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CoolUsername:
There's no dilemma here, research that is incomplete is incomplete. Scientists would not attribute it to magic just because hey don't know yet. Second, I don't think what you defined above is the meaning of circular reasoning.

I can't help you with that

By the way, RNA can be formed by self-assembling amides in the right conditions.

Nonsense. They also have test tube babies so babies may just form naturally

This is another thing you've gotten wrong, evolution and chemical evolution are not the same theory. Evolution deals with heredity while chemical evolution deals with chemicals. I don't know the books you've been reading but please make sure they are not biased and also, make sure you understand them fully.

ORIGINS is ORIGINS sir. If you have no idea of what evolution is please consult a dictionary.
Evolution theory at its basest is simply study of information. Common sense dictates you start with where information came from not PRESUMING there always was information
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chemical-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_evolution

I will like nothing more than to hear your views for a change.

Ok sir!
Geological column is a MYTH
1. There is no particular order in which fossils lie in the column

plaetton:
Actually, I learnt that in primary school, and not in that kindergarten-ish way you put.

Verily your brainwashing started early. I wonder what those fools saw in your sole neuron worth brainwashing

CoolUsername:
Calm down, let's not get agitated here. Recent studies have shown that viruses came before bacteria. So they must have evolved their dependency later on. More research would shed more light on this in due time.

This is what I call circular reasoning.
First, you PRESUME evolution,secondly, you presume information gap would bail you out of your dilemma. What we know now about RNA is sufficient to slay any possible evolution argument. That's what I drew your attention to. DNA and RNA outside living organisms need extreme temperatures to thrive, temperatures so low that no chemical reaction can take place!

Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, so don't redefine it to suit your argument. So don't avoid the question

Abiogenesis is Chemical EVOLUTION. Am sure you have NEVER read Darwin, u just work with Google and imagine it can increase your knowledge. My broda you need to read, chew books. Who should answer Origins question if not evolutionists?

Why do we have more primitive organisms in lower and older strata and more complex ones in recent layers?

A myriad of reasons. If you are really interested in why I will gladly teach you. Just say so

NnaNna4:
Angels have no male or female

Angels are always depicted as MEN. But in Zechariah's vision, we get winged female beings although from the verse we would be hard pressed to call them angels. They may as well have been symbols of something else like Revelation 12 Woman with child

Zechariah 5:9-11 (KJV)
Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

CoolUsername:
Most viruses have few genes, the Ebola virus, for example, has only 7. Reasearch is still going on. Where would your 'god of the gaps' be if we find out exactly how life came to be.

The fact that research has not come to a conclusive end doesn't automatically mean that God did it.

Now, I gave my point on evolution. Don't ignore it.

And I thoroughly debunked it. EVILution presumes there was life somehow in the first place. We are not making idiotic presumption bro.
The number of genes don't mean complexity FYI. If you half understood what is RNA,DNA and how they are related to amino acids I doubt you would ever flap gums about chance.

Now, viruses use RNA and not DNA. Do you know how DNA is preserved in the lab? It is stored in under -200 degrees Celsius, and even then it still disintegrates. RNA is ten times as unstable.

Now,viruses are an enigma, while it is intuitive to imagine that life started simple and grew complex with time, viruses complicate this. How? They can't reproduce on their own, they need some copying mchanism of bigger cells. This means viruses can't exist without other more complex cells. So it is retard.ed to hallucinate that life started as a virus because then they would have had no cells to multiply on

oyeludef:
Bros please let it slide.

Ok, but if I wake up to more curses, I will be greatly tempted to confront them head on. Am allergic to superstition sir

CoolUsername:
Every living organism can be broken up into amino acids. Amino acids are the building block of life. Although research is still far from complete, scientists believe that the atmospheric conditions of the earth before life would have been able to produce these amino acids.

How these acids made the jump to become living organisms is still unknown. But there is an organism which possesses some characteristics of living things and some of non-living things, they are called viruses.

