₦airaland Forum

Austin82:
The way some Nigerians reason baffles me. They don't read between the lines. What they know is kill him, stone him, jail him & all that. One should wait & ask what will edwin clark & his cohorts gain in pulling Ibori down? Is it because he didn't give them their own cut of the loot? Is Ibori the only ex-governor that is corrupt? Is it not a fact that all the 36 states governors during obj's regime are corrupt? In fact el-rufai inclusive because we all saw what happened when he appeared in the hallow chamber.
Why is Ibori the only one being chased up & down?
EFCC has not starting fighting corruption. When they start we'l all know. EFCC should start from the top because we know of a man who spent $16.5Bn on power sector but we got darkness, towards the end of his tenure(when TTA failed) he sold 2 of our refineries, he awarded railway project that worths $8.3bn and paid in full. If that $16.5bn was utilized in the power sector, the unemployment wouldnt have reached this level & no Nigerian company would have moved to Ghana. So EFCC should go after him if they want to be taken serious.
I'm already writing a book to enlighten Nigerians about the major players during obj's regime because i have their full dossiers.
The intelligent Nigerians know that what EFCC is doing is what is obtainable in Nollywood. So they can't decieve us anymore.

Smart and good points!


i decry the pitiful and shambolic state of the corruption watchdog, more shameful is the fact that it is being used primarily as an instrument by some political bigots.

However,  in all these, i still take consolation in the fact that some corrupt past officials are being hunted, it is far better than nothing!. . . and logically we really can't expect them to bare fangs on them all at once, stuffs like these take some time, during which the commission collects information and builds up evidence.

Besides, the structure of the EFCC, i believe is built in such a way that does not give them a right to probe without petition and strong proof backing such petitions, i doubt they even have enough manpower to handle the cases at their disposal talk less of going after anybody the public perceives as being corrupt.

The more High profiled public looters they bring to book, the better for the country, so i'd join the hundreds of Nairalanders that scream kill him, jail him, stone him, as long as he is one of those who looted us dry!. . . and as for the other ex governors, well, we'd get em still.

Its Ibori's time, his chicken has come home to roost

This sounds like the normal stuffs we hear before every election.

Even Yaradua had a 7 point Agenda

Anybody can come up with nice speeches, even I can vie for the presidency if all it demands is a well thought up speech on how i can create a billion jobs

Abeg jor. . . we are tired of eating em lies already, let them try something else

frag:
Is it not a crime that he failed to move the country forward during his tenure?

There aren't laws against that------yet!

hakimi:
Please do something about gossiping! Which branch of Zenith Abuja your wife is working? And please her name and department!

Very funny for you to ask, no one will ever be that unreasonable to give you such details

redsun:
Proving his atrocities is quite simple.First and foremost,let him give a detail account of what he did with the[b] 12 billion dollars gulf-war oil windfall[/b].

The dude claims there is no such thing

Sun of god:
Professional financial investigators should be brought in to probe IBB.

His assets should be frozen with immediate effect, his passport seized and his movements and communications monitored.

At the same time interpol should look into his drug dealing activities. They can obtain his file from the CIA.

He's playing with fire.

Its more like a question of who will bell the cat?

With his wealth and influence, i doubt any probe on him will come down easy!

Ibrahim Babangida has thrown a challenge at Nigerians to prove that the billions of dollars he has personally acquired were not made through sheer hard work. He has boldly responded to charges of theft of public funds by demanding that those who make claims against him should prove the allegations or shut up.

Let's begin by making some quick deductions from Babangida's challenge. First, Babangida's has not said he does not have a lot of money. Secondly, and be careful in digesting this point, Babangida is not asserting he has not stolen public funds. And thirdly, the Evil Genius is not claiming his wealth has been acquired through legitimate means. The question he raised is not about honesty or integrity. All Babangida is saying is that whoever has the evidence should make it public; otherwise it is a closed case.

