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superhumanist:
Why are you lying that the fist 2 conventions were poorly attended? One event had 2500 people while the other had 4000 people.




"The same convention in 2010 included Dawkins (perhaps near the height of his post-God Delusion fame) and PZ Myers (whose Pharyngula website was head and shoulders more popular than any other atheist blog at the time). Approximately 2,500 people attended the event.

In 2012, not long after the death of Christopher Hitchens, the guests included the remaining “horsemen” (Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris). They were joined onstage by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The other presenters included philosophers Peter Singer and A.C. Grayling, physicist Lawrence Krauss, and science advocate Eugenie Scott. That event drew over 4,000 attendees"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/11/22/what-can-we-learn-from-the-cancellation-of-the-global-atheist-convention/

superhumanist:
Which proof? Did I not show you proof by quoting an atheist who blamed our country's problems on greed, corruption etc?


Ogbeni, you just want to repeat yourself.

Butterflyleo:
You can be such a dolt. Now you blame slavery ON RELIGION and not on greed, selfishness or politics or even culture but strictly on religion. Yet on winner01s thread you shamelessly lied that atheism questions other things besides religion.

Here you are doing exactly the opposite to your claim on that thread.

Besides all this slavery nonsense has been tackled before. Always check nairaland for threads to avoid opening similar threads where issues of this nature have already been trashed. Nobody has time to waste on repetitions.

superhumanist:
A Black Florida State Representative, Kimberly Daniels, clearly stated that she was thankful for enslavement of black people in America-


https://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/sites/410/2018/03/DanielsFL1.png



This is a clear example of how religion has defiled and decimated the thinking faculties of the black man, both in the West and in Africa. Even here on nairaland, we have people who are happy that Europeans came and colonized Nigeria because they feel that the Europeans brought christianity and civilization to Nigeria.




These are the things that religion does to the black man

1. Christianity makes blacks worship a white (Italian looking) Jesus

2. Christianity makes blacks to praise their slavemasters because they brought christianity

3. Christianity makes black to become slaves to Isreal. Pilgrimage and supporting Isreal over Palestine. Also see the clowns called "Igbo Jews".

4. Christianity makes religious Nigerians to support a madman like Donald Trump over Obama.

5. Islam.........Just take a look at Northern Nigeria.....enough said.

superhumanist:
I'm not here to do your research for you. I have already quoted one post that clearly destroys your claim.


Feel free to bask in ignorance. Thanks

superhumanist:
The dictionary has a definition of atheism and it has nothing to do with science.

Please, keep your lies to yourself.

superhumanist:
Stop changing topic abeg. You claimed that atheists don't question atheism. I gave you clear reasons why that is nonsense. For one atheists generally move along the -deist-agnostic-humanist-atheist spectrum. They question themselves too

superhumanist:


Is it not still questioning atheism? Please, stop saying things that do not make sense. The Dawkins scale works for everyone. Even christians use it. I remember having a debate with a christian who said that he is a "1" on the scale- meaning that he 100% believes in God.


I have been a christian, deist, agnostic, atheist etc......I have been through the rabbit hole and back.

You have always been a christian. Sincerely you are an unqualified novice when it comes to questioning beliefs or disbelief.

superhumanist:


Is it not still questioning atheism? Please, stop saying things that do not make sense. The Dawkins scale works for everyone. Even christians use it. I remember having a debate with a christian who said that he is a "1" on the scale- meaning that he 100% believes in God.


I have been a christian, deist, agnostic, atheist etc......I have been through the rabbit hole and back.

You have always been a christian. Sincerely you are an unqualified novice when it comes to questioning beliefs or disbelief.

superhumanist:
First, I addressed different points the op made and he has replied defending some of them. So, it is you who does not understand.



To show how dense you are, let me show you where atheists have criticized the Nigerian government.



First, here is an atheist blaming not only religion but politics and greed also for Nigeria's problems-

quote author=CAPSLOCKED post=65741314]


PROSCRIBING THEM AS TERRORISTS IS NOT ENOUGH TO DENT THEIR INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION.

