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ono:
The onus is on you to provide proof. If after all the investigations done by the Justice department IG Horowitz, 2 impeachment moves, a NY attorney general Letticia James foaming from all sides, and Trump is clean! then your assertions hold no water abeg.

No one and I said no one said Trump is clean. That's only in your worship dogma doctrine. What Mueller concluded was that there was no enough evidence to charge Trump with collusion. Secondly, he can not charge Trump with obstruction of justice nor can he exonerate him. He advice the Congress to look into it and make the determination in the future.

basilico:
Nothing new? Get serious.They listed all irregularities in their finding.
Your mind is closed.
Did Clinton not scream Russia Russia , created fake stories to remove Trump.
A lawyer was indicted the other day. Another was also previously indicted over thag fake conspiracy Russia collusion story

What concerns Clinton screaming Russia Russia with attempting to disenfranchise or decertify millions of voters?

Did not Trump give the "Russia, if you are listening, find those emails" on live TV?

Did Don Junior not meet with Russian agent Maria Butina and lied that he did not tell his father?

Did Trump everyone in Trumps campaign not lie about their interactions with the Russians.

Did not not have a meeting with Putin with no official present but only the interpreter who was instructed not to take notes? Till today no one knew what was discussed in that meeting. If Biden should meet with Xi Jingpin under the same conditions, I am sure you would call for Biden’s head.

You that your mind is open have not told us the new findings of the audit.

What about what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30, are you saying he is lying?

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Sleekfingers:
There is no single Christian in nigeria....they are all hypocrites and .........make una fill the rest

Gbam. Nigerian Christians are Christians of convenience. The become Christians or claim to be Christians because of personal selfish interests, i.e. they are after sudden wealth, health or social status.

I am expecting people filled with descerning spirit or holy spirit to help us explain the seeming contradiction.

basilico:
This is what the media should be reporting. Instead they are lying to their readers

[b]To begin you should know that the Dems sent more than 100 attorneys to Phoenix to try to stop the audit, filing 5 different lawsuits, all of which failed. As you have heard our national media has tried to paint this audit as being somehow fraudulent. The Biden DOJ filed suit, ultimately preventing the auditors from conducting a physical canvas, claiming it would amount to voter intimidation.

The Maricopa County Board of supervisors which run the election in the county have been subpoenaed multiple times to provide information and still to this day refuse to turn over the routers from the counting center on election day, the laptops used by the poll workers and several other critical pcs of hardware. Note: from day 1, Dominion voting systems (voting machines) and the BOS have claimed that none of the equipment was ever connected to the internet.

In reality all of the voting machines were connected to Internet. Forensic analysis on the equipment that was turned over shows: • 85,000 files were deleted from the election management servers from 10/21 to 11/5 via remote access • 1M election management system files were deleted from the server from 11/1 to 3/16 via remote access • On 2/21, the day before the audit was to begin, the entire SQL Server database from the 2020 election was deleted from the election management server. (they have managed to secure video footage of the county employees performing this delete)

By Federal law election data must be preserved for a minimum of 22 months

Here are the findings reported yesterday by the auditors from the physical count (Biden margin of victory 10k): • 255,326 early voters who have no matching voter records • 17,322 duplicate ballot envelops – 90% received after election day • 9,041 more ballots received than mailed out • 1,551 more ballots received than eligible voters • 399 mail in ballots received that were never mailed out • 23,344 ballots received from voters who were not eligible to vote as they had moved out of state • 2,382 in person votes received from voters who were not eligible • 5,295 voters voted in multiple counties • 282 dead people voted
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It's difficult to argue with someone with Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). Most real Republicans have come to terms with the fact that Trump lost. But few QAnon and far right people still hold unto the falsehood of the election being rigged.

What did the report state that had not been stated immediately the result was announced? Did Cyberninja bring any new info? What new info justifies the spending of $9 million and 6 months of audit?
You obsessed guys just keep repeating the same line over and over again even after promising earth shaking Kraken every time. So what new date is your new earth shaking Kraken going to be released?

I have said from the beginning all these shenanigans is just to keep Trump's base riled up enough for the next elections and to continue to line Trump's pockets.

