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budaatum:
Did you "Research on this phenomenon" before you posted about it?

Infant swimming is the phenomenon of human babies and toddlers reflexively moving themselves through water and changing their rate of respiration and heart rate in response to beisubmerged. The slowing of heart rate and breathing is called the bradycardic response. It is not true that babies are born with the ability to swim, though they have reflexes that make it look like they are. Babies are not old enough to hold their breath intentionally or strong enough to keep their head above water.

i am aware of this phenomenon and that is why I ask you to make a little research before coming up with evidence .

Of course they need our help to make them perfect the swimming but naturally baby does have a natural ability to swim, the natural ability comes from a pair of reflexes she has when she's in the water. And that is what i am trying to show or prove .

The swimming reflex. If you support a baby in water tummy-side down she will move her arms and legs in a swimming motion.

Dive reflex. A baby will hold her breath and open her eyes when she's under water.

budaatum:
VAXX!

"emphaty can be inate....so it is both learned and inate" (sic)

Yes it is of both process.

Do you know babies have the ability to swim and hold their breath. But Unfortunately they lose it fairly quickly and have to relearn later. Research on this phenomenon before you respond....

budaatum:
So, one can start learning from age child and finish developing until twenty-five?

when I said developing, it does not automatically translate to learning.. It means the brain passes thru stages to become fully matured just likes our bones

Ioannes:
My mistake then.

Maybe our lovely Nairaland-resident Ghanaian, Mackydebbie won't mind telling us the meaning of Akwaaba.

it is almost the same. In fact some twi language also sound like igbo. For example (osi )which means speak is the same wirh twi in ghana akuko for a male chicken in yoruba is the same with chicken in twi. The diffrence is, in twi all chickens are akuko. Many similarities bro...

budaatum:
Daniel Goleman identified five key elements of empathy as

Understanding Others
Developing Others
Having a Service Orientation
Leveraging Diversity
Political Awareness

To which extent could we say these skills are innate? Does one find them in the untutored human (or ape or cat or dog?)

I hypothesis that empathy can both be genetic and eveniromental and it is the environmental part of it that is learned. Your five key element speaks volume of the environmental part living the genetic one which is the instinct to survive, most animal has this tendency of protecting thier own race and likewise similar spicies . for example, lions have been seen defending other animals from other lions or other predators and in some cases from people. There are documentary on this.

Therefore it is a two part process. The enviormental process is developed from childhood to aduilthood which is basically modify thru experience.

Genetic empathy is not an all at once understanding. ""According to neurologist"", It takes until you are twenty-five for the brain to finish developing. Until then, a person can appear to be very unempathetic. The first showing of empathy is when you are a child..


They have been many research to validate children as little as three years old has empathy(even younger ), while there are many indication to also prove child born psychopath due to parental influence can learn empathy too if environment change.

To be continue,

You will notice the 16 odu ifa emphasised on sacrifice ...

So what is this sacrifice? Ebo (sacrifice)


This sacrifice (ebo) always has to do with something in your life that is hindering your ability to reach for another thing. You must sacrifice this thing (usually something you love but is negative for you) before the positive can replace it.

Unfortunately, this true nature of ebo is unclear to many so-called initiates. Yes, ebo often takes a physical form for SYMBOLIC ritualistic purposes, but this is just the symbol not that which is being symbolized.

Some think that ebo is paying a babalawo money to mix up a bunch of things with blood in a pot, after which you are suppose to magically gain access to your ambition. This is utter nonsense and intended only to make a babalawo wealthy off of someone's naiveté and spiritual laziness.

If ebo (sacrifice) was about paying babalawos and buying material objects to sacrifice, then that would mean that the orisa are on the side of rich people who could afford this lifestyle and not the poor. Any fool knows that a true spiritual system is ALWAYS about reaching the poor and weak. Thus, if Ifa is a true spiritual system (which it is), then we know that Ifa's concept of ebo sacrifice must not be so materially focused.

Any rich man can buy any material to sacrifice and pay any babalawo's price for ebo. Yes, the orisa want rich people to donate their wealth to the spiritual institutions, but real ebo is usually not material, but about some behavior in your life that you are suppose to sacrifice ....


I think.it is enough time you use your brain and the inner wisdom (orunmila) without putting your trust on one babalawo out there to difine your future for you..

Ifa warn (16 Odu)

Ejiogbe 1

Ifa warn us to be truthful at all time. Be truthful, upright and honest. you may not be rich or have material things like others but you must be truthful and will not end up in disarray.


