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in the law of evidence , a privilege is a rule of evidence that allows the holder of the privilege to refuse to disclose information or provide evidence about a certain subject or to bar such evidence from being disclosed or used in a judicial or other proceeding. There are a large number of such privileges recognised by the judicial system, some stemming from the common law and others from statute law. Each privilege has its own rules, which often vary between jurisdictions.
The effect of the privilege is usually a right on the part of a party or witness to a case, allowing them to refuse to produce evidence in the form of documents or testimony from the person entitled to the privilege. For example, a person can generally prevent their attorney testifying about the legal relationship between attorney and client, even if the attorney were willing to do so. In this case the privilege belongs to the client and not the attorney.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(evidence)

The clergy–penitent privilege , clergy privilege , confessional privilege , priest–penitent privilege , clergyman–communicant privilege , or ecclesiastical privilege is a rule of evidence that forbids judicial inquiry into certain communications (spoken or otherwise) between clergy and members of their congregation. The law recognises certain communication as privileged and not subject to otherwise obligatory disclosure; for example, this often applies to communications between lawyers and clients. In many jurisdictions certain communications between a member of the clergy of some or all religious faiths (e.g., a minister, priest, rabbi, imam) and a person consulting them in confidence are privileged in law. In particular, Catholics are required to confess sins to priests, who are unconditionally forbidden by Church canon law from making any disclosure, [1] a position supported by the law of many countries, although in conflict with civil law in some jurisdictions. [1] It is a distinct concept from that of confidentiality (see non-disclosure agreement). The protection of the clergy–penitent privilege relationships rests on one of the more basic privileges as strong or stronger than the similar clauses to confidentiality between lawyer and client.
According to former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, Warren Burger, "The clergy privilege is rooted in the imperative need for confidence and trust. The... privilege recognizes the human need to disclose to a spiritual counselor, in total and absolute confidence, what are believed to be flawed acts or thoughts and to receive consolations and guidance in return." [6] A pastor has a duty to hold in confidence any information obtained during a counseling session. A pastor who violates this trust might be on the losing end of a suit for an invasion of privacy or defamation. [7]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest–penitent_privilege_in_the_UK

superhumanist:
Mr man, here is the Guardian title in bold:

Melbourne archbishop says he'd rather go to jail than report child abuse heard in confession


And it is a fact. Why would one allow a child molester to go scott free?

the guardian clearly adds "in confession" which is absent from the op, the guardian also quotes the bishop correctly and the op doesn't.



of course a criminal should not go unpunished but the Church is not an arm of the police nor is privileged information a place to go snooping. the law doesn't require lawyers to report the crimes of their client nor should priests be forced to report sins penitent confessed to God that is privileged information, gat it?

bloodofthelamb:
Where and when is saint Paul's day and saint Peter's day? Or,don't you think they deserve a day as well?

"It is well with your understanding."

st Paul and Peter are remembered on the 29 of June, Philip and James on 3 may, Simon and Jude on October 28 Bartholomew on August 24, Andrew on November 30, Thomas July 3. Mark 25 of April etc



it is indeed well with my understanding, I hope the same is true for yours

INDUSTRIALFAN:
lol... I'm waiting to see how this pans out.... PROUDLY CATHOLIC (though it's been a while I went to church)...

weytin do u, y u Neva go Church

bloodofthelamb:
The scripture says remember your leaders, not
celebrate them and map out a day for them.
It also says we should imitate their faith. The question
should be what is their faith?
Clearly from scripture we know that Jesus Christ is their
faith and also our faith today. I celebrate and thank
Jesus Christ for the life of Paul, Peter, John and all the
genuine leaders of the body of CHRIST.
Because all what they did was done through the Spirit
of Jesus

in case you are ignorant,
1. Valentine day is a day of remembrance in the Catholic Church not a celebration, and even if I map a day to remember them, that still isn't wrong.
2. it is both their faith, their conduct and the outcome of their life the we imitate just as Valentine believed in Jesus, preach the gospel and served the Church admist persecution and died for Christ.
that too was done in the holy spirit and worth remembering as scriptures say

superhumanist:
I have always known you to be a SLAVE of the catholic church. Here is a reputable source;

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession



In past times, you would have been a crusader.

and even in the present time Protestants still engage in subtle lies.