Negro ,
Some viruses have more DNA than human beings so don't mistake their size for simplicity.
Please Google chirality problem and see why it is IMPOSSIBLE for DNA to form naturally.

Briefly, the SIMPLEST protein contains over 50 different amino acids which MUST all be left handed. You don't want to know how proteins are related to RNA and DNA.

In short, there is no knowledge gap between what we know and abiogenesis, what we know is sufficient to rule out CHANCE

There is a serious aversion to scriptures here,,but it is well

plaetton:
Here we go again.

I always burst into laughter when I see your dimwitted reactions when presented with superior knowledge.

I notice that you have fairly consistent knee-jerk reactions when presented with simple, common sense facts.

Praise be to the Toothfairy the day you will actually make even a half-sense rebuttal to a clearly sensible argument.

Why not humble yourself, you dimwitted clown, and learn some things

The difference between religio-clowns like you and the rest of us is that, unlike you, we take every opportunity to learn, learn something new.

And this is the problem with religion, and also the reason why we are here to suffer and rub shoulders with mental Lilliputians like vooks and his ilk.

Someone has to do the dirty job.
Africa must be saved.

What have you learnt lately, that dirt materialized out of nothing 13b years ago and then formed you

plaetton:
With emphasis on " obviously ".

Unfortunately, that's what are forced to deal with in the religilous section.

M0ron,
Merry Christmas

nnamdiosu:
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JUST IMAGINE. EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.... BRO VOOKS
YOU JUST STARTED THE FOUNDATION FOR ANOTHER ARGUMENT . NOW IF I WAS SOMEONE THAT LIKES ARGUMENT I WILL NOW SAY...

no the muslims don't argue...
then you will continue with, yes they argue
then i'll reply (so others will know i sabi AND I WONT LOOK IGNORANT)... no they don't
then you will reply (to prove you're right) yes they do....check so and so thread. check so and so book. check this dictionary...

FOR GOD SAKE VOOKS LET IT GO. I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARGUE OR NOT SELF. JUST LETS MOVE ON.
YOU'VE WON, I LOST. PLEASE LET'S MOVE ON.

thou spirit of argument in this thread die again in Jesus name. amen

That was a very minor point and I had no point of reverting to it. It is commonly assumed that Islam is one homogeneous religion whole Christianity is full of divisions. This is the furthest from the truth.

If you determine that everything I say here is an argument, you will find me arguing even when am agreeing with you!

NnaNna4:
why are they concerned about me using it AGAIN because I intend to use it again.

If you are warned about a specific item then it is wisdom to refrain from it. But don't stop at that, go ahead and pray for God to show you WHY you may not use it, for you have relations using it and you may need to warn them as well.

But dreams can be self fulfilling prophecies; if you have heard stories of that creme or others made in hell or from marine world, and you had these thoughts prior to using it, and further guilt haunted you after using it, then you shouldn't be surprised you are dreaming with the creme

oyeludef:
Alright. On behalf of every proponent of d gene theory, i accept ur view. Now let's d thread move on

The debate is part of the thread
I notice some subtle curses on my person here. If you really think am Satan, go ahead and cast the Devils out.

CoolUsername:
Let's start with evolution.
For evolution to be true some conditions have to be met, one of such is that the fossils of organisms will become more primitive the deeper we go into the earth' crust, with the most primitive species at the deepest layers and the most recent at the topmost layers.

Nonsense
Start with where life came from
Did life materialize out of thin air?

The dilemma of claiming Noah's genes were pure is simple; if his wife's were pure, then Noah was not the only human with pure genes. And if his wife had impure genes, then sparing her was counterproductive and a sick joke on all the impure genes destroyed.

The 'solution' to this quagmire is to claim that her impure genes were somewhat 'recessive'. So in he entire world only one man had 'pure' genes while the other had 'recessive' impure genes?