I did not even want to respond to your stupid conclusion that the whole of Arizona elections should be decertified? Decertified by who?
There is no way a private company can decertify an election after it had been certified by all relevant constitutional bodies. Even the courts and the Senate can no longer decertify the 2019 elections. How supposedly educated people cannot understand that is beyond me.

It's even crazier to suggest that Arizona legislators can decertify an election already ratified and certified by the US Senate.

Believe me you need help.

There is an apparent bible contradiction on whether God Created Man First or both were created at the same time.

Genesis 2:7 says;

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It continues to elaborate that man was first created in and needed a helper in Genesis 1:20 - 22;

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

But in genesis 1:26-27, God created both man and woman at the same time.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

AmazonTopaz:
Okay. Sad they found nothing and 5.7 million dollars was wasted in donation only for Biden to still remain president

Arizona GOP Chair Calls For New Audit After Biden Confirmed Winner Again. Afterall the Benghazi embassy affair was investigated by Republicans 11 times. The Maricopa County election needs 10 more audits before Republicans will give up.

benalvino3:
Of course the vaccine is not perfect. Polio vaccine is a lot safer than covid vaccine. I won't think twice taking polio vaccine but you always know my concern. The side effects from the vaccine is high, very high and that's the problem. They are also covering up cases.

No vaccine, medicine or food is perfectly safe.
How do you know polio vaccine is a lot safer than covid vaccine? Some children react adversely to polio vaccine. If you have taken your baby to take the measles, polio and others (can't remember all now ) vaccines before, your baby will cry for the next 3 days. You will be adviced to administer pain relief medicines.

Why would they be covering up cases. If You want the safety data for covid vaccines, you can get it from the clinical trials.

Have you taken the vaccine?

Yes I am fully vaccinated with the astrazenica vaccine. I did not react to the first dose I took about 3 months ago. But with the second dose, I did not get myself for 3 days.

Luckily i took it with my aged mum. My mum went to the Olu of Warri coronation and sat next to a chief. (Chief Ikomi) who was a friend of hers. Last week we heard the chief died of covid 19. Thank God my mum was fully vaccinated.

benalvino3:
Its not about fear, it's about the truth. The vaccine itself does not harm most people who take it but there is still a lot of people who are having issues from the vaccine. That's the worry. These people want you to feel there is nothing to worry about and now they are hiding data. The vaccine has not done its job. People still spread covid and die from it after the vaccine, drugs that help with treatment of covid are being demonized by the media and you yourself. These drugs are being prescribed by doctors but you will say it's a bad drug or horse drug because the media has been telling you that.

That's the nature of all medicines and even food. There is no medicine in the world that is 100% safe for everyone one. What is considered safe is usually when less than 1% react adversely to a medication. Now for you to question a vaccine that has been given to billions of people with adverse reaction or death for less than a few tens of thousands, and you are here questioning the safety and efficacy of such a medicine is disingenuous. It's worse that you are promoting a treatment with far worse safety numbers - hydoxychloroquine and ivermicine, that has not been approved by most doctors. All because of party affiliations and loyalty.

You keep calling the GQP, 40% of the black population are skeptical about the vaccine. They are GQP? Skeptism of the vaccine is not from GOP. You have skeptics all over the world, it's a normal thing. Spreading propaganda like it is just GOP is disingenuous.

More than 40% of northern Nigerians are skeptical about the polio vaccine. See the consequences. When the rest of the world is polio free, northern Nigeria still spread the wild polio virus. Skeptism based on religious or political affiliations is madness.

benalvino3:
In the US more than 85% of the women who have abortion are unmarried. In Nigeria there are more abortion done by unmarried than married. In China it is a different case because they are allowed only one baby. China have 25million or more abortion in a year. Mainly forced abortion.

UK, the rate of unmarried abortion is significantly higher than married.

In the UK they have child benefits, you cannot claim a child should be aborted because of poverty there.

Yes when you talk of legal abortion, as single ladies are more likely to be more open about abortion. Abortion statistics are difficult to ascertain as many women, nurses and doctors would not participate in surveys.

