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The Pols are everywhere in richer EU countries: Here in Ireland, it's estimated that one in five people is a Polish nationale.
  They are extremely hard working and remarkably good at petty, menial or labour jobs which they'd accept in mainly minimum wages while they barely complain or press charges for exploitation. Many thanks to their poor English.
   It's considerably difficult now-a-days for Africans to get the kind of jobs that Polish people excel at because, the Pols are favourite since they have earn the reputation of "Work + work x hours = Minimum Wage".
   Poland is an EU member state, so Employers prefere them also because they don't have to watch out for the immigration police. And besides, these guys are far more hard working and tolerant to working conditions than Africans.

kojeiwa:
That is why Nairaland is the best forum. It's free for everyone to ask whatever questions.

If you travel, you will know why people would like to fly a recommendable airline, by the time

you face delay, lose your luggage, canceled flight for no good enough reason, bad customer service

then my question would make more sense to you.

Now, it makes more sense to me, thanks.

Forget about how they call it; "rights of appeal" and consider what nature of rights they are; i don't see that as a right because, you can do absolutely nothing even if you suffered miscarriage of justice. If you think it's a right, then, why can't a victim of ECO demand it, can't you see that they decide who to give the rights to and who to deny it?
  There's a huge difference between Demand and Request, so, this is not a right, but a privilege. Or, haven't you heard of cases whereby an applicant wont his appeal by proving the authenticity of the purpose of application, but still, it was ruled that he shouldn't be given a visa?
  It's honourable to say goodnight to a dear one like you. [size=20pt]Goodnight all!!!!!!!!!!![/size]

brownbonno:
VVV,
You need to sleep,wake up and re-read this again.I am sure you will modify this.

Brownie, i know what you mean , man, but i know what i'm saying .
   I mean, if one is giving the favour to appeal a visa refusal, that doesn't mean that it's his own legal rights. So, despite giving the opportunity prove one's case, every embassy reserves the right to decide who it allows to come into its country as well as who it refuses.
   So, visa refusal is not legally challengable, but rather leniently considerable

Lol , Busy_one, i like you

Busy_body:
The rate of success or failure is relatively at the discretion of the ECO, and the outcome (if unfavourable) is legally challengeable. It is how you run the account that matters. Why do you think "lodgement" is an issue?

Ease up mon darlink, the situation has split three ways, tory don jam t-junction. Is it Tier 1 or Tier 4 or Cat D or all of the three?

Dear, first of all, a visa is a privilege, not a legal right; a refusal is an entitlement[i] (to the visa officer); [/i] while a right of appeal is a favour. So, an outcome of a visa (if unfavourable) is not legally challengeable, that's not the word.
   You and i know that no matter how good you run your account, if the balance in it is not satisfying to the ECO, the result would be as bad as money lodgment
   I swear, this is one of the simplest and yet one of the most complicated case. These controversies are enough evidence that Mrs. Tolapo is really far from being prepared for a visa.

Feu:
While there might have been a vicissitude to case of the applicant, the onus is the applicant to show beyond reasonable doubt that the application is genuine and true. Article 8 does not have bearing on the case of the applicant here.

Another gross error you have made here is that past visa denial do have relevance to the case, as all previous application by the applicant has been in the category D status of UK immigration. This application she intends to make now is subject also to a Category D visa. This application will therefore be weighed on her past immigration application and if there are loopholes. . . . . . REFUSAL.

Who intends to sponsor her at the moment?. . . . . . Her husband who is jobless in the UK?. . . . What is his economic status in the UK? How does he obtain his funds? Is the funds sufficient enough to cater for himself and his wife?

While there is the Paragraph 77 upon which the applicant can hinge on for her application, there is also NOTHING stopping the husband from traveling back to Nigeria to see his wife. Which is why I asked earlier on, has the husband ever returned to Nigeria to visit his wife?

This is a clear case of visa refusal. No point dancing on fictitious theories of UK immigration rules.