I believe in a lot of absurd things but I have some minimal reverence for the Word of Truth to entertain such arguments and attempt to propagate them

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nnamdiosu:
there used to be a time when i check followed topics and see this thread great joy overcomes me. but now im scared to check for new posts becos there's always one argument or the other. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE MUSLIMS THREAD (BEFORE THEY MADE IT ONLY FOR MUSLIMS), YOU WILL NEVER SEE THEM ARGUING OR SHOWING 'WHO SABI PASS'. IT'S ALWAYS CHRISTAINS THAT WANT TO SHOW, PROVE AND SHOW AGAIN THAT THEY KNOW BIBLE AND HAVE BEEN READING IT SINCE 1971.
For Gods sake why can't we just bear with one another, ignore, overlook and move on.

it's black
no, its white.
ot is grey,
no mixed black and white.
read my first comment, its black i said
i said it's white.......
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now, no one is learning anything new apart from how to arguing.
im on my knees, pls i beg, i plead, i crave indulgence, i intercede, by the mercies of the living God....
LETS STOP THE ARGUMENT AND MOVE ON WITH THIS THREAD.
every spirit of ' I KNOW PASS YOU AND I MUST PROVE IT TO YOU COS I KNOW PASS YOU' Die by fire in Jesus name from the thread.
amen.

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Just about everyone here has their own opinion of how and what to post. You are no exception

You know zilch about Islam if you think they don't argue. Start with Shia-Sunni rift

plaetton:
Is that your best response, your best rebuttal of the facts presented above ?

As usual.

Pure Emptiness.

The emptiness of your cranial cavity reverberates throughout the length and breadth of Nairaland.

I need your puny brains in the multiverse thread. You never posted nothing there. But I understand your underworked sole neuron has limits

plaetton:
Casting pearls before a swine is what you just did above.

But, the good thing is that vooks and his kind are getting fewer by the day.

M0ron,
You are my broda and I'd take a bullet for you but am here to stay and terrorize your puny brains

oyeludef:
with ur logic, Abraham wasn't special, David wasn't special. I don't think arguing with you will get anywhere cos u are a great scholar. But remember the letter killeth but d Spirit gives life. I rest my case

Abraham was special in that God specifically blessed him and promised to bless many through him and his seed(Christ)

David was special because God said so and promised to establish an eternal King on his throne.

My broda, if you are going to make claims, at least tr and back them up. I have said Seth was no special because there is NOTHING we know about him that screams 'special'

oyeludef:
but u speak as if you know everything in d Bible.

I don't know everything or even a tithe of everything sir

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1 John 3:12 KJV

How does this make Abel 'more special'?
There are some brothers here struggling with lust and masturbation. Supposing you are not, does that make you special?

oyeludef:
good. Was abel more special than cain?

Not that I have ever read of. If you are of contrary opinion please share with us.

Thank you in advance

oyeludef:
Alright. If i may ask you, was jacob more special than esau?

Yes he was

Malachi 1:1 (KJV)
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord.
Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us?
Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord:
yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau,

Now sir, give me scriptural proof that Seth was special above Cain or any other of Adam's sons and daughters.

My little understanding is that genealogies will only focus on the line pointing up to Christ. The rest are ignored

analice107:
My Life today, is sustained by the Word of God, that I believe. But how could i have believed it, if I didn't know it?

I remember, along time ago, a marine pastor, whom I never insulted, approached me, because he saw me with Crutches and thought I was vulnerable.
He started telling me how he can just heal me and give me a ring which i can use to command whatever I needed. especially trapping men to get money from them. that was his main focus intact.
lol. The man went on and on abt what he can do. everything he said pointed towards powers from the marine, to buttress his point, he quoted, where Jesus asked his Apostle to go catch a fish and get money out of the fish's mouth to pay their taxes.
The man actually opened his mouth and said, Jesus Christ, The Sun of the Living God was subject to the Marine powers. At this point, I exploded. When I put some scriptures before him, he fled.
Tell me, If I didn't know any better, would that man not ve trapped me, by making me believe that Jesus' power came from the marine world? So many in spiritual churches believe so.