Oyeku Meji 2

Ifa wishes this person well. He should be rich in his life. Ifa would mend his life for him and would not allow him to see premature death of his relatives. They would live a long life.


IWORI MEJI 3

Ifa says this person those things that he tried to get without success in the past and he would live long and should not lament again because all good things would get to him.


ODI MEJI 4

Ifa says life would please this person, He would become a renowned person. All the thing he was doing in in little but steady paces would turn to be big.


IROSUN MEJI 5

Ifa says this person will have good fortune of children, life would please him and his fortune would not elude him But he should sacrifice. the woman would become the mother of youths while the man would become the father of youths


OWONRIN MEJI 6

Ifa says this person should make sacrifice, he is trading and complaining not making profits. Ifa says it is time for him to make profit. Ifa will open his way.


OBARA MEJI 7

Ifa wishes this person well. Hisi Ori is destined to be wealthy and he would be rich in life. Ifa says there is exist Oshun spot in his lineage. He should sacrifice to this Oshun immediately because all his fortune are rooted in Oshun.


OKANRAN MEJI 8

This prson is enjoined not to engage in what he/she is not capable of accomplishing. He should offer sacrifice to be able to act like a rich man. He would be popular thorghtout the whole world.


OGUNDA MEJI 9

Ifa says this person is looking here and there for Ire Aje. He should offer sacrifice and his Ebo would be accepted on the day the vulture eats out of the ebo.


OSA MEJI 10

Ifa says this person should be devoted to Shango and perform Ebo that would make him prevail and see the end od his foes. Will also becomes a great traveller.


IKA MEJI 11

Ifa says this person should avoid loss, sickness and unhappiness in his life . Perform sacrifice.


OTURUPON MEJI 12

Ifa says this person would become a very important person in his or her lifetime and advised to perform a sacrifice.


OTUA MEJI 13

Ifa says this person would become renowned and successful. will become leader of people but he should offer a sacrifice.


IRETE MEJI 14

Ifa says this person would succeeded in the presence of the enemies.


OSE MEJI 15

Ifa sees the blessing of children. Ifa says you should offer sacrifice.


OFUN 16

Ifa says this person should perform Ebo so that all the good things of life will come to meet with him.

tintingz:
Is it innate or learned?

emphaty can be learned....so it is both inate and learned .

tintingz:
Do animals have empathy?

Yes they do , some even feel for others species.

eitsei:
the time is 5:48pm at the time of writing this post and the person was allegedly killed before now which means it happened during the day but your photo evidence was taken at night, I don't understand maybe Nigeria now has a time difference with some parts in osun state I

that is a solid evidence to refute it anyway.

I can't defend what I actually don't have a first hand information, but i presume it might have happen before today

Following this election with kin interest. Though not present physically but I am abreast with current information.

From a reliable source, this is the picture of the pdp youth leader that was killed in ife north.

kkins25:
Vaxx, hey i was thinking about "curse" yesterday. Didnt realized you had a thread on that already.
Form your OP are you saying a babalawo cannot influence someones life negatively?
Are you saying a mom cannot curse her son?
Or to sum it up, do you mean any ordinary verbal curse has no effect on the victim? Please elaborate. Thank you. Hope your doing fine.

babalawo or mom can influence curse on their victim negatively, but not in a magical way that people have been programmed to believe.

It is called nocebo effect. our mind is very sensitive thaf it can influence our thought and action to have both positives and negatives consequences. For example by placebo effect, if we think we'll heal by taking a pill that contains only water, we will heal.

But the nocebo effect is exactly the opposite. If we think something bad it's gonna happen because someone "cursed" us, we will be able to have real symptoms of real illness.


So actually it is not babalawo spell or mom cursed that magically work but our programmed mind.

It is advisable to unshackle ourself from this ignorance so that it does not spread to our children.


Am fine. Thanks you.

How can he use physics (effective science) to disprove or approve gayism. .... even in affective science, it is still debateble because scientific method that is used for this study of emotion, feelings, is a question for philosophy of science and epistemology.


I am of the opinion science is a wrong tools to conduct research on gay and lesbianism.

Alexaonfleek:
The guy was actually being creative..
At least its better than all those boring ones I see everyday. Nice tummy by d way

i also love the jiggly belly.