It is not at all surprising that the former dictator has chosen to use the conman's approach to wriggling his way out of the grave he dug for himself years ago. Regardless, the bold-face challenge is a change of tactics by the general, who has never before been in the habit of talking about his wealth. Babangida realizes that as a presidential candidate, if he ever becomes one, questions about his estate will come up. The statements are designed to quell those questions far in advance and set the tone for how he will brush off inquiries that sniff into the comfortable private life he has taken time to build and largely keep off pubic scrutiny.
In civilized societies, no person who seeks leadership position would so carelessly disrespect his potential employers by putting up not so much of a defense for an issue that is relevant and of active public interest. Babangida's cold what-can-you-do response is just another slap in the soft face of Nigerians.

The case against Babangida and the thousands of military rulers who have stolen billions of Nigeria's dollars over the years is simple. It requires only basic accounting - calculate all of Babangida's lifetime income (salaries and interests on legitimate investments outlined in tax returns) and deduct all from his current assets. If he has accumulated more than he legitimately made, he has to prove the discrepancy.

Using this method, it will be so easy even for Babangida to make a case. The rest of the process will be for Babangida to prove the source of his remaining wealth. Nigerians will need to be told if won a huge lottery or money at a casino that enabled him to do the things he has done with money. The people are curious to know if he inherited much of his wealth from his dad or an uncle. The voters deserve to know how he has been able to support his ostentatious lifestyle.

The onus of proof, ultimately, for the legitimacy of Babangida's material acquisitions is not on Nigerians. It is on him. He has to prove where he got the money to build the multi-billion naira mansion on the exclusive hill top of Minna. He has to prove that his private aircrafts were cheaper than his total salaries with the Nigerian Army. He has to prove that all the properties and business under his name and that of his children were bought from his pension. He must prove that his estate abroad, running into billions of dollars, was bought with his naira-denominated income for the less than 30 years in public service.

After Babangida has proved how he acquired his wealth, Nigerians can then begin to ask him how the Gulf Oil windfall, which is now causing him serious headache, was spent. He has to explain how the debt buy-back deals during his regime were conducted. He has to explain which companies that got contracts during his administration are indirectly linked back to him. It will also be neccessary to adopt the same method to probe the wealth of Babangida's friends and family.

We throw Babangida's challenge back at him. He is the one who has a lot to explain.

Tunde Odediran

http://www.againstbabangida.com/home/560-proving-babangidas-billions

Just dont tell me you have to use magnet to arrest the gun cos it seems you might be that dumb.

Buh seriously, can someone in all truthfulness be that dumb?

komekn:
The rules of criminal apprehension say well in fact there are no rules.

You don't give criminals an invitation you arrest them and if you can’t find them you declare them wanted, until you do find them.

And how exactly by legal standards is he a criminal when he hasn't been convicted by the court?

the dude is truly a funny character!

These are the kind of people who ought to represent us as Ambassadors or Information Ministers!

I believe some reformist lawyers ought to drag their behind to civil courts for this rubbish, it is totally criminal in nature and irritatingly deceitful as well. . . . the owner ought to forward petitions to the judicial office and seek legal means for the cost of damages the company did to him with their lies.

[flash=535,325]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/D9Ihs241zeg&feature=player_embedded#![/flash]

komekn:
Administrative error of dates is common place in Nigeria and does not constitute a material point of major contention and certainly not libel. Using the judgment of the reasonable man what is the dispute, James Ibori was, is and still is declared wanted for criminal offences, therefore what’s the point of contention, that they EFCC declared him wanted too quickly or did not take permission from him Ibori first.

Personally I think his suit will fail comprehensively, the issues of loss, damage as a consequence of libel again far from substantiated is at best facetious.

The only people that will laughing all the way to the bank are his lawyers who are taking him on a jolly good merry go round while they get their cut of that stolen loot.

Worry not it seems we will be seeing Ibori at the Old Bailey soon, it might be a better option jail in UK or in one of our 9JA jails , I am sure when he considers it he might beg to go to the UK, imagine breakfast at Okere or Wormwood Scrubs garri with roaches or baked beans and sausages,

EFCC was meant to invite him, and if he fails to honor the invitation, then they can declare him wanted not the other way round.

Nigerians being able to afford their Electric bills and Nigerians playing the rouges are quite two different things.

Do you really think if people had a choice of making their calls without toping up their phones, they wouldn't take that choice even if they had the means to pay?

The fact that someone ingeniously connected his electric mains after it was disconnected by the Authorities only shows lack of fail proof system from the PHCN themselves. Its just a simple case of Moral Hazard!

