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@AluTa: Yes, Paul did say That and I have read iT, just ThaT I simply do noT remember the parTicular porTion. Any day I do, I'd call ur attenTion to iT. |
@Aluta: one more Thing, as for me, my flesh can't control me. I'm test-driving cos I wanna know whaT I'm getTing inTo. You know I was engaged January (tho I called iT off). The guy and I knew for 6yrs Tho we weren't actually dating. When we agreed to get married, there was no sex. I knew I was gonna do iT but I wanTed To be sure the essence of The engagement ring wasn't to geT laid and so much more. In facT, I dinT even need To test-drive cos when I saw The shadow of what I could have goTten into? Holy molly! I knew There was no chance in hell I could marry him, and so much more. Me, sTricTly Test-driving I swear, a liTTle fun while at iT wouldn't hurT anyway. ![]() |
alutacontinua: Well, the fact that millions of people are doing it doesn't change the word of God. I get where you're coming from, I hate hypocrisy and I don't mingle with people that are into it. If you want to deviate from the word of God, deviate and let people know you're deviating, dt is wot i call deviating responsibly but I have seen a few people who stood for what they believed and I choose to follow after their footsteps rather than the ones who choose to go the other way. It's difficult, I am not disputing that and for someone like me, sometimes, it seems like an impossible task but as I said earlier on, one day at a time. Many people on this thread who have gone the opposite way are now trying to justify it. I am not even saying I cannot make a mistake or I have not made a mistake, I am saying we should stop justifying it with all these reasons: TEST-DRIVING, NOBODY IS PERFECT, etc...If all the people who have indulged in such on this thread would be sincere with themselves, the purpose was not to test-drive, their flesh took the better part of them and they gave in and here we are saying I test-drove. What is thatYou are right, everybody is free to make his or her own choices. I only spoke cos of the heighT of hypocrisy people spew. I don't follow anyone's footstep, cos I can't follow whaT I don't know. I only speak for myself. And To be honest, I don't Think se..x beTween inTending couple is a sin. I don't, bible sef is conTradictory o. Pls for the sake of learning, can u throw more light on ThaT porTion of the bible where st. Paul implied ThaT when an inTending couple have sex, its no sin? Pls.......... |
alutacontinua: Well, the fact that millions of people are doing it doesn't change the word of God. I get where you're coming from, I hate hypocrisy and I don't mingle with people that are into it. If you want to deviate from the word of God, deviate and let people know you're deviating, dt is wot i call deviating responsibly but I have seen a few people who stood for what they believed and I choose to follow after their footsteps rather than the ones who choose to go the other way. It's difficult, I am not disputing that and for someone like me, sometimes, it seems like an impossible task but as I said earlier on, one day at a time. Many people on this thread who have gone the opposite way are now trying to justify it. I am not even saying I cannot make a mistake or I have not made a mistake, I am saying we should stop justifying it with all these reasons: TEST-DRIVING, NOBODY IS PERFECT, etc...If all the people who have indulged in such on this thread would be sincere with themselves, the purpose was not to test-drive, their flesh took the better part of them and they gave in and here we are saying I test-drove. What is thatYou are right, everybody is free to make his or her own choices. I only spoke cos of the heighT of hypocrisy people spew. I don't follow anyone's footstep, cos I can't follow whaT I don't know. I only speak for myself. And To be honest, I don't Think se..x beTween inTending couple is a sin. I don't, bible sef is conTradictory o. Pls for the sake of learning, can u throw more light on ThaT porTion of the bible where st. Paul implied ThaT when an inTending couple have sex, its no sex? Pls.......... |