Beautiful concept, very creative. That aside, to some of you insulting the guy because of his pot belly, the guy only contain multitudes in which he is confidence to display. Some of you must be afraid of your skinny body, why shouild a guy be slim. If not fat at least be muscular. HE HAS fat, but he is not fat. His identity is much more than that.

hopefulLandlord:
second one is actually "argumentum ad populum"

These fallacies are the same things Christians use but you seem to be prdesenting them as though Christians don't

this is true for both side's. But hardly will any Muslim validate his conviction base on miracle/magical experience. It is much common for christain to do so.

HardMirror:
In fairness to our muslim brothers here on nairaland, i created this thread so there would be a balance.

As a muslim, share the wondrous miracles your have enjoyed from the mercies of Allah. As some people assume and think muslims dont enjoy any miracles or answers to prayers.

Share the prayers God has granted you answers to and other miraculous experiences you have had as a muslim.

Thank you

unlike christain, most Muslim will only base their convintion on allah not on personal direct miracle /magic like thier fellow christain but rather on pure logical fallacies which include ......

Argument from ignorance. This is the claim that something is true because others cannot explain why it is not true. For example: “If you don’t know who kept the coffee mug here, then you can’t disprove that a magical lizard did not put it here. So you should believe with me that a magical lizard exists.”

Argument from populace.....the claim that something is true just because over a billion Muslim accept its true. For example Koran is infalable.

However, if you ever meet a clever Muslim, he will rather discuss the nature of God, science, ethics, and all of that instead of focusing on just his specific Islamic texts. He may go further to support its discussion by using how some Islamic caliphate introduce iscientific techniques that first find their way to Europe, such as an astrolabe, a device for measuring the position of the stars and planets and likewise Scientific progress in Astronomy, Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Geography and Philosophy.

In my bias veiw, a clever Muslim may be more intellectually sound than his fellow christain. I have engage few of them..

frozen70:
Their mates goes to Europe, make money through sex establish themselves with their proceeds and still get their permanent residents over there

They prefer to stay in Ghana of all country.

What's the difference between Nigeria and Ghana

Them still be learner sha

They are likely to make money than Europe. Europe is already expensive and a taste of black women is not that rampant.

Ghana which is less expensive and more sex rewarding can do the magic better than Nigeria . It is much expensive than Nigeria, there are demands much more for black women than Europe.


The diffrence between the country in terms of prostitution lies on the money payed to sex workers.

Excuzeme:
According to some people here, these women were forced to become sex workers!
They should be granted citizenship and the person who assisted them needs to go to jail.


Ooh, l forgot, Ghana is not Britain.
They are out of luck.

They were never forced to be sex worker rather they have the intention before getting in thru the road to ghana.

Ghana pays well for the exchange of this sex service better than Nigeria and likewise they are staying far from home where it is likely no ones know them.

CodeTemplar:
The Law may punish murder, adultery, and theft but should it attempt to punish personal sins like alcohol intake and forniication?

This is meant for Muslims and Christians alike and I purposely placed it on Saturday (between Friday & Sunday).

Yes, but it depends on what foundation is the society founded upon. If the constitution is founded to support the religious ideology then it is all welcome like vatican city or christain republic of zambia. But if the nation is founded on a secular system, then it needs not to neccasrily adopt it.

In this context, sins will be defined. If they are actions that the law proscribes, then they are crimes, and we could develop a system in place to deal with them. For example , prostitution in Nigeria is regarded as a crime and it is a sins according to both Christian and Muslim .

But if they are actions that the law is neutral about or did not proscribed, then it should be discarded unless there is accomodation for the said sins to be punished by the law in the constitution.


But base on my personal view .sins or any crimes at all involving punishment is a symptom of yet to developed nations. the emphasis should be on reforming the criminal/sinner rather than punishing them. Punishment benefits nobody even God.

Isn't this similar to what Jesus went thru?

I am not a Shia nor Sunni. But try to understand this.
This ritual of self flagellation is somewhat similar to that of Mexican / Philipino Christians. When I try to verify online on it. I realised it is more of an emotional practice that takes one more closer to their beloved. There are this so much love of their beloved that they want to feel (taste) the pain that He went through. Not all Catholics engage in self flagellation, likewise only ~5% Shias engage in self flagellation.

I condemn this act but we should not see as it is only partaning to Muslim only

Even christain do

Awol1:
The irony of life...

While African women ( I didn't call Edo girls o) are running to Asia and Europe to prostitute, these Chinese girls Went to Kenya of all places to prostitute.

