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truthislight: which truth?

Are you trying to justify why catholic priest are homosexual?

yes it means exactly that,
That it is according to nature.
how unreasonable of you.
that it is a default in creation/design.
Justifying the practice.

moredendisc: @Goshen360

My brother you are teacher . . .

Don't put the cart before the horse, so teach with explanations

How can you dive straight into Justification without tackling Justice or Just first

Just, this essence of God is a key ingredient to understanding Justification and all/any intricacies that surrounds it

Understanding justice or God's position as a Just God paves the way to appreciate the dynamics of Justification, the evolution, the process, the importance and the run of it

Why does one need to be declared right before the Lord? (i.e. be pardoned and cleared of any violation)

How did God go about making this a reality or go about making it possible?

If intending to guide the thought, then I believe this path should be thread first . . .

Goshen360: Okay. We will begin digging this subject of Justification this week. Are y'all ready. I can see our brother moredendisc and Ihedinobi warming up with our sister ATMC, getting ready to jump in. Y'all welcome. First, we need to understand what justification means or is, then we can fly. Justification is NOT sanctification and NOT Glorification. All three are distinct one from the other. The question that then follow AFTER understand what each means is, how are we justified?

Justification is a legal declaration of being declared not guilty. It is a pronouncement of being cleared the guilt. When one is justified, he is declared right before the Lord; he is pardoned and cleared of any violation. It speaks of a declaration that gives us, Christians a right standing before God. It is a one time event involving an imputed righteousness of Christ in which we, although we are sinners, are pronounced "not guilty" of sin as in a court of law. We are cleared of any charges against us. Christ's sacrifice means he was punished in our place, satisfying the demands of the law, and God's justice upon sin.

New International Version (©1984)
Therefore, since we have been justifIED through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, - Romans 5:1

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Much more then, being now justifIED by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. - Romans 5:9

Sanctification on the other hand, is a continuous process that conforms us through the work of the Holy Spirit into the image of Christ whereby we separate ourselves unto Christ's service. Sanctification commences with our justification. Hence, the fruit of the Spirit is evidence in our sanctification.

New International Version (©1984)
But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. - 2 thess. 2:13
Glorification. This is the completion of our Christian life on earth, at the end of the sanctification process and occurs when we get to Heaven. The completion of our Christian walk IN Christ is to be glorified, which is the end result of our salvation and it is future glory of the believer IN Christ.

New International Version (©1984)
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
New Living Translation (©2007)
And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory. - Romans 8:30

metti: slowpoke that is what you are! Have you people not equate Mary to Jesus Christ by praying to God thru her when the bible clearly states that you should pray thru Jesus Chrit? You slow poke!!! Useless eeediot like you. Un employed braggard!

metti: So you don't understand what I meant by starting my sentence with indeed? That is to tell you I disagree with you.

prettyirene: I was born into a catholic family, immediately my dad died at my tender age, we left the catholic church. My point is that I have gone round and the truth is that there is power in the catholic church, the catholic church prepares you whole I.e physically, spritually and mentally. How many pentecostal church provide affordable schools,healthcare for their members and even when they do, it's so expensive that even their members cannot afford. I'm married now to a non catholic but I still attend the catholic church. The church teaches you how to pray round the clock. Going to mass, saying your rosary, the angelus, divine mercy prayer every 3pm, and reading the scriptures. Seeking intercessory prayers thru your patron saints like ST Rita (saint of the impossible) and st Homobonus (patron saint for business owners). Spirituality is personal I find spiritual fulfilment in the catholic church. Like I said earlier on I HAVE Seen it all. You name it Redeem,MFM, anglican. None like the CATHOLIC FAITH

frosbel2: Yes Bro ( Did I just call you Bro ) !
There are those who are really doing the work of GOD with all their hearts and minds, with no desire for material gain or wealth, we MUST and should support such, not through tithes but gifts and financial support.
We agree !

frosbel2: The Pastor needs to get a JOB, Paul worked etc.

The Church is not a welfare state for just anybody, it is to meet the needs of the needy , not the rich.

violent: In my experience, since i landed in Oyinbo land, I haven't been to a single church where tithing is preached, which is why you see all dem Oyinbo are living in Poverty and poor health because they refuse to part with a tenth of their earnings. Compare that with what applies in my homeland, where tithing is aggressively preached and the people of God prospereth in abundant wealth, and health. Hallelujah somebady!!!!