alutacontinua: You don't believe they were actually test-driving, do you? alutacontinua: You don't believe they were actually test-driving, do you?Well, Thank God for her o, but for me I haven'T seen. The people I see actually do one form of thing or The oTher. And iTs worse in The church! I used to sing into the church, buT The reason I stopped singing is this; wearing a sleeveless shirt, noT spag o was prohibiTed, in fact, if u dare u will be treaTed like a shi...t buT wiThin them They were fuc...king each oTher, The congregations were noT lefT out o, and They would mount the pulpiT in The morning? Wow! When I couldn't cope and I had a bf, I sTopped singing. Cos I can't smooch my bf all night and mounT The pulpiT, was scared God will strike me there. I really hate hypocrisy. My former colleague won't let us hear in the sTaff bus, early morning o, when u will be busy thhinking about ur life, preaching don start. If u don't listen to his preaching, u are a devil. Yet he smooches his gf, infacT, the babe's laps was his wallpaper. My course mate is a pasTor, Turned our deparTmenT inTo a mini church buT he is the firsT person thaT would sort every course. Then, one of Them came To ask for my hand in marriage. He told me no se..x before marriage and I said super. Whenever I went to visit him, I dare noT spend The nighT, I would either lodge in a hotel or come back home. BuT he kept on sexting me which I hated. The conTents of The TexT messages were so raw That I couldn't leave them in my inbox, neiTher did I reply. One day I called him to order, told him I didn't appreciate such Texts and what the hell happened to "no se..x?" He ran away since Then, never heard from him again, till today. He said he couldn't stand my guTs *whatever ThaT means* So AluTa, say for urself ok? In as much as we try to portray ourselves as gooder persons or whaTever, the quesTion is: who are we when no one is watching? How many of us actually follow The bible To the letTer? We are humans, we are noT infallible, buT honesTly, from whhat These my 2 small eyes have seen? Nne forgeT that thing biko. |
WheTher you tested oh: as in by inserTing the sim card in a phone, or u touched o, licked oh, sucked o, took iT Through the back door,etc all na the same. If u wanTed to heap everything on The feeT of faith, why touch? Why lick? Why suck? As far as The bible is concerned, they are all sins! Bible made it clear ThaT all sins are equal. I'm a sinner, I don't dispuTe That facT, buT iT would be double Tragedy if I lived a se...xually frusTraTed married life and sTill go To hell. Menh, I goTta enjoy one. If I wanna stay off sin completely, I will do iT compleTely! I can't say I wanna sTay off sin and yeT go down on a man I'm noT married To, suck and lick and still come out here and starT shouTing. That hypocrisy aT iTs peak! |
coogar: you people just like to write rubbish. get out of here with your holier than thou attitude. what's sinful in 2 people on their road to marriage having premarital sex? your sermon would have been taking seriously except that born again christians actually have the highest divorce rate.And the highesT rate of infidelity! |
CFCfan: @ vivianc: Your analysis dikwa solidMy dear, my faith never reach ThaT level, to buy engine wey I no Test? Nah! Even if na Twice or Thrice (That's if it possible) I go manage. But to noT do chacha? Nah. |
alutacontinua: English pleaseSorry boo, whatever I typed, I translaTed. |
Erm...... Abeg me no dey for ThaT agbakwa nnunu nne ya efefuo story, achorom ya chacha! Aga ebiTu ihe aka, mara ma odikwa sound. There are so many Things I need to find ouT jare: Can he geT it up? Can he hold iT up? For how long? What size? Can we connect se..xual....ly? Is he se....xually innovative or we only have to do it on The bed? Can he make me see sTars and speak in tongues? Does he have other horrible "bedmaTics" atTitude ThaT mighT Turn me off? Test driving answers iT for me. BuT for now, adikwa m celebraTe abi na celibate, how dem dey even talk? But when 'he' comes, we are not gonna buy without tesTing, anarom azu afia akpa. |
@Badosky: honesTly? Nah, I can't disown my family, neiTher would I leave a man I love. So we won't be married officially, buT we are gonna be having kids. weTin concern me?Scratch that! ![]() Honestly, I don't know what I'm gonna till I'm faced wiTh The siTuation. Obaro iru ifiri onu. |
@Oahrey: you can become an osu by association, That's one of the reasons parents forbid marrying Them. JusT like you become an American by marriage. |
Yes, The Osu casTe is also a belief, strong one! IT doesn't work for people who don't belief. That's why I Told u generations would outlive iT cos The generation won't believe it. As far as there is sTill generaTion who believes iT, it still exisTs and works for Them. Would I marry an osu? Yes, I would. Cos I personally don't belief in That buT my family does. I can fighT buT winning mighT noT be guaranTeed. I'm gonna tell u one other belief you mighT noT have heard before. Its a belief thaT children born Through C/S are fortified, charms don't have effecT on Them. I keyed inTo this belief sTrongly and it works for me. I did loTs of Things as a kid, u have no idea but my belief worked and sTill works for me. I don't believe I can be charmed, buT That doesn't mean charms don't exist. |
