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kimco: wacky u have a lot of assumptions with so little facts (ur points, not ur story). Stop doing kishi's work for him. Jux admit it's a plot hole. For u to be assuming this much means kishi failed to do his explaining.

[quote author=kimco]And oh i didn't give up my stance...i find it silly that the inventor who was intelligent couldn't have found a way to sustain his edo tensei even when the jutsu has been disabled, i mean, wouldn't that be the next top prioty after creating ur never dying zombie ninjas.

Yeah you're right just like it was too silly that minato invented the rasengan and couldn't find a way to put nature transformation inside before he died. Really silly because all Jutsu inventors must finish their jutsu and take it to the maximum point before they die so that future users will have nothing to improve on. Tobirama really bleeped up because he must have had the technology and the time to really be stealing bodies to keep experimenting with the jutsu till there was nothing left to know about the jutsu after all it was his most powerful jutsu right? Even cleaner and easier to use than the flying god thunder technique which we didn't even know he was the one that invented before the revelation at the war.
after all there was nothing more important for tobirama to do with his time than to spend time working on a technique that he invented and declared as a kinjutsu soon after, it's not like he had any other super cool jutsus to work on and improve.

Minato even bleeped up the more because he hadn't really discovered the switching technique with the ftg

kimco: Wacky! a genuine question for u. Lol

How come hashirama was able to break the edo tensei control from orochimaru the second tym he ressurected them but when he did it the first tym hashi didn't break them.

I know he said he wasn't controlling them cos he wanted their stories. but during the first tym they spoke with sarutobie, even said they had to obey orochimaru b4 the were tagged. So why cudn't he do it then, but can do it now?

Tosyn you tried but that wasn't the real answer
Kimco you keep going on and on about the manga, next time make sure you actually read it carefully

and in case you didn't understand what the manga picture is saying, harashima and tobirama were not able to break free from the edo tensei because they were not brought back at their full strength back then due to the technique not being fully perfected by orochimaru

kimco: doesn't matter how u say it guy....one day isn't enuff to tame someone who u have hated for so long. It builds over tym especially that naruto had recently rained rasengan on him and had illegally taken his chakra.

This down here is part of what i have been saying

Feraz: you know eh, the last anime made me realize why the kyuubi decided to cooperate with Naruto. Throughout the years, the people that acknowledged the kyuubi's feelings are Rikoudo Sennin and Naruto. Madara thought of it as a servant and weapon, Hashirama thought of it as a weapon, likewise his wife and Kushina. The Sage and Naruto saw the bijuus as entities and after taking all these into consideration, the kyuubi realized it had nothing to loose than to cooperate with Naruto. He realized that Naruto has come to accept him as part of his existence.

kimco: What kyuubi saw during naruto years of suffering and rejection didn't affect him. Even upto pain's fight he still had hatred for naruto and minato. He didn't change in nature...he was still full of hatred. If he was to change it shud have been gradual. But then jux when naruto needed the kyuubi...boom, fairy god mother kishimoto went to work with his wand and then kyuubi turns cheerleader and is lovey dovey towards the guy.

From this your post, if i try to envision what you were expecting and i then imagine what it would have been like had we seen it then i still think you yourself would have called it a plot hole.
If Kurama had been showing the signs since would you now have been saying that it was too easy and that kurama had not been seeing anything for him to start changing the way he is changing. I'm even inclined to believe that what you really want is for Kurama not to change at all. That is what would have made you happy.

Like a said before my main point is that naruto's actions have been having a subtle effect on the kyuubi since but he has been hiding it very well while continually watching naruto's actions, before they fully cooperated kurama even stopped eating naruto's chakra, that was a subtle sign and was good enough for me, what more did you want? A verbal confirmation from the Kyuubi?

kimco: doesn't matter how u say it guy....one day isn't enuff to tame someone who u have hated for so long. It builds over tym especially that naruto had recently rained rasengan on him and had illegally taken his chakra.

As for the above, all joined, for a tough guy like the kyuubi, a little rough handling is needed to handle him whcih would earn naruto respect from the great tailed beast, but then the important thing is not what naruto did in collecting the chakra but why he collected it and what he used it to do. Kurama saw all that and it was still saved with kurama. what you saw in that one day was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back of all that naruto had been doing that convinced kurama he was someone worth believing in or atleast taking a leap of faith with

kimco: Okay for me this is where the problem started. After the time skip, everyone in konoha showed remarkable strength and kill growth, everyone but naruto. Even sakura showed great improvement.

