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drealcivilceno:
Ok.

Mmm... The lagos tenancy laws do not apply to those on the island, so the agreements signed would have cover everything, except for those that are not aware of the law.

I wish your were a tenant sha, I for don teach your somethings.

Yinmu!

I am sure you have never hired a lawyer and taken someone to court. If you have you will have a faint idea of how the judicial system works.

Lagos tenancy law does not permit a landlord to forcefully break into a tenants house and remove or seize his property, no matter the rent owed.

Solatium:
I am fully aware of that,but how do you explain the 8 months rent owed?

So what? I have been owed for over one year in my course of budiness, I did not resort to violence. Property rentage is a business and should be treated as one.

Are you also aware that the landlord must have gone to Court to secure a kangaroo judgement to have him evicted?

That's your own excuse. The landlord denied entering the tenants apartment and insisted the tenants load was taken by his brother.

it's all technicality bro,there is nothing he can do here,the landlord beat him to the game

The landlord did not beat him to any game. The OP is probably too timid or too broke to take on the landlord. Any landlord that tries this with someone a stubborn tenant would pay a huge price.

drealcivilceno:
OK.

After the six months... If you no pack I will just comot zinc, door, window abi na own again. When mosquito and animals visit you like 3days, then if you now stubborn, I will seal the exits.

He seized your stuff, he was wrong.

He was supposed to wait till he knew where your new apartment was, then come calling for the amount you are owning..

Then when the auction some of your stuff, your eyes go clear!

Well the guy no follow procedure na him coz am.

Hope you paid everything you are owing, sha!

You can only try that shit with a face me I face you tenant. If you comot zinc (or aluminium sheets), door, window, etc of a duplex or flat in Lekki, V/I or even Ikeja, you will be faced with a criminal and multi million naira law suit.

Solatium:
There is no law that can save the situation here bro,even if he had asked you to leave you are only entitle 6 months Quit notice,in this case you are owing him for 8 months,you should have run around and send him like 6 months salary before he acts.
So sorry it's too late

The six months start counting from the day you acknowledge receipt of the quit notice and not from the day your rent expires. If the landlord had not giving him quit notice, then the six months has not started running.

Iamolukorede:
Left to me, I will break into your apartment and still charged you to court. For solid 8month and you have been away for 13month and still counting. Haha, can you do that abroad?.. you pay your bills monthly man.

He should have charged him to court instead of breaking into his apartment. A landlord has no right to break into a tenants apartment even if the tenant is owing 8 years.

Besides, the landlord can only sue to a civil court and not a criminal Court as owing is not a crime. Meanwhile the tenant can sue the landlord to a criminal Court, which involves bail money, surety and all. The landlord will pay through his nose if taken to court.

You should be pleading with him or be sleeping in cell by now man, that you have lived with him for 8years doesn't mean a shit.

Sleeping in cell for what offense exactly? Owing someone for service rendered?

You people behave like Fulani business. You want special privileges given to people who engage in rent business, just like Fulani people want special privileges given to cow business ( free land). When customers owe for services or goods supplied, you take them to civil court to recover your money and not resort to self help or violence.

blaise26abj:
You are very right . That Landlord should be made a example of . I constructed a house like that in abuja and the property managers got a woman into the building for 2.5m per year . She paid the first year , defaulted the 2nd and when the managers tried to recover the property, she locked the house up and left for another year . The managers stupidly kept trying to use patience to collect the rent and the woman directed them to pack her things out but that there is a lot of gold in the house. She said they should keep it till she returns. That was when they received sense to go to court . The Court finally asked them to open the house and auction her things and also put a warrant out for her arrest.
People are wicked . Imagine they broke in without court order . That’s how they will pay for gold that will be used to offset 3 years rent .

Most sensible post. Nigerian landlords are in the habit of waiting 2 years before commencing legal proceedings to eject defaulting tenants. The landlord should start eviction proceedings at most 6 months after default. And he should make sure he collects all rents owed before allowing the tenant to pack his things. The courts do not take kindly to tenants abscorning with landlord's rent.

drealcivilceno:
The only problem will 7days to send notice then grace period (papers). After which you will asked to pay for grace period.

7 days quit notice is only applicable to monthly tenants. Tenants that pay yearly are entitled to 6 months notice.

Oga go to police station.. And go and write.

Shey na police go settle matter ni!

Na court now. When you waste money for lawyer and court case.

Then I will look for things to put on your head, so next time, you will know your place...