Read this report on the abortion statistics from ultra conservative Utah

Behind the numbers: How to make sense of Utah's abortion rate for married women

In Utah, more than a quarter of women who had abortions in 2013 were married. Nationwide, fewer than 15 percent were.

The difference is striking in a conservative state that is home to some of the nation's most restrictive abortion laws and has a population that values marriage and large families. It's a percentage that has remained high for more than two decades. Yet understanding what's behind the numbers and what it says about Utah is difficult to decipher.

Utah led the nation in the percentage of women who had abortions who were married not only in 2013 (the last year for which federal statistics are available) but every year since 2004. Some years, the state exceeded the national average by 20 percentage points or more. Yet the number of abortions among married women in Utah is not as high as in other states.

In 2013, 746 married women had abortions in Utah, according to the CDC. In Kansas, another state with a population of about 3 million, 990 married women did, even though the 13.5 percent of Kansas women who had abortions who were married is close to the national average and much lower than Utah's.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2017/6/14/20614180/behind-the-numbers-how-to-make-sense-of-utah-s-abortion-rate-for-married-women

benalvino3:
Leave wirinet, he is an atheist and he is very confused. He does not understand most things when it comes to ethics and morality. He has been trying to attack religious groups because of his atheism but he does not present and significant atheist organizations that help homeless people and orphans. He wants babies to be killed if their family is poor, he does not understand that some children who come from poor family usually become a blessing to the society. He claimed he does not like children being born into poverty. That's not a viable reason. Like you ask him.

Who decides the rate at which one is poor before they kill their kids? You would think because of poverty and all the reasons he is giving he would strongly support contraceptives but he is not doing that. He is making the case instead for women skipping contraceptives and employ abortion as contraceptives.

He wants to live in a world where irresponsible people with money flaring but he want to take away the life of people who are not rich enough. They don't have the right to live because they pocket is not deep.

Most of these folks here lack morality, sadly wirinet atheism is making him less concerned with human life.

You are entering next level with your red herring arguments and fallacies. Where did I or anyone suggest that babies should be ripped from poor families and slaughtered. Even the legal status of the foetus we are talking about did not suggest forcefully teminiating the pregnancy of a woman without the consent of the woman.
The crux of the abortion debate has always been about the rights of the woman over her body. I have asked numerous times what you guys suggest if ab initio the woman who discovered she is pregnant says she doesn't want to have or keep the baby. All I am hearing from you guys is "she must suffer the consequences of her actions". I asked what of the baby itself, why should it also suffer the consequences of her actions also. I am still waiting for an answer.

I don't attack religious people as most people around me are religious. Those I attack are religious fundamentalists - both christian and Muslim, who forcefully impose their religious beliefs on others, sometimes through violence.

What an irony, you are accusing me who says unwanted children should not be brought into the world to suffer and constitute societal nuisance, of not presenting any significant atheist organizations that help homeless people and orphans. Meanwhile, you that believe in bringing into the world children irrespective of whether it is wanted or not have not done or presented anything for their care and upkeep.
For your information, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, set up by an atheist has helped more poor people than any religious organization.

Dapcity007:
That doesn't justify the morality of abortion, you can't predict anyone's future, if abortion worked why do you have many single mothers, creating babies unmarried, consciously with irresponsible men, can't they see that only Marital institution can enforce responsiblity in men, yet they chose to get pregnant without using contraceptives

The keyword is choice . The single women chose to be single mothers. Some chose not to be. It's not in your place to choose for them. You have no role whatsoever to play in the pregnancy process of an anonymous woman. You are not the one that would bear the risks, pains and costs of the pregnancy. A typical example is Linda Ikeji. She chose not to marry but be a single mother. She is happy with her choice.

The abortion debate has little to do with the marital institution. It's not only single women that have unwanted pregnancies. It is even suggested that married women perform more abortions than single women.

Dapcity007:
Slavery was economical too, there is no ethical justification for killing unborn infants

Look for the dictionary and legal definition of infant.

Slavery is still rife in many parts of the world today, especially in ultra religious countries that criminalise abortion.

