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When are Nigerian universities going to upgrade their BSc computer science outline? They are taking the fun away from Computer Science


COURSE OUTLINE: ASTON UNIVERSITY UK
Year 1

Information Systems and Databases (CS1050)
Computational Reasoning and Communication (CS1060)
Introduction to Computer Systems (CS1170)
Internet Computing (CS1240)
Mathematics for Computing Professionals (CS1260)
Java Programming Foundations (CS) (CS1310)
Java Program Development (CS1410)
Computer Systems Organisation (CS1420)

Year 2

Group Project (CS) (CS2010)
Software Engineering (CS2020)
Programming Language Concepts (CS2130)
Computer Graphics (CS2150)
Professional and Social Aspects of Computing (CS2160)
Operating Systems (CS2230)
Human-Computer Interaction (CS2260)
Data Structures and Algorithms with Java (CS2310)
Introduction to Computational Intelligence (CS2320)
Internet Applications and Techniques (CS2410)

Year 3 - Optional placement year

EAS Study Placement Year (SEP001)
EAS Industrial Placement Year (SEP002)
EAS Study/Work Placement Year (SEP003)

See placement year section below or find out more about the Aston placement year.
Final Year
Core modules:

Individual Project (CS3010)
Information Security (CS3190)
Testing and Reliable Software Engineering (CS3270)
Software Project Management (CS3360)

Optional modules:

Computer Animation (CS2420)
Mobile Design and Development (CS3040)
Enterprise Application Technology (CS3160)
Natural Language Processing an Applications (CS3180)
Geographic Information Systems (CS3210)
Multimedia Information Systems (CS3320)
Image and Video Processing (CS3330)
Multi Agent Systems (CS3340)
Interaction Design (CS3410)
Data Mining (CS3440)
Game Development (CS3450)
Enterprise Computing Strategies (CS3460)
Advanced Database Systems (CS3800)
Computational Intelligence (CS3910)

culled from http://www.aston.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/eas/bsc-computer-science/





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Course outlines B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
1st Year 1st Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
Federal University, Katsina