False and defeatest mindset. I have taken my landlord to court before and won even when the police were acting funny.

I took the police itself to court about 4 months ago for illegally siezing my car (it was involved in an accident) and I won, and got my car back.

helpee:
Are you living with them? For the OP to send his brother to go and check, it means he must have been going there before so why won't the landlord know him? What are you even saying? verification of what? You mean the OP employed his landlord as security again? so if the landlord sees your brother moving your things out after 13 months abseentism, the landlord should start arresting the OP's brother. Who told you the landlord Is even living in the apartment? So if the landlord was told the OP' s brother came to park things out then he should leave whatever he is doing and go and police the place for the OP. You guys assume too much. Get to court and police station first and see how they turn case upside down. Most of you don't know that in court, you won't even be able to say what you want to say. The lawyer may be asking you just yes and no question and you probably have 30minutes for your own testimony. The rest na lawyer wey get 100 cases whose details he barely remember that will be throwing technical jargons. Make the OP just pack his load and leave wahala behind

A landlord tried that shit with me a while back because I was owing just one month (I offered half the yearly rent). Because he was a retired officer, he brought boys to forcefully eject me. I just went to the police station and made a report about illegal eviction and damaging of property. Same day I got a restraining order against the landlord. He bribed the police and the police started taking his side
Then we started the legal battle. After 6 months of legal tussle, he had to start begging. At the end I ask for one year free of rent to cover the damages. He and his lawyer gladly signed. I left after 9 months.

OnlineArchitect:
You're a Nigeria it's normal for you not to want to hear the truth.. If you had taken time to go through my comment you'll notice that i didn't support the landlord for his actions either. Make we dey try read before jumping into conclusions

What truth did you tell? A man was owing his tenant 8 month's rent and you are talking about morality and playing the victim. I hate jungle justice.

ordovicianonly:
Op you are a very w!cked —£vil tenant who don’t care about the owner of the house . It is proper to lock someone’s else property for a year plus ? It is proper to owe your landlord for 8 months without even calling him to beg ? So what do you expect the old man to eat if all the tenants on the property decided to copy you by not paying ? And you will wonder why some tenants can’t build their own house even after working for years ? It is because they love to owe their landlords even when they are capable of paying . Your landlord have no case cos you don’t even have any proof he broke your door and he already denied doing that . If you decided to take him to court you will spend money you don’t to pay his rent and you might still lose the case if he have a good lawyer cos you don’t even have a proof except dem say

From what I am reading here, it seems Nigerians don't deserve to live in a sane society. Even If the tenant owes a landlord for 8 years, the landlord has no right to resort to jungle justice to recover his debts. Property business just like other businesses has its risks, and being owed is one of the risks.

The landlord could have gone to the courts to recover both his property and debts. I have been owed lots of money in my business. I did not break into my debtors house with thugs to seize his property

OnlineArchitect:
Let's not be quick to play the victim card now you've owed your landlord for that long. Do you always call to remind him to be patient with you or you just absconded leaving your properties in his house. In as much as the landlord didn't do well let's try as much as possible to do what's morally right

I am pained that you are a fellow architect but you are reasoning like a draughtsman. That you are owing a person does not permit you to resort to self service, that's jungle justice. The landlord would have gone to court to recover his property if he could not get hold of the tenant.

What the landlord did was purely a crime. Go and report to the police, take a police approved photographer take photos of your property and any damage done by the landlord. Write a list of all your damaged and missing items (I hope you have receipts for most of them). Then get a lawyer and sue the landlord for theft and illegal eviction. Also get the lawyer to obtain a protective order to stop the landlord from harassing you for the duration of your tenancy as you are still a legal tenant. Don't forget to add emotional damage to your suit.

Racoon:
Though governor Wike said he is an Ikwerre and not an Igbo man going by the evil his tyrannical govt meted on the inhabitants of Oyigbo? What is an Ikwerre man doing with Ohaneze?

Abi he has a brother by mixed parentage? It is only a foolish man that will deny his well established roots. Posterity will surely judge you.

Governor Wike has many brothers. I have not heard any of his brother admit they are igbo by tribe. Maybe this one in South Africa has, I don't know.