Is our lord not good?

they are white prostitute in Nigeria too... even of noble country like Americans and Britain.

But they only operate with expatriate, you have to join the community of expatriate before you can be linked up.


In Ghana and cote dviire, I have meet some in club house and casino hall.

sinequanon:
Science, itself, IS FAITH BASED. Unlike mathematics, which postulates it axioms, science ASSERTS its axioms.

No learned person will argue if science is not a faith base, but the faith base position of science differ from that of believer, science faith base is rooted in established/empirical evidence. For example it will always be dark at night. This is a verified truth that is likely to happen all the time.

In mathematics, axioms are viewed as initial ASSUMPTIONS

.The thing is, the axioms use in scientific method is for all practical purposes/uses and it is mathematically provable through probability theory. That bayes theory.(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem)wh ich means as one believe that mathematics is correct, one must also believe the scientific method approaches is "truth." Unless the very individual is speaking base on ignorance Go learn, I doubt you to be mathemcian, no sound academia will postulate this nonsense. .

So Could mathematics be wrong? Yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems).

Moreover, even if mathematics does end up contradicting itself, its unlikely to affect probability theory which really relies more on arithmetic (of which another formulation could be found).

In science, axioms are treated as FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS. They are DOGMA. Science is founded on FAITH in DOGMA.

i think your ability not to see your wrongness and criticised your own writing base on what others are presenting to you is dogma on its own .

I advice You to better your ignorance by reading on Wikipedia, ""theory of relative of wrong or any other public source if you will not see it as brainwashing. But this is a summary of it . ""When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

Science is a theory that provably approaches the true laws underlying the universe. The work of scientists is to update, upgrade and falsify existing theory. This is the way science faith works, it is ready to be adjusted as new evidence state otherwise, law of relativity came to modify gravitational theory.

As you can see from this thread, it is pointless arguing with people who are brainwashed by the DOGMA of science. All they do is repeat the dogma, while lacking insight into them. They don't address the issues because they cannot -- they lack the background and insight to know what the issue is, or realize that they are spewing DOGMA. Hence their incessant repetition and regurgitation of science PR.

I think you spew dogma more than the rest of us here. In fact, your postulation shows you had very little information of what you typing, how can you be seperating mathimatics from science. The later validate the former, without the later , the former is useless.

As soon as you assert initial ASSUMPTIONS as "TRUTHS", you have crossed the line into FAITH, and that is what modern science has done.i think your ability not

Yes , Science is faith base that strives to provide evidence which is testable, measurable and re-produceable, therefore establishes a truth that is base on evidence. That is, if I do this under these conditions, this is what will happen. This is indeed a rational faith that rested on knowledge .

sinequanon:
In science, axioms are treated as FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS. They are DOGMA. Science is founded on FAITH

You are always confusing yourself, I am here to correct your error, don't have your time yet, we respond to you flawed post when at my spacious time.

Faiths in science are a bit different from other faith of believers, Nor dogma that you are trying to claim.scientific faith rested on research to support them that have been accepted as true for the sake of mental convenience . The faith made in science are based on observations about the natural world and form the foundations of hypotheses and theories. Scientific as include the idea that observations about the world around us have natural explanations and that these occurrences are predictable. For instance, if you were to drop a ball, you may predict that the ball will fall down unless another force makes it move in another direction. The assumption/ faith is that the ball will fall down because of gravity.

budaatum:
Choices of desires, perhaps? As in choosing positive chanda desires and not negative tanhā desires?

there is not pleasent chanda, and at apoint Chanda must be abandon when it is ripe to do it. With thanha which is closely translated as craving, you might be wrong...


Take a look at

this.....http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.022.than.html

How does one tell the difference between desire and craving.

sinequanon:
A very relevant question is, "what do we mean by science?" If

This question has been answer over time yet you still could not make sense out of it.

the definition is too loose, then science can lay claim to all progress in human deliberation.

The word loose here is subjective and it needs adequate explanation.... regarding progress, it will depends on what you mean. But if you mean human progress as it is measured base on what is consider objectively as standard of living, then we have adequately made undeniable advance on technology and agriculture which science play a leading role.

So I asked, "do animals do science?"

yes i earlier gave example of crows.

