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theredaddy:
If i could take my time to explain like i am talking nursery school children and you could still not comprehend, you got me all wrong. my logic goes;

If FCT was a state in real sense there won't have being need for "and the FCT" in the 1st place, what would have being written in the cobstitutuon is 37states
By factual statements Nigeria has 36states, but in reality election took place in more than 36states, living FCT out would have being undemocratic as disenfranchising eligible citizens becos they reside in a territory not considered state enough.
Therefore section 299 took it upon itself to ensure FCT vote count just like any other state by enacting,
"The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly"

Emphasis on "as if" it were one of the states, the interpretation is abuja as being grouped alongside other states which makes our count 37 for the purpose of election only

But the work is still not done, in other not to contradict the FACT that Nigeria has 36 states the daftsman decided to use a conjuction to legitimatize FCT into count ... "and" was the most appropriate word.
Apparently the motive was just to creat equality so a place or people don't feel left out.



Imagine the constitution had assumed 37states directly ... how will we resolve that or you can tell us how the FCT would have being brought in without a conjunction and not contradict 36. gud luck

I am NOT sure if you're a lawyer or just a layman trying to spin the literal interpretation of your Constitution to suit your narrow and biased view. If you're a lawyer, then it's a shame and a disgrace that you can NOT read and interpret your Constitution as it was intended by the framers. Shame on you.
That section of your Constitution, Section 299 that you quoted was simply saying that although the Federal Capital Territory is NOT a state with its own Executive Governor, House of Assembly, and State Courts, it shall be treated as a state because all the powers vested in these 3 different arms of state government are inter alia vested in the three arms of the Federal government residing in the Federal Capital Territory.

Meaning:
In essence, this section of the Constitution is saying that although FCT does NOT have the 3 arms of the State Government (House of Assembly, Governor, and the State Courts), it should be treated like one of the 36 states by the virtue of the 3 arms the Federal Government (Legislative, Executive, and the Judiciary) residing in the Federal Capital Territory. That is simply what Section 299 is saying! Most of you guys are getting hung up on this statement: The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly....

This is the exact wording of Section 299 of your Constitution:

Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly -

(a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;

You're trying to wiggle away from the section of your Constitution that deals with the issue at hand. Now to deal with the relevant part of your Constitution that deals with the issue at hand, I refer you to:

Section 134 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

(1) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected, where, there being only two candidates for the election -

(a) he has the majority of votes cast at the election; and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

(2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election-

(a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election;

and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.


Based on the literal interpretation of the relevant section of your Constitution that deals with the issue, it means that whoever is declared the winner MUST also get 25% of the votes cast in the Federal capital territory.

I hope this story is NOT true because if it is as reported, then your country is done and dusted and anyone that's talking about One Nigeria needs to be hung in the village square. Now, tell me how can you expect someone who spends that kind of money to get such a position to work on your behalf? Folks, you really need to see your failed country for what it is and NOT what you wish it is. Nigeria is the MOST corrupt and useless country on the face of this earth bar NONE! You can continue to live in denial but it is what it is!

theredaddy:
You are just being clever by quarter, english no hard naa sentiment dey worry una

According to section B, a part say 2-3rd of all states in the federation, if you list out all the states in Nigeria will abuja be there ?

The need for a "conjunction" arises becos all forms of logical arguement would have left abuja out of elections becos it does not meet the main clause " in all states of the federation"

The sole essence of of bringing Abuja into the equation was for fairness, they are Nigerians shouldnt be disenfrachnise cos of state or no state.. the draftsman can't preach fairness and at the same time promote "superiority" cos the constitution just want abuja to count as if it were one of the states, in english "as if" is subjective to imagination, assumption .. becos its not real in true sense
The next task was to look for the most appropriate "conjunction" taken into consideration election is a language of maths express in English .. for additional purposes "and" which denotes " +" in maths is the most appropriate choice. ask ur teachers

Interestingly, Why not try to introduce FCT as one of the states in the federation such that it will induce understanding from readers, without using the word "and"

You are just being clever by quarter, english no hard naa sentiment dey worry una

I can't agree more with you that English is NOT hard except if you can't read and comprehend it without sentiment!