S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 MTH111 Elementary Mathematics I 3 Core
2 MTH121 Elementary Mathematics II 3 Core
3 PHY111 General Physics I 2 Core
4 PHY121 Experimental Physics I 1 Core
5 CMP111 Introduction To Computer Science 2 Core
6 CHM101 General Chemistry 2 Core
7 CHM161 First Year Practical Chemistry I 1 Core
8 GST111 Communication in English I 2 Core
9 GST121 Nigerian People Culture and Anti Cultism and Social Vices 2 Core
10 GST131 Introduction to Computer Science 2 Core
First Semester, 100 level
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1st Year 2nd Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 MTH111 Elementary Mathematics I 3 Core
2 MTH121 Elementary Mathematics II 3 Core
3 PHY111 General Physics I 2 Core
4 PHY121 Experimental Physics I 1 Core
5 CMP111 Introduction To Computer Science 2 Core
6 CHM101 General Chemistry 2 Core
7 CHM161 First Year Practical Chemistry I 1 Core
8 GST111 Communication in English I 2 Core
9 GST121 Nigerian People Culture and Anti Cultism and Social Vices 2 Core
10 GST131 Introduction to Computer Science 2 Core
Second Semester, 100 level
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2nd Year 1st Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 MTH211 Mathematical Methods I 3 Core
2 MTH221 Elementary Differential Equations I 3 Core
3 MTH241 Linear Algebra I 2 Core
4 CMP211 Data Structures and Algorithms 2 Core
5 CMP221 Computer Programming I 3 Core
6 CMP231 Introduction To Information Systems 2 Core
7 GST211 History and Philosophy of Science 2 Core
8 GST221 Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution 2 Core
9 STA211 Probability I 2 Elective
10 PHY221 Thermal physics 2 Elective
11 CMP241 Computer Electronics 2 Elective
First Semester, 200 level
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2nd Year 2nd Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 MTH212 Introduction to Numerical Analysis 3 Core
2 CMP212 Computer Programming II 3 Core
3 CMP222 Introduction To Information Technology 2 Core
4 CMP232 Logic Design 3 Core
5 CMP242 Object Oriented Programming 3 Core
6 CMP252 Networks Fundamentals and Protocols 2 Core
7 GST212 Introduction to entrepreneurial Skills 2 Core
8 GST222/232 Communication In French/Arabic 2 Core
9 STA212 Probability II 2 Elective
10 MTH232 Abstract Algebra I 2 Elective
11 CMP262 Introduction to File Processing 2 Elective
Second Semester, 200 level
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3rd Year 1st Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 CMP311 Introduction to Digital Design and Microprocessors 3 Core
2 CMP321 Computer Architecture& Operating Systems I 3 Core
3 CMP331 Introduction to Web Design 2 Core
4 CMP341 Compiler Construction I 2 Core
5 CMP351 System Analysis and Design 3 Core
6 CMP361 Management Information System 2 Core
7 CMP371 Data Base Design and Management 2 Core
8 GST311 Introduction to Entrepreneurial Studies 2 Core
9 CMP329 Lab Field Work for Mathematical Sciences II 1 Core
10 STA311 Operations Research 2 Elective
11 MTH351 Numerical Analysis I 3 Elective
12 STA321 Analysis of Variance I 2 Elective
First Semester, 300 level
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3rd Year 2nd Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 CMP399 SIWES 6 Core
Second Semester, 300 level
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4th Year 1st Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 CMP411 Organization of Programming Languages 3 Core
2 CMP421 Data Communication/Networks 3 Core
3 CMP431 Artificial Intelligence and Expert System 2 Core
4 CMP441 Computer Architecture& Operating Systems II 2 Core
5 CMP491 Seminar 1 Core
6 CMP451 Software Engineering and Management 2 Core
7 CMP461 Computer Graphics and Animations 2 Core
8 CMP471 Cryptography, Network Control & Security 3 Elective
9 MTH461 Numerical Analysis II 3 Elective
First Semester, 400 level
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4th Year 2nd Sem., B. Sc. Computer Science and Information Technology
S/N Code Course Title Credits Category
1 CMP422 Special Topics in ICT 3 Core
2 CMP432 Systems Modeling and Simulation 3 Core
3 CMP442 Cloud Computing 2 Core
4 CMP452 Structured Programming 2 Core
5 CMP462 Introduction to Data Mining 2 Core
6 CMP492 Project 5 Core
7 MTH392 SIWES 6 Elective
8 MTH472 Numerical analysis III 3 Elective
Second Semester, 400 level

hummmmm, i told a friend that is a waste of time and resources to graduate with a degree in computer engineering in Nigeria due to lack of infrastructure that support it...not even knowing that the case of computer science is worst... the NUC is toothless

Germany offer more practical oriented course than UK in computing

Martinez19:
Religion throws no illumination to life. Besides, the truthfulness of religious claims is the crux of this issue. Even if religion is positively influencial those that make the claim true?

A true claim is a proposition that a particular person or believe system hold to be true , it does not necessarily mean that is absolute.....at least ....atheism make their own truth claim.... they specifically claim that no deity or deities is existing....religion on the other hand make claim on human nature or laws of nature....

for you to conclude and say religious claim is false ,you must have carry out the method of truth verification..... so i put it to you, how do you verify truth claim? religious has provided two method of truth verification....the materialistic aspect(the use of the five senses) and its opposite(the spirituality)....

Ever8054:
thank you my brother... you dey mind this ones?..sheun don create nairaland for everything to come dey claim atheist wey them no even know the meaning.....

This is a direct quote from an anonymous author ....

''When I light an electric torch…I don't judge its power by looking at the bulb, but by seeing how many objects it lights up…The value of a religious, or more generally, a spiritual way of life, is appreciated by the amount of illumination it throws upon the things of this world.''

Peter5694:
I will try as much as possible to cut the long story short!

So i finally gained Admission into the University of Ilorin to study ECONOMICS "my dream course" but unfortunately for me the Level Adviser denied me final clearance saying i don't have GOVERNMENT in my O'LEVEL. I got 234 in my JAMB so it wasn't enough for ACCOUNTING, was thinking of switching to FINANCE but the school ended up moving me to dept. MARKETING still under Management Science. Don't know if I should migrate to FINANCE when i get to 200Level! or to Just remain in Marketing!