Your beef with naruto is showing a bit too clearly, which improvement did sakura make apart from acquiring the one and only jutsu offensive justsu that she has been using so far, which going from nothing, to you is a great improvement. Though i get what you're expecting when someone goes on a long journey with someone like jiraiya, but i like to liken it to Sasuke's excursion with orochimaru, the techniques that sauke learnt were just techniques he himself improved on from the Chidori and then what orochimaru taught him was increased speed and reflexes. My point being that what both young ninja learnt from their respective sannin was not more visible offensive techniques but subtle techniques like naruto learning better strategy and also how to control his chakra better and sasuke learning how to be faster and more precise while also receiving medical immunity from poisons.

kimco: And that was sad cos naruto was travelling with one of the strongest ninjas in konoha and yet learnt nothing substantial aside a bigger rasengan. Kishi goofed up and he knew it and so to restore balance, naruto gained powers so fast as opposed to the gradual progress we saw him make in his other training when he was younger...tell me u didn't share his joy when he actually cracked the jutsus he was learning. Now...i don't feel nothing atall, it's too easy. noone shud say he was learning to control the kyuubi that's why. After a year of trying, if u can't crack it, jux move on to ninja training, cos he'll really need it more.

rapmike and kazekage- u guys are right about the edo tensei stuff. i agree.

You keep talking about the gradual progress gradual progress, how long will you continue to be looking for gradual progress? IS NARUTO STILL A CHILD? IS THAT THE FIRST JUTSU HE IS LEARNING? as a ninja your intuition and level of understanding of how jutsus work is supposed to increase as you keep on learning and training, that is the purpose of developing your mental strength as well as your physical strength, the same difficuties he experienced when trying to learn a high rank jutsu like the rasengan when he was younger he will not experience when learning something similar, did you not see how long it took him to manipulate his wind chakra? that was because he was learning something completely new at that point in time which was the art of nature transformation and after mastering that, it means he now has nature transformation and high level shape manipulation knowledge, these are the basics of any other jutsu and he has mastered them what further level of difficulty do you want him to experience again? Or do you really believe that he is that dull?
Remember that naruto learn the Fuuton rasengan but he manipulated the ends of the jutsu to become spinning blades like a shuuriken, they didn't show when he did that, do you think that after all his experimentation with the rasengan, that that feat would be difficult for him again? NO.

The more teechniques you learn, the more you get to understand the basics as your mental energy increases and your chakra becomes more powerful, the easier it would become to learn more techniques. just like Sasuke inventing Kirin because he was already very familiar with the basics of manipulating lightening chakra

KazeKage1: I have a theory.
The Byakugan might be indirectly linked to the Rinnegan.

We all know the sharingan is awakened when one losses someone and hate somehow feeds the strength of the eye. What if the opposite is the case for the Byakugan? We've seen how Hinata's love for Naruto improved her usability of her Byakugan and it's techniques..at least

Where did you Pull this one from? na wa oh Chai see assumption!

KazeKage1: The sharingan loses its light after excessive use but somehow the Byakugan/Rinnegan doesn't.

Oga whose Sharingan have you seen go blind from excessive use ?

KazeKage1: The Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm is similar to Tendo Pein's Almighty Push technique, they both repel shinobi/objects.

Na wa oh just in the name of trying to reach a conclusion. Deva path's almighty push technique is so different from the eight trigrams vacuum palm,
1. Almighty push does not require air and does not require a palm thrust, the vacuum palm is like it is named depends on the presence/absence of air and then a palm thrust, the deva path can stand still with arms by his side and still do his own.
2. Almighty push can be done at any range, while the Vacuum palm is a mid range technique at most
3. You can repel and attract with the almighty push while for the vacuum palm you can't.
I'm sure you already know all this

KazeKage1: Of course, it's all mumbo jumbo but I want to believe the Sage, who was a peace-maker and Kono Yo No Kyuseishu..was born with a Byakugan. If the sharingan is the symbol of hatred and the Juubi was a mass of hatred and had a 9/10 tomoe-d sharingan, then maybe, just maybe...when the Sage became the Juubi's host and gave birth, the sharingan got passed on to the first son(coupled with the loss of his birth right) and that somehow relegated the importance of the Byakugan

I think you should just join ihedinobi in believing that the Sage was an Uzumaki, there are more points backing that stand than you have here

KazeKage1: Who did Sasuke fight awaken his? No one.

here you have your answer

rapmike: Me tinks dat d sharingan awakes wen u hav a strong purpose 2 do smting. Madara woke his afta d tracking incidence,obito woke his wen trying 2 defend kakashi and sasuke woke his afta itachi's hate speech.