Here is another of Wike's brother talking about igbos as if they are a foreign tribe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIANfvzo1g

I think when God was creating the Nigerian he gave him more emotion than reasoning capacity or according to evolutionists the hypothalamus is more developed than the hippocampus. Simply put we are controlled by emotions rather than reason.

mysticwarrior:
you are very wrong, apart from chatinent the other two you mentioned are bent on defending the action of the American Justice system in this man's case, regardless if the jury might have been wrong, one of them even said "I say he is guilty because the Jury said so" you should know that not every one has the ability to convince others, but from what the OP has been saying it looks like they may have made a mistake somewhere. You are doubting the OP in his quest to prove his innocence, that is why you doubt if what he is saying would convince anyone in the US. Pls note that the American criminal Justice department is not 100% perfect, there are numerous cases of innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted in the US, below are just a few cases.

Mr Bah is guilty of rape among other crimes because a jury of 12 (not sure of the exact number says so). The jury system is more robust than the judge system. If Mr. Bah had been able to convince just one juror of his innocence, he would have been considered innocent.

As I said, I am not in a position to say whether the convicted actually commited crime or not, only God and Mr Bah himself can know that. What every other person can rely on is the court system. As the court has pronounced him guilty, guilty he is until the courts again find reason to rescind its decision. All other opinions are irrelevant.

The US justice system is not perfect as it is operated by mortals, and humans are far from being infallible. Having said that, the US justice system is one of the most fair and robust in the world. Of course it makes mistakes from time to time, but it cannot compare to a country like Nigeria where most citizens in prison are innocent or awaiting trial for decades for minor misdemeanors.

If You are truly concerned about injustice of jailing innocent people for decades for crimes they did not commit, you should fight the Nigerian justice system.

Mr Bah had ample opportunity to defend himself before the conclusion of the trial. He could have reached out to Nigerians both in the US and Nigeria before judgement was passed. He had ample opportunity to appeal any part of the trial he found unfair to him getting justice. He could have even questioned or rejected any member of the jury. He and his lawyers should have done their homework before judgement was passed. Three years after a guilty verdict, he is now beginning to make a case of mistrial. He is in for a very difficult time indeed. Unless another person is found to have commited the crime or he can come up with a new incontrovertible evidence, I honestly don't see how he can prove his innocence.
This is the basic fact 1stgenamerican and georgechidi are trying to pass.

mysticwarrior:
I don't see any reason why you should be bringing this issue here, in northern Nigeria cousins are allowed to have sexual relationship and even get married, like sanusi lamido who married his cousin. The man you are quoting is also from northern nigeria and he didn't raped his cousins, bringing this issue to discredit him in his attempt to vindicate the op is completely out of line.

You don't see any reason why MMotimo should bring up the issue of temblor1 supporting indiscriminate fúcking of cousins but you support temblor1 asking about the virginity of a 13 year old rape victim

Was she a virgin? Was there a tear in her anus to indicate forceful-first time sodomy?

In the same northern Nigeria old men are allowed to get married to 13 year old girls. Try that in the US and you will be convicted for rape.

In the same north, if you are found fùcking a girl/woman without marrying her, you will be lynched.

The character of you guys purporting to support Mr Bah is suspect. The only people in fact helping him are 1stgenamerican and Georgechidi apart from chatinent, others are just tell bent on justifying their wayward tendencies while making thing more difficult for Mr Bah. They are preparing him from what he will face in order to convince anyone to look at his case.
And if his appeal comes through, what he will face from the DA, prosecutors and the press will be 100 times worse. If he cannot convince doubters here of his innocence, I doubt he will the able to convince anyone in the U.S.

creativeinventor:
Can y'all just shut the fvck up on this arrogance of a thing. Y'all are sounding stupid. Should the OP now keep quiet to all your insults and accusation like a meek goat, have you ever been locked up? The man is entitled to express himself, he is flesh and blood just like me and you, it's like you think this case is black and white, all the guy did was to challenge those that were accusing him, how is that arrogance, I swear this shit is pissing me off, just because he's in jail and he needs help, he should be sucking all your d!cks right

Ok the OP should behave like the alpha lion and roar at anyone that doubt his story. Take note that the charges are no longer accusations but convictions. So no one is accusing the OP.
Let the OP continue to express himself, he has 3 life times to do it. If you thing expressing himself can get set him free, then continue to goad him to express himself aggressively to all that fail to believe his story, includung the press, lawyers, judge and the general public.

You are sitting in the comfort of your living room screaminv" this shit is pissing me off". If you are incarcerated, even if it is in Nigerian prison not to talk of a prison in Georgia, for the rest of your life, you will suck both sick and ass of anyone who could help get you out.