I can't say I comprehend the gravity of the Stress and hardship it takes to get a good paying JOB for dis our 9ja!

So abeg my already Experienced GrownUps and Graduates in the house i need your advise in terms of JOB Opportunities and Good Salary! Which Degree is BEST?

i think this is the most important question.....what will i be able to do with marketing or finance degree after graduation?

i can only advice you on the course content .....are you mathematical or literature incline ?.....if you are mathematical incline, a degree in finance will be stress free for you. but if not, you might end up poorly, because you will do lot of business maths. marketing on the other hand is literature focus with little maths related module. here you need to learn the master of chew and pour.....

so evaluate yourself on what is best for you.....

from a traditionalist point of view.....
evolution does not negate design, that is a correct observation from johnydon ....i even applaud that thread....

but the problems is this which my fellow theists are victim of, is calling God an intelligent designer .....God is more than an intelligent designer....calling GOD an intelligent designer will amount to the tendency of looking for God in the gaps of scientific explanation....God evidence is beyond science reach......God is not a testable object which is the main point of science.

God is the one who imparts being to the whole of created reality and who enables all of the powers of causation within creation.GOD is simply an explanation of every natural phenomenon and not to be found in the gap.......so johnnydon was wrong when he said God design is not perfect.....you can not explain GOD through science.....all creature live and move and have their being in God. manifesting in their divine logos


GOD can be called any name so far it praise him......yahweh,allah, olodumare are languages,,,,,when i pray alone i call God by the name olodumare but when i am talking to non yoruba speaker, i either use GOD or jah....there is one GOD and he is the creator of all but we all choose to call him the name that fit our mental convenience.....let me ask you a question why do we call earth, earth? who do the naming ceremony?.......

every religion is valid so long it promote love and peace..... i agree some doctrine of much of them may not be perfect but there is no absolute laid back religion

atheism can not offer or replace the benefit of a religion .....ko le work

Eldavis:
Hmmmm…..
For u too be in or belong in a particular religion, you must hav a reason, dere must b somtin dat makes dat religion difft dat makes u want too belive
As for me I dnt nid to quote the bible to tell u dere is a God…
Hav u eva prayed? For somtin in particular n u gt it?
Hav u eva been sick n u prayed within mins d pains were gone?
Hav u eva experience peace when u tot it would neva come to u

If dere is no God… den who ans d prayers?
Who made healthy wen u prayed for healing?
Who gave u dat tin u prayed ?

Apart frm all dis, u see miracles day by day…
U read dem, u hear of dem, som science hav nt been able to explain……

Wit all dat even without reading the bible to see his works…. Dat alone should tell u somtin

you do not need to explain all these.....most atheist are materialistic .....they want to touch and see God before they can be satisfy that God exist or perhaps every new born baby should come with a labelled that will read '' made from GOD''

johnydon22:
Define science



If you did understand science i doubt if you would ask a question such as this..

can you shed more light on this....this is what i understood about life creation according to science..... the fundamental unit of life is derived from the chemicals called amino acids. amino acids can form naturally either in a lightning strikes and other energetic phenomena but
how did we get from amino acids to RNA, the fundamental unit of advanced life......what about the doctor catfishbelly and agentofallah?

johnydon22:
Do you at all understand what science is?

science is derived from Latin word "scientia" means knowledge.

"Organized and formulated knowledge of natural objects and phenomena derived from verifiable observations and experiments" SIR RICHARD GREGORY

A very philosophical and thought provoking question, and it may take the entire lifetime to find the answer.But it is not worthwhile to move forward and discover our possibilities,which as a matter of fact are unlimited? yes, unlimited.