Animals investigate, experiment and learn, too, but is it science? I say not. Science is not just "tinkering" or trial and error. It is narrower than that. It excludes as "invalid" certain modes and patterns of observation. The justification for this exclusion is a value judgment, not rigorous logic

You are now philosophising, philosophy itself is a value judgement, flexibility and adaptability which are the concepts that are formed through philosophizing. You seem to be asking /suggesting if science can be interpreted with such veiw ? Or in agreement with such tendency Which is a category of thinking through specific subsets of philosophical thought. And i said if that is the case It will only lead to tautological conclusion because Science follow an objective model .so it is a critical judgement Which is not base on personal.bias

scientific methodology is base on rigorous, logical and inflexible act. it a critical judgment , I shall be given diagram illustration below to better position this argument.

The question is how good a value judgment it is. What, if anything, do we sacrifice or compromise in this narrowing of outlook?

science is a critical judgment which is simply base on measuring and quantifying, that is base on generally acceptable phenomenon.

"

Tinkering" is not science, but many technological discoveries have come about almost by accident. Inquisitiveness, tinkering and alertness have been the important factors, rather than any attempt to find uniform, underlying principles of the "universe". Often the proceeds of the "scientifically invalid" tinkering make their way into technology long before a scientifically satisfactory explanation has been agreed upon. Science cannot retrospectively call such discovery "science" just because they become viewed as "useful" and "progressive". Yet, that is what it tends to do. It is a circular and empty argument which arbitrarily defines science as "progress". The value judgment that is supposed to give science its credibility is based on some hyped, romanticized and contorted history of delivering utility

Not so true, tinkering might not neccasrily be science, but it is base on the informed knowledge it pursuit to process it's own information to do something. And if inqusitveness is the main factor leading to technology then what it is doing is science, science does not appear to formerly become science, science begins with the use of applying critical judgment to validate its position and explanations,

Even on a philosophical point of view , not much has really been done since Ancient Greece, besides a couple of Enlightenment thinkers here and there.

Social progress, such as equality for women, homosexuals, etc., is not progress. It is rather a turning back of regressive "progress" caused by dogmatic fairy tales.

The rest? Governments, technology, even literature has been allowed by scientific progress the root of inqusitive.


The below diagram is what science is all about, and in a valid opinion, I say, human progress start with science.

Hey what do you think?

As we know, ethics, and bioethics is a very fascinating field with complex explanation. They are many variables to be considered when trying to validate this ethical position.

How will this be accepted among my religion brethren? Considering the position of baptism among the Christian and that of jamiyatul ummal among the Muslim faithful. We there be any room to incorporate them as member of society?

Pragmatically it's alway useful to have different perspectives. What do you think?

Nysc is not the reason behind her resignation(far from it) and it is not in your interest to know because you are not part of the political mafia

My journey within some west African state indicate Hausa can work as our lingual franca in our region ....

Yoruba also show some progress too but not as Hausa.

Igbo did not do better that much apart from Nigeria.

In Nigeria here, we should adopt pidgin or peherps we can have three multiple official language which we be basically Yoruba, Hausa and igbo at least to suppress this eurocentric social order.

It seems our government simply pretend Nigeria pidgin doesn’t exist and English is the only official language in the country.

I am always disappointed seeing Nigeria lawmaker deliberating on Nigeria most important issue in a colonial language.

A Chinese man once said that if you want to colonize a man forever , teach him your language.

MrPresident1:
Dollar is under pressure

If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

The USD will remain the reserve currency of the world simply because it is the dominant political, economic and miltary superpower.

Most rich people in China, the Middle East, Russia, Japan, even in Nigeria ... all stash their wealth in the USA because they know their governments cannot be trusted with their wealth.

As long as the USA has the most transpaerent and predictable government system in the world it's economy and influence will remain strong.

Are yiou aware that Russia is paying 17% interest on the Rouble and the USA is paying 2%.yet investors are willing to sell the Russian Rouble to buy the USD.

Yes nothing lasts forever but the USA may last far longer than most simply because there are no threats. Unless there is global recession that will push massive fright, which will allow people to hold on to their currency.

Even with the case of China, unless it become a transparent democracy and that would create a longterm threat. I see no trend in that direction.


"" IT IS OUR CURRENCY BUT IT IS YOUR PROBLEM"" FORMER US SECRATRY JOHN CONELLY

adedoyin393:
_Your thread_! Listen to your supposedly unemotive self. Vaxx, let me inform you that I am now going to specifi y follow you so that I don't miss any post you make. I hope you clearly understand the implications of this!

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