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Alwaystrue: There is no bible verse that says 'do not kiss your fiancee'. But you will get enough to tell you that sin looks for every opportunity so do not give occasion for it. The bible says flee every appearance of evil. As I said earlier, the desire to kiss her is also borne out of the bottled passion. Do not give it opportunity to erupt. And the bible said this:

I Timothy 5:1-2
1 Never speak harshly to an older man, but appeal to him respectfully as you would to your own father. Talk to younger men as you would to your own brothers
2 Treat older women as you would your mother, and treat younger women with all purity as you would your own sisters

This was an exhortation to an unmarried Timothy. As long as she is not (yet) your wife, I pray you receive the grace and strength to treat her as your sister in all purity(as I am sure you will not clamour to want to kiss your sister) but you are entitled to all in marriage. I really appreciate men who are willing to stand like this and I pray you will remain steadfast not only on this matter but other good things as well.

u are always true.

idnoble135: I think its better to forego it. If you really want to court in purity, do it to the end.
Besides, you sound matured. If you can do without intimacy till the wedding night, while not leave everything romance till wedding night. Last time i checked, kissing is not food.
And to add, most couples who were intimate during courtship never intended to do so. It began with all this tiny things. And one kiss might not lead immediately to intimacy, but it will spark up the hormones of intimacy and the build up begins. Soon, from kiss, it goes to groping and like that and like that till it leads to the bed.
Something a relationship counsellor told me is still fresh in my mind. He said, "What you will not eat, dont smell because the distance from the nose to the mouth is not far."
Dont try to peep. Let the whole package be. It shall bring you greater joy, fulfillment and pride on the wedding night.
Thats what i have to say.

i dnt have anything more to say. U just said it all. No more no less.

adsonstone: Why has it become so easy to say these lies against me...
You cant admit your own wrong (you dont even see it) yet, you keep seeing others who dont agree with you as 'wrong'.

I never claimed we are infalible (on our own), I claimed we are infailible with the Holy Spirit's guidance.
You said you (the catholic church) compiled 73 books for the bible (after removing deuterocanonical books you considered apocrypha) and you want everyone to follow what you compiled cos you feel thats right. You said myself and Kumuyi cannot agree on what the bible is (of course, we both agree on 66 books of the bible that does not contain all the deuterocanonicals including the ones you accepted and rejected-considering them apocryphal).

Regarding the bold,
I never insited they were not catholics after Chukwudi44 labelled two catholics out of about five church fathers I listed.
The same Jerome you claim is a catholic, is the same the orthodox claim he is (he even spoke against the said books you mentioned the catholic compiled).

If I may ask, why are you hypocritical on these issues?

dnt mind italo. He wants u to get angry and say what u ought not. He is an accuser. Just allow him to remain in his ignorance. GOD will deliver him someday. I believe that.

italo: Why should I believe that you dont worship your aprons simply because "Jesus is Lord" is written on it?

Can't you worship something on which Jesus is written?

Why do you expect others to take your word on whom you worship but you refuse to take their word on whom they worship?

You insist on imposing whom or what you think they worship and what they practise on them...but you dont allow them impose their own thoughts on you.

Are you their God?

we dnt pray to apron and bow down to it ok.

Thebrightest: Did u know u have once accidentally danced etighi while matching?

not me.

vickyO: it was also a custom among the Greeks, Romans, the Eastern nations and some other nations. sorry I failed to include that.
Did you fail to read vs. 16?

i dnt know why u are dancing back and forth.

vickyO: Don't forget that covering is a doctrine not a direct command so it can change depending on the people invovled. And the Bible isn't the Word of God, Jesus is. Bible to me is only a guide which contains some things God said.

u dnt know what u are saying. U really hv the nerves to say d bible is nt the word of God? U really amaze me.

Be vigilant and be sensitive in the spirit, for satan is transformed.

2 corinthians 11:13-15.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of christ.
14. And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

Ephesians 5:14-17.
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead and christ shall give thee light.
15. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16. Redeeming the time because the days are evil.
17. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understand what the will of the lord is.

1 peter 5:8.
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour.

1 John 4:1.
Beloved, believe not every spirit but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 John 2:18.
Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye have heard that anti-christ shall come, even now are there many anti-christs, whereby we know that is the last hour.

1 timothy 4:1-2.
Now the spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrine of devils,
2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy having their conscience seared with hot iron.

Take heed to his word.

Hebrew 2:1-4.
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard lest at any time we should let them slip.
2. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward,
3. How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation which at the first began to be spoken by the lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him.

Let us not sleep like others.

1 thessalonians 5:1-9.
But the times and seasons bethren ye have no need that i write unto you.
2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3. For when they shall say peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape.
4. But ye bethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5. Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6. Therefore let us not sleep as do others, but let us watch and be sober.
7. For they that sleep, sleep in the night and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8. But let us who are of the day be sober putting on the breastplate of faith and love and for an helmet salvation.
9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation by our lord Jesus christ.