ALL other form of creature have limitations except the human form .A plant will stay as a plant,flowers will blossom and die out and another will blossom again. a dog is born as a dog and die as a dog.in between birth and death. it possibilities are largely limited to being faithful to its master. the spider has been making the same kind of webs his predecessors made.the birds have been making the same next for millions of years. Meanwhile we humans have progressed from those primitive days of haunting with a club and eating raw meat to these modern civilized days of aircraft, computers, restaurant etc....

it is not a small achievement to set foot on the moon , to discover another planet different from us,and we are making breakthrough into the unknown. day by day.......

so what is our purpose on earth ? all advances and discoveries reflect the materialistic aspect of our purpose, and we have achieved tremendous material success.but it is only one side of the coin ...our entire nature moves according to the law of opposite. after days comes night , and heat after cold and death after birth .imagine if this law of opposite began to malfunction ? NO night after day, no heat after cold,and no death after birth .could we survive in such a scenario?the best bet we will not. then how do you think we could survive without the opposite part of the materialistic purpose , without the spiritualist aspect of the two fold journey of life on planet earth?


A Gurdip harl work with my own modification..

this is a purely bias topic.....

base on the Constitution , Ghana, Nigeria Tanzanian, Burkina Faso apart from Pakistan are not a religious country....they are secular state

why not the GDP of these full fledged religious nations UNITED ARAB EMIRATE, SAUDI ARABIA, QATAR, ISRAEL etc.....you will realize you will be wrong....


there is nothing wrong with religion, it is the war of ideas that needs peace....

Humanity must learn to communicate via language (with rationality) and not by emotional or physical violence.

Take away religion,humans will still be selfish, fight and kill each other......it is human nature..... religion aim is to check and balance these natural attitude of ours so that the society can be a better place for us ........

ScienceWatch:
What a pity, when the Atheist mind is gripped in the vice of scientific superstitions.

I am not in the habit of derailing globe shaking Threads, so let us examine the HIDDEN TRUTHS contained in the OP. Many thanks to JacksonD7

i ask him to read an article , instead of him to read and understand. he is looking for where precisely the article make the distinct difrence of objective and subjective....if he arrive becoming an atheist through this attitude, then he can never find GOD.....

i do not want to say he lacks understanding......

dalaman:
Yes, some aspects of Maths and science. Example the multiplication table is the same the world over, it is clerk concise and agreed upon by everybody the world over, even if you have questions about it once you study and understand ot you'll find your answers. The cell theory in boiology or the characteristics of living things is the same and agreed upon the world over(MR NIGER D).

Is there any thing about religion any religion or its doctrine that is acceptable the world over, and when people study it they will all accept and come to the same conclusion?

let me do justice to your assumptions....




yes, some aspect of mathematics are generally the same all over the world. for example 2+2=4 . this can be term as objective mathematical truth. But, in fact, it is only true relative to a certain set of proposition. You and I are free to choose different precept, and 2+2=4 may be false for me but true for you. So, it is clearly not a completely objective truth.it is a just a kind of agreement to achieved mental convenience....

mathematical truth depends on our free subjective choice of axioms , it is not completely objective. However, if we both adopt the same axioms, we will both necessarily agree upon what is true and what is false. In that sense, mathematical truth is objective, but only if we agree to regulate our subjective choices in the same way. you can read further here


https://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiFkMrtoOvYAhWIJuwKHXklCOcQFgguMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmath.vanderbilt.edu%2Fschectex%2Fccc%2Fchoice.html&usg=AOvVaw0a--5bbbCCF4zBXIzlsLYY

Now, let dive into objectivity in science. using the empirical model, a 100-yard length of a football field is an example of an objective truth that most people agree upon . But, in fact, according to relativity, intervals of length are only well defined relative to our choice of reference frame. Such choice is a free, subjective choice. You can choose one frame, and I can choose another. And the football field will have one length in your frame and another length in mine. We can say the length of the field is objective only if we agree to tailor our subjective choice of reference frame in the same way, e.g., we both adopt the frame of the football field.

the example i made here point out to the fact that we can treat something as objective only to the extent that we define and explicitly specify the subjective conditions under which it is defined or measured. Objectivity arises as the result of imposing common agreement on subjective choices in our definitions and procedures.

i will end by saying The objective arises by constraining the subjective.