Amen and amen!
The problem with these tales is you can't tell facts,imagination and embellishment apart.
This is why the fantastic tales of heaven and hell NEVER move me a single bit.
Am I the only one who is disturbed by the glaring inconsistencies between the description of heaven and hell from these 'visionaries'?


Here is one boy who lied about dying and going to heaven. He later recanted
http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/teen-admits-he-lied-about-dying-going-to-heaven/

Am not saying that the dreams and visions we are sharing here are false, in fact I have shared my own and how it came to pass to the dot within hours.

What am saying is, it is all about trial and error with these things, there is a likelihood of being misled so to be safe stick to scriptures.

oyeludef:
Noah was a seed of seth. Y don't u tell me about the offsprings of cain?
Israel was special, but only caleb nd Joshua made it into d promised land from they dat started d journey together. D soul dat sinneth shall die. Judas was picked by Jesus does dat mean Jesus wasn't special because he chose a thief as a disciple?

I know but has it occurred to you that only Noah survived of the Seth lineage? If they were so pure why were they destroyed together with Cain's lineage?

And in any case we are not told whether his wife was also from the same line nor that of his sons' wives

zeongeon:
The Bible saying Noah was a just man and walked with God already covers his character...the perfect in his generations was used in the context of the disturbed human DNA at that time and describing Noah as being from an untainted blood line.

For the term "perfect" Mr oyeludef has already answered the question and probably I may not answer it any better like Mr oyeludef..If Noah was indeed perfect then Christ coming to die for us would have been in vain.

God bless you.

But Job was equally called PERFECT and UPRIGHT

Job 1:1 (KJV)
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
What do you suppose these words covered since your presumption is one is for integrity?

Could it be that Noah walked upright while the rest had a stoop?

Michaelangelo100:
Pls look into Hebrew Transliteration of Genesis 6:9 and Leviticus 22:21 and check the Hebrew word used for perfect in both bible quotes. Thanks.

My friend,
Actually I was wrong,the word occurs 45 times
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/tamim_8549.htm

It is true the word is used of animal sacrifices, but recall God was not demanding genetic purity, just animals without any visible defects such as blind, limping and so forth. In fact if Noah was perfect just as the animals were supposed to be perfect, then Noah was without any visible physical defect

Thanks and God bless

Ps
It is intellectual dishonesty to run to Leviticus to validate yourself while ignoring ALL other references


Englishman's Concordance
tā·mîm — 45 Occurrences
Genesis 6:9
HEB: אִ֥ישׁ צַדִּ֛יק תָּמִ֥ים הָיָ֖ה בְּדֹֽרֹתָ֑יו
NAS: man, blameless in his time;
KJV: man [and] perfect in his generations,
INT: another was a righteous blameless become his time

Genesis 17:1
HEB: לְפָנַ֖י וֶהְיֵ֥ה תָמִֽים׃
NAS: Walk before Me, and be blameless.
KJV: walk before me, and be thou perfect.
INT: before become and be blameless

Exodus 12:5
HEB: שֶׂ֥ה תָמִ֛ים זָכָ֥ר בֶּן־
NAS: Your lamb shall be an unblemished male
KJV: Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male
INT: your lamb shall be an unblemished male old

Leviticus 1:3
HEB: הַבָּקָ֔ר זָכָ֥ר תָּמִ֖ים יַקְרִיבֶ֑נּוּ אֶל־
NAS: it, a male without defect; he shall offer
KJV: a male without blemish: he shall offer
INT: the herd A male without shall offer about

Leviticus 1:10
HEB: לְעֹלָ֑ה זָכָ֥ר תָּמִ֖ים יַקְרִיבֶֽנּוּ׃
NAS: it a male without defect.
KJV: it a male without blemish.
INT: A burnt A male without shall offer