Idowuogbo: But wait o! If d so called fruit is forbidden, how come nothing ever happened to u?The fruiT wasn't poisonous, iT was jusT a belief, a belief which I didn't have. The gods don't kill people who are innocent. Some communiTies sTill believe osus would cause havoc if u marry Them and their belief works for Them. A yoruba man will marry same lady and noThing would happen To Them. The gods work with belief. JusT like in The olden days, a man would dig a land and put a sTick, tie read cloth around The sTick and be feeding it. In the morning he would drop a kola, sprinkle schnapps, and a fowl' blood There. What makes That thing powerful is not the stick, buT the incantaTions back by a strong belief. |
ogugua88: I'm confused. How did Vivian eat forbidden fruit and live to tell the tale? Is it still forbidden? I wonder what her reasons were for not telling anyone, seeing that she's fine.I didn'T tell anyone cos I'm from a Traditional family, my grand father was sTill alive. He would have insisted on some riTuals. I was only a kid. And yes, I did a whole loT of things as a kid. ![]() The udara was forbidden cos a god lived There, iT wasn't poisonous. |
@Badosky: I'm telling you facTs That I wiTnessed! With my 2 eyes, I did eat That udara tho, The sweeTest I have had cos They were very atTractive. I cleaned my mouth and didn't Tell anybody. Examples of sacrilege are: shedding of innocenT blood, burying an innocenT person alive, sex....ual relaTionship beTween blood relaTives, etc. |
@Oahrey: Nah, he doesn't practically belong to The god "ji" buT they enjoyed the idea of bearing powerful names, cos they believe names have effecTs in their lives.For instance, my name is chinazaekpere meaning God answers prayers, and most Times I really do believe in my name. Some people bore Agwu as names, Agwu was a radical god; very powerful. Sometimes when these people act in a radical way, They would believe ThaT iTs as a result of his name. |
Osu can never be compared To killing of things! Cos no physical harm was done to them. People shouldn'T say what they don't know! To The guy That said osu people commiTted sacrilege, does he even know the meaning of sacrilege? Sacrilege is an abominaTion against The gods of the land, that's desecration. The gods of The land; Agwu, Ogwugwu, Amadioha and co are just gods. You dare noT stand before him if u commit any sacrilege, u will be sTruck dead immediaTely. When the wraTh of The gods is upon you, nothing works for u cos u are no longer under his proTecTion. So if the osus commitTed sacrilege, They would have been wiped out by the gods, and there won't be descendants of osus cos The dead don't reproduce! Typical example is Arusi OkijA which is sTill very much in existence, don't even near there if u commiT sacrilege. Osus offered Themselves voluntarily as living sacrifice unto The gods, They lived in The shrines, and they prospered thaT The dialas even envied them. When the slave masTers came, a lot of dialas ran inTo these shrines to enjoy the protecTion the osus enjoy and They became osus by associaTion. Osus were never physically harmed, nor sacrificed, nor sold To slavery. They were never slaves To dialas either. They were owned by The gods! And everything owned by the gods cannoT be Touched! For insTance, a decade ago, an udara tree existed in our orie markeT square, a god named Ogwugwu lived There, becos of That iT was forbidden To eat from thaT udara Tree. It would ripe and fall in mass buT no body would pick nor eat it, well I did iT ouT of ignorance, as a Teen and I didn't mention it To anybody. AnoTher example is for native pear trees, when iT ripes The owners would call The masquerade To come and puT omu on iT for proTection, which signifies That iT now belongs To The gods, The owner cannot even touch iT till it fully ripes and a ritual would be performed and The omu removed. AT this moment The owner can harvesT it. To the guy That said they were fed to The Arusi? Fed? you cannoT feed a living Thing To the gods! This is why There is so much misconception abouT osus which sTarted from The european missionaries! If osus were cursed and unclean, Then why do some dialas bear osuji, osuagwu and the resT as surnames?. No diala would like To be associated with unclean names. Yes, in some communities, they Termed people That commiTTed sacrilege and were osTracised osu, but They are noT osu, thaT you call them osu doesn't make them one! The real osus jusT like the name implies are jusT who offered themselves as living sacrifice unto The gods, and were owned by gods. If you have a grandfaTher That's over 100yrs and you wanna know about osu, go home and ask him, cos They were The people That wiTnessed iT. @ iTsmodella: yes, There offsprings have To perform some rituals before They become diala. |