Dapcity007:
The left can never win the morality of Abortion, a new DNA was formed, contraception is easily accessible in these mordern era unlike the past, they should just own it,they see Infants as intrinsically worthless and derive sadistic pleasure in spilling their blood to glorify women and empower them to go against their maternal instincts of nuturing to seeing children as burden and problem

Very powerful social re-engineering and re-conditoning to Masculine women so they can be career oriented instead of family focused as their primal instincts evolved to be, making women easily exploited by the coporations since they are the largest consumerism base and also they prove cheap labor force making wages go down or stagnant

Abortion is not a moral question, it's an economic and social one. If you are against abortion no one will force you to do one.

Dapcity007:
It baffles me that leftist wants us to be sympathetic to unplanned pregnancy, every so-called unwanted pregnancy happened by the conscious act of the perpetrators both male and female to have unprotected sex, with all the birth control options from mordern contraception that are very cheap and easily accessible why would a woman choose to go raw only to spill the blood of the innocent, infact you can even go raw and with pills prevent pregnancy

We leftist accept that every so-called unwanted pregnancy happened by the conscious act of the perpetrators both male and female to have unprotected sex. We are also aware that there are a gazillion birth control options, but the reality is unwanted pregnacies still a fact of life. We are yet to see suggestions from rightist on what to do with unwanted babies. What system or contributions have rightist made to help unwanted babies live a meaningful life?

Just come out with your full chest, pro-death, pro-infanticide, you see the infant as intrinsically worthless piece of cell to be discarded because you hate children fundamentally, seeing them as oppressors against the progress of women

Please look for the definition of an infant. A zygote or a foetus does not fit that definition.

I have always been against bringing children into this world to suffer. The bane of sub Saharan Africa today is millions of unplanned and unproductive children roaming the streets. Whereas a youthful population is meant to be an assert, here it is a liability.

The Irony of your argument is that you that don't hate children don't have any children, is not taking care of any children. I that hate children have three children that are well taken care of and I take care of some of my uncles children.

benalvino3:
You keep saying I am interested in punishing women, I have been the only one talking about women and their safety, and responsibilities and taking measures so they don't get pregnant from a stranger, budaatum you and Enugurangers have attacked me for saying women who want to have fun should not rely on a stranger not to get her pregnant since he mostly does not hope to see her again or care about her well-being.

This is one of your red herring fallacies. 99.9% of women who abort were not impregnated by one night stand strangers. Most women who procure abortion are women in relationships and even marriage, who for various reasons are not prepared to go through the rigours of pregnancy, childbearing and child caring. It may be due to finances, health, lack of support from their partner, career, schooling, not wanting any more chikdren, etc. The bottom line is the woman choose not to carry the pregnancy.

There are a lot of women who gets pregnant and did not abort the baby but they don't know who the father of the baby is. Some have 2 to 3 kids with different father and have no idea who the fathers of their baby is.

And I applaud those women who despite not getting any support from irresponsible men, birth and raise their babies by themselves. The bottom line is, it was their choice and was not forced upon them by benalvino3 and co.

I have said if a woman is pregnant she has a window to do the abortion, I said before the heartbeat and most time it's during rape. Some people on the other hand see abortion as contraceptive. It's unacceptable.

How will a woman know when the heartbeat of the baby starts. Is there some kind of indicator?

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.



Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

Whether 1 month or 9 months, you want to start jailing women who gets pregnant but don't want to have a baby?

Are you more interested in punishing women who was impregnated by irresponsible men but not want to keep the baby. What about the men that got them pregnant in the first place, should they not bear any responsibility?

basilico:
Might as well kill off the undesirables in the society. The elites then choose who lives and dies and who remains a serf.
Sounds racist to me.

Man you like talking off point. What concern the elites with abortion debate. The elites will always be able to procure abortion whether banned or not. It's the poor masses that suffers the consequences of unwanted babies. They are the ones that born like rats.

Enugurangers:
School fees at good schools are insanely expensive.

Good schools ke? Any private school worth to be called a school has doubled its fees.
I have been having headache since my wife told me I much I must pay for my three children this term.

benalvino3:
that's rubbish. how do you know if a baby will be a doctor, a criminal or a lawyer? unwanted babies are bad to the society so lets kill it all the criminals who are bad for the society as well. Oh wait, you cant do that... you people sha.