Below is what Section 134 of your Constitution says:

(2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election-

(a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election;

and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election of each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

Do you see the "and" between Section 2 (a) & (b)? Why do you think it's there? If you can honestly answer that, then you have already answered whether a candidate needs to get 25% of VOTES cast in both the 24 States and also in the Federal Capital Territory. Going on your warped logic, that means the "and" between the two subsections should be discarded, therefore, a candidate can be declared a winner by either getting: (a) the highest number of votes cast in an election; OR (b) 25% of votes cast in 24 states and the Federal capital territory BUT not both as indicated by Section 134 of the Constitution. So, the "and" means that both statements MUST be satisfied not just one in order for a winner to be declared! Got it?

ganisucks:
https://independent.ng/presidential-election-25-votes-in-fct-not-mandatory-senator-osunbor/

Yes, there is! And that part is Section 134 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria which reads thus:


(1) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected, where, there being only two candidates for the election -

(a) he has the majority of votes cast at the election; and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

(2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election-

(a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election; and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election of each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.


Based on the literal interpretation of the relevant section of your Constitution that deals with the issue, it means that whoever is declared the winner MUST also get 25% of the votes cast in 24 States as well as in the Federal capital territory. If you discount the "and" linking the two statements..." all the states in the federation" plus "the Federal Capital Territory, then, in essence, you MUST also discount the "and" between subsection 1(a) and (b) or 2 (a) and (b) of this section 134 of your Constitution. That means you need to only fulfill one of the two subsections either (a) or (b) and NOT both. So, if a candidate MUST fulfill both subsections 1 (a) and (b) of Section 134, they MUST also fulfill the requirements of getting 25% of VOTES cast in 24 states of the federation and also 25% of VOTES cast in the Federal Capital Territory.

"AND" is a conjunction. You use and to link two statements about events when one of the events follows the other.

BreconHills:
If you took the time to read and understand what I wrote your response would be unnecessary. The key expression is " ...and the FCT" and I addressed that. I also expressly said that Nigeria does not run an electoral college. Let me break it down for you.

Section 299 of the Constitution expressly provides that the provisions of the Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation. Section 299 of the Constitution has received the judicial imprimatur of the full panel of the Supreme Court in FAWEHINMI & ORS v. BABANGIDA & ORS (2003) LPELR-1255 (SC).

The matter is settled. Abuja is a just another state for the purposes of the Presidential election. It would not ordinarily count as a state as it has no governor or house of assembly. But the Constitution says it should be treated as a state...as any other state.

I expected Obi to attempt to show that irregularities led to a substantially different result that would necessitate a re run. He didn't. No doubt because he can see that the results posted on irev and the collation numbers are in substantial conformity.

Obi is blowing smoke as usual. The king of vague and bland.

You're trying to wiggle your way out by not answering my question. You would deal with everything else other than answer the question. The section of your Constitution you are quoting is irrelevant to the issue. Even going by the section of your Constitution you quoted, you still missed the mark. That section of your Constitution was saying that although the Federal Capital Territory is NOT a state with its own Executive Governor, House of Assembly, and State Courts, it shall be treated as a state because all the powers vested in these 3 different arms of state government are inter alia vested in the three arms of the Federal government residing in the Federal Capital Territory.
This is exactly what that section of your Constitution says below:

Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly -

(a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;

Now to deal with the relevant part of your Constitution that deals with the issue at hand, I refer you to:

Section 134 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

(1) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected, where, there being only two candidates for the election -

(a) he has the majority of votes cast at the election; and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

(2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election-

(a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election;

and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.


Based on the literal interpretation of the relevant section of your Constitution that deals with the issue, it means that whoever is declared the winner MUST also get 25% of the votes cast in the Federal capital territory.

"AND" is a conjunction. You use and to link two statements about events when one of the events follows the other.

BreconHills:
Stop this nonsense. The constitution says that Abuja should be treated as any other state when it involves constitutional matters. The "and" is inclusive not "additional" This is settled law and some of us have been.in practice for 40 odd years. There are already several cases on this point.

Unlike the US Nigeria does not run an electoral college. Are you saying if someone won one state and Abuja he would win the election if his opponent won 34 states without Abuja? Come on.

I have always wondered why Obi filed such a weak petition. I can only surmise that he wants to play the "we were robbed" card in order to catalyse and hold his base together over the next four years.

Even he has gone quiet.

What does your Constitution say about the % of VOTES that a candidate needs to get from FCT and NOT whether you have practiced law for 40-odd years? I am NOT a lawyer in Nigeria and NOT sure what your law is on that. I posed a question based on what Mr. Olisa Agbakoba said in one of his interviews on Arise TV.

