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Emmanystone:
Shouldn't you drop scriptures to back up your claims? Its not celibacy, but celibacy of the priesthood. I'm celibate, am not a catholic.

you never dropped source materials in making your own claims, why should I be held to a higher standard of proof than you?


celibacy is allowed for all classes of Catholics both priest and none priests, marriage too is contracted by Catholics whether priests or none priests.

but the beautiful thing is that the Bible teaches that the best state that can be chosen in serving God is the celibate state... celibacy is the better state if one wishes to serve God, it is a preferred state, that is biblical.



1 cor 7:32
I want you to be free from anxieties. The
unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the
Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married
man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how
to please his wife, and his interests are
divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin
are anxious about the affairs of the Lord, so that
they may be holy in body and spirit; but the
married woman is anxious about the affairs of the
world, how to please her husband. I say this
for your own benefit, not to put any restraint upon
you, but to promote good order and unhindered
devotion to the Lord.

the most beneficial state according to scripture is the unmarried state and it is cherished as such by the Catholic Church while we have married priests celibacy is still a preferred state in service of God.


this is what Paul taught and the Early Christians immediately took up that teaching as their writing bear witness thus making celibacy a distinct Christian practice especially for priests and virgins.

funny enough even though celibacy is a distinct Christian practice it actually has Jewish roots if you read up the early Church, continence and celibacy went hand in hand.

myproperty:
I am crying about the murdering of people caused and initiated by the catholic church.

Let those that never knew just Google the horror of the catholic church. See the number of Christians this church killed in 1200years

what about the murder initiated by the Protestant churches?

also remember to research the horrors of the Protestant churches and how you guys killed even more.

CandidSeeker:
Luke 24:27, 44 NKJV
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

Amen

Ferisidowu:
of course that's true sir....

I will watch the video very soon sir

start for 14mins, thats when the stuff on old and new come in

brocab:
In which way would you prefer is the best way I should be searching? I do see-and I can read what your Church claims you are taught-you claim you are bible teaching students, 9 inches claims the bible isn't enough to know Christ.
So which is it?
You could be one person out of the billions of Catholic's there is on this planet, that actually believes in Catholic teaching, you could be that only person who obeys their every command-and you could know the bible upside down, but the truth is-your belief's are not spirit filled teachings, just like 9 inches a born Church believer, he/she had never heard from God, and every time I have asked this same question, none of you-have heard a whisper of the Holy spirit that teaches us through the Word of God.
You can only see me picking on your Church-but you can't see me, learning, since I have been around on this forum I have been learning about the differences we all have, and how, it is important to walk with God-know God, and why?
So it isn't condemning it's a sole interest-to know how the bible describes the world and its end time prophesies, sadly to you, but in righteous, the New World Order Church is falling into place, just the way Christ had said it will happen.

you are condemning from hearsay... you just go to your Protestant sites and copy whatever is there and imaging they are correct about Catholicism simply because they are Protestants. if you wish to condemn the Catholic Church as you have certainly been doing, then the least you can do is start to read up what Catholics believe.

start here http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
Start from the beginning and condemn if you must.


9ince never said one can't know of Jesus through the Bible, instead he has taught you the biblical teaching that the fullness of the Christian revelation is found in the Bible and the apostolic tradition as it clear in 2 thess.


lastly I happen to know a lot of Catholics who also believe rightly and practices rightly and I an convinced that 9ince is such.

I too have heard from God's holy spirit, he has spoken to me through scripture, through the apostolic tradition, through the Church Jesus established, in my heart, in worship and through my daily circumstances. not just through the Bible alone.

lastly you Protestant didn't begin eschatology, it has always been there.

Emmanystone:
No. It's not. It's Hellenistic. The kind of Prieathood Catholicism practices is Hellenistic. Celibacy in Priesthood is Hellenistic not Biblical.

no sir, the priesthood the Church practices is Christian..

celibacy is itself a Christian thing even though it is also found among some jews,.

Hiswordxray:
Of course no, they are not heretic. But let not forget the fact that no man is perfect.

no man is perfect but did the entire Christian Church immediately and in everywhere fall into heresy? did Jesus fail in his promise to be with his Church or did the Holy spirit fail.