Leviticus 3:1
HEB: אִם־ נְקֵבָ֔ה תָּמִ֥ים יַקְרִיבֶ֖נּוּ לִפְנֵ֥י
NAS: he shall offer it without defect before
KJV: he shall offer it without blemish before
INT: or female without shall offer before

Leviticus 3:6
HEB: א֣וֹ נְקֵבָ֔ה תָּמִ֖ים יַקְרִיבֶֽנּוּ׃
NAS: or female, without defect.
KJV: he shall offer it without blemish.
INT: or female without shall offer

Leviticus 4:3
HEB: בֶּן־ בָּקָ֥ר תָּמִ֛ים לַיהוָ֖ה לְחַטָּֽאת׃
NAS: a bull without defect as a sin
KJV: bullock without blemish unto the LORD
INT: afflicted bull without to the LORD offering

Leviticus 4:23
HEB: עִזִּ֖ים זָכָ֥ר תָּמִֽים׃
NAS: a goat, a male without defect.
KJV: of the goats, a male without blemish:
INT: of the goats A male without

Leviticus 5:15
HEB: לַֽיהוָ֜ה אַ֧יִל תָּמִ֣ים מִן־ הַצֹּ֗אן
NAS: a ram without defect from the flock,
KJV: a ram without blemish out of the flocks,
INT: to the LORD A ram without against the flock

Leviticus 5:18
HEB: וְ֠הֵבִיא אַ֣יִל תָּמִ֧ים מִן־ הַצֹּ֛אן
NAS: a ram without defect from the flock,
KJV: a ram without blemish out of the flock,
INT: to bring A ram without from the flock

Leviticus 6:6
HEB: לַיהוָ֑ה אַ֣יִל תָּמִ֧ים מִן־ הַצֹּ֛אן
NAS: a ram without defect from the flock,
KJV: a ram without blemish out of the flock,
INT: to the LORD A ram without from the flock

Leviticus 22:19
HEB: לִֽרְצֹנְכֶ֑ם תָּמִ֣ים זָכָ֔ר בַּבָּקָ֕ר
NAS: [it must be] a male without defect from the cattle,
KJV: a male without blemish, of the beeves,
INT: to be accepted without a male the cattle

Leviticus 22:21
HEB: א֣וֹ בַצֹּ֑אן תָּמִ֤ים יִֽהְיֶה֙ לְרָצ֔וֹן
NAS: of the flock, it must be perfect to be accepted;
KJV: or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted;
INT: or of the flock must be perfect become to be accepted

Leviticus 23:12
HEB: הָעֹ֑מֶר כֶּ֣בֶשׂ תָּמִ֧ים בֶּן־ שְׁנָת֛וֹ
NAS: old without defect for a burnt offering
KJV: an he lamb without blemish of the first
INT: the sheaf A male without old year

Numbers 6:14
HEB: בֶּן־ שְׁנָת֨וֹ תָמִ֤ים אֶחָד֙ לְעֹלָ֔ה
NAS: old without defect
KJV: year without blemish for a burnt offering,
INT: old A year without one A burnt

Numbers 6:14
HEB: וְאַֽיִל־ אֶחָ֥ד תָּמִ֖ים לִשְׁלָמִֽים׃
NAS: old without defect for a sin offering
KJV: ram without blemish for peace offerings,
INT: ram and one without A peace

Deuteronomy 18:13
HEB: תָּמִ֣ים תִּֽהְיֶ֔ה עִ֖ם
NAS: You shall be blameless before
KJV: Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD
INT: shall be blameless become before

Deuteronomy 32:4
HEB: הַצּוּר֙ תָּמִ֣ים פָּעֳל֔וֹ כִּ֥י
NAS: His work is perfect, For all
KJV: his work [is] perfect: for all his ways
INT: the Rock is perfect his work for

Joshua 10:13
HEB: לָב֖וֹא כְּי֥וֹם תָּמִֽים׃
NAS: to go [down] for about a whole day.
KJV: not to go down about a whole day.
INT: to go day A whole