My goodness, who's the brilliant someone who seems to be coming from nowhere but have established himself beyond doubt to have come from somewhere?
I've been folowing your posts, i must admit that they're indeed rich with knowledge.

Hi, Sweetheart
  How have you been ?
  I do understand your point about the financial issues of Mrs Tolapo Husband, i understand he's on a student visa and that he is jobless, hence i mentioned that "One of the most traditional requirements for visa application assessment is the applicant or sponsor's financial status which also consist of job or occupation" I implied the necessity of him having a job because she stated that her husband (who's also her potential guest) depends on his uncle for finance.
  When i remarked "As for me, i believe it's better to prevent a winner than to persuade a looser", i was definitely referring to visa application cases, so i meant: It's helpful not to encourage someone to loss money on an application that won't be successful.
  Talking about people who got visas with "nil/negative balance accounts", lets now weigh the relative magnitudes of these two quantities: (1)the rate of success and (2)the rate of failure and then, let's make a balance of probability.

It's so easy to create a thread

brownbonno:
@poster,
I am sure your application will have a positive outcome.

Ha, Brownie, na you dey talk this one ?
   I don't want to wish her ill luck, but by observation, i regret to say that a visa application on such situation will by no means result in a refusal.

brownbonno:
If your husband course will last for another 12 months,your will be given a dependent visa for 12+ months which will entitle you to work

One of the most traditional requirements for visa application assessment is the applicant or sponsor's financial status which also consist of job or occupation: Whether the husband's course lasts for one year or 20 years, under no circumstance will a visa be issued when the person inviting him/her is jobless.

brownbonno:
With your qualification/experience and possible proof that you will be able to secure a job in the UK(Print out from Online job agencies that suit your qualification and experience) will help

Most Nigerians get visa refusals because they're not well prepared or are rather misinformed. Let's not build hope on illusion nor invest career on faith. There's no such thing as "proof that you can get a job in the UK", such a prove does not exist, it's either you have a job or you don't have one.
   

brownbonno:
Secondly,with a total of 800K (naira) in your account is a boost and a proof that you will not be a burden to the state(recourse to public funds).

Man, don't disappoint me with the 800k thing, or perhaps we're taking about $800k, USA?

brownbonno:
Third,your past visa denial maynot be revelant in this case because of changes in your circumstances since the last refusal.
Lastly,the ECO will bear in mind Article 8 the right to family life when deciding your application,provided their proof that the marriage exist.
Wish you the best

Though, every application is said to be treated in its own merit, but the fact remains that previous applications outcome do influence subsequent ones, if not, there wouldn't have been such questions as:
*"Have you ever applied for a UK visa before?"
*"Was it issued"
*Did you appeal"
*"How is this application different?" etc
   Please, guys, let's not just form the habit of encouraging everyone to apply with illussional hope, let's assess the situations of applications before encouragement: As for me, i believe it's better to prevent a winner than to persuade a looser.

   Well, despite the fact of the exist[b]ed[/b] issues between me and Pataki/Funky, i do know that these guys know their stuff. Although, i acknowledge your intention as i know that no one is perfect.
  Akolawole, Londoncool, Vor, Vikiviko, Paribus and others, i acknowledge you all.

tolapo:
Many thanks to various response but my advice is that anybody that don't have any positive answer/advice that will help should not make any unfair response like akolawole(at least you should just honour the respect i gave you by directing the question to you ),tyreal (bear it in mind that individual problems differ)) and the issue of new member or not i believe it is out of it as a matured mind.

I have OND in accountancy, i work as an account officer in one registered private firm that deals with importation, supplier and hiring of Agricultural equipment, heavy duty parts with a salary of #51.5k per month after tax, and i also have a kiosk where i sells recharge cards, i have about #800k in my salary account and another savings account,

As for my hubby, though he has his own private accommodation, NI, pay telephone bills,bank account , but the issue is that he does no work and if i should include all these the ECO might want to see his source of income like payslip or so.