Mr. Tiefnubu, no one says that FCT voters are special but if your Constitution requires that you MUST have 25% of the votes cast there, then you're NOT exempted. It absolutely has NOTHING to do with whether the voters are special or NOT. And this is the man who wants to be your presidiot with such a warped mindset...no respect for the rule of law.

Roger3D:
Whatever rocks your boat man

Exactly... I thought as much. Have a good day!

Roger3D:
Okay IPOB man

Nah! Do NOT run away from a simple question. You know it's very easy to make generalized false assertions but very difficult to be specific when confronted. People say, Mr. Ekpa is a terrorist because that's very easy to say but when confronted to exactly prove their point, they tend to run away and prevaricate. So, tell me, not just parroting what your Fulani government wants you to say and believe, who has Mr. Ekpa terrorized? I find it funny that none of you COWARDS [/b]would [b]speak the truth and confront your government for using their Fulani foot soldiers (Fulani herdsmen) to terrorize all of you but would NOT blink an eye to spread their false narratives. All of you need to be ashamed of yourselves. Just because you call him a terrorist does NOT make him a terrorist. The rest of the civilized world knows it's nothing but propaganda and cheap blackmail.

Roger3D:
The fact that he is a terrorist

Oh Really? Who did he terrorize? Or do you just want to espouse the narrative of your failed government and help disseminate its propaganda and cheap a$$ blackmail? That you repeat the same FALSE narrative over and over does NOT make it true!

Neverslumber:
Hmmm, thought this guy was arrrested?

Anyone that actually believed he was arrested must be living on cloud nine! On what grounds would he be arrested?

norriswood:
...keep ranting..jobless IPOB from burial ground region.....ur parents made mistake by giving birth to u they should have aborted ur pregnancy cos u re a failure nd disgrace to them.....bastard child

Awww! I see that you're in pain! I am sure you will get over it when your dumb a$$ learns some sense. There you go again with your projection. I am sure you're living under the bridge somewhere in Lagos and you probably snatched the phone that you're using. It's okay, in your next life, you might get lucky and have parents who would send you to school to educate your docile mind and teach you to be a decent human being instead of a thug. I am sorry you turned out to be a hopeless and useless being and of no benefit to humanity. You're better of dead than alive, you douchebag!

Here we go again with this idiot lying and acting like he's intelligent and smarter than everybody else. He is here comparing apples and oranges. Clearly, his speech definitely is HATE SPEECH no matter how he tries to spin it. And he forgot to take cognizant of the fact that context matters. I know so many people are amused by his clownish behavior and penchant for frivolities but I feel sorry for his family. This is simply because he has a psychiatric problem and if he's on meds, they need to re-evaluate the dosage and probably increase it. It's obvious that his current dosage is NO longer effective and should be increased. Otherwise, how can one make so many inconsistent statements in a span of hours and yet turn around to lecture you on what he has NO clue about? Mr. Funny Food Kayode is NOTHING but a prevaricator, self-centered, ignorant, and a dimwitted fool who regales in razzle-dazzle and always looks for a way to satisfy and protect his personal interest!

nairalandkachy1:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0K9UP1PMucds3WmBzgRVJx4PWfgUjXzkv1Y46BpWHCchLWzzVPFUmRicyWDe9U5kHl&id=100069326644737&mibextid=Nif5oz

Make una kill una selves all of you "One Nigeria" advocates!

norriswood:
..keep ranting barking hungry bull dog from failed region.....backward region...almajiris on the street are more useful in Nigeria than entire igbos,,cry again....slowpoke

WOW! Is this all your small mind can come up with? I thought you got more upstairs than that but on second thought, I just remembered that you're an idiot and a waste of human flesh!

Ofunaofu:
It doesn't change the fact that Bayo onanuga and others have committed war crimes through threats, incitement against a particular ethnic group

There is no different between the crimes committed by Bayo onanuga and others and the crimes of Omar al Bashir of Sudan who was tried and jailed by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes committed in Darfur

Do NOT mind the naysayers! They do NOT understand that the ICC process is a slow, painstaking, and arduous process. As they say, "The wheels of Justice grind exceedingly slow. But they grind exceedingly fine."

Reasonable minds are wondering what's the purpose of this pig's visit to the failed country. Is he here to shore up their stooges and make sure that they still maintain control? It's no secret that the British government is very calculative and anything it does is exclusively for its own benefit and interest. So, for this fat bastard, Boris Johnson, to embark on a visit to Nigeria at this juncture, there's definitely a reason behind it. And the question that needs to be asked is: "What's the purpose of his visit?"