you can read further here again........https://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjikea-pevYAhXQ1qQKHXceA7QQFghAMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphysics.bu.edu%2Fpy106%2Fnotes%2FRelativity.html&usg=AOvVaw1wg4lFkjC6rYe1VwmBb-KWhttps://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjikea-pevYAhXQ1qQKHXceA7QQFghAMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphysics.bu.edu%2Fpy106%2Fnotes%2FRelativity.html&usg=AOvVaw1wg4lFkjC6rYe1VwmBb-KW

your question.....i put in quote ''Is there any thing about religion any religion or its doctrine that is acceptable the world over, and when people study it they will all accept and come to the same conclusion?'' dalaman

my reply ..... NO, even within the religion, there is no general acceptable dogma....Christianity and Islam are divided into many set today because of the difference in their subjective views......

budaatum:
I posted the article, and had read its 5035 words (including references) before posting it. I read it again before I slept last night, and still found nowhere where it says

"objective evidence is base on general held believe"

I wonder if you read the article? I know that you can not have understood it since you claim it says what is not said in the article. I asked you for the exact bit that made you conclude what you did but you resort to name calling!

I hereby suspend the promise to respect and regard you.

i rest my case here, it been a waste of time on my part

iamdrfresh:
The question is simple...

"Is having sex with a sex doll a sin??"


You might wanna back ur facts up with d scripture tho..


Cc Lalasticlala
fynestboi
mynd44

religiously, sex with a doll will be consider mastubation ....so the question is is mastubation allowed ? Islamically , the verdict is No why in Christendom, there are diverse opinion..... He depends on how you can interprete the Bible......


In ATR....it will be consider a taboo for having sx with a lifeless object.....in my own opinon , sex with a robot is worst than homosexual.

budaatum:
Please quote the exact phrase that lets you infer the following:

"objective evidence is base on general held believe why subjective is solely base on individual opinion".

Ithis is why someone says our youth now are lazy to read. If you can not read an article that is less than 5000 words ......how will you read a complete PhD thesis..... I don't like attacking personality in a debate but you are forcing me to do so.....you shoot yourself at the foot when you bring the table analogy

budaatum:
I accept your definition and assert one of them was there too.

lol, this further confirm why I said your will be a very poor student of philosophy..... In critical thinking, evaluating and analysing is the weapon of defence....you will look into my argument, bring out my flaws why making sure ,yours is flawless...... Your brethren can tell here,you did a very poor job by replying with a link to a table picture......academically it will be consider an abuse of logic

budaatum:
Somewhere on here, I said I shall henceforth respect you. I did not say you were stupid.

let your atheist brethren who will not be bias judged your reply with your way of reasoning, you will be a very poor student of a philosophy.... It is not an insult, it is a clear observation

hopefulLandlord:
General acceptance of a phenomenon does NOT make it objective

If the whole world says the earth is cone shape, it does not make it the objective shape of the earth, it seems I'll need Kingebukasblog here to explain further to you cuz I observe the other theists here are simply lapping up your posts without even thinking it through

Why not even google the meaning of objective and see how wrong you are?

kindly take your time and read....http://www.iep.utm.edu/objectiv/

ScienceWatch:
Yes Sir you have been better than the best scientist, dissecting the inner most beliefs and faulty thoughts of the most proud Atheist. I have learned much. Thanks also to Butterflyl1on the SS interrogator.

I have one question that remains unanswered Sir. Could you ask these Atheists on my behalf, "WHAT DO THEY OFFER HUMANITY."

i am sure this question will remain unanswered, the answer to this question will discredit atheist philosophy .....

Honestly speaking, the atheist lost this argument.....

Budaatum surprise me ....
Hopefullandlord dodge my question


Let me repeat it here again



.is there anything that we all assume is the same thing? Is there anything that no one has a question about?
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ScepticalPyrrho:
Now read your own comment above.

it seems am wasting my time .....am sorry dude

ScepticalPyrrho:
Read my post again...

you ask for evidence of God....I provide myself...... Or you do not also believe I exist.......

ScepticalPyrrho:
I want to offer a quick solution to this prolonged arguments...

The next person to comment should prove that God exists with verifiable evidence(s).

