₦airaland Forum

A lot of Oriental people wear surgeons masks when they have a cold.
I'm told it is so they don't spread their germs to healthy people, rather
than that they are afraid of catching something.

Very thoughtful I think.

Nice Topic.

Way back in the day I had to travel by road from Jos to Lagos as all flights were cancelled due to harmattan.
I travelled with a guy I'd met at the taxi park in Jos and whom I did not know from Adam. On getting to Benin
dusk was closing in and there was no way I'd get to Lagos before nightfall. The guy who lived in Benin offered me
a bed for the night in his house. Given we'd only met that day I was really touched and grateful. We continued to stay
in touch for several years, Usman thanks a lot.

If the guy applied for asylum then he would definitely have been fingerprinted. Anyone applying for asylum in Western Europe is routinely fingerprinted and the information is shared amongst all European countries. This is done primarily to stop people shopping around for the best "asylum deal" in different identities.

If he returns to Nigeria on his own passport why would he have problems from Nigerian immigration on arrival? It wouldn't be written on his forehead that he had problems in Ireland, and I'm sure he would have more sense than to tell them of his problems.

Akolawole:
@VOR

Were you a regular on Bus 109 stopping somewhere after Streatham common?

No be me Ako. Last time I was on that route was probably more than 10 years ago.
Why do you ask?

Very interesting for Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans and the like but how many Nigerians would have grandparents born in the uk?

ty4real:
Then come to Nigeria to marry him now and then file for him to join you,its that simple if you want him to come over so that you guys can be seeing each other and he wants to work.

Marrying someone just so they can have immigration status is risky, supposing the marriage doesn't work out.
Ideally I'm sure it would be better for Constansia if her b/f could get to the UK under his own steam and let the relationship take its natural course.

Cons

When was he refused his student visas

constansia:
hi. i need som help regardin my boyfriend. I'm british and a full time student in university in the uk. my boyfriend is abroad and i want to kno wot my options r in bringin here

much hlp wil b appreciated!

First off, what nationality is your boyfriend?And to what end do you wish to bring him to the UK?
A holiday, work or just to live? Your request for assistance is too nebulous.

Damn what has been going on here?

Ako

I just noticed that the visa appeal thread was locked.

Why so?

The short answer is NO.

I love the respect that Nigerian youngsters IN GENERAL have for people
older than them. I am trying to ensure this is passed on to my kids here.

One of the funniest phrases I heard was from an ex girlfiend who was very upfront
and wasn't shy in providing me with condoms, she would always preface it with:

in case of incasity[i][/i]. Always brings a smile to my face when I remember her.

When are we going to send a petition to the Egyptian govt about this wicked and
dastardly act? I suspect the hand of evil racists we as Nigerians must stand up and be
counted, violence against one Nigerian is violence against all of us.
Our govt must get involved, if necessary we should recall our ambassador, stop trade
with Egypt and hit them where it hurts, in their pockets.

Now where have I heard these arguments before?

Naa this was definitely an EU travel document because it was what she arrived on.
At the bureau de change they asked for her passport which she didn't have so
she gave them her ID that they accepted. It was blue in colour.

LondonCool:
Italians use card board paper,

I am quite certain the Italians have now updated their ID cards to a credit card type.
My cousin's latest squeeze is Italian and she presented a plastic ID card when changing Euro cheques.

@JAMCO45

You have only Omotade's testimony that all he said was "please don't kill him".

I'd hardly call this an apology, it sounds more like an explanation as to what happened.
No where do they accept they were to blame for the incident.In addition their "explantion"
states that 64 of the passengers originally off-loaded later re-boarded. I was made to believe
that this wasn't the case.

Who is telling the truth?

Bump.

LondonCool:
Exceptions are EU id cards and old style passports without MRZ configurations-these are inputted manually into the machine.

LC

Do you mean all EU cards are inputted manually or just those without a bar code type area?

The person will probably have to make a SAB (subject access bureau) check with the Home Office.
I don't have the contact details to hand at the moment but give me a couple of days and I will provide
you with them.

Ako my broda

Flash and go no dey exist anymore. Na every passport dem de check with scanner now.
Anoda ting be say even though my passport red my skin is probably blacker than your own.

I remember in 1998 me and some of my  Naija guys, about seven of us(all of us held british passports) went to France via Dover to watch the Eagles play Bulgaria, that was when the eagles were truly a force. All the oyinbo wey de motor
before us and after just flashed and went. When it came to our turn them ask us to park, come down from the motor and then proceeded to check our passports one by one.

So you see it is not all good.

You say I am too bookish, well I just like to back up any disputed contention with the relevant facts where possible.

Not so quick Phatakee, perhaps yourself and LC would like to read the extract I have produced below:

Part 1 - General provisions regarding leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom
Immigration rules

Leave to enter the United Kingdom
7. A person who is neither a British citizen nor a Commonwealth citizen with the right of abode nor a person who is entitled to enter or remain in the United Kingdom by virtue of the provisions of the 2006 EEA Regulations requires leave to enter the United Kingdom,


Exercise of the power to refuse leave to enter the United Kingdom or to cancel leave to enter or remain which is in force
10. The power to refuse leave to enter the United Kingdom or to cancel leave to enter or remain which is already in force is not to be exercised by an Immigration Officer acting on his own. The authority of a Chief Immigration Officer or of an Immigration Inspector must always be obtained.

LondonCool:
@VOR,

Immigration Officers make the decisions to refuse entry (its their remit based on the Immigration & Nationality Act), the Chief Immigration Officer only rubber stamps the decision made. If an IO decided to grant entry to a passenger the CIO can not reverse the decision. The CIO listens to the IO's submission and asks "what are your recommendations?" and the IO tells him "Its a refusal, because of xxxxxxx", then the CIO only says "I agree with you". This is mainly with non-visa nationals. For a visa-national to have his visa cancelled due to a change of purpose where the passenger will have no right of appeal-the IO and CIO must get an approval from the Inspector (or HMI-Her Majesty's Inspector) in principle -but they are merely rubber-stamped.