this is what the guardian recorded the bishop saying


“I believe [confession] is an
absolute sacrosanct
communication of a higher
order that priests by nature
respect,” Hart said on Tuesday
morning.
“We are admitting a
communication with God is of
a higher order,” he said. “It is a sacred trust. It’s
something those who are not Catholics find hard to
understand but we believe it is most, most sacred
and it’s very much part of us.”


whereas you guys went and LIED about it saying the he said

Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual
encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a
higher order” than criminal law.


can you see the lies and fake news or has bias blinded you

for those who wish to know the real news.

the issue is about Catholic confession, Australia wants to make a new law to force Catholic priest to report whatever they hear in confession. all over the world the confession in the Catholic Church is a privilege information under law and cannot be reported to anyone else. Australia wants to change that and the Catholic Church both bishop and priest have made it clear that such law will not be allowed or obeyed.


https://epicpew.com/archbishop-denis-hart-confession-seal/

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession


as you can see the bishop didn't say
Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual
encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a
higher order” than criminal law.

as falsely reported above,
he said

Hart insisted that confession was “a spiritual
encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a
higher order” than criminal law.

adescopy:
we are just killing this fate if ours with all types of doctrines that are not biblical. Na wa.

so who told you everything done in the Church must be explicitly written in the Bible.


besides if you had bothered to research about the Catholic sacrament of matrimony you would have been surprised how biblical it is.

but instead you took a learning opportunity and used it to criticise something you clearly don't understand.

superhumanist:
Ubenedictus, italo,

Come and see your crazy clergy

you are so quick to judge, you didn't even realise that this is fake news and no reputable news agency carried this bogus story

From a letter to the Corinthians by Saint Clement, pope


Repent


Let us fix our attention on the blood of Christ and recognise how precious it is to God his Father, since it was shed for our salvation and brought the grace of repentance to all the world.
If we review the various ages of history, we will see that in every generation the Lord has offered the opportunity of repentance to any who were willing to turn to him. When Noah preached God’s message of repentance, all who listened to him were saved. Jonah told the Ninevites they were going to be destroyed, but when they repented, their prayers gained God’s forgiveness for their sins, and they were saved, even though they were not of God’s people.
Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the ministers of God’s grace have spoken of repentance; indeed, the Master of the whole universe himself spoke of repentance with an oath: As I live, says the Lord, I do not wish the death of the sinner but his repentance. He added this evidence of his goodness: House of Israel, repent of your wickedness. Tell the sons of my people: If their sins should reach from earth to heaven, if they are brighter than scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, you need only turn to me with your whole heart and say, “Father,” and I will listen to you as a holy people.
In other words, God wanted all his beloved ones to have the opportunity to repent and he confirmed this desire by his own almighty will. That is why we should obey his sovereign and glorious will and prayerfully entreat his mercy and kindness. We should be suppliant before him and turn to his compassion, rejecting empty works and quarrelling and jealousy which only lead to death.
Brothers, we should be humble in mind, putting aside all arrogance, pride and foolish anger. Rather, we should act in accordance with the Scriptures, as the Holy Spirit says: The wise man must not glory in his wisdom nor the strong man in his strength nor the rich man in his riches. Rather, let him who glories glory in the Lord by seeking him and doing what is right and just. Recall especially what the Lord Jesus said when he taught gentleness and forbearance. Be merciful, he said, so that you may have mercy shown to you. Forgive, so that you may be forgiven. As you treat others, so you will be treated. As you give, so you will receive. As you judge, so you will be judged. As you are kind to others, so you will be treated kindly. The measure of your giving will be the measure of your receiving.
Let these commandments and precepts strengthen us to live in humble obedience to his sacred words. As Scripture asks: Whom shall I look upon with favour except the humble, peaceful man who trembles at my words?
Sharing then in the heritage of so many vast and glorious achievements, let us hasten toward the goal of peace, set before us from the beginning. Let us keep our eyes firmly fixed on the Father and Creator of the whole universe, and hold fast to his splendid and transcendent gifts of peace and all his blessings.

petra1:
So who is James the less or James the righteous . If he wasn’t a biological brother of christ how did he become an apostle

are all apostles now biological brothers of Jesus? which kind question be that?

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:





2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):





3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):






Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

see simple request is now looking like impossibility.

I know I had promised to summarize but today is ash Wednesday...



From a letter to the Corinthians by Saint Clement, pope


Repent

Let us fix our attention on the blood of Christ and recognise how precious it is to God his Father, since it was shed for our salvation and brought the grace of repentance to all the world.