I did respond to your initial queries, and my assessment to your case is NEGATIVE.    Honestly, on the ground of finance and the balance of probability, i don't accept that either you or your husband is prepared enough for a visa of any kind.

tolapo:
Please more encouraging advise is welcome

Now, i can see that you only want encouraging advice, but such is not advice, rather persuasion.

tolapo:
Funkybaby, akolawole, and Mr pataki

Kudos for various good response to individual visa enquiries, my question is

I want to apply for student dependant visa to stay with my husband who is a student in UK, what are the necessary documents to submit with this application? as my hubby there is not working his uncle who sponsored him sends money to him but am working here, also i have applied for student visa and was denied thrice here, i hope this does not have any effect on any other application. 

Please note, my hubby came home and we are legally married after my student visa refusal was denied and we married legally as i have my wedding certificate (Islamic and registry)

   Match the colours.
  Given that your husband is a student, a dependant who does not have a job, i regret to advise you that he does not meet up to the requirement for spouse invitation, therefore, you'll not be eligible for spouse visa.
   Though, previous visa refusals do affect subsequent applications, but yet, every application is said to be considered in its own merit.

yettidear:
@vvvjustice

Thanks a bunch a lot for the info.God bless.u just welcomed me to Nairaland the nicest way any one can.

i will definitely consider all what u adviced me.And Please i will get back to you when i have new questions & to let u in on the developments.

thanks dear.

Any time, Dear, any time.

EmemJU:
just had a baby, and u know how everyone comes around with their pieces of advice,
one that has been recurring is the issue of belly binding,
everyone telling me, how its very impt i do it so my tommy will flatten

i want to know, does it really work?

because my husband's like 'your tommy wil return after 6wks and stuff, and that i could do exercises afterwards,


lets hear frm experiences please,

How long has it been since you had your baby?
Was that by natural birth or by Cesarean section, was there any complication?
How has your after-birth condition been?
What method do you use in feeding your baby?
Any further information might be of help
A reply, will enable us assess your situation.

yettidear:
Hello ya ‘ll,

I really want to appreciate the free advuce u guys are giving(Akolawole,Siena,funkebaby,vikoviko etc.).

As u can see I am very new in this thread(or even the forum itself), but I have read through all the posts & seen how people’s questions are been attended to & I would really be glad if mine can be seen to too.

I want to apply for the Ukvisa and my sch starts by Oct. I don’t know any agents or if it is possible to apply by oneself.

I heard about the VAC & to make N25,000.00 for students visa.

My Mum & Dad are my sponsors, my mum has about N2.5m in her savings acct(she is a small scale business woman) & my Dad (who is a civil servant) has stocks worth about 7 million & properties(which he doesn’t have CofO for 4 now).

My questions are;

1. My mum is not employed but has her own small business & saved up all the money in her acct because of me(over the past 10 months),so how do I show any pay slip etc or what do u suggest I submit.?

Employment is not the word, but occupation is the correct word. It's vital that the statement of account contains transaction details reflecting up to six months source of income.

yettidear:
2. My Dad has a monthly in come of over N120,000.00 has a civil servant but no major savings.As a father he gives us the pay for house keeping,etc so at the end of the month there is no tangible savings.Can I still include his pay slips,etc?

N120.000 is a fat monthly income by Nigerian standard, but unfortunately, the ECO will not be interested to hear details of why the money isn't spared: Now realising that a pay-slip submitted for visa application is intended to prove a point that the applicant has evidence of fund for maintenance; therefore, while your Dad's pay-slip is impressive, but his bank account with no "tangible" balance will not prove that. SO, THE BALANCE IS AS WELL IMPORTANT AS THE SOURCE OF INCOME AND THE TRANSACTION DETAILS.

yettidear:
3. What are the other sponsors’ document I can submit with my applicaton knowing fully well there I do not have the C/O of my parents ppties, should I just forget about it?