I think some of you deliberately want to sabotage the OP from any change of having his case looked at.

temblor1:
It is to my personal conviction, Mr Bah didn't rape nor molest any individual.
You guys can mob the thread, but not me.
What has age got to do with your submissions?
Yahoo Yahoo boy's and drug Lords take note.
No matter your resources, righteousness shall prevail.
Righteousness2, kindly say a word and a prayer for our fellow Nigerian youth whom have ditched their destinies.
Shalom.

You might have personal conviction that Mr Bah didn't rape any individual, others have personal conviction that Mr Bah did rape the 13 year old minor. All these convictions don't mean shit. The only conviction that matters is that of the court, and the court has convicted. So, if you can't help the OP with your personal convictions then keep quiet instead of polluting the thread with stupid and irrelevant posts, and allow those that can help guide him. You have not made any suggestions that can help Mr Bah so far.

temblor1:
Can you prove she's factually a rape victim?
The same honour and liberty you're extending to the victim on this forum, should also be accorded to the victim!
Do you approve or disapprove?

Yes, someone was convicted of her rape based on evidence including medical records. That she was raped is not in doubt.

temblor1:
Sir!
Are we in court?
I ask once again.

No we are not. But I wonder how your mind wondered off to the virginity status of a 13 year old rape victim.

temblor1:
Nah...
An individual sexually aquinted to her might use her to set up Bah!
The motive Only God and Bah can save us all this stress.

How did you arrive at that speculation? She might be sexually active (with her fellow teen). In fact lots of 13 year American teens physically look way beyond their age. You easily mistake them for 18 if you were not told.

Still, the question of virginity doesn't come in question at all. If you ask that kind of question in court, you will be reprimanded by the judge.

temblor1:
In addition to your questions: was the girl a virgin? Was Mr Bah visually identified by the victim? Was the victim cross examined by the defense? Was she a virgin? Was there a tear in her anus to indicate forceful-first time sodomy?
The duration of the incidence? Were was his semen removed from the victim before DNA was carried out? Is the semen sample still in preservation?

What's does being a virgin has to do with the case? So if she was not a virgin, she deserved to be raped and sodomized abi? So even if Mr Bah raped and sodomized her, he should be acquitted because she was not a virgin?

Very sick question.

@OP
I am disappointed at your demeanor on this thread and on the whole case. I don't know if you are truly guilty or innocent, because from the little I have read, your story does not add up. You sound just too arrogant, especially for a convicted man attempting to prove his innocence. You came here seeking for help and your overbloated ego will drive away those that can help you. You never know whence help will come in your time of despair and desperation. Help usually comes from unexpected quarters.
You need to humble yourself. You don't expect everyone to believe you, even Jesus himself could not convince everybody. You need to explain yourself to doubters over and over again in a humble manner until he or she believe there is a slim chance you are innocent. You never know if such doubter would be the one to save you.
It's even possible that 1stgenamerican and georgechidi were assigned by someone up the justice ladder to engage you to see if you have a case. Your arrogance would drive away those than can genuinely help.
Once again pray everyday for God to give you the humble spirit.
I truly hope you get justice.

My 2 cents

MaxInDHouse:
So when they survived and are able to ADAPT to their environment it doesn't includes the extermination of creatures that are unfit, shey?

My friend, you can twist it anyhow you like you are still coming to the same point, because adaptation includes elimination of unfit ones.
I may not go far in the concept of evolution but i remember the first evolutionist who spoke with me. The example he used was how sperms eliminate one another until one remains to fertilize the egg in a woman's womb. I know you may deny it but that's the best description of survival of the fittest!

Sperm eliminate one another? How? The first evolutionist that spoke to you is more ignorant than you.

LordReed:
Atheists do not believe humans are the fittest animal on planet, where do you get these ridiculous conclusions from?

My brother e shock me o. I wonder what he got the "Atheists do not believe humans are the fittest animal" from? I had thought it's the theists, particularly the Abrahamaic religions that has the Man is special creation and created to dominate other animals doctrine.

Atheists (most) believes animals have as much right as man to the planet. Every animal has its place and importance for balance on earth.

Furthermore, the guy (and many theists) are ignorant about the evolutionary concept of survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest refers to species that evolve genes ( that can be passed unto offspring) that allows the animal to better adapt to their environment.

Believe me man is not the fittest or strongest specie on the planet, and the people with power are usually not the fittest or strongest

MaxInDHouse:
Well the only reason why faith in God differs from atheism is PEACE amongst adherents of faith, apart from that your belief or disbelief in God is worthless!