Osu can never be compared To killing of things! Cos no physical harm was done to them. People shouldn'T say what they don't know! To The guy That said osu people commiTted sacrilege, does he even know the meaning of sacrilege? Sacrilege is an abominaTion against The gods of the land, that's desecration. The gods of The land; Agwu, Ogwugwu, Amadioha and co are just gods. You dare noT stand before him if u commit any sacrilege, u will be sTruck dead immediaTely. When the wraTh of The gods is upon you, nothing works for u cos u are no longer under his proTecTion. So if the osus commitTed sacrilege, They would have been wiped out by the gods, and there won't be descendants of osus cos The dead don't reproduce! Typical example is Arusi OkijA which is sTill very much in existence, don't even near there if u commiT sacrilege. Osus offered Themselves voluntarily as living sacrifice unto The gods, They lived in The shrines, and they prospered thaT The dialas even envied them. When the slave masTers came, a lot of dialas ran inTo these shrines to enjoy the protecTion the osus enjoy and They became osus by associaTion. Osus were never physically harmed, nor sacrificed, nor sold To slavery. They were never slaves To dialas either. They were owned by The gods! And everything owned by the gods cannoT be Touched! For insTance, a decade ago, an udara tree existed in our orie markeT square, a god named Ogwugwu lived There, becos of That iT was forbidden To eat from thaT udara Tree. It would ripe and fall in mass buT no body would pick nor eat it, well I did iT ouT of ignorance, as a Teen and I didn't mention it To anybody. AnoTher example is for native pear trees, when iT ripes The owners would call The masquerade To come and puT omu on iT for proTection, which signifies That iT now belongs To The gods, The owner cannot even touch iT till it fully ripes and a ritual would be performed and The omu removed. AT this moment The owner can harvesT it. To the guy That said they were fed to The Arusi? Fed? you cannoT feed a living Thing To the gods! This is why There is so much misconception abouT osus which sTarted from The european missionaries! If osus were cursed and unclean, Then why do some dialas bear osuji, osuagwu and the resT as surnames?. No diala would like To be associated with unclean names. Yes, in some communities, they Termed people That commiTTed sacrilege and were osTracised osu, but They are noT osu, thaT you call them osu doesn't make them one! The real osus jusT like the name implies are jusT who offered themselves as living sacrifice unto The gods, and were owned by gods. If you have a grandfaTher That's over 100yrs and you wanna know about osu, go home and ask him, cos They were The people That wiTnessed iT. @ iTsmodella: yes, There offsprings have To perform some rituals before They become diala. |
@odenigbo, stop saying what u dont know biko. So they committed sacrilege and was sacrificed to the gods, dead or alive? And the gods protected and flourished them? Hahaha, typical nlander, boasting in ignorance. Erm.... Is sacrilege not a sin against god? Nd they were considered 'clean' to live in the shrines? So amadioha protected people that committed sacrilege. So the dialas that ran into the shrines to be protected from slave masters also committed sacrilege? Nna ga nodi ala biko. I'm pretty busy now so we will talk about this later. *back to my linear programming jare* |
@odenigbo, u are the one who is ignorant about this. Pls go home and ask around. Any family that commits sacrilege are banished even till tomorrow, they are not osus. The wrath of the gods are upon them, they are cursed. Osus are not cursed, they belonged to the gods who protected them, that is why they are called "untouchable." |
I don jam today.@Lola; Yes, in this day and time you only identify osus by investigation unlike in the olden days they lived with the gods. And yes, they marry ouTsiders more and themselves, I.e. an osu marries an osu Too. If an osu for instance marries a yoruba, in This Tradition the yoruba has become an osu too before The eyes of igbos, if They have kids and The kids wanna marry igbos for insTance, the lineage would be invesTigaTed and Traced back To osu. @Badosky, no kill me abeg, They all worshipped same gods buT at differenT capacities. And no, new gods did noT emerge everyday. Ok peeps, we have done enough Traditional religion for today, Time To go back to "oyinbo" study. ![]() |