THEY'RE MINDFUL, PROUD PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT KOBOS FROM SPONSORS TO THROW BOMBS AT EACH OTHERS, LIKE THE NORTHERNERS.


IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT OUR ONCE MIGHTY RICH, PEACEFUL, AND POWERFUL NATION HAS BEEN TORN APART BY GREED, HATRED, TRIBALISM, RELIGION, AND POLITICS.


When I have time, I will search and post more


cc Winner01

superhumanist:
Please stop posting nonsense meme pics then. Your pic clearly stated that atheists blame only religion for evils in this world


www.nairaland.com/attachments/4284754_s17716603edit_jpeg9ab558c6ad86ebb9149411d826434815

superhumanist:
See lies! What is the sixth defintion of atheism in your nonsense meme pic? Is it not claiming that atheists define atheism as "science"?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4014016_1203889711153861451720936240045213250362501o_jpeg4f6aff35b721e5ac3edf7cf4c753f218

superhumanist:
Which summarizes the nonsense written in the op.

Even atheists question atheism. Using the Dawkins scale, many atheists slide between hard atheism and agnosticism because one must always leave room for a possibility that something could exist and we may not know about it.

dalaman:
I asked you earlier to tell me the benefit or advantge of the hope and comfort your religion offers you and you went off saying its some spiritual mumbo jumbo and you started talking about christian fiction and mythology. Now what else are you still talking about?

CoolUsername:
Atheists who question atheism are agnostic atheists. Most atheists identify as that.

superhumanist:
Winner01 and butterflyleo are experts in the kitchen sink or gish-gallop method of arguing.

superhumanist:
You post a verbose wall of nonsense for the opponent to unravel.


The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

superhumanist:
Just look at the number of falsehoods in the op

1. Atheists define atheism as "science"

2. Atheists only blame religion for the evils of society. (REALLY? So atheist nigerians dont blame corrupt govt?)

3. Atheists only question religion and don't question other areas of life. (Note that there are religious atheists)

4. Atheism is a belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion


What nonsense

CoolUsername:
That's what agnostic atheism is.

Seunosewapenis:
Its actually not a debate.it's more like a Q&A.Anyway are you interested or you going to chicken out like your fellow Christians.I know you know where my questions might lead to thats why you are all avoiding it.Well lemme mention some atheist so they can take note of this.
Hahn seun hopefullandlord jackbizzle and co.

Seunosewapenis:
Hopefullandlord or seun please help me mention his other monikers

Butterflyleo:
Ogbeni your mind is sparking fire. How did you charge it to that point?

Everything you wrote here is very true.

budaatum:
The way a devil would work would be to get you involved in what concerns it so that you would not concentrate on what concerns you. It would eat up your time with things it claims to believe exists but which it does not quite know exists itself because the fact that you might not believe what it believes puts doubt in its belief in it's own existence. It would take you on a merry-go-round to absolutely nowhere because that's where it is stuck, and if it is not consuming your time and effort it becomes irrelevant. This is the reason some believe their gods created them, to serve and worship them! And in reward, it makes them think it blesses them. But this is achieved by making them think those who do not bow to their gods are not blessed, and this, despite vast amounts of evidence which they themselves, see before them. And to live in hope, they create an imaginary afterdeath of blissful existence that only they would get to go to, while they completely ignore reality.

The devil is just another god that only exists in their mind, so you might understand how simple it is to make it disappear as if in a puff of smoke. You might from that understand how they must so tenaciously hold on to the figment of their imaginations. The thought that you could dare to be free scares them! The idea that you would not tremble in fear at the mention of their gods makes them tremble in fear at your existence! "We shall not have unenslaved people like you around, least you unenslave others!" "O, shall we therefore destroy you least others become as you", and their gods and they themselves lose relevance! Who will work in their gardens then? On whom would they prey if eyes open?

O what lives of enslavement they live.