For those of you who for one reason or the other are unable to make it to church on Sundays, you can be forgiven for this, but just so you don't miss out on the opportunity to bring a tenth of your offerings to the Lord, I will be setting up an e-payment account where you could forward your payments for onward passage to the Lord of Hosts. Can i get a "humm humm humm humm"? Can i get an amen somebaddy!!!!

Do not ignore this message!! Remember, the Lord has promised and He will do it, can i get an Amen Somebaddy!! He said, he shall open up the gates of heaven and pour our blessings. Somebaddy say "POUR"!!! say "POUR". Yes, yesss, i can feel it!!!

violent: In my experience, since i landed in Oyinbo land, I haven't been to a single church where tithing is preached, which is why you see all dem Oyinbo are living in Poverty and poor health because they refuse to part with a tenth of their earnings. Compare that with what applies in my homeland, where tithing is aggressively preached and the people of God prospereth in abundant wealth, and health. Hallelujah somebady!!!!

For those of you who for one reason or the other are unable to make it to church on Sundays, you can be forgiven for this, but just so you don't miss out on the opportunity to bring a tenth of your offerings to the Lord, I will be setting up an e-payment account where you could forward your payments for onward passage to the Lord of Hosts. Can i get a "humm humm humm humm"? Can i get an amen somebaddy!!!!

Do not ignore this message!! Remember, the Lord has promised and He will do it, can i get an Amen Somebaddy!! He said, he shall open up the gates of heaven and pour our blessings. Somebaddy say "POUR"!!! say "POUR". Yes, yesss, i can feel it!!!

metti:
Look at you, why won't you prohibit it? The question has thrown you off balance. Indeed, in God there is no dead. Your Bible knowledge must be very poor please up grade it!!!!

blocker: If you are looking for trinity,christmas, easter Reverend or even 25th December then you will be missing the mark because we Catholics are guided by the traditions as handed by the Apostles the bible (compiled 300 years after the death of Christ)only confirms what the Church teaches. If you say there is no Trinity because it wasn't found in the bible then you would equally wonder why Jesus did not hold a bible when preaching or from the bible (which you say is your only authority)proove that Jesus wrote a page or book while on earth or proove that Jesus said we can learn all his teachings in a single book (written by different men, written in more than 6 languages by men who lived hundreds of years apart such as Moses and Paul) bound by many chapters 300 years after the death of Christ(compiled by the Roman Catholic Church). For the records even historians studying the world's religions (including protestants)will tell you in over 2000 years the teachings of the Catholic Church has not changed.Trinity may not be written in the bible but Catholics are not alone in this belief (see the Apostles creed prayer also said by Anglicans, Methodists and Presbyterians). The belief in the holy written is based on faith not literal written proof because it is a mystery.

Richieboyn: R u trying to say Mary is not alive? Ehya sorry oo..... Itz a pity u don't have sense @all. D pastors u run to are human beings. My blessed Virgin mother is now a heavenly being, no more flesh and blood.

Vado: Thank you bro for educating them. God's explicit words of no graven images is so clear. Disobidience in that regard spells nothing but spiritual condemnation even it was meant to glorify or please Christ or Jehova himself.

I'm even more puzzled by the fact that even the catholic or any other church for that matter can't prove what Jesus or Mary actually looked like with all these images. They just mold a human with a meek-looking appearance and start bowing to such as a mark of respect. Good intention I must say but it's still idolatry because those things are made of mere mortals. Relationship with God through Jesus is spiritually based. All these images, symbolism like crucifix, rosary etc to me are off no importance to attaining spiritual righteousness.

Mary was a normal human like every other mothers out there. Her chasteness and the need for Christ to come in that era and in human form neccessitated her being chosen. This doesn't mean there are no women as pure as she was in this present day. If the first-coming of Christ was meant to be in this century for instance, another Mary would have been chosen to serve as a pathway.

And in re-enforcing what someone said earlier, the only church is the body of Christ which all born-again christians are parts of. Ain't nuffin like a mother church just as there's nothing like a mother-heaven or mini-hell.