Sasuke awoke his own then but he was forced by itachi via genjutsu to forget that he had awakened his own, which was then broken by his fight with haku.

More answer here

firestar: That's what I thought, then Kishi flashbacked to the Uchiha massacre. He got his first Sharigan tomoe activated when Itachi taunted his 'cling to life' speech, the next was with Haku then the third was with the 'Sasuke retrival arc'.

KazeKage1: Isn't that an ability the rinnegan grants you?
I'm not looking to drag this any further, i'm just stating the obvious..Kishi is inconsistent/trolls too much. Yes, Izanami and Izanagi are a couple, besties, roommates,friends,colleagues et al.

1 - According to Narutopedia, he doesn't need a source to use it, so why hasn't Tobirama used his water jutsu?
2 - Why hasn't he broken free from edo tensei despite being its inventor?
3 - Where did the Byakugan originate from? Did the SoSP have it before gaining the rinnegan...or? Too many question but i don't want to bore you so i'll stop with these three.

1. You're still asking this Jamb question when it has already been established that obito is using a jutsu that turns all ninjutsu to nothing?
2. I've already answered that
3. we still don't know those answers yet, we can only speculate

rapmike: its nt an excuse, madara only knew d hand seals and bam! He is free frm ET! Isn't it funny dat tobirama does nt knw dat,at least he would hav tried ET out b4 recognising it as a jutsu,even forbidden 4 dat matter. Then 4 madara 2 knw,dat means madara would have done it as wel and sm1 else would hav broken it using hand seals,which is possible bt nw probable considering dat madara would hav 2 be older 2 try it 2 dat lvl. Then of course if madara knew,y did he nt tel obito?

I THOUGHT we already attempted to clear this up before. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BREAKING FREE FROM THE CONTROL OF THE EDO TNESEI USER AND BREAKING FREE FROM THE TECHNIQUE ITSELF.
Take for example the people we know that have been put under the edo tensei
1, Itachi was broken free from the control of nagato by Shisui's Mangeykyo but when Kabuto released the edo tensei, he was still taken away.
2. Harashima broke free from orochimaru's control instantly
3 So did madara but just when he was about to be taken away too by the release of the edo tensei, he had to use the hand seals to break himself away from the original technique itself. So now he remains, if Orochimaru releases his edo tensei, the first hokage would go along with the other hokage if they do not know the hand seals but Madara would still remain because he is not bound to any technique.

rapmike: its nt an excuse, madara only knew d hand seals and bam! He is free frm ET! Isn't it funny dat tobirama does nt knw dat,at least he would hav tried ET out b4 recognising it as a jutsu,even forbidden 4 dat matter. Then 4 madara 2 knw,dat means madara would have done it as wel and sm1 else would hav broken it using hand seals,which is possible bt nw probable considering dat madara would hav 2 be older 2 try it 2 dat lvl. Then of course if madara knew,y did he nt tel obito?

rapmike: My concern is how did madara knw how 2 break it,cos 4rm wat i c ET is nt a common technique so i doubt many ppl know d jutsu,then 4 madara 2 find out he would hav 2 perform ET on sm1 and we knw how strenous dat is, collecting enuf dna samples,getting ppl as sacrifices,d formula itself,etc. And like tobirama, madara cnt kill himself cos of ET,so dat is fishy

KazeKage1: I doubt there's any way Madara could have figured out how to break away from ET,but Kishi made him do so and left the inventor under Oro's control, which i find annoyingly funny.

You're still asking all this when you have seen what orochimaru and kabuto have done on their own to uncover the secrets of the ninja world, even madara was surprised at what kabuto knew and was asking him whether he was able to decipher what was written on the tomb stone.
Madara was alive till the time that he killed himself meaning that he was there when tobirama invented the edo tensei, he must have seen it in action and he must have deduced the workings of it atleast how to do the jutsu. The rest of how far he can go with it, was up to him, while others labelled it as kinjutsu and probably stopped it's use, madara may have continued to experiment with it up until the inevitable question came:

"How do i make a summoned soul stay even after the jutsu has been undone"
The question is now whether you think the answer to that question can be found by madara or not, even i believe that if orchimaru has concentrated he would have found the answer to it.