Pls, note that your response will be good for the whole of humanity, not just nairalanders

It is as simple as that.

objectively verify evidence.......my existence is an evidence of the existence of GOD......

but if you say am wrong, you have to provide me God definition ...... what is GOD?

butterflyl1on:
The attached images are my perception of what my table is.

whaooo....this is wonderful......i

budaatum:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=table&hl=en-GB&dcr=0&prmd=ivnsp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia8OelkefYAhXBKMAKHTRDDxwQ_AUIBigB

am sue your atheist brethren can testify that this techniques of answering question is poor? what is a table? that is my question ......this is not the way someone who consider believer stupid should defend his rational stand....this is indeed poor.... but i will play along

budaatum:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=table&hl=en-GB&dcr=0&prmd=ivnsp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia8OelkefYAhXBKMAKHTRDDxwQ_AUIBigB

you see yourself....this is what i accept to be table not yours

https://www.google.com.gh/search?q=arab+design+table&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ejXJQB17vhERHM%253A%252CC9OZHeioTfI2lM%252C_&usg=__OVnXkWPa95jE3MGW55IP7JansIM%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN6YH-kefYAhWB_qQKHYOoCYgQ9QEIKTAB#imgrc=ejXJQB17vhERHM: am sure butterfly1ion and sciencewatch will their own table definition

ScienceWatch:
Very good Sir. Now your next step is to take that table to a science lab. They will tell you that it is not as solid as it seems. It is entirely made up of swirling untouchable atoms, molecules etc.

Suddenly the table is not so objective after all.

wait , let him define table. he will overlap himself. he will realized what it term as table may not be table to you or me....logically, we will all have subjective definition

this is why socrate was very wrong when he said we should seek for absolute truth .....there is no absolute truth anywhere....only GOD IS THE TRUTH......

budaatum:
I was in a bar one day reading Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics.
This beautiful young girl comes up to me and asks me how I know the table in front of us was there.
So, I took her by the arm, held her hand turned upwards, and brought it down hard towards the table but she quickly pulled her hand away.
So I asked, is the table there?
She, grunted.

i love that analogy good

what is a table?

budaatum:
Where did you get this from?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/objectiv/ make sure you read

hopefulLandlord:
General acceptance of a phenomenon does NOT make it objective

If the whole world says the earth is cone shape, it does not make it the objective shape of the earth, it seems I'll need Kingebukasblog here to explain further to you cuz I observe the other theists here are simply lapping up your posts without even thinking it through

Why not even google the meaning of objective and see how wrong you are?

ok let me hold on a little.....what is objective evidence?

ScienceWatch:
@BudaAtum

When you say to Vaxx, "You obviously need to do some research on the topic at hand. You might want to read up on it here.
Good. You kept track.
I am saying the objective stands in its own right and has nothing to do with the eye of the beholder. This is the opposite of what vaxx said, so I imply vaxx's statement is false," you can make the needed correction later Sir.

If we consider that the mental experiences are the visible things that we take to be outside us, in this case the fallen tree. The thing itself is admittedly existent, but the character of the thing is what we have now found out and we have found it to be quite other than it is commonly thought to be.

BudaAtum, if you declare as in the bolded Red, that there are two separate facts, the fact of perception/subjectivity and the fact of an objective external material object, you have made a false analysis of sensation. The oneness of both idea and object is a discovery to which the subtle thinking of world religions and the sharp observations of good scientists inescapably lead us.

But this understanding emerges only after the hardest and most rigorous reflection, if one refuse to accept the anceint spiritual doctrines
Once this point is grasped, then one may say to himself: " I am aware of my awareness of this fallen tree," and he will then perceive that he cannot strip the second awareness from the tree in itself; they constitute an indivisible entity. Those who want to divide the facts, the tree known, into a perception of it on one hand, and its material objective substantiate on the other, who make perception a mental act and materialialty a non-mental thing, who challenges mind against matter, fall into a grievous fallacy. This is the downfall of Atheism.

What we can only know about the fallen tree is an idea, what we perceive is not a discovery but a mental construction. Those who deny this put themselves in the predicament of explaining away the inexplicable.

i salute your interpretation

budaatum:
Oh listen to yourself.

If you cared to notice, I said so myself, but you managed to disregard the argument involved and posited the counter to it which in effect makes your god a figment of your imagination! Or do you think the about three times I've said so on this thread is in error?

Stick with the discussion. Do not let your religious subjectivity stop you from seeing the objective truth!

how do you verify the objective truth?