Its not everyone in the UK or the US that can afford to pay their electric bills either, those who can't afford it and got disconnected from the mains simply can't reconnect it because you don't find cables lying in close proximity to your house, and besides there are systems in place to counter against such.

Your statement and mentality is such that projects Nigerians as extremely poverty stricken and might not be able to afford their electric bills therefore, they don't deserve the luxury. The fact that you live in the west does not mean you are any richer than people at home and neither does it mean they deserve any less.

Many, many people take up honest although some, low paying jobs and can afford to pay their electric bills if given the incentive to do so.

Gosh i can't even believe we are having this conversation, next we will hear "Can Nigerians afford to pay for good health care?"

Let Fashola come out and empty his pockets, that's the only way we can know he's got nothing to hide.

I agree with SapeleGuy, EFCC went overboard in this case, they invited him to come on 17th and they declared him wanted on 13th!

Ibori might very well have a case here, but he should just forget about the 10bn, the most he can expect is apologies on the pages of newspapers.


let's see who laughs last

The rabbit is looking to catch the hunter!

He knows that with Aondoakaa out of power, that's definitely the last straw!

I love his strategy though, you gotta give it to him, his lawyers sure have brains and some balls! By the time his suit on EFCC is done, Waziri might be tired already.

The downside of it is, if court throws this suit out as baseless, then i will happily sit on my couch and eat pop corn as i watch EFCC drag his behind through the mud.

Some of the slightly wiser ones amongst the respondents came up with MTN Re-charge card as a cue to how things would pan out when " Light " comes to town. What they have forgotten is the mobile phone re-charge is an instrument dear to 99% of the population.

And "light" is no such dear instrument?

mschew. . .they made it sound like something serious!

Its normal, such things go missing all the time, it simply develop legs and walked into another account, and the accountants in Nigeria are too dumb to trace who withdrew and where the money was withdrawn,  . .WTF? was the money kept under a table or something?

A whole ship went missing, and even our newly lunched satellite was rumored to have been missing "in space" at some point.

If you wake up tomorrow and your neighbor is  Chinese, don't be troubled, Nigeria has simply gotten missing!

I love the forced fight, it works all the time!

Response:

"I like you too"

After 714 posts on Nairaland, poster still can't tell how relevant or irrelevant a topic is to Politics

what exactly is the purpose of this thread?

We really should be very careful about some statistics we generate on the spot without a good back up just in an effort to sound intellectual.

Where did poster get his result of 3% Nigerians having access to the internet?

Most Public and private tertiary institutions, have cybercafes, companies are not left out as well, infact, many developing towns in Nigeria have more than 2 cybercafes per street. . . . so where the héll did you arrive at your figure of 3% Nigerians having access to the internet?


Back to topic:

Saying Nigerians can't afford to pay their bills is preposterous at most.

If an average Nigerian can afford to spend twice as much on fuel to power up small generators, i see no reason why he/she can't afford his or her electricity bills.

the officers involved should be made scape goats

Their asses ought to be tried for attempted murder!

oya, Kosovo, if BCR maps you, you too should unleash your 'ibon' missile at him

Fair enough!

Kosovo will never go wrong with his matris patris equivocal scintallia of unexpected matringanagabzility

Be warned!!

The video to me is quite a mis representation of Lagosians and Nigerians as a whole.

Besides, it does nothing to improve the Nigerian image to the World.

An average German who has never been to Nigeria, on stumbling across videos like this will conclude Nigerians are scavengers, i wonder where the re branded product is

It wouldn't make sense to put so much weight on the result of the said research, and the topic can be seen as misleading at its best.

The said group claimed to have done research and came to conclusion based on 25000 face to face interviews of people in sub Saharan Africa with data obtained from over 19 countries.

That will give a rough estimate of 1315 interviews per country.

Anybody with the basic knowledge of statistics will know that using 1315 observations out of 150million population parameters shouldn't be counted as a conclusive evidence that indeed 71% of Muslims in Nigeria desire Sharia Law

Imeobong:
Just look at this pix again and it made me angry, why did he use all ten to shake this this criminal?

Just let the damn thing go, and if you have a problem with it, go drown yourself, no one will miss you anyway