1 Samuel 14:41
HEB: יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל הָ֣בָה תָמִ֑ים וַיִּלָּכֵ֧ד יוֹנָתָ֛ן
NAS: Give a perfect [lot]. And Jonathan
KJV: Give a perfect [lot]. And Saul
INT: of Israel Give A perfect were taken and Jonathan

2 Samuel 22:24
HEB: וָאֶהְיֶ֥ה תָמִ֖ים ל֑וֹ וָאֶשְׁתַּמְּרָ֖ה
NAS: I was also blameless toward Him, And I kept
KJV: I was also upright before him, and have kept
INT: was also blameless kept my iniquity

2 Samuel 22:26
HEB: עִם־ גִּבּ֥וֹר תָּמִ֖ים תִּתַּמָּֽם׃
NAS: You show Yourself kind, With the blameless You show Yourself blameless;
KJV: thou wilt shew thyself merciful, [and] with the upright man
INT: with man the blameless show

2 Samuel 22:31
HEB: הָאֵ֖ל תָּמִ֣ים דַּרְכּ֑וֹ אִמְרַ֤ת
NAS: His way is blameless; The word
KJV: his way [is] perfect; the word
INT: God is blameless his way the word

2 Samuel 22:33
HEB: חָ֑יִל וַיַּתֵּ֥ר תָּמִ֖ים [דַּרְכֹּו כ]
NAS: And He sets the blameless in His way.
KJV: and he maketh my way perfect.
INT: is my strong sets the blameless along

Job 12:4
HEB: שְׂ֝ח֗וֹק צַדִּ֥יק תָּמִֽים׃
NAS: him; The just [and] blameless [man] is a joke.
KJV: him: the just upright [man is] laughed to scorn.
INT: joke the just blameless

Psalm 15:2
HEB: הוֹלֵ֣ךְ תָּ֭מִים וּפֹעֵ֥ל צֶ֑דֶק
NAS: He who walks with integrity, and works
KJV: He that walketh uprightly, and worketh
INT: walks integrity and works righteousness

Psalm 18:23
HEB: וָאֱהִ֣י תָמִ֣ים עִמּ֑וֹ וָ֝אֶשְׁתַּמֵּ֗ר
NAS: I was also blameless with Him, And I kept
KJV: I was also upright before him, and I kept
INT: was also blameless and I kept

Psalm 18:25
HEB: עִם־ גְּבַ֥ר תָּ֝מִ֗ים תִּתַּמָּֽם׃
NAS: You show Yourself kind; With the blameless You show Yourself blameless;
KJV: thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man
INT: with man the blameless show

Psalm 18:30
HEB: הָאֵל֮ תָּמִ֪ים דַּ֫רְכּ֥וֹ אִמְרַֽת־
NAS: His way is blameless; The word
KJV: his way [is] perfect: the word
INT: God is blameless his way the word

Psalm 18:32
HEB: חָ֑יִל וַיִּתֵּ֖ן תָּמִ֣ים דַּרְכִּֽי׃
NAS: And makes my way blameless?
KJV: and maketh my way perfect.
INT: strength and makes perfect my way

Psalm 101:2
HEB: אַשְׂכִּ֤ילָה ׀ בְּדֶ֬רֶךְ תָּמִ֗ים מָ֭תַי תָּב֣וֹא
NAS: I will give heed to the blameless way.
KJV: I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way.
INT: will give way to the blameless When come

Psalm 101:6
HEB: הֹ֭לֵךְ בְּדֶ֣רֶךְ תָּמִ֑ים ה֝֗וּא יְשָׁרְתֵֽנִי׃
NAS: with me; He who walks in a blameless way
KJV: with me: he that walketh in a perfect way,
INT: walks way A blameless is the one will minister

Psalm 119:80
HEB: יְהִֽי־ לִבִּ֣י תָמִ֣ים בְּחֻקֶּ֑יךָ לְ֝מַ֗עַן
NAS: May my heart be blameless in Your statutes,
KJV: Let my heart be sound in thy statutes;
INT: become may my heart be blameless your statutes because of