Seun:
Fellow Nairalanders,

We have noticed the use of ethnic slurs and other derogatory names by a small but persistent group of political actors and trolls.

This practice of derogatory name-calling adds no value to the forum. It's bad for our mental health, our harmony as a community, and the reputation of Nairaland. It's simply toxic. It's absence and the absence of the people who use those slurs will not be missed.

Therefore I have decided to ban the practice entirely. I have instructed dominique, mukina2, Lalasticlala and Mynd44 to ban anyone who uses an ethnic slur or derogatory name on Nairaland. The antispam bot will also contribute to the effort. Please report any case that you see.

- Seun Osewa, Founder of Nairaland

I am glad you brought that to the fore and I hope you're NOT gonna be selective in dishing out your suspension!

norriswood:
....are u done taking u dose? Tell ur parents to check u in to d nearest psychiatric hospital before u will run mad in d market square..with all above stories u just mentioned ,ur life still miserable nd frustrated, barking hungry bull.....u re just being frustrated...u can commit suicide if u ain't happy .....u re ain't normal ,u re thinking from anus..Igbo head

Your idiocy is beyond comprehension. Engage a thug, teach a thug, a thug will always remain a thug! I know you're stupid and it's better you shut your mouth so that we can all assume because the moment you open your mouth, you remove all doubt!

I am amazed at how people with more problems and are in a deeper sh*t than you're, would be[b] more concerned about your own issues[/b]. These folks with their blinders on have failed to see and acknowledge the amount of criminality and devastation going on in their neck of the woods. Hence, they have resorted to playing the ostrich with their head buried in the sand, and have mastered the art of projection. They are quick to point out what's going on in Biafra land but forgot that kidnappings, arsons, and murders are ongoing daily in their area. These fools certainly get a "hard-on" when they hear the name IPOB.

Golan007:
Obi should talk to his boys.

Do you mean Tiefnubu and Atiku talking to their boys?

No serious person or any civilized country paid attention to the garbage that the Global Terrorism Index (GTI) put out. We know that the zoological republic of the animal kingdom, Liegeria, paid it to put out such hideous information in the media sphere. To classify IPOB as a terrorist group and include it in its terrorist index is like including the US in the same list of underdeveloped countries as Liegeria. That's anathema to civilized societies. IPOB is NOT a terrorist group, has NEVER been, and would NEVER be. It's the universal right of every human being to defend himself and IPOB is doing exactly that regardless of the cheap blackmail and propaganda by the Fulani Government of Nigeria and their acolytes.

norriswood:
failed republic of biafra zoo..almajiris has value than all igbos in biafra zoo, they are all dead brain..imagine useless igbos..very stupid people for the past 32 years abia state government are living in a rented place..animal will not see that, useless and good forsaken,smelling boy is here ranting like miserable human, is it Nigeria government that makes u igbos life miserable...bastard,slowpoke,psychiatric patient, tell ur parents to delivered u to amadioha for cleanse in biafa zoo

Another useful idiot for the Fulani[/b]s with his [b]low-life mentality. If I did not know any better I would think I am engaging a two-year-old but that would be an insult to all the two-year-olds out there because their IQ is way more than yours. You are a dead-brain M0R0N and lack the capacity to reason or think. Let me remind you that there are two ways one can influence human behavior; you can either manipulate it or you can inspire it. But guess what? I have chosen to do NEITHER because you're too damn TOXIC! Your indignant a$$ does NOT allow you to realize that the world does not revolve around you. Your ranting is nothing but a defensive posture; what you've failed to achieve with your brain, you try to accomplish with your HATRED and foul mouth! keep on because you would die a very miserable human being and I would be here to mock your dumb a$$!

Funny Food kayode (FFK) is at it again. He must have been off his meds otherwise why would he be ranting and foaming in the mouth like a mad rabid dog? This idiot has no moral principles, is a con man, and is the most selfish human being in that failed country...always looking out for his own selfish interest. The other day, he was threatening Mr. Joe Biden via tweet for NOT making a congratulatory call to Tiefnubu and recognizing the charade they call an election. And now, the fool is asking his slave masters, the UK, to butt off the affairs of Nigeria. I wonder where he was during the campaigns when all their presidential candidates including his own candidate were jetting off to London to pay homage to Britain. The part that irks me the most is the fact that he thinks he is the smartest cookie in the jar with his unrefined and fake British accent. But when you actually listen to him talk, you'd find out that he's very shallow in his reasoning and lacks the capacity to engage that part of his brain that engages critical and analytical thinking. And he lacks the conviction of a sophisticated politician and he's always paying homage to the god of ethnicity when it suits him. This is exactly what is wrong with the country. No Nigerian politician or leader ever has articulated a positive vision for Nigeria's future. As a country, it has a crisis of ideas and appears to have no ambition. Nigeria as a country recycles failure!