Keneking: I think the new Pope shall be Pope John Paul III

thelastPope: I will leave you to enjoy your thread, not because of your empty threats since this is a public forum, but so you can enjoy your euphoria. lol. Just try and read your bible to find out the truth for yourself, not something you are told.

nugeseda: There is actually a BLACK POPE not because he is black but he wear black cassock and he is in reality the supreme head of the Vatican but hidden from the public view. He is like an executive president with full executive powers while the WHITE POPE who wears white cassock is like a prime minister but fully subjective to the black pope.

Boomark: ^Christ is not an enemy of the church he rebuked in revelation. Paul is not an enemy to Peter he rebuked. Boomark is not an enemy to catholics he rebuke. I speak against idol worship.

@ubenedictus

You don't fellowship with God you worship Him. You only fellowship with fellow servants.

In the land of Cana, during the wedding, Mary went to people that are ignorant of Christ and told them to go to Christ and do as he command them, Jn 2:5.

She received nothing on their behalf but they, who do not know Christ were sent to him by Mary for them to have a personal relationship with him and get to know the Son of God.

It is erroneous and embarrassing for a Christian to base his doctrine on one act of ignorance found in the bible.

shout protestant from now till tomorrow it will not help you. Start learning your fatal errors from the protestants. Humility in this regard will lead you to Christ and what he wants.

This is a teaching, not a fight.

thelastPope: You mean a list from the roman catholic? Is the list from the bible? Was there any such reference from the bible? Were christians ever leaders in society or people hunted because of their beliefs?

The dark ages ended with the renaisance which was heavily triggered by martin luther's translation of portions of the bible to the german language. That isn't myth. It is fact. It was a crime to read the scriptures during those dark ages of history. It was a sin against the roman catholic institution to print the bible. King james printed the bible in total defiance to the roman catholic with the help of the puritans. These are historical facts you can't fault no matter how much you try. Martin luther was dealt with for writing his 99 thesis and standing against rome which caused a big riot in germany that spread accross Europe. That was the begining of the renaisance. Christians were murdered and hunted for centuries by rome. The spanish inquisition and many other crusades litter history. You want me to go on?

I am not necessarily against you practising your roman catholic religion but you equate it to the same thing handed over by the Lord Jesus when it is not. Most of what you practise is direct opposite of scriptures. But you are free to do your thing.

metti: Prophets or pastors whatever! Answer my question, can a dead person pray for you

metti: Where is it in the Bible that Mary should pray for you?
The Bible say if you are sick or in need of prayers you can seek the help of Prophets. Where is yours written?
By the way how can a dead person pray for you??

thelastPope: The pope is he emperor of the roman empire who woke up one day and claimed he is now the head of the church. Jesus nor his disciples never created such a position. No one can take the place of Christ. He is the head and everyone else who have received him as Lord and savior is a member of the body. You are free to believe what you believe but it is not from Jesus or Peter or any of the apostles. Nero was the first pope.

thelastPope: Neither Peter nor any of the apostles were catholic. They were actually hunted and killed by the catholics/romans. Emperor Nero was the first pope. He merged the church and state to destroy christianity. The catholics only claim peter was the first pope to try and give it legitimacy. During the early reign of the catholic church, it was a crime punishable by death to read the scriptures. You were only permitted to read the cathecism. Martin luther was the first to translate the scriptures for public consumtion. The disciples and apostles were hounded for centuries by the catholic church. The history is there in the open.

okpara ugo: This linus, was he the bishop at Rome, because at this time paul wrote 2nd timothy, timothy was Bishop of the Ephesians.

Why was it rome that killed Paul? Was the church in Rome under persecution from Nero or they supported Paul's death?

okpara ugo: And they havent shown me a verse of the bible which supports honouring mary.

Jesus told peter to feed his sheep b4 goin to heaven but never called him pope so i dont have any problem with that.

For me, the most important thing is to make heaven and hear Christ say to me ''well done thou good and faithful servant'' and not all these religiousity.

metti: Why do you ask Mary to pray and hear your prayers? The Bible says there is only one mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ.

ijawkid: Did I just see you post peter as the first pope??...permit me to ask which peter.....was it the peter that was with Jesus and the other apostles or some other anonymous peter??............did the apostles or the scriptures mention any fellow like LINUS the purported successor of peter??....abeg make ona help me o........

metti:
You honour Mary and not God! Sorry for all of you.