Also you have to consider that Madara lived way longer than Tobirama infact tobirama died in his youth, he wasn't that old yet. So wondering why he can't break free or why he hadn't figured it out is akin to asking why minato the inventor of the rasengan cannot do the rasenshuriken

kimco: rapmike and kazekage- u guys are right about the edo tensei stuff. i agree.

Look how easily you gave up your stand, now i see why attributing stuff to plotholes is easier for you

kimco: Dude stop this vague things u're doing and put some meaning into them. By that i mean state ur argument in full. Don't jux say stuff like this and hope that we'll understand what u mean.

And for ur info we're using the information about kishi's world to critisize his work. Otherwise our arguments would hold no water and jux be vague. And as far as i'm concerned...it is holding water...lots of it.

I said i would address it, i am still coming here, stop focusing on criticizing the work and just go with it, ah, if we had all criticized the work in all the arguments that we ever came up with and attributed it to some form of plot hole, then this thread would not have made it this far.

firestar: Huh, nice to meet you too.
Just ignore me for the time being. Given the fact on how you write epistles, guy- that's recipe for genjutsu... I don't wanna get caught innit.
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My kills are clean.
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Messy arguments? Nuh-uh.
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You bring Suiton, Feraz Doton, Kazekage Fuiton then we have Harmattan-after-late-rain-no-jutsu.
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Oya, formation!

you eh, you own case special. What would hidan say about this now?

I've been seeing some wack statements made on pages 244 and 245 and i Just vexed and decided i must address, some experts at finding plot holes have not even understood how the ninja world works first, they just wanna watch fight and go.Before you find some nice quality plot holes, first try and understand the system of things and then you can now be able to see things clearly, not just to see something you cannot understand and bam it is a plot hole

Huawei is not just ready for business

Kimco i think there are holes in the mangas you've been reading..

Tosyn007: Kurama has been in Naruto for 16 years...every bad ass has its soft spot

Kimco

Naruto changes people after just some few contact with them and that's one thing that naruto is specially known for, Kyuubi has spent 13 years watching naruto get rejected and hated (which should make kurama very happy), then seeing naruto overcome his hatred (showing a different reaction to hatred and death than he is used to), overcome his difficulties and refusing to quit or be discouraged even after experiencing loss, never giving up on his friends like sasuke even after all that sasuke has done to try and hurt naruto, (abeg go and watch the anime episode 216 and see whether tears will not want to leak from your eyes, But as a man, we lock that S.hit up), grow and become a strong ninja able to achieve his dream and more yet you still want him not to soften up?

Kishi has already shown you with that small flash back that the tailed beasts were not created to be evil by the sage of six paths and if because you have been seeing them acting evil for so long that you believe that that is all they have ever been, to the extent of calling what the creator of the series showed you as the origin a plot hole the you have confused and twisted yourself.

The sage of six paths gave life to mere chakra so it stands to reason that with his character, he would give them a life and personality that would reflect his own (not sure? check your bible). All it takes to bring back the memories is a little hope and that hope sustained by proof that with all that is going on in the world that one person can be different, that one person can respond differently to the external influences of the world, that is what naruto does that convinces people to believe in him just like nagato. But with the kyuubi's age and all that he has been through over the years including what he has done himself, he would require more proof than mere humans. Where you might get it wrong and call it a plot hole is where you started counting the proving from.

Ihedinobi: When the story ends and he fails to explain it, THEN I'll be mad. But not until THEN.

Come over to the Uchiha Side

I hate all this plothole nonsense, go and read through all my posts in this topic and see if i have ever mentioned plot holes or even acknowledged their existence, Talkless of using the concept of plot holes to explain anything, i believe that once we're in the naruto world then we argue or debate facts with the information at hand assuming all things being equal calling for plot hole is just a cheap and easy escape.

You keep looking for plotholes in this naruto world, i wonder if you'll also be looking for plotholes in the real world too.