I don jam today.@Lola; Yes, in this day and time you only identify osus by investigation unlike in the olden days they lived with the gods. And yes, they marry ouTsiders more and themselves, I.e. an osu marries an osu Too. If an osu for instance marries a yoruba, in This Tradition the yoruba has become an osu too before The eyes of igbos, if They have kids and The kids wanna marry for insTance, the lineage would be invesTigaTed and Traced. @Badosky, no kill me abeg, They all worshipped same gods buT at differenT capacities. And no, new gods did noT emerge everyday. Ok peeps, we have done enough Traditional religion for today, Time To go back to "oyinbo" study. ![]() |
LastApostle: BRILLIANCE! LastApostle: BRILLIANCE!Yea, They were avoided noT because they were believed to be "evil" in an evil way, nah. They were feared like The gods, They were believed To have mysTerious powers like The gods of the land. Trust our forefathers, if They were evil in an evil kinda way, They would have been wiped ouT. A Typical example, when we were kids, we would go home every christmas, someTimes when we would go To stream we would see sacrificed stuff; well cooked rice, white cock, schinap, eTc. You dare not touch those cos it belonged to the gods. |
@Badosky, "dialas" are like the normal Rev. FaThers. Osu means "owned by gods" you hear names like Osuji, Osuagwu, "Ji and Agwu" are names of gods, Tho osus cannoT be idenTified by names o. While "diala" its full pronunciation is "nwadiala" means owned by us(man). For instance, in igbo land, you are a "nwadiala" to your maternal home. Which means they (maTernal family) own you. So These two set of people are owned by "us" till a set decided to specially sacrifice Themselves to gods and Traditional iT earned Them the name "Osu," which means "owned by gods" or "servants of gods." |
@ Carefreewannabe: let's move away from this issue a tiny biT. Did u read Chinua Achebe's book "There was a country?" And Ojukwu's "Because I'm involved?" The accounTs of the Biafran war in These two books are They The same? PuT 2 and 2 togeTher. |
@Badosky, nah, There was no christianiTy then. Osus offered Themselves voluntarily as a living sacrifice unto gods. According To Then TradiTion, whaTever is sacrificed unto gods belong to the gods. For insTance, The caTholic monks, The ones aT The monasteries. Have u seen them before? Ever gone there? Those guys made themselves living sacrifice (a very special sacrifice) unTo God, They dwell in God's shrine secluded from normal people. While The ordinary Rev. Fathers live with normal people. Both They worship same God. So let's osus were like The monks. Do u understand now? ![]() |
@LastAposTle: Don't mind people. Osus were never slaves. And no one sacrificed Them! They volunTarily offered themselves unTo the gods; Amadioha, Ogwugwu, eTc. They lived in The shrine. They were unTouchable. Infact, They were highly placed, regarded as gods. They flourished and prospered even more Than The "dialas." They were feared, ever wondered why people say thaT their ladies are preTty, and their guys intelligenT and rich? During the slave Trade, a lot of "dialas" ran inTo these shrines for protection, and they also became unTouchable. IT was The European missionaries they even gave osu a bad name, of course They did noT undersTand iT and They likened iT to The ouT caste sysTem in India. Osus were never killed, nor malTreated or anything, They were never slaves, and were noT sold during slave trade. They were/are feared! This TradiTion is a pegan one, I agree. Marry whoever u wanna marry if you can fight iT. In as much as I personally don't practice iT, of a truth it still exists. |
Godson201333: You are an OSU thats why ya still single...Proof me wrong and show me your wedding ring***Ohh, pls don't remind me They were gonna organise a meeTing To tell me ThaT. You are righT my dear. ![]() |
Idowuogbo: Woooooooooooow! This so called osu people, wey dem base? Ehe, now you come, ask questions and get clarified good morning firsT of all.In those days, They lived in the shrine where The gods lived. They expanded over Time, built houses and Transformed the place. NoTe* anoTher version might exisT o cos This is a concepT that has no definite explanaTion, hence The different explanations you read* In facT, where I come from, when they started mixing with "dialas," They were given a land close to the "dialas" where They seTTled, and now They all mix, go to same markeT, buy and sell. You can never know Them unless you ask. |