Proverbs 11:5
HEB: צִדְקַ֣ת תָּ֭מִים תְּיַשֵּׁ֣ר דַּרְכּ֑וֹ
NAS: The righteousness of the blameless will smooth
KJV: The righteousness of the perfect shall direct
INT: the righteousness of the blameless will smooth his way

Proverbs 28:18
HEB: הוֹלֵ֣ךְ תָּ֭מִים יִוָּשֵׁ֑עַ וְנֶעְקַ֥שׁ
NAS: He who walks blamelessly will be delivered,
KJV: Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved:
INT: walks blamelessly will be delivered perverse

Ezekiel 15:5
HEB: הִנֵּה֙ בִּֽהְיוֹת֣וֹ תָמִ֔ים לֹ֥א יֵֽעָשֶׂ֖ה
NAS: Behold, while it is intact, it is not made
KJV: Behold, when it was whole, it was meet
INT: Behold become is intact is not made

Ezekiel 28:15
HEB: תָּמִ֤ים אַתָּה֙ בִּדְרָכֶ֔יךָ
NAS: You were blameless in your ways
KJV: Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways
INT: were blameless in your ways

Ezekiel 43:22
HEB: שְׂעִיר־ עִזִּ֥ים תָּמִ֖ים לְחַטָּ֑את וְחִטְּאוּ֙
NAS: goat without blemish for a sin offering,
KJV: of the goats without blemish for a sin offering;
INT: A male goat without A sin shall cleanse

Ezekiel 43:23
HEB: בֶּן־ בָּקָ֣ר תָּמִ֔ים וְאַ֥יִל מִן־
NAS: a young bull without blemish and a ram
KJV: bullock without blemish, and a ram
INT: A young bull without ram from

Ezekiel 43:23
HEB: מִן־ הַצֹּ֖אן תָּמִֽים׃
NAS: without blemish and a ram
KJV: out of the flock without blemish.
INT: from the flock blemish

Ezekiel 45:18
HEB: בֶּן־ בָּקָ֖ר תָּמִ֑ים וְחִטֵּאתָ֖ אֶת־
NAS: bull without blemish and cleanse
KJV: bullock without blemish, and cleanse
INT: A young bull without and cleanse the sanctuary

Ezekiel 46:4
HEB: תְּמִימִ֖ם וְאַ֥יִל תָּמִֽים׃
NAS: without blemish and a ram
KJV: and a ram without blemish.
INT: without ram blemish

Ezekiel 46:13
HEB: בֶּן־ שְׁנָת֜וֹ תָּמִ֗ים תַּעֲשֶׂ֥ה עוֹלָ֛ה
NAS: old without blemish for a burnt offering
KJV: year without blemish: thou shalt prepare
INT: old A year without shall provide A burnt

Amos 5:10
HEB: מוֹכִ֑יחַ וְדֹבֵ֥ר תָּמִ֖ים יְתָעֵֽבוּ׃
NAS: him who speaks [with] integrity.
KJV: him that speaketh uprightly.
INT: reproves speaks integrity abhor

oyeludef:
as much as i dont agree with brahamites, i don't see where d person u quoted said anything in support of William Braham's errors. Asking what was so special about seth shows uv never consciously traced the genealogy of Jesus Christ as given in d book of luke 3.
It was after seth was born that men started communicating with God again And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord .
Genesis 4:25-26 KJV cain was cursed.

Men not Seth began calling God so this does not mark him as special.
The scriptures say men BEGAN not men started AGAIN. Please don't assist Holy Spirit with inspiration


Once again, what is SPECIAL about Seth and his lineage? Were they purer than the rest? If so, how come so many of them except Noah perished with the flood?

zeongeon:
For Noah why do you decide to pick the only the word "perfect" and throw away "in his generation"

Can you walk us through this Perfect in his generation (Noah) and perfect (Job).

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man
and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9.