Vickii Ro: Ukuts,I'd jst answered u,cuz in 1996,I ws stil a kid

hw many years are u now?

Idowuogbo: D members lurrrrrrrrve my dance steps. Infact, dem promote me as head of usher. U know when u dance well well, d offering basket dey full well well.

why do u like pidgin english like this?

Vickii Ro: Ok I wear penciled skirts nd sleeves to church,notin seductive.
B4 Azonot nd d rest,we used to dance Yahooze,and alanta nd even b4 dat, makosa nd Odas.so u see what I'm tryna say here,oda dance steps r nt dere,@ least nt ones I wud want to do.

let me say in year 1996, hw do u use to dance in church. I believe there was no yahooze then

Donyswit: A great topic I must say, But here is my take on it.
Let's quickly take a clue from the Bible, in 2Sam 6vs20

Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

I'm not sure if David was dancing Makosa, Etigi, Skelewu, Garala, But what ever dance that made him go unclad without realizing it was sure not a dance of a gentle man.

Let's take a look at David's defence on the accusation made by his wife, this is clearly noted in 2Sam 6vs21

And David said unto Michal, It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord.

My phrase of interest here is "it was before the lord" these dance steps were not done in a club, But before the lord, the intent of the dancer is what matters at this point, if the best dance step I've got is Azonto, y can't I use it to the glory of God, as long as It's coming from my heart n my intent is right, I'm sure God will appreciate it.

Finally, It's very important we be careful on How we criticize people dancing in the church, Let God be the ultimate George, you don't have to help him, he delivers judgement at his own time less we suffer unbearable consequences of our own ignorance, this was the fate of David's wife for unjustly criticizing his dance.

2 Samuel 6:23 KJV
Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Enough said already, Please Let God b the judge

so we should go and dance naked in church then. No problem, we are rejoicing in God's house.

Vickii Ro: Ok jokes apart nw,what am I suposed 2 do aprt frm clapping.Ok I dance dese dances bt I dnt shake anythng nw,and besides what I wear 2 church wnt let anythng shake sef.So?

hw do u use to dance b4 those dances came? What do u wear to church?

[quote author=Ace-thekid]we fail to understand that God doesn't think the way we think; it is only humans that will go to a place of worship and start looking at which sister is covering her hair or not and the only possible conclusion to such in their hearts is that of condemnation (of the said sisters who aren't covering their hair) thus commiting a sin...the one that says you shouldn't judge others lest you will be judged. one thing I know is that if Jesus saw such sisters in church, He wouldn't make a list of those who didn't cover their hair and submit to God so that they will be condemned to hell. in the first place, the OP is gravely erroneous to interpret the bible passages "as he has been taught by his pastor and at Sunday school"...As choleric as Apostle Paul was, he was pretty straight forward to say that men shouldn't cover their "heads" thus the reason for short hair and women's "heads" must be covered thus the reason for their long hair as a covering ( which is a sign of submission and humility and also a thing that brings out her beauty)...so, I am still beat when people argue on such trivial matters as this as if it is a prerequisite to make heaven. just don't be surprised when during rapture, the women that weren't covering their hair won't left behind as you would imagine.[/quote]error. The woman's long hair is not d sign of submission paul talks about. The woman suppose to have a symbols on her hair which is nt d hair itself.

ravgach: The truth is:

1. A woman should cover her head (hair) while praying or preaching the word of God, whether the hair is long or short.
2. A woman's long hair (not attachments) is given her for a covering, to the extent she does
not need to cover it unless she is praying, it is her glory.
3. A woman should not wear bald head, short hair or cut hair openly whether in church or outside the church - it should
always be covered. It is a shame for a woman to wear short hair openly, as it is just the same as if the hair was shaven or bald.
4. The reason a woman should cover her long hair while praying and her short hair everywhere she goes to, is because of the
angels - a sign of reverence to God who is represented by angelic beings at prayer times and a sign of submission to
the authority of the man in line with God's command.

that is it.

mystikal: just do what your conscience convinces you is right.

F**k ambigous doctrines

no. Do what d bible says is right.