LOl when the guy comes begging with his cute eyes and sweeet words offering to be just friends and saying that he understands that she's in a relationship but that he misses her friendship so much and promising not to ever go beyond the line I pray make the OP no fall back not knowing that it's all a lie

2Sexy so you still dey here dey look the OP lol

Hahaha... This topic made me laugh sha..
Husbands are scarce yet women are getting married every saturday.. Where are those women seeing their own? In the bush?
Once upon a time all those women were in the prime of their youth with many admirers that they could choose from but they were young and unwise, being unable to access a guy and look for the real important things in making their choice, things like ambition, sincerity, commitment, dedication e.t.c instead they were looking at superficial things like size of wallet, how tall and handsome and hot and the lies He can spew, they believed they were the hotties and didn't need any guy to make them happy and they could have any they wanted but now....
But there's still hope cause like someone Said

maxwello.yg:
Truth is, when you are beautiful, well behaved and financially independent. You'll get married when you want.

P.S Wait till 2sexy gets here..

Tosyn007: He was made Chunnin cos of his leadership skills, the first chunnin exam ended in turmoil remember? And it was when it was retaken that other genins where promoted to chunnin which Naruto didint partake of it. As for Hidan's case, he had an encounter with the guy and also had days to strategise before facing him again, and even with that, it wasn't enough to take down both Akatsukis while Naruto had no time strategise against Pain, just intels that were passed to him in the middle of his fight Pain..I honestly don't believe you're comparing Hidan to Pain. And besides, Kishi gave Shikamaru the highest IQ in the anime and it augurs well with you, he made Naruto the focal point of the anime and you're crying foul? No kid had it as tough as Naruto growing up and you don't blame Kishi for that..but when he gets upgraded, Kishi this Kishi that...

Kimco take a good look at the bolded, i also mentioned the same thing to Ihedinobi, don't try comparing hidan to pain only Firestar is allowed to do that, Hidan has only one technique, one weapon and one tactic that's all, shikamaru had days in advance to plan so what are you saying abeg hidan no be person. if nn hidan dey fight itachi, it would take just one amaterasu to destabilize hidan.

Even i will say that Sasuke will have slaughtered Shikamaru in the early parts of naruto shippuden. Did you see how sasuke moved during the first time that naruto met him? or how he fell 1oo ninjas without hurting a single one? That was then when i was tripping for /sasuke the Uchiha prince.

kimco: Shikamaru is wanted as a guardian for a reason. He's dat gud. wars are won by soldiers like him, short lived victories won by soldiers like naruto. Know this.

Bros this is an insult to naruto. It is soldiers like the first and madara that go down in history as the greatest ninjas to ever live. even as tobirama smart reach, he isn't as renown as harashima. Harashima during his time was able to balance the peace in the shinobi world by his tailed beasts subjugation and distribution. Analysts like shikamru make a difference but not in the way you put it up there. I use Harashima as an analogy for naruto because they are similar

Ihedinobi: I de follow you argue am?


Why give Shikamaru anything?




[quote author=Ihedinobi]You're not forgetting that Shikaku's lack of the Kyuubi's powers did not prevent him from understanding how best Naruto could use them, are you? Shikamaru had seen that Naruto could share his chakra with everyone. He had seen that as long as there is contact with Yondaime or his chakra, an object or person could be FTG'ed out of dodge. Why was he slower to connect the two than Naruto? Shikaku prolly would have instructed Naruto to pull the stunt before Naruto thought to think of it...Or maybe not

Guy, your excuse didn't work.

Hello, wasn't it naruto's dad that explained it, what if shikamaru did not hear what he heard and was left to figuring it all out just from what is happening besides there are some variables that he cannot merely consider as an onlooker, which are
1, the fact that perhaps remnants of the previously shared chakra are still there and that naruto could reactivate them remotely
2. That naruto could connect his dad to everyone and do the Hiraishin on that scale
3. That the 4th had any markings outside the barrier.
Mind you, kyuubi techniques are different from the FTG which is more like a family technique. Still i do admit that this is probably not a very strong defense

Ihedinobi: Array of jutsu ke? Rasengan, rasenshuriken, kage bunshin, kuchiyose. Wetin again d niggie get? They've all been growing, all the new generation. I'd be the first to tell anyone that, but no one has grown as fast and as much as Naruto except maybe Sasuke.

And Naruto's growth has not been in jutsus, it's been in power and battle ability - how to use the resources at his disposal for max effect.