I can understand individuals failing, but to agree with the current Protestant teachings you have to believe the whole Church, everyone, for 1500 years were heretics.

Hiswordxray:
Of course no, they are not heretic. But let not forget the fact that no man is perfect.

The issue is not perfection, the issue is truth.

the early Christians were those taught by the apostles and their closest disciples, they weren't insincere people but Christians in the truest sense of the word. They transmitted the Christian faith as clearly as they received it and they (many times unanimously) teach the truth as clearly as they had received it.... I think it is a pity that the modern day Protestant thinks that faith which the early Christians bear witness to as apostolic and which was believed everywhere is now considered heresy in Protestantism.



if for 1500years the entire Christian Church was all wrong, then it makes me wonder if the Protestant believe that the holy spirit started working in the 16th century.

if the Spirit has always been at work in the Church then, it is the modern Protestant who has perverted the word of God with his own personal interpretation.

friendlyadvice:
Gbagaun

. 2 Timothy 2:23-24 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments , because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Emmanystone:
Sir, the Pope practiced Hellenism and Hellenism is far from Christianity. The celibacy of priesthood is not Jewish but Hellenistic.

celibacy isn't particularly Jewish except among the Essene but its certainly Christian

Ferisidowu:
thanks a lot....


some take it as a Thorn in their flesh, tell them about something and they quickly scream " that's old testament"

the old testament is pretty important to me and part of how I interpret scriptures, the old testament is the context with which I read the new.


maybe this will give you an idea of how I learnt the old testament, watch past the introduction part.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67WmIGLPvEM&fulldescription=1&hl=en&gl=NG&client=mv-google

brocab:
Uben you may not see me learning about the Catholic Church-but the truth is, I am learning about the Church, maybe it isn't the way you expected me to learn-but I am learning..
Uben the net is full of stuff-you may not like what people are saying about your Church-but it's the Church people don't agree upon, they say things about my Church too, Uben it's not the Church building I am concerned about. it's the idolatry in the teaching-and why teach against Christ-when the Church is Christ, not the building, not the people first, but Christ first.
Sometimes we all have that habit, bringing something, other then Christ to the altar, something that we feel is more important to us-but we brought nothing into this world-and surely we won't be taken it out, after we die.
It's Idolatry: against Christ-Paul describes the origin of idolatry in {Romans 1:21-25}
So don't walk away feeling like someone had ripped your heart out, we cant expect people to agree with any Church-I don't look at this, as an insult, I see an awakening on both sides of the fence-either on the inside or on the outside-you can't expect everybody to bow down to Catholicism-this isn't about which Church building stood up the longest, Christ is the head of the body-and the body is the people, without the people there's nothing to be pride off.
Heaven and Earth will pass away, but His Word will always stay.

you claim to be learning, but of course your sole interest is to find a way to condemn.

you'll only look for whatever confirms your bias.

myproperty:
Why won't you lie. You want to change history.

there is no lies there.
if you think I lied point it out

friendlyadvice:
this one is comparing protestant to child rapist im sure you are a victim who liked his experience

oya you have won, you have accused someone you don't know and called him a something unnameable, you have won, you are the best.


2 Timothy 2:16

However, avoid
pointless discussions. For people will
become more and more ungodly.


. 2 Timothy 2:23-24 Don’t have
anything to do with foolish and stupid
arguments , because you know they
produce quarrels. And the Lord’s
servant must not be quarrelsome but
must be kind to everyone, able to teach,
not resentful.

HRHQueenPhil:
a catholic fast for full 40 days, mixed with intense prayer and almsgiving? dat one na explosion of blessings, pls try and do it, works in d pentecostal churches, urs wont be diferent. remeber 2 pray for others not just urself. congratulations in advance

Amen, you can join us in the fast

biggz82:
With the ASH for dia head Dem go still go Bleep today

talk weytin you know

Hiswordxray:
I have read the New Testament, Paul, Ignatius, Polycarp, Eusebius and others. Are these not early Christians, although Eusebius is much later but he gave one of the most early and detailed history of early Christianity.

so you read them and consider them heretics like some others do?