Because there is nothing magical about the phrase generations. It means in his time.

Another usage of the phrase 'in his generations'
Leviticus 25:30 (KJV)
And if it be not redeemed within the space of a full year, then the house that is in the walled city shall be established for ever to him that bought it throughout his generations: it shall not go out in the jubile

Please go back and read my earlier post on the exact Hebrew meaning of perfect here and elsewhere. It has nothing to do with genes but character and morality/integrity

Anas09
This is specifically for you. The absurdity of claiming Noah was 'genetically pure'

Let's assume by this phrase is meant his genes were unadulterated. Noah got his genes from his father and mother, so these would have to be 'genetically pure' themselves to transmit this 'purity' to Noah. His grand parents as well, and so forth. All his brothers and sisters would be equally 'genetically pure' seeing they descended from the same loins.

At the time of his flood, God is very particular about who to save. His own blood brothers and sisters and even parents are excluded. His father died 5 years to the flood. How plausible is it that only one man has 'pure genes'? It is impossible except you argue all the rest of 'pure genes' had somewhat perished right up to the flood.

But if there were other 'pure genes' who died of other natural causes right up to the flood, this means Noah was not the only guy with 'pure genes'.

Further, Noah's wife was either of 'pure genes' or 'impure genes'.

If she was of 'impure genes', then the whole exercise of destroying 'impure genes' is in vain as God sneaks in some into the ark.

If she had pure genes, then both her parents had to have had 'pure genes' as well and this even makes it more implausible that only 2 guys in the entire earth had 'pure genes'

And further, if she had 'pure genes', then the only carriers of 'impure genes' to the ark would have to be Noah's daughters in law. But if they had impure genes, and we see the sons commanded to multiply no fill the earth, then God directly replenished the earth with some fresh batch of 'impure genes' right after destroying the first lot.

This is the consequence of Redding your own ideas into the text of the scriptures; absurdities and illogical conclusions

zeongeon:
Thank you very much Michael, Its a good thing am not the only one who is exposed to the fact that perfect used in that verse about Noah was about his DNA.

the bible even put it this way Noah was Just which connotes his attitude and perfect in his generation which connotes genetics not contaminated as he was from the line of Seth...People don't realize the term "perfect in his generation"

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man
and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.(Gen 6:9)

You are back

Job 2:3 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause

Walk us through the distinction between PERFECT and UPRIGHT

Good people, I have just mentioned Serpent Seed and he comes one proponent. What was so special about Seth? Was his DNA pure? Ok. You mean ONLY Noah was the living descendant of Seth at the time of the flood?

analice107:
@wealthreviewme.
I see you are quick to insult. If you noticed, this thread has gone on without insults or tension this far.
When you say 'Bible gurus' what exactly do you mean? You said they shd leave the thread and open another one. I see, you came to hear (let me borrow Vooks expression) 'Hair raising tales', without those tales having their bases from the Word of God, right?

@TJ.
I don't expect this from you. How can you of all people, talk about edification of the church outside the word of God. You said the primary purpose of this thread is to edify the church, IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW ITS DONE (?) what you mean here is that satanist can as well come in with their metaphysics and it will be okey, because without the word of Word God to check, no one will be the wiser.

@wealthreviewme. call me anything you like. but the fact remains that, you can't be any closer to God by reading testimonies of others only. What happens when visions and dreams fail?
folk like u let Christ down. When your faith is challenged, becos you don't know what the words says, you throw in the towel and run. mock, call names if you. it doesn't go skin deep.

Anas09,
I pray to God that men would hold everything g else secondary to His word

Michaelangelo100:
Pls check this link to see Transliteration of Leviticus 22:21.
http:// qbible.com / hebrew-
old-testament /
leviticus / 22.html. Thanks

I have given you 14 instances where perfect is used my broda and WITHOUT exception, it is all to do with integrity. Your first job at rebuttal would be to dispute this. Why are you so desperate to get a genetic purity where none is hinted?