  If we review the various ages of history, we will see that in every generation the Lord has offered the opportunity of repentance to any who were willing to turn to him. When Noah preached God’s message of repentance, all who listened to him were saved. Jonah told the Ninevites they were going to be destroyed, but when they repented, their prayers gained God’s forgiveness for their sins, and they were saved, even though they were not of God’s people.

  Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the ministers of God’s grace have spoken of repentance; indeed, the Master of the whole universe himself spoke of repentance with an oath: As I live,says the Lord, I do not wish the death of the sinner but his repentance. He added this evidence of his goodness: House of Israel, repent of your wickedness. Tell the sons of my people: If their sins should reach from earth to heaven, if they are brighter than scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, you need only turn to me with your whole heart and say, “Father,” and I will listen to you as a holy people.

  In other words, God wanted all his beloved ones to have the opportunity to repent and he confirmed this desire by his own almighty will. That is why we should obey his sovereign and glorious will and prayerfully entreat his mercy and kindness. We should be suppliant before him and turn to his compassion, rejecting empty works and quarrelling and jealousy which only lead to death.

  Brothers, we should be humble in mind, putting aside all arrogance, pride and foolish anger. Rather, we should act in accordance with the Scriptures, as the Holy Spirit says:The wise man must not glory in his wisdom nor the strong man in his strength nor the rich man in his riches. Rather, let him who glories glory in the Lord by seeking him and doing what is right and just. Recall especially what the Lord Jesus said when he taught gentleness and forbearance.Be merciful, he said, so that you may have mercy shown to you. Forgive, so that you may be forgiven. As you treat others, so you will be treated. As you give, so you will receive. As you judge, so you will be judged. As you are kind to others, so you will be treated kindly. The measure of your giving will be the measure of your receiving.

  Let these commandments and precepts strengthen us to live in humble obedience to his sacred words. As Scripture asks:Whom shall I look upon with favour except the humble, peaceful man who trembles at my words?

  Sharing then in the heritage of so many vast and glorious achievements, let us hasten toward the goal of peace, set before us from the beginning. Let us keep our eyes firmly fixed on the Father and Creator of the whole universe, and hold fast to his splendid and transcendent gifts of peace and all his blessings.



have a grace-filled Lent

Isaiah 58:1-12 Shout for all you are worth, raise your voice like a trumpet. Proclaim their faults to my people, their sins to the House of Jacob. They seek me day after day, they long to know my ways, like a nation that wants to act with integrity and not ignore the law of its God. They ask me for laws that are just, they long for God to draw near: ‘Why should we fast if you never see it, why do penance if you never notice?’ Look, you do business on your fast-days, you oppress all your workmen; look, you quarrel and squabble when you fast and strike the poor man with your fist. Fasting like yours today will never make your voice heard on high. Is that the sort of fast that pleases me, a truly penitential day for men? Hanging your head like a reed, lying down on sackcloth and ashes? Is that what you call fasting, a day acceptable to the Lord? Is not this the sort of fast that pleases me – it is the Lord who speaks – to break unjust fetters and undo the thongs of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke, to share your bread with the hungry, and shelter the homeless poor, to clothe the man you see to be naked and not turn from your own kin? Then will your light shine like the dawn and your wound be quickly healed over. Your integrity will go before you and the glory of the Lord behind you. Cry, and the Lord will answer; call, and he will say, ‘I am here.’ If you do away with the yoke, the clenched fist, the wicked word, if you give your bread to the hungry, and relief to the oppressed, your light will rise in the darkness, and your shadows become like noon. The Lord will always guide you, giving you relief in desert places. He will give strength to your bones and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water whose waters never run dry. You will rebuild the ancient ruins, build up on the old foundations. You will be called ‘Breach-mender’, ‘Restorer of ruined houses.’

HEB 13:7



Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God
to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and
imitate their faith.


Valentine was a Christian leader who spoke God's word by both words and example, even unto martyrdom, it is biblical to remember him, to consider his life and its outcome and imitate his faith.

in fact all ancient Christian Churches follow this biblical practice of daily remembering their leaders and the outcome of their life, that is why all ancient and early churches have memorial for the apostles, the martyrs and all who have lived heroic Christian lives while witnessing to the gospel.

there is nothing wrong or anti-biblical in that, the fact that your new Church doesn't practice such memorial doesn't give you an excuse to criticize it, Christianity and the church didn't begin in the 19th century.


if you know anyone who uses a martyrs memorial as an excuse to commit iniquity, caution that person and remind him Valentine didn't practice such, don't use someone else sin as an excuse to condemn people doing something good.


besides today is ash Wednesday so no Valentine day.

linearity:
Dude,

Which church dem dey for pay ushers and choir people?