If a passenger is an elderly Grandmum or student-it is not wrong for the person to sumbit a sponsors financial details to back his application. If the applicant is working and earns an income in Nigeria, it would be seen strange for the person to submit a sponsors financial details to back his application (except he has a good explanation).

The UK law states that the Immigration Officer must be SATISFIED that the passenger is coming to the UK as a GENUINE VISITOR.If the IO is not satisfied there is nothing the CIO can do about it. The terms SATISFIED and GENUINE VISITOR are relative and depends on the person making the decision. I may be a Moderate interpreter of the law whereas another IO may be a Liberal or a Core Ultra Fundamentalist defender of the law.

LC

With all due respect I beg to differ.

Yes the decision is made by the IO, I have not said it isn't.
However, I still believe an IO cannot refuse a passenger without
AUTHORISATION of a CIO. Call it rubber stamping if you want.
If a CIO disagrees with the decision of the IO then surely no authority will
be given.

It is all part of the checks and balances of the  decision making process
which MAY end up in the appeal process.

Pahtakee my bros,

An Immigration officer CANNOT refuse entry to a passenger without authorisation of the Chief immigration officer.
I am sure London cool will bear me out here.

If a passenger is stopped for further investigation and a notice to that effect is served on him/her then the chief
immigration officer will again have to give authorisation before that passenger is granted entry at the end of the investigation.

Passengers not subject to further investigation, the vast majority, will be granted entry by an immigration officer
without the need of further authorisation.

All the above is fact.

pahtahkee:
@ VOR,

Immigration officers have the sole right to cancel visas at the port of entry. I am 100% sure of that one.

I didn't say they didn't have the right. The point I was making was that the grounds for cancellation in that particular case appeared weak.
Also an Immigration officer cannot cancel or refuse a passenger without authorisation from a higher officer.Fact.

Ako,

I'm sure it was real, however if an Immigration officer is going to cancel a visa he has to justify it in writing
and I can't see how such a officer would have justified a cancellation by saying something like;

"in your visa application form you claimed to be a housewife, however you are now claiming to be a physiotherapist, I therefore cancel your visa."

Naaa check it out Ako, there will be more to it I am certain.

I might be wrong, but surely the legal action has to be instituted in the UK, which is where the alleged wrong took place.
I can't see how a Lagos High court would have jurisdiction over an event which did not take place within its jurisdiction.
If for example a similar set of circumstances had taken place in eg Oyo state then it would be to Oyo and not Lagos the NBA would bring any action.

Anyway, I am sure the best legal minds in Nigeria are on the case so I shall observe with interest.

Well before any appeal statements are written for anyone I would strongly
advise that the writers learn the difference between and when to use
advice and advise . It is a mistake I see here all the time.

Ako,

An interesting thread, however in the example you have given I doubt any reasonable Immigration officer
would cancel a visa for that SOLE reason. I strongly suspect that there were other issues that arose which
resulted in the cancellation.

Me self don tire for you.

I was talking about your second riddle.
I have already given you a full and detailed answer
to your first riddle.

Ako,

You don come again with ya riddle and propensity to leave out essential details, such as:

1. The year all this took place.
2. How old was Pat when she sought to return to the UK.
3. Exactly what was the immigration status of her parents.

Provide this info and I might be able to give you a full and accurate response.

Akolawole:
1) Maggie was not born British. At the point of birth she's a carrier of her Mum's status. The Mum is a visa national so is Little Maggie. Maggie became a British citizen the moment Seun married SisiFunky.

2) Sisifunke is not entitled to NHS free health services. She has to pay and she did pay over £1,000. The downside was if she didnt pay BHC is likely to refuse her future visa.

3) There is a big contradiction on that day maggie's passport is to be personally collceted at passport office in St James Park.

Now that i have clarrified No 1, what could be the wahala?Quiz 1 part d

@VOR

Like i always tell you, you are too bookish for my liking i am not going to quote any link on this.

Fact is a Fact

@Ako

I would suggest in future that if you set out a scenario you include all essential details.You failed to include the date all this happened until later in the thread. My original response was based purely on the law as it currently stands.

Point three above is completely ambiguous, on what day and what passport are you talking about?, you will need to clarify.

big_bumper:
CONTRADICTON 1

If this is true, so why was your answer to Akolawole's poser

CONTRADICTION 2

Flip side of the quote above: Assuming this scenario happened pre 01/7/06, the baby would not be a UK national and would therefore need a kind of settlement visa. She is in effect subject to immigration control. (I stand to be corrected)

CONTRADICTION 3

Numbers 1 and 2 in the above statement clearly implies that people born before the 1981 act enacted in 1983 and people born post 01/07/06 are UK citizen/Uk natioanals, what is the status accorded to someone born between this period which is between 1983 and 2006?

If Maggie had the same automatic right as number 1 and 2 in your quote above, why did the law bother to change again in 2006? Why fix something that ain't broke?

You are O.Y.O, as Mr Pataki would say.

So called contradiction 1

She is a British citizen at birth because one of her parents is British, not solely because she was born in the UK.

2. You are correct, but in my previous post I did state I was only dealing with the scenario on the basis of how
the law currently stands. Ako did not at first even give dates for his scenario.

3. Btw 01/01/83 and 30/06/06 anyone born in the UK would only be a citizen if one of the parents was a citizen
or settled.
The law changed in July 2006 because before then if your father was a UK national but not married to your mother who was not, you would not be able to claim UK nationality.
you would not be able to claim