do you share in their faith?

paxonel:
To canonize saints are not the ways of pentecostals Catholics should also accept that.
To pentecostals, Saint Valentine is seen as one good man who lived in the past whose legacy should be emulated just like Apostles Peter, Paul and Stephen and nothing more

you guys are happy to celebrate a good man worthy of emulation but you are the first to criticize Catholics for declaring a person good and worthy of emulation.

its either inconsistency or hypocrisy or you guys just love criticising Catholics

myproperty:
Hmmm. You don't even know the history of your church and you talking others. Go and find out about your church first before coming online and condemning others because they are not catholic. Am I surprise? No! Why? So it happens when people have contrary view on the catholic church in time past they have to be killed and burnt. Yes killed. Go find out what the church did to Jan Hus a Czech priest, go find out what they did to Tyndale. The horror the church committed in the days of the catholic inquisition. The number of matyrs the church killed. Martin Luther escaped it after many attempts attempts (thanks to then king of Germany who gave him protection) go and read and know the history of your church first.

Tyndale was killed by Protestants under Henry viii, Jan Hus was condemned for heresy by the Catholic Church but was delivered to the state, the state sentenced him and executed him according to the law.


what are you crying about?

friendlyadvice:
ask your f@ggot priests

turns out his priest isn't a bigoted Protestant

transformed:
Stalin killed between 20-60 million in about 10 years, while Catholic church killed less than 5000 heretics in 200 years. Hitler's NAZI party is a communist party...Penticostals killed zero because of their believe so far

and Protestants killed 57,000 Catholics in 12 years

Amen to that

bloodofthelamb:
After those dates set according to your tradition for their remembrance, what next? You forget them and the source of their exploit.

did anyone tell you this or you just assumed it?

superhumanist:
Lawyers are not expected to be moral. Preists are

the question is about laws, the law protect privileged information and the priest in the confessional is privileged information.

secondary it is immoral for a priest to go about revealing the sins their congregation confessed to God in their presence, it is also a crime punished by excommunication.

it is morally imperative to keep privileged information as privileged.

ikorodureporta:
u know i'm ref to this portion Matt6v16-18....

ash in itself doesn't mean anyone is fasting, that passage is against showing you are fasting etc. ash is a sign of repentance and there is nothing in scriptures that says repentance shouldn't be shown

ikorodureporta:
my point is....d bible cndemns going about with ashes...be it for the first day or all through. Why do you guyz walk around the streets with the ashes? U'r supposed to wipe it off. Dnt announce to all that you are fasting

the Bible doesn't condemn going about with ash, when a city proclaim repentance the Bible show they go about with ash


Ezekiel 27:30
And they will make their voice heard over you And will
cry bitterly They will cast dust on their heads, They will
wallow in ashes.
Ashes » Repenting in
Job 42:6
Therefore I retract, And I repent in dust and ashes."
Daniel 9:3
So I gave my attention to the Lord God to seek Him by
prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth and
ashes.
Jonah 3:6
When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose
from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered
himself with sackcloth and sat on the ashes.
Matthew 11:21
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if
the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which
occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in
sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 10:13
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if
the miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon
which occurred in you, they would have repented long
ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

petra1:
If you don’t know the answer just leave it

lol, you ask a silly question, the apostles were not biological brothers of Jesus so your question is non seqitur

Syncan:
Thanks Ubenedictus.
A grace filled lent to us all, dear brethren.

ure welcome

INDUSTRIALFAN:
nothing o...

the is no such thing as a stay at home Catholic.

this is Lent, make it part of lent to begin going to Church again

Syncan:
In the universal Church, St Paul actually has two days, January 25th and June 29th. St Peter is remembered on three at least, February 22, June 29 and November 18.

So, calm down.

thanks syncan.

the Mata just tire me

FriendofGod:
Both the Catholic Church and the other churches are false churches. The Catholic Church is the Whoree of Babylon mentioned in the Book of Revelation and it is a pity that the traditions of the evil Catholic Church is what is called Christianity today. Your Church has turned the Bible on its head and sadly the rest of the Christian world follows sheepishly.

and yet you go about preaching Calvinism