Rasengan and all it's variants are different justsus from the same source in my opinion except you want to classify them as one justsu. And i also believe that growth is being able to form the planetary rasengan and the rasenshuriken from the rasengan and apart from that the rest of his jutsu growth has been from the tailed beast which is just speed and power like you said. Every one grows in battle ability and the source of naruto's growth in power is the Kyuubi which shikamru doesn't have, going by what you put above shikamaru actually has only one jutsu apart from the general kage bunshin (which he would not even use anyway) and his growth is in manipulating that justsus in different ways with his average chakra and you'd agree with me that Naruto has more resources to manage than Shikamaru

Ihedinobi: I think you've missed a bunch of people out in first place.

Shikaku, Nidaime, Kakashi, Itachi, Shikamaru, Madara, Naruto and Shodaime are all prolly on a par.

I well i'll agree with the addition of shikaku and madara but i don't think so for Kakashi and shodaime, theirs is probably battle experienced based, like from the pain vs jiraya part, jiraiya was able to keep up with pain in terms of intelligence but pain had the element of surprise and that's where he won the fight unlike itachi who used only 4 jutsus to defeat Sasuke in all the fight. What i mean is give naruto the level of battle experience and years that those people(Kakashi, shodaime) have and he#ll probably surpass them in battle intelligence with the stunts he's already pulling for his age.

Ihedinobi: How powerful and devious were Hidan and Kakuzu? How young and strong was Shikamaru when he took Hidan down and helped take Kakuzu out too? How many jutsus and jutsu variants did he possess in comparison with them? How about the chunnin exam? Shikamaru against Temari?

Like some wise guy once said, it's not merely how good the tool is but how good the user is with the tool that counts. Is it not one rasengan that Naruto has made into all manner of things sef?

Hidan has only one technique mind you and that is his Curse Technique: Death Controlling Possessed Blood apart from that nothing and then his weapon that he swings around with which his major tactic swinging it hoping to get a piece of his opponents blood and then using it to initiate the technique and you forget that it was the second time that shikamaru was seeing hidan in action as well as kakazu and he wasn't alone, it is right to believe that shikamaru could defeat hidan well and then shikamaru helped in that fight with hidan but the main combatants were kakashi and the rest.

and the Tool that the 'wise person' was referring to was the Sharingan and you know how many other tools that possessing this 'one tool' grants you so the saying cannot be applied to this case.

kimco: and the naruto u're gyping nearly got mauled by kakuzu untill the kakashi i'm hyping saved his a.s.s. The naruto u're hyping again was pinned down like a rabbit until the unhyped hinata came to his rescue....got anymore? And even that with intel and help oo. Kakashi did it on his own, nearly suceeded and even got vital intel for naruto.

I said shikamaru thinks on the go AS WELL. Read the post carefully. It was a counter to ur naruto is battle smart argument. See as u dey deflect argument. *hey i'm speaking naija pidgin* lol.

I need to rewatch that fight to come and analyse and then come and tell you what really happened.
Which time did Kakashi fight pain on his own, weren't Choji and Choza fighting with him from what i remember? and the it was three people against just two paths and kakashi just died meanwhile Naruto defeated 4 paths of pain including Preta path that he defeated twice, singlehandedly though granted that he had intel

The only bad thing about this battle is that it is making everyone to show themselves especially naruto and then people like sauke are watching and learning and when the real fight comes now and sasuke is forming skills for naruto and is succesfully evading his own we will be saying that Sasuke is so smart, this and that but if they had just fought each other straight off.

then Sasuke would have been saying "He can use all this chakra perfectly is that all he became" with bijuu dama on his head and then blood rushing from his mouth and the probably saying something finally like "I leave my will of becoming a hokage to you" and naruto will say "Okay bro, i'll add it to the list"

rapmike: Agreed. In as much as i lyke naruto,he is far behind d likes of k-man,shikamaru and many odas even sasuke in battle smartness. If u doubt check d 1st page of d last chap, shikamaru cnt jump d gun lyke dat. Y i wil agree dat shikamaru wil be dead b4 he cn hit obito is dat his movements wil be considerably slower dan dat of naruto,nt d speed of planning?

and i can categorically tell you that shikamaru will be dead before the fight even reaches that level and i can also bilogically tell you that naruto is smarter than sasuke in battle smartness right now or have you not been reading the last few mangas?

kimco: He test things out, that gud. But against characters like pain, he'll be dead during the testing. Did u not see how kakuzu nearly mauled him till kakashi came to his rescue

The kakashi you are hyping, tested pain too and he used up half his chakra in the testing and then he actually died. The kakshi you are also hyping was almost stripped naked from beating by kakuzu

kimco: shikamaru's character is what i call a wonderfully made character. Makes use of his resources, has logic backing his plans etc. He can think on the go as well, asuma praised him for that, even kakashi, when he was a ble to device a plan on the go when he kakashi had jux joined

it is only shikamru that thinks on the go, Naruto plans all his battle inside his room before he comes out every morning

Ihedinobi: See this man! Se you don form celeb finish! Where you go hide since everybody jus de find you?