@Bluedevil: sToop to conquer me? nne, for you To do that, you would need to stand on a stool cos you are a dwarf. Did you jusT drag my parenTs inTo this? So 2020 of you huh? is it not hilarious how a mad person calls anoTher person mad. Osu exisTs, oya find a wall and hit your head on iT, or *hands her a rope* oya commiT suicide Just like other forms of discrimination; racism, tribalism, religious, church denomination, even biblical, etc. They all still exist, or do u need a torch lighT To see ThaT? Do barking like a mad dog and insulting people's faThers solve the poster's problem? Ever asked yourself why mosT igbos here, The people That this issue concerns are noT Talking abouT iT while yoruba's, oTher Tribes and those in diaspora hijacked iT? Calling The name of my village? Ofeke Tara aTu ofia, nexT time don't come here to spew Trash abouT whaT u know noThing about, or jusT googled on The interneT. Did I jusT read "killed and sacrificed humans?" Hehehehehe, This shows you don't even know what you have been barking about, and you are noT even igbo. Were the osus killed? And sacrificed? Where did u read ThaT? For clarity sake, osus were supposed to be killed according To Then tradition which originated from ancient Israel That whatever was sacrificed To The gods musT be killed. BuT They were spared and osTracised instead of being killed. They became The properTies of gods, and was believed to have mysterious powers just like The gods; they were untouchable. They were never killed nor physically harmed, They were and still are avoided (cos They were/are believed to wreck havoc, aT least a poster clearly confirmed ThaT believe). At leasT geT ur facTs right nexT Time you wanna go off chain, nkita ara. Do they have to waiT Till they fall in love? Yes, aT the momenT that's the only time This issue would surface; marriage. Pegan forefaThers? Yes, I agree with you. I know in your "oyibo" world, traditional religion doesn't exist. In my African world, iT does exisT plenty and people sTill practice it, and They see christianity as a white man's culture. American baby . Some of us were acTually born in Africa, naTives of a particular tribe and as we grew we were taught culTure of This Tribe , even tho we don't pracTice iT. I'm a born and bred igbo lady, born into a tradiTional family, Oke ada, ada Tozuru oke, ada na eri ukwu anu My grand father was an Ozo TiTle holder, it would be an abomination for me to learn abouT my people on the interneT. I know things abouT my tradiTions both existed and existing ones, whether I practice Them or not. I'm proud of thaT. I guess in your "oynibo" menTality, iTs a crime. Yet the real oyinbo people Themselves fly down to wiTness some of these culTures, geT enTerTained and have fun. E.g come To Arondizogu's ikeji (masquerade festival) and see where we tagged our culTure "pegan" yeT The people we copied their culTure fly down to enjoy it. ![]() I wasn't born in The village for me to know all ThaT, I jusT lisTened to the saying That the voice of an elder is The voice of wisdom. And whenever I visiTed home, I would siT on The feeT of my grand faTher and he would teach me, and Tell me sTories, proverbs and idioms. The ones I didn't understand, I asked questions. I was really a curious kid. I guess in your "oyinbo" menTaliTy, iTs a crime? NUC must also be fo..ols for inTroducing GES 102 in Nigerian UniversiTies. ITs quite amazing how This generaTion claims to know more Than our fore fathers, yeT The days of our forefaThers were better, and they lived a very long life, someThing we cannot boasT off. Ever wondered why? Lmao aT ur "oyinbo" menTality. Ozu na amaghi na aka wara ya. My final Take, you can bark like a mad dog all you want, osu is real in most parts of igbo land. Just like tribalism, I have heard "we are one Nigeria" all my life, in Theory yes we are buT pracTically are we really "one Nigeria?" If we are, why can't a Bayelsan get a govT job in Imo state and vice-versa. Why do universities consider indigenes first? Traditions (both the good and The bad) are dynamic, while some change insTanTly, oThers change over The years. DiscriminaTion changes over The years when generaTions stop caring about iT, It just dies a natural deaTh. Osu concept has defiled a lot of ideologies, buT generaTion would ouTlive iT. I'm done wiTh this thread, and wiTh you Too. I'm out. *un-follows* |
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Vivian, I think those people are even the ones to be accused of hypocrisy. Ain't nothing bad in saying "I did it, It was bad but I fell...God has forgiven me but I wouldn't advice an upcoming Christian to go into such". Simple! Trying to justify it ain't making any sense to me EXCEPT we can delete that part of the bible that goes against it. Now, that's the only justification that looks real and sensible to me.