Vickii Ro: Yaaaah
*fervently nodding my head*
Tho I'm still waiting fr d ansa 2 my questn ooo

vicki stop all this. You know what is good and what is bad. Aren't you?

tintingz: LOL, That's why david wife confronted him why he danced na;ked, but God was not pleased with her statement and cursed her. I think David danced na;ked for he was so happy the covenant box was brought back the spirit of joy was in him he didn't know what he was doing. ID will you dance na;ked in my church

so all d girls should dance naked then all boys too. I think God would like dat now? Ignorance is a disease.

mayten30: David for bible wey dance troway him cloth abeg which kain spirit enter am sote him dance reach level wey be say na to commot cloth?I expect the op to call it wordly dance because why should he off his cloth when dancing,people go dey see him chest nah and that is a sin shebi?op ur point no make sense,and what is a dance that is not wordly?and tell me the kind of dance u dance in church?the holy ghost or biblical dance shey? David for bible wey dance troway him cloth abeg which kain spirit enter am sote him dance reach level wey be say na to commot cloth?I expect the op to call it wordly dance because why should he off his cloth when dancing,people go dey see him chest nah and that is a sin shebi?op ur point no make sense,and what is a dance that is not wordly?and tell me the kind of dance u dance in church?the holy ghost or biblical dance shey?

who told u David was totally unclad.

Acidosis:

Easy my Esan sister...
I'm not God

The truth will always remain the truth okay..

I still believe a genuinely born again Christian cannot speak in tongues on sunday and then on saturday sit down somewhere shaking heads and body to Davido or Wizkid...

Such things are abominable before the God we serve..

Lets not cover the truth with a veil of our own desires..

Btw, are you not the same Vicki with several se.xcapades on sexuality section?
And you say you're a chorister in the house of God?


Pls what is the name of your Church?



Sorry sist, I'm not trying to condemn you... but this is the position of the Church Jesus died for today..

The world is doomed already!

I Hope Hell will be big enough to accomodate the entire world..

what more can i say. Only d holy once will b saved.

stekyskydon: op, pls tell me d kind of dance david danced to d extent dat he rmvd his cloth? Everytn is a matter of wat u blv in ok. If u dnt wana dance gud bt leave odas alone. Teamdancelykdaviddanced.com

did david danced makossa or Azonto?

lolaxavier: Guy, his/her comment does not in anyway mean trash. You are certainly the one talking off-key. How does this become your headache and problem? Who are you advocating for? How does it impact on your life? If a lady chooses not to cover her hair, it's 100% up to her. The sooner you accept the fact that people have free will to coordinate their lives and make decisions on their own, the better. Abeg, go park well jooor...

i wonder hw ur church will look like if u are a pastor. D name of ur church will be 'do as u like God understand'. People will just be trooping to hell in their thousands. When a blind man leads a blind man what do u think will happen?

blink182: you my friend are actually the piece of trash. You and people like you will continue to perish as long as you listen to your pastor and not read your bible yourselves.

God will open ur blind eyes

bong4: if you are really concerned with worshipping God, you wont have time observing others dancing how much more knowing the names of the dance steps. You must be practicing these dance steps secretly to differentiate one from the other.

so when i am walking in d street i should be closing my eyes abi? So if u are in a place u would nt know what is going on around that place abi?

ajayikayod: @Op, really i hav heard about those steps but cant actually identify them if i see someone doing it (i think i m too old school).

Firstly, i m wondering how u r able to identify those dances if u dont dance it or programmed it in u too. Dt means u dont just hear d names, u kno d steps by watching d movies etc? or mayb u dance them (whether in church or not).

Secondly, issues of shaking body in church can results into lots of arguments but in simple words; as worshipers of God, God doesnt see, look or grade our dance steps watever they are, God looks at d heart, d reverence in worship. Its a spirit filled worship dt God deserves and ds should flow from inside (inner man) outward not d other way, because thr (in d spirit) is d place of worship.

u mean the spirit of God is d one propelling people to dance Azonto and makosa in church? Why are people even lying against d spirit of God. Someone will still smoke in church and u will say it is the spirit of God moving him.

Ishilove: And it was

so u liked it. Surprising!

kachi09: You don't get it, do you? Nothing is of the ordinary in this world,so with dance steps. These dance steps have their different origins, a dance solely dedicated to induce lustful desires and evil thoughts will never give God glory. You can't copy what they do in club houses and replicate in church,it is an error,we could as well bring the cigarettes in clubs to the house of God to smoke. You don't have to see it written in black and white to know what is wrong.

dnt mind those myopic and blind folks posting rubbish. The most painful thing are those suppose christians joining them to post trash and saying what they did nt know. I wonder if they are nt just mere church goers. A christian who cannot distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil is definitely lost.

horpeyeahme: †• Me drez nuffin wrong in dancing as d spirit leads.@ OP king David danced as read in d bible †• D extent of dancing NAKED jez imagine his dance steps.won't b suprised if he wz dancing azonto,alujo,etighi,alingo or even makossa.... TeamDanceasdspiritleads.Kapish

ur imagination is deceiving u.

The church has been infested, contaminated with many shameful things in the name of God does not look at the outward appearance but the heart. I ask a question but people refused to give me an answer. I said, if Jesus was to dance now, would he dance Azonto, makossa and skelewu style? If Jesus dance that way many of u would be d first to crucify him again and u are here posting trash. Hypocritical pharisees.

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