Why do you always appeal to emotion. The type of arguments you sometimes put out is what I expect to hear from an illiterate okada driver or farmer. I don't expect someone as educated as you purport to be to use the excuse of "you don't know if the pikin would become president" to have children you just can't cater for.

I know okada riders with 5 children living in a "face me I face you, and the wife is pregnant with a sixth. When I asked him why, his argument is the same as yours, only God knows what the children will become.
Sickening!

Tomorrow you will see the children (sometimes as young as carrying plantain on their heads roaming the streets.

Cmanforall:
What?

Sorry to hear your ordeal. This is the situation we fund ourselves in the country. We are almost in a failed state. The government have no interest in protecting the general population, they are only interested in protecting themselves. The police would not even answer you.

The only way of saving your niece is to negotiate with the kidnappers. Keep talking to them and make them realize you are trying to raise the money. From other reports we have read in the media, they kill those that don't have anyone to pay their ransome and sell their body parts to recover some money off the kidnapped. They see it strictly as a business and will not want to lose their assert (your niece) without recovering some money.

God bless you buda for posing this article. People like benalvino3 don't care the negative impact of unwanted babies on women, families and society at large. They just want to satisfy their rabid thirst for revenge and punishment for sexual immorality.

A few months ago, I was late. You know what I mean: My usual period day came and went without a spot, and suddenly every wave of exhaustion, every twinge of anxious nausea, became a harbinger of a very unintended pregnancy, a sign that my NuvaRing had failed me. I’m married, happily at that. And I’m a mother, happily as well. But our family feels “complete,” as demographers put it, at one child. And so my husband and I had to make a choice—or so we thought, for a very tense week before my body made the choice for me. As we lay awake at night whispering pros and cons for continuing the pregnancy, stopping only when our daughter padded in to snuggle under our covers in the predawn hours, I wondered if our mere deliberating might call into question my soundness as a mother. If I, already happily immersed in parenting, chose to terminate, wouldn’t I be unusual for doing so, maybe even stigmatized as a sort of prenatal Medea?

I was wrong. Women who are already mothers have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. When Guttmacher Institute researchers last ran the numbers in 2008 they found that 61 percent of women who terminate a pregnancy in this country already have at least one child. That was before the recession, though—before the poverty rate rose to swallow 40.7 percent of women who head families, many of whom know they can’t afford another child.* So I asked the National Abortion Federation, a professional association of abortion providers, to run the numbers on the women visiting their clinics and calling their hotlines in the past few years. The resulting figures shocked NAF President Vicki Saporta, who called to tell me that every year since 2008, a whopping 72 percent of NAF clients looking to terminate a pregnancy were already mothers, up at least 10 percent from the years before the economy crashed.

But while the typical abortion patient is a mother, very few people seem to realize it. Lawrence Finer, Guttmacher’s director of domestic research, told me that this fact is “one of the most unknown and surprising statistics across the board.”* Guttmacher is trying to correct the public’s misperceptions with a YouTube PSA designed to show that women who have abortions aren’t necessarily who we think they are. But why are these misperceptions so skewed in the first place? Is the intersection of motherhood and abortion a minefield that activists choose not to navigate?

NAF’s Saporta told me she thinks anti-abortionists have successfully depicted women who choose to terminate a pregnancy as sexually indiscriminate. “It’s much harder to demonize the mother who is struggling to support the kid she already has,” she says. But then why doesn’t the group that she leads make this very point? “Good question—I think we should,” she replied. I also put the question to Gloria Feldt, the former longtime Planned Parenthood Federation of America president. “I believe the whole movement has made a terrible mistake,” she said, referring to the pro-choice movement’s decision to avoid talking about mothers’ motives for having abortions, and instead focus “on the less frequent reasons, which are rape and incest or teens who are simply not ready to be parents.”

For her part, Rachel Jones, a senior research associate at the Guttmacher Institute, thinks that public perceptions of who aborts and why are skewed mostly as a result of all the political heat around late-term abortions. and adolescent abortions (minors have only 7 percent of all abortions). In other words, she argues, mothers who abort are invisible not because anyone is conspiring to keep them that way, but because so much attention is focused on other women.