Atheism is not some religion. And we do not congregate like those who convince themselves that godpots exist between the Earth and Mars which they must bow to and worship in fear. One is an atheist because the chains of religious enslavement have been broken. Yet, we don't go about slapping ourselves on the back to reinforce our sense of freedom. Nor do we go about evangelising as they do either. For we don't need them to abandon the gods they so strongly hold on to. If their gods exist, surely we too would become aware of it. And if gods don't exist, surely, people are able to realise that for themselves.

Rest assured wirinet, we watch. Its just that many have learnt not to bring the devils into existence by allowing it to always occupy the mind with its nonsensical, ignorant, illogical, irrational, merrygoroundism which they claim is 'love' but which is borne out of hatred of the worst kind with devilish intent.

The proper response for devils is, "Get thee behind me Satan!" It means, "Disappear, Satan!" Which, even when they disguise themselves as the gods, is what they truly are, completely irrelevant, in the long run, and eventually, dead!

Seun:
winner01, you should call the popular atheist experience show of Austin to present your winning arguments and win converts globally. The next live show takes place this weekend.

bennyann:
I'm also a Barça fan o

Talking about neutral grounds, isn't it obvious atheists strive only on religious grounds? They even become like wolves on the Christian ground. They're just like a parasite on a religious host. Take away religion and let's see what they can feed on.

Later they will say atheism is not a religion. If it's only religion that makes them see themselves as intellectuals, since they can't strive without it, then please take it not away from them.

Deicide:
I have just noticed something winner01 is felixmoron i don't have evidence I just feel it in my heart

superhumanist:
1. If you hold 2 massive global conventions that leads to many local conventions, how would the third global conventions have any novelty? Are you thinking at all?

2. Dawkings was great until his misfirings against feminists and muslims

superhumanist:
It comes as no surprise that conservative websites made fun of the cancelled atheist convention.

It shows where butterflyl1on aka butterflyleo gets his mom's formation from.

From simple research, there were numerous reasons why the atheist convention failed. As usual, the op failed to give any of the real reasons....


1. Novelty has worn off- atheist conventions are no more new and exciting.

2. Local conventions have arisen and now suffice for many atheists....so why pay expensive tickets to Australia?

3. Not everyone likes Dawkings who is one of the chief speakers at the event.

sonofthunder:
tell us the truth about atheism, why should folks leave "myths" and embrace atheism?

Kinggnicole:
I wonder how the world would have been if humans had decided to wait for heaven and do nothing to improve our planet (they call it hope of eternal life)

How many lives would have been lost if we had waited for God to heal our diseases and done nothing? (hope of divine healing)

Bad things happen and good things happen. This is reality. False hope doesn't change that.

The hope religion offers is to a large extent false(except in very rare cases, the placebo effect).

Religion has a very large extent of its hope in the afterlife. The afterlife has not been proven to either exist or not exist. The truth remains that we don't know. What we know is the life we have NOW.

It's amazing how much humanity has achieved as a race and how much more we can achieve if only we can act! This is the real HOPE. That we are capable, we are able to make the world a better place, to solve problems, to discover and achieve our full potentials if we ACT!!!

This Hope, the real hope may not be as "fairytale -like" as the false hope religion offers but it's worth it .
THIS IS THE HOPE THAT MAKES US ACT.
THE REAL HOPE GETS THINGS DONE.

Butterflyleo:
Still the same thing I said. God brought judgement.

The flood was judgement as clearly stated in scriptures.

What reason did the atheist governments have to kill and murder as if they were clearing grass and for many it was done through public executions just to spread fear and cause the people to cower in dread.

God is the owner of his creation so he has the right to judge. What has an atheist ever created that he would have the right to terminate? Yet they terminated a combined figure of almost 200million in just 100 years. Something that ALL THE WARS AND CRUSADES IN THE HISTORY of mankind have been unable to come close but they in their usein Bolt bigoted approach broke all records.

purem:
WTF you talking geez

Outdid God?


Geez! God eradicated the whole world during the time of Noah