I do not advice people to be engaged in looser's struggle neither do i discourage people from determined courses, but if i were you, and if this is all i can come up with, i'd forget about it in order to do it at the right time. Remember, things are easier when done orderly.

yettidear:
4. my sch fees is about 2.5m for Msc (& I also need to pay for accommodation),so we resolved to pay half of the sch fees and accommodation.Then later the remaining half of my sch fees.What do u think?Do I stand any chance with the BHC guys?

You'd stand a chance by many measures, but for your Dad's bank statement.

yettidear:
5. [b]Do I need any other acct holder that can back me up?[/b]i actually don’t want to involve any extended family(no too friendly people in my extended family) and I wont want to ‘use’ any other person’s own that does not know me,so as to avoid any ‘yawa’ when the BHC guys call the person.So should I chill out till I have enough pay or what?

Now you're talking; You see, while your Dad's account indicates some credibilities that he's well paid, and reveals his family obligations and responsibilities, it will be helpful to get another sponsor to support his inadequate finance. So, i suggest you forget about the differences and seek the support of the "extended family member" who you suppose is both financially and heartily capable of assisting you. You might be expected to prove the relationship or intimacy (whichever) between you and the sponsor, and also how s/he would benefit from your education. So, make up a plan for such fulfilment.

yettidear:
6. What are the other necessary documents I need to submit with my application?

Submit all neccesary documents that are neccesary   It's better to have more than enough than to have less than enough.

yettidear:
7. I work but I left my place of work to face my life(just resigned on Monday), so is it necessary to include my pay slips(though I don’t have them because we were paid directly into the bank).Should I just go for my statement of bank acct.even though it is only this month salary that is there?

Yes, it's necessary to include your pay-slip irrespective of how much they carry, it shows some measures of obligations and responsibilities, but if you don't have pay-slip, your transparent bank statement would do

yettidear:
8. Sequel to 7., do I need a employer’s letter? I company liked me alot & didn’t want me to go ,so I can still collect recommendation letters etc if necessary?

I think you can do without an employment letter since you're quiting the job and the company is not responsible for your sponsorship. Besides, your bank statement will give the impression that you're employed since it's too early to reveal that you've quit. But like i said before, it's better to have more than enough documents than to have less than enough

yettidear:
Sorry for all the questions,but I tot it wise to ask now than in bits later.

Those who ask questions seldom get astray.

yettidear:
Thanks

My pleasure

lloydhill:
hey i want to thank all that contributed to my questions and suggeted to me alot.i got my student visa this after,much respect to funkkybaby,mr pataki,akolawole and most esp,mr  vicjustice,thanks so much my guys and babe, na only God fit reward una.  Less i forget,lankywizard,tim and viglen i'm waitin to hear your good news.thanks and peace out

Man, so glad to hear the good news, my hearty wishes are with you. It's delightful to see people returning to share their testimonies, such reminds me of the case of the ten Lepers who received healings and how one of them returned to appreciate Jesus the healer.
   Na eine kala yia 'sena: May it be well with you (Greek)

ibrak90:
Hi Bro,

I have a friend in the UK and he want me to visit him overther in the UK,and he as also promise that is going to add all document needed for him to send such as, bank statements, pay slips, evidence of other savings or financial commitments, details of available accommodation.

Want to know now is that do i need to add any other document with

Your quick assistance well be thankful

My phone :08077241047
Email:iat99@yahoo.com

Your potential host providing all necessary document will definitely place you at advantage, but your own documents are expedient, so, be mindful that you have to meet the visa requirement irrespective of whoever is inviting you.

lloydhill:
hey i want to thank all that contributed to my questions and suggeted to me alot.i got my student visa this after,much respect to funkkybaby,mr pataki,akolawole and most esp,mr  vicjustice,thanks so much my guys and babe, na only God fit reward una.  Less i forget,lankywizard,tim and viglen i'm waitin to hear your good news.thanks and peace out

Man, so glad to hear the good news, my hearty wishes are with you. It's delightful to see people returning to share their testimonies, such reminds me of the case of the ten Lepers who received healings and how one of them returned to appreciate Jesus the healer.
Na eine kala yia 'sena: May it be well with you (Greek)

Gamine:
i never replied to your post.

i replied YOU.