[b] But why do mothers have so many abortions in the first place? Jones co-authored a qualitative study titled “I Would Want To Give My Child, Like, Everything in the World: How Issues of Motherhood Influence Women Who Have Abortions,” which found that most mothers who abort say they are doing so to protect the kids they already have. As Jones points out, that rationale is tough to demonize politically, especially when you consider that most women making this choice are contending with some combination of low income, unemployment, and a lack of health insurance, or are struggling to raise kids on their own.

These are the kinds of stories Anne Baker hears daily across the little round table in her office at the St. Louis-area Hope Clinic for Women, where she has been counseling abortion seekers for 35 years. In 2008, the last year for which the clinic has available numbers, 62 percent of its patients were mothers. But Baker says the number of mothers coming in has swelled markedly since then, just as it did during the economic slowdown of the late ’70s, when she was first starting out at the clinic. She has compiled a list of 25 reasons mothers commonly give her for not having another child. By far the No. 1 reason is a desire to protect the families they already have. Most of the time, this calculus is an economic one, though Baker has also noted a growing number of women like me, women who are “less apologetic than they used to be about saying they’re a good mom and for them to continue to be a good mom, they choose to do it with one.”

Of course, when it comes to public opinion, it’s one thing for a mother to choose an abortion out of desperation, and another to do it out of preference. Feldt says the motivations behind a mother’s choice to terminate place her on a sliding scale of public opinion. Recalling her days polling voters at PPFA, she describes the American view of who gets to have an abortion like this: “The less in control of a woman’s life she is, the more the public supports her right to make that choice [to have an abortion]. The more she is in control of her life, saying this is the life I choose, the less people support it.” So if a mother who is destitute chooses to abort, we might accept her decision. But someone like me, who could support another child if only I moved to a less expensive ZIP code and got a job with a steadier paycheck? I’d be a moral pariah.

“It’s scandalous for white women like you and me,” Jennifer Baumgardner recently told me over coffee. When Baumgardner gathered women’s abortion testimonies for her book Abortion and Life, she had yet to terminate a pregnancy herself (on the book’s cover, she’s pictured pregnant with her second child). But when she subsequently found herself pregnant again, she chose to abort rather than have a third child. When we start talking about why the pro-choice movement hasn’t made mothers more of the story of abortion in America, Baumgardner rolls her eyes. “Women in the movement have this enormous disconnect between actual lives and what they believe in,” she says. “They’ll talk about other women but they think their own story can be used to undermine them.”

Is all this true, though? Is the stigma that attaches to abortion actually compounded if one makes this choice as a mother? Are we right to think that terminating a pregnancy after carrying another one successfully to term will undermine our standing not just as women but as good parents?

At the University of California-San Francisco, Kate Cockrill directs the Social and Emotional Aspects of Abortion Program, and is trying to measure sources of stigma. She has found that many mothers deliberately explain their choice to abort in the context of their motherhood, thinking that doing so will ward off judgment. “Motherhood is an assertion of their humanity,” Cockrill told me of women who fear condemnation, “and claiming their motherhood is part of managing the stigma of abortion.”

Still, Cockrill has found that once they have established social identities as mothers, many women will do everything they can to avoid tarnishing that identity. For example, she found women who had babies delivered by an OB-GYN refused to see that physician when they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy. “They wanted to be seen as a mother,” she said, “not an abortion patient.”

Corrections, Oct. 18, 2011: This article originally stated that 42 percent of women live in poverty. This statistic refers only to women who head families, and the correct percentage is 40.7, not 42 percent. (Return to the corrected sentence.) The article also misidentified Lawrence Finer as Larry. (Return to the current sentence.)
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/most-surprising-abortion-statistic-the-majority-of-women-who-terminate-pregnancies-are-already-mothers.html

The unspoken truth among gynocologists who perform abortion is that married women with children already perform more abortions than young single girls. Safe Abortion is so expensive in Nigeria that only the well to do can reasonable afford it. Most single girls can only afford quack back alley abortions which most of the time lead to complications or even death. Hypocritical religious nuts love to hide their head in the sand pretending the problem doesn't exist or just wish away the problem.