Shikamaru...200...sometin somtin...wetin wetin...nonsense

My guy, se no be Naruto reason how to move everybody comot dat barrier ni? How about the time he tested Sai's fighting style? Omo, I no get power to list examples abeg. I would like to see you bet on Shikamaru in a fight between him and Naruto. Naruto would nearly lose, I'm sure, and then beat the crap out of Shikamaru.

Naruto is a dumbo, granted, but not on the battlefield. He has the most annoying brain farts even on the battlefield, still.

Guy 20 mins battle genius is different from 24 hour genius.. i would like to see Naruto Vs shikamaru with kakashi's powers and see what would happen. I'm one of the firm believers in Naruto's battle ability, i said that his mother's brain is the one that is in control during the normal period but once he is in the battle field, it's his dad's brain that takes over.

Wasn't it naruto that was saying the Kakashi was a ninja with Shikamaru level of intelligence and Rock lee's level of Taijutsu mastery.. Sakura even menetioned even saying the he was the smartest ninja in the fire nation. you know all this, point is that shikamaru is severly limited in justsus, so there are less variables for him to consider for use abi na shikamaru you want make him come up with the idea on how to use senjutsu and also how to apply the flying god Thunder technique, when she doesn't have the full idea of the inner principles of the technique.
Naruto is the top most user of kage bunshin no justsu in konoha, has mastered the art of sharing chakra to everyone with the kyuubi on the battle field, connecting to a Hiraishin user and then using the technique himself and combined with his mid battle genius, he had everything needed to come up with the solution.

On the other hand what i believe is that even after all the talk about sasuke's genius since part one, if the battle between him and naruto really set then naruto will be smarter than sasuke but i guess you already agree with that since you've gone past sasuke and conpared naruto to Shikamaru. now agree with me so that we can face the oncoming counter arguments together

Ihedinobi: Lol. Naruto bias indeed!

I know Naruto isn't either. What makes Naruto something is the fact that he grows in battle. You fight him, you better kill him dead, one slipup on your part could mean your end, that's who Naruto is. Dumb as a cow, but smarter than Shikamaru.

How fast do you think Naruto was at figuring out how to get out of that barrier? How much smarter do you think he's gonna get? The guy is, like you said, getting there. Shikamaru, Itachi and Kakashi, even Sasuke, have him well beat in intellectual ability ordinarily, but he keeps showing that he's worth more than them in battle. When he matures, I'd like to hear your argument again.

LOl,
1. Who doesn't grow in battle, is it because naruto is the only one whose growth is most noticeable with his accumulation of a wide array of jutsu
2. Forget in real life, in battle the only people i'll say that are smarter than naruto are Itachi and Shikamaru (Jara: Nidiame).
3. you need to consider the Jutsu array of a ninja when talking about the intelligence of the ninja because it is the number of jutsu that a ninja can use that he can then apply his creativity in more ways for a variety of effects. a painter will just two colours in his palette is still going to look somewhat inferior to a painter with all 7 colours in his own palette evn if he is a better painter. Naruto has massive Chakra, different rasengan variants and the rasenshuuriken variant and then he has sage mode and kyuubi npower and even their combination, he doesn't have to smarter than shikamaru to crush him especially when all that we have seen shikamaru use is just variants of the Kage mane no Jutsu, the only thing that will trip us is the way shikamru will avoid being killed for a long time and how he applies his knowledge of naruto's techniques due to their being friends and fighting together for a long time.

Point is naruto is smart in battle but he is not smarter then shikamaru in battle just has more jutsus and therefore more paths through which he can apply his creativity

Feraz: And Wackyj1 is present.

The Kuchiyose that this guy used was too strong

Ihedinobi: WackyJ1, I think, was the one insisting. Wey dat guy sef?