Contrary to your assertions, Holy water aka miracle water and holy oil has been commercialized, I don’t want to name churches, but if you are in 9ja you will agree to that.

God’s blessings and sacrament suppose to be free. Also remember that these practices started recently, even in 9ja....10 years ago no church charges for these things....did God change?

for Catholic Church u pay choir and usher and mass servers during weddings and burials... it is usually small but u are supposed to give a stipend.

Catholic doesn't commercialise holy water and oil.

the issue of giving a small stipend isn't recent with Catholics, it is a sign of appreciation and fulfill the biblical injunction the a labourer deserve his wage.

menix:
Well may be u practice urs outside Nigeria...

Catholicism is one, whether in Jerusalem Or Rome or Greece or Gabon, the teachings are same, the practices are both diverse and united.


a Catholic in Jerusalem is a Catholic in Nigeria, one Lord one Church one baptism one faith

menix:
So where in the bible did the Roman Catholic worship abi adore Mary

Which is d pillar of ur doctrine...

to adore Mary is a sin in Catholicism, Catholics are forbidden from adoring anyone or thing that isn't God.


the pillar of Catholic doctrine is Jesus.



my dear, try to make research about what people believe before you start condemning them, to condemn in ignorance is uncharitable

Andrewgame42:
So you mock people according to their wealth and popularity status

Have sense na

no dear, I don't mock people, but I challenge men of the cloth to live out there calling. don't get rich off other peoples offering, and par adventure u do, u the wealth to serve not flant it on things that aren't even needed

louiziana:
Let's call a spade a spade. Why are people swerving from the main point? Would Jesus Christ and disciples charge money for family harvest and baptism? Same man that we believe fed 5,000 people without collecting offering from them? Who is the role model of these pastors?

the same Bible were it is written that the pastor deserve his wages

there is nothing like holy water and holy oil there don't start making stuff up...

linearity:
Lots of biggie here!

This is pure commercialization of the church, the same type of commerce that Jesus angrily drove out of church.

Baptism - N500
Marriage - N5000
Confirmation -N600
Harvest - N10000
Holy Water - N1000
Holy Oil - N2000

That is what I expect to see on an ecommerce website or App not a church’s.

I wonder how much Jesus paid John The Baptist, be he agreed to baptize him...wait, let me search for it in my Bible...in case am slow and you came upon the passage be me, please post it under...

as you can see the money for baptism and confirmation are small on purpose, these are sacraments and the Church doesn't commercialise them. but there is a stipend attached to them even though it is small, it is based on the biblical principle that a labourer deserve his wages if u are poor you don't pay.

marriage though is different, the choir and all other church groups like the urshers who left their house on Saturday to help with ur marriage will have to be paid...

Go forth, Christian soul, from this world in the name of God the almighty Father, who created you, in the name of Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, who suffered for you, in the name of the Holy Spirit, who was poured out upon you, go forth, faithful Christian. May you live in peace this day, may your home be with God in Zion, with Mary, the Virgin Mother of God, with Joseph, and all the Angels and Saints. Amen

Whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. (Rom 14:
God bless him and help him as his time here comes to an end

CrescentMoon:
I have gift of vision, and it manifests very often. Yesterday night, I would wake up at intervals afraid, and start praying. Then I saw my dead mum. She gave me an exact prayer point to use. I then asked her other mysterious questions which she answered. In the vision, a friend of mine came in suffering from a kind of disease. I said, 'mum, heal him'. Mum said "I didn't come here because of him." Now can an angel appear to a Christian taking the form of a dead mother?

as an advice, be careful never to seek these visions,

you need to talk to someone....

Andrewgame42:
Y'all make fun of pastors and churches straight to their face and even mock testimonies.... But cannot go to a native doctors shrine and make fun of the gods
I still wonder why,??