With the present economic realilities in Nigeria having a child must be well thought out and planned for. The religious mantra " God will take care of the pikin" is no longer tenable. School just started and most families are already stressed looking for school fees apart from New books, school bags, school sandals, etc.

Enugurangers:
I don't need anyone to tell me you are a very irresponsible man. I pity any LovePeddler that would open her legs, and let you inseminate her with your cursed seeds. In your warped mind, banning abortion at 6 weeks would stop women from aborting a foetus just as banning abortion would stop men and women from having Nightstand or prostituting. You are very daft as many posters have mentioned on this thread. You are a good reason why abortion should be legal so you don't pass on your stupidity.

Abortion is illegal in Nigeria, but there are countless quacks in back alleys still damaging women's womb all over the country because randy goats like you won't keep their dirty penis' in their pants.

He will never understand or pretend not to understand. The countries where abortion is banned usually has higher rate of abortion than countries it is legal. Criminalizing abortion had never discouraged or reduced abortion anywhere. It only drives it underground making it more expensive and less safe. New South Wales and Northern Ireland found out the hard way. After banning abortion for decades, they found out that outright ban is fools paradise and eventually legalized it.

budaatum:
Not, her body his choice, ben!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35551165

Don't mind him, always using strawman's argument.

benalvino3:
Lmao. No, you are getting cornered. Murder is murder, abortion should be abortion. A woman cannot say kill the baby in my womb and it's called abortion and at the same time it's murder when another person does it without her concent

Almost drowning as the straws you are clutching is getting smaller. Show me a murder conviction for killing an unborn baby. I not talking about press interpretations. I mean an actual murder conviction for a baby solely based on an aborted baby without the mother being the subject of the case.

benalvino3:
Tell me what he did? You people call it fetus and it does not have rights until its outside the womb but now it's a baby because the mother did not say remove it from my womb.

You are slowly getting it - woman's rights to her body.

benalvino3:
When the woman consent it's abortion when she does not it's murder? Flip flop

That's the law you and the serenios you are referring us to.

benalvino3:
Which excuse will you bring? Causing the death of unborn child is murder which is why he was charged for it. Make u and the media continue to show your inhumane behavior by playing with words just to kill a baby

Stop the emotional outburst and show us the murder charge.

benalvino3:
If a fetus is not a legal person and legal status starts when the baby leaves the mothers womb,

Why charge people for killing unborn child?

Still grasping straws. Where was murder stated in the charge? The man was sentenced to 16 years for assaults on the girlfriend which resulted in the death of her baby. He terminated the pregnancy violently without the consent of his girlfriend by kicking her stomach repeatedly.

Are you telling me, he would have been charged for murder if the girlfriend had an abortion willingly?

benalvino3:
Wirinet, tell me he committed abortion and not murder.

Mother of the unborn child survived but the unborn did not. You are here posting excuses and dehumanizing arguments or excuse to kill a baby.

The police can charge anything. It is left for them to prove it using relevant laws. Murder is one of 10 charges by the police. Let's see how many of the charges he is found guilty of.

A grand jury indicted Payne on a total of 10 counts including Murder, Involuntary Manslaughter, Attempted Murder, and Felonious Assault (all with 3-year Firearm Specifications and 5-year Drive-by Shooting Firearm Specifications), WUD, CCW, and Improperly Handling Firearms in a Motor Vehicle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc6onyourside.com/amp/news/local/man-indicted-for-death-of-unborn-baby

When a woman wants to kill a baby in her womb it's abortion when another person does the same thing it's murder.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDLmw2dhJ4

Refer back to my past post on consent of the woman.

budaatum:
It is, their body their choice, which is precisely why, one could say, they do not get arrested.

Or do people get arrested when they "take cocain or illegal drugs" ben?

E surprise me too o! People getting arrested for taking cocaine. Maybe he thinks other countries are Nigeria where you can be arrested for just strolling.

For you to me arrested for taking cocaine in other climes, you must also constitute a nuisance or danger to society.