Ihedinobi: What part of his explanation again? I get that he didn't want to share his place with the toad so he didn't let them merge with Naruto. I also get that he was a lil bit, shall we say, jealous of the Sage mode so he didn't let Naruto realize he could use it in Kyuubi mode. When Naruto saw Nagato he got so mad and some of the Kyuubi's chakra leaked through and mixed with the Nature Energy from the Sage Mode instead of cancelling it out and enhanced it sorta.

In short, says Kurama, Naruto, you is a bad dude, nigga, you so freakin awesome you can adapt any chakra to you, gaddem! So now you can mix Kyuubi mode with Sage Mode too, you is one bad dude, nigga.

I didn't say it o

and i say that simply put the reason that the Kyuubi rejected pa is the same reason why naruto was able to overcome the chakra road that nagato put in him: The kyuubi hates any external chakra influence inside naruto and since chakra was linked with consciousness in both cases, the kyuubu was able to lash out and destabilize both pa and nagato, disabling pa and then allowing naruto to take out the chakra rod.

Ihedinobi: More or less what I expected you to say Naruto screwed up in his fight with Nagato, yes, but did you ever think to ask why? That, I strongly believe, would help you understand him a bit more.

Yes, he's all passion and craziness, but Naruto is one of the battle-smartest Shinobi in this manga You really wanna debate that? He's the sort of guy that, in my own coinage, thinks on his feet. He tests things because he can't be bothered to merely think them through.

Sigh, i see ihedinobi is handling things well around here. The above is true

Ihedinobi: He can't think up a strategy until he's in a fight but when he's in one, [b]Shikamaru would come a distant second to him in smarts. [/b]I kid you not.

Bros the bolded is so totally false
1. Shikamaru has an iq of over 200
2. he thinks like ten steps ahead or more, the farthest that i've seen naruto think is just 3 steps.
Bla bla bla you know the rest

Is this phone available in benin? and for how much? I'm already doing major advertisement for this phone and i don't even have it,

bettyaliu: tnx l told him am nt interested and l dnt pick his call anymore.

When push comes to shove
And he stands before you whispering sweet words
with that smile on his face and his cute pleading look that you guys should still remain friends
Will you forget about your boyfriend you claim to love
or will you take a stand and tell the guy enough is enough?

Popowaa: Same with girls and the girls are even worse

Raises her hand and kisses it. From the pope because you speak the truth

This poster is just something else... Guys do you see why we say it is good to have backup.

You cheated on your boyfriend and you think it's not cheating, because your boyfriend took it easy with you..?
Your boyfriend understood but what is powering that understanding is it love? If he really did it for love then he loves you more than you love him.. If you truly loved him you wouldn't have kissed the guy TWICE!!
Not even once.. But TWICE.. what does that say about your character.
1. You lack self control, discipline
2. You are greedy
3. You're taking your boyfriend for granted
4. You lack sense because
a. You didn't think you cheated even after cheating emotionally and then physically twice
b. You're too dull to see that the guy just wants your p.u.ssy and that your boyfriend could have other plans.
5. You lack good judgement
6. You love deceiving yourself

Have you heard what is called emotional Cheating? You did that well enough and then proceeded to do the physical twice and yet you still don't call it cheating? Did you even tell your boyfriend that it was twice it happened? You probably didn't.
if we don't judge you for making a mistake and apologising fine. But i will damn well judge you for taking that kind of stand. If you fail to assess yourself and know what you want then you'll continue cheating..
you continue deceiving yourself and telling yourself you didn't cheat, go round and ask matured people what to call what you did... You keep telling yourself that your boyfriend is understanding but know that there is the straw that breaks the camels back.
People here are telling you the truth, forget the judgemental tone and look at the message, that's maturity. Instead of defending yourself.. There are somethings you need to hear don't ignore them for the sweet sounding message you want to hear.
Okay i've berated you enough. What is the way forward?
1. Tell that guy off now. The only reason you're just taking a passive action instead of an active action is because you still like him, you want to stand on the fence so that you can claim it is not your fault if the guy seeks you out. That's cowardice and with all i've said above, shows the kinda person you are
2. Reassess yourself and know why you keep doing what you do, why the thought of your boyfriend does not prevent you from doing the things you do. Whether you really love your boyfriend, know what you want and the right thing to do and stop claiming defense by saying you're not the first person to do it. It's pathetic... Cheers. My 5000kobo