So am conducting a social experiment, am in ph now buh will be going to ile ife in two weeks , I need a volunteer the closer you re to the west the better, I'll pay ur transport and feeding and I'll give u 50k(which is probably more than what u earn in a month) all u have to do is mock IFA in a shrine , then you can go back home with ur money , you don't even have to stay in ile ife for more than 1 hour!!
Thanks

do native doctors own private jet?


be enlightened

ferisidowu, 5solas, an2elect2, you guys have been teaching Calvin's doctrine of predestination, I asked you guys do you also agree with his doctrine on baptism?

you guys have refused to answer.


what says you?

solite3:
neither was peter calledἱερουργοῦντα. It was Paul's ministry alone

haha,


I don't have the time for silly posts.

I have shown the officiating priesthood in the new testament as I said I would.

the same is passed on by the laying of hand unto ministry and continued from 1 AD till today in the Catholic Church.

brocab:
So does this mean we are enemies once again?
Copying and paste-then how do you write scripture-or write email addresses of different sites for me to look at-if you are not interested in people doing what you do Hypocritical...

I never saw you as an enemy, that is just you.

a paste scripture, sometimes I paste source materials to show proof of something, but unlike you I don't copy and paste arguments while side stepping the point made by another.

How do people learn-by each other-If I said, I ask the Lord to direct me to seek out where to find my search about the subject we are seeking together, would you agree with that?[/color]
And what if I had said, I copy and paste to save time-because the site I find my information are from other believers in Christ, who have already had it written down on the same subject we are writing about.

if that is what you do then I'll start doing the same, I'll begin to copy and paste arguments from Catholic sites since you claim you can't recognize that is counterproductive.

What if I said: you don't recognise the truth, because the truth doesn't know you-would you agree?[/color]
Of course you wouldn't, because you would copy and paste something out from the Catholic Church, like you have done in the past, trying to prove your Church belongs to no-mans land-you call Peter.

nah, I would disagree because I actually know the truth, I have come to the truth and I'm living in that reality, I don't need to copy and paste.


you remember some time ago when you copied and pasted falsehood against what the Catholic Church believes and you still kept your falsehood even after it was shown you were incorrect? that is how I know you aren't interested in learning anything or even discussing with an open mind. you just want to copy and paste your stories even when they are wrong.

sonmvayina:
I don't subscribe to any religion, I just have the knowledge of God...so I don't perish..

I know what I am supposed to know...

this just makes it harder for me to get your point of view.
OK
what do you believe?

Ferisidowu:
"for we know in part and prophesy in part"...
am afraid this seems not to be true with modern Christian professors who seem to think they know all and try to treat the old testament like it's a THORN IN THEIR FLESH....

now my questions are .... "

1,is the gospel in the old testament?
2, were people saved in the old testament Even with an everlasting SALVATION?
3, were they saved on basics of the law?

I will also give my own answers on this issue

I pray it's edifying to the Saints

AMEN

I'd value the views and points of the mentioned; An2elect2 jiggaz Goshen360 salvation101 enilove petra1 5solas ubenedictus mrpresident1 julivas kolawoleibukun doyinbaby enshy nebes paxonel nicemuyoo ken4christ overcomersfaith flamingREED MsNgo40 JesusSonOfGod Oracle16 ichuka in Emmanuel
asuustrike2009

1. ofcuz the good news is also in the old testament only in a veiled manner, few people recognize it.

2. heb 11 show us that some where saved in the old testament., their salvation though is preconditioned on Christ.
3. no one was ever saved by obeying the law, anyone saved is saved based on God's mercy. Romans tells us that Abraham and co were saved by God crediting them righteous on the basis of faith.


ask if you don't understand what I wrote.

edit: I was actually taught the old testament as the beginning of the good news it was pretty essential... It still is.

I don't know if any modern Christian take it as a thorn but in the older churches it is treated as a gem and interpreted in the light of the new testament using types. the old in the shadow of the new.

sonmvayina:
We are still in the roman era, the Messiah is going to come at the end of the roman era, study Daniel 7,

All the other empire and era where describe using animals or beast, to show their savagery to mankind, but the last was described using a man, which the Messiah represents....

He will usher in an era of peace...as isaiah prophesied "they will hammer their swords into plough shares and learn of war no more"

oh dear!


sonmvayina how would you describe yourself religion wise. what is your belief called... so I'll know what I'm responding to.

frosbel2:
Not so sure!

OK,

then what do you believe?


if I were to discuss religion or anything religious with you then what will be my starting point?

there is a God, I get that, then what next?

I'm asking, what do you believe? what stuff are you figuring out?



you're not giving me much.

frosbel2:
I still believe in God of course.

what about Jesus, do you still hold the new testament?