As a man thinketh, so he is

Except if "f" represents male, otherwise, you're looking for a man's trouble .

pussy_full:
Houstony3k

you're a fool.

Hey, you can't insult people for expressing their honest opinion, Houstony3k didn't insult anyone even in her many word post, so, just let her be

Siena:
Has google stopped working?

The answer to this question will definitely answer your enquiries

You guys should have known the dictionary definition of FLIRT before making comments on flirting

Apart from the obvious white people, how does Nigeria know those who are illegal, by the way, apart from the Nigerian passport which can be obtain by any black person, can a Nigerian citizen identify himself by a national data base documentation?

kadman:
I hate people with their holy than thou attitude, silly hypocrites,the person opened his thread,and is asking for help,you saw the title of the thread and still jumped in only to start trashing him,if you can't help, Look away & mind your business. I'm sure you've asked for / done something worse this week. . .

kadman:
Live by example your quote on your profile says The best excercise for the heart is bending down and lifting people up.
Lift people up with helpful advice,it's not today this is happening in Nigeria,so quit the holier than thou attitude. As i said before if you didn't have anything helpul for the guy move to the next thread.

promise2:
AYOMIFULL,
I do not encourage the guy to go for fake statement of account but i know someone out there might help him. If you can't help why discourage him? Allow people to follow their dreams.

I think Ayomifull advice/remark was perfect, she's doesn't deserve to be rebuked for her flawless contribution, i just read through all posts in this thread, i can't really see any one that's hostile to the poster. Remember, everyone can not have same opinion with you.

millco88:
US (Miami, San Diego, Austin, N.Y)
Nigeria (Abuja)
UK (London)
Brazil (Rio)
D.R (Samana, S.D)
Cuba (Havana)
You.A.E (Dubai)

Sorry, where are you from? If you're a foreigner, then, i'd accept your claims; but if you're a Nigerian, i wound have believed you also if not for the input about Nigeria.
Reason, i wonder how many Nigerians originally hail from Abuja or have only visited Abuja.

I suggest you meet fellow Muslims who have undertaken the trips before instead of risking being an easy target for travel predators.
   When it comes to pilgrimage, i suppose you'd find better help from your own religion community, and i expect they're in better positions to organise all formalities since it is in their interest.
   Watch out for 419

Amnesty International Notes 'Alarming' Rise In Racist Attacks In Ukraine

Released : Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:54 AM
Amnesty International is warning about what it says is an "alarming" rise in the number of violent attacks against foreigners and members of ethnic and religious minorities in Ukraine. In a new report, Amnesty also criticizes the lack of adequate response from the authorities in Kyiv. Amnesty cites statistics showing 60 racist attacks in Ukraine in 2007, with six of those attacks resulting in the deaths of the victims. In 2008 so far, there have been more than 30 racist incidents, it says, of which four were murders. "Anybody who looks different is at risk of attacks by members of the public or frequent document checks and racial profiling by the police," says Nicola Duckworth, Amesty's Europe and Central Asia program director. "The Ukrainian authorities cannot afford to ignore xenophobia and social prejudice." Amnesty says it met with officials in Kyiv this week to discuss their findings. The group says the talks failed to achieve a consensus view that racism is on the increase and is a serious problem that needs to be tackled in Ukraine. "Racism and xenophobia are alive in reality, but invisible in official terms,"
http://calibre.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=313362431

A respected Russian human rights group has published shocking new data on the extent of racist violence in Russia.
Sova says 38 people have been murdered in racist killings so far this year, and well over 300 people have been injured, mainly in stabbings. . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6977086.stm