To back the group’s claim while addressing dignitaries at the event held in Awka, the state capital, Siddiki cited Anaku, Umueje, Omor, Igbakwu, Omasi, Umumbo, Umuerum and Ifite-Ogwari all in Ayamelum local government council of the areas of the state as places where MACBAN members have been denied accommodation.

Of course, you would be denied accommodation! When has living in the bush become acceptable in modern society? Not only that you are living in the bush, you're destroying farmlands, kidnapping and killing members of your host communities. So, how the 4uck do you expect to live peacefully amongst your host when you have a very dark and sinister motive?

JasonScoolari:
People from different tribes residing in Lagos suffered because of the calamitious utterances that this bastard made and the inexplicable and unconciable alliances he developed with some miscreants to carry out his evil act before and during the elections.




They should not just ban him from entering the U.S, they should also use him as a scapegoat and deport his miserable son...

To those fools in abject poverty defending MC Oluomo, this is your master and his useless children in the United States.

I wonder if the US belongs to him or his ancestors! It's very disingenuous that those who are quick to tell you to go back where you came from are those idiots seeking to get a visa to come to the US or other civilized countries. But I guess this mindless thug, MC Oluomo, does NOT see the hypocrisy in his utterances and actions. Now, that his children are in the US if a caucasian would ask him to go back to his country, he would be the first one to scream RACISM forgetting that he's equally guilty of the same offense! What a shiftless and uneducated buffoon!

This nitwit should stop ranting and foaming in the mouth like a rabid dog! His threat is not gonna change a damn thing. After all, is Tiefnubu NOT a drug dealer?

norriswood:
.. wailers with empty brain...keep wailing...when u re tired u check in to d nearest psychiatric to pick Ur drugs

Sounding more and more like the fool you're! Your beloved and failed country, Liegeria, has turned you into a lunatic M0R0N! Keep it up and you end up like the rest of them!

norriswood:
.....barking hungry bull dog....why re u carrying so much pains in ur head.....u re just pained nd bitter..frustrated, I'm not the one that makes ur life miserable, of which I'm not interested in ur nonsense stories...say that to ur elders...

There you go again with your projection! It does NOT work for me...too smart and very intelligent to be dragged down to your low level. You're the one who is very angry, bitter, and full of HATE judging by your response. I asked you just simple questions but I forgot that NOT all that appear on this forum is NORMAL!

donproject2:
They have to dig this deep before they can find a case of non easterner that has a good business in that region. You don't even need 1/50 of this sweat in any of SW states to effortlessly point to what other tribes own.

Is any southeasterner as you put it ever STOPPED or PREVENTED you from establishing a business there? Absolutely NOT! You should blame yourself for your own insecurity and narrow-mindedness! No Igbo man or woman has ever STOPPED you or any other person from any other ethnic nationality from residing in the east or establishing a business there. Just because you feel inadequate and feel you can NOT compete on a level playing field does NOT equate to Igbos stopping you from establishing a business in the area. It's time you guys be honest for once and tell yourselves the truth. As a child growing up, my next-door neighbor was a Yoruba family, the Taiwos, a very nice family and had a very successful business. To this day, if you go to a market in my hometown of Onitsha, called Ose-Okwuodu, the majority of the people who deal in stuff used by native doctors in their practice area, are Yorubas. And they have been there for years and all have grown children dating back to second, third, and fourth generations who speak Igbo very fluently. So, please do NOT come here with this nonsense that Igbos do NOT allow others to come to their area. Truth be told, Igbos do NOT give a damn who comes to the east or NOT, they are ready to compete at home or abroad as far as a business venture is concerned.

norriswood:
u people have been separated since ...did u see any government intervened to the sit at home every Monday or killing of ur people like chicken...u people have ur own nation called federal Republic of biafrazoo...

I tried to engage you with the hopes that you have any modicum of sense and would reason like a human being but I was wrong. I asked you simple questions to get you to use that side of your brain that had been dormant since you became an adult. But alas, instead of acting like a human being that can articulate his views and engage in intelligent discourse, you resorted to what you know and do best...act like a low-life thug! You have just exhibited your ignorance and cheer stupidity. You are nothing but a waste of human flesh and are here constituting a nuisance. Good luck with that!