Are you playing a game of antonyms? PEACE amongst adherents of faith? Is there peace among Muslims - shiites and Sunnis? Peace amongst christians - pentecostals and catholics and Jehova Witness?
Nigeria has 99.9% people of faith and we are peaceful indeed.

basilico:
Im giving you fodder to attack me.
Was irrelevant to the topic all the same.
Rachel Maddow has more cable viewers than those CNN snobs.

I mentioned them because they are the same creeps who push for acts such as post birth abortion.
I have very low opinion of CNN and all plain lying mainstream media.

Now you are bringing in abortion into the mix. I give up.

basilico:
Rachel Maddow, the lesbian of MSNBC draws more cable viewers than Don Lemon the faggott, Cooper the faggott from the uber rich Vanderbilt family, Wolf Blitzer, Fredo, Brian Stelter, Dana Bash, Becky Anderson (combined ?) of CNN at any one time.
If you never heard of her then you must be seriously brainwashed by those CNN elitist snobs .
None of the above comes close to Tucker Carlson though.
You need to source news from all sides . The truth lies somewhere in between all the above once you remove their obvious bias.

You are so incoherent. How did lesbian, gay and uber rich Vanderbilt family enter into our discussions? How is an MSNBC TV host an indictment of CNN?

MSNBC draws more cable viewers than CNN - in Nigeria? How many people watch MSNBC in Nigeria and indeed in the rest of the world outside the US?
Sorry to say, but someone needs to show your family the incoherent way you type on social media, so they can seek appropriate help.

basilico:
The truth. This should demolish your version of truthful news reporting.

In other words what we see today on say CNN is just that- an opinion. The truth is in the details , what outright bias they have, what side story they ignore and the context.
By combining what you call fringe networks with these formerly news segments now known as simple propaganda opinion news There lies the truth.

Arguing with you is an exercise in futility. It's like arguing with a schizophrenic.

I just did not understand what this quote of yours means;

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts
Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news, an Obama-appointed judge rule .

I had never heard of Rachel Maddow before you mentioned it, and I am an ardent viewer of CNN. I know most of their news anchors going back 20 years.

I googled the name Rachel Maddow and the info I got is that nightly television show on MSNBC. How that implicate CNN as a liar is beyond me.

basilico:
I believe government agencies, main stream media, non governmental agencies as long as its the truth. I did not believe CNN projections that Clinton had 99% chances of beating Trump. I do not believe in aliens that NASA has possibly seen.

So how do determine what is the truth and who is telling the truth? From your posts so far only brietbart, foxnews and a few fringe news outlets tells the truth, the oldest and most established news organizations in the world like BBC, CNN, Deutsche Welle, etc are liars.

It was not even CNN that projected a clinton win, most major polling bodies projected a Clinton win. And Clinton did win the popular votes by the exact margins projected, where they got it wrong was the electoral college.
So you are holding a grudge against CNN (only CNN), because they projected a Clinton win against Trump? And because of that grudge you will never believe CNN ever again. Does that sound logical?

They also said Brexit would lead to British doom. Remind me when that happens.

Even though doom is an exaggeration, Britain is indeed beginning to suffer some negative economic problems because of Brexit. Ask the Irish who are torn between Britain and EU. Ask the people of UK who are suffering food, labour and energy shortages. You can't be sitting in Nigeria and conclude about what is happening in Britain.

Ivermectin . I want CDC to explain how Indian states Delhi and Uttar Pradesh reduced corona virus cases by 97% within 3 months.
Explanation for that?

Ibime The data for these graphs are from John Hopkins University.

Anyone can claim anything. Show us the data from clinical trials of the use of ivermectin as a cure for corona virus. Show us the scientific paper from a reputable drug company, University or research Institute. CDC don't have to explain anything, especially in in other country. It is left for you Trump people to go to India to collect both statistical and scientific data.

daintyprincess:
With what he has been saying, I can deduce that there are two footages, don't these footages have timestamps on them, at least to show when he passed and when the event happened cause he was about to give the time frame of the event in an earlier post.

Is it that they decided to override the timestamp on the footage even when they know the time the event took place, that's if the CCTV have timestamp?

That's why the case as presented by Powerhouse5050 is confusing. Didn't his lawyers present a defense? What about his alabi, was he anywhere close to the crime scene at the time of the crime? What's about his phone? Could the phone company he is using not present his ping records at the time of the rape to determine his location?

The only place to go now is the appeal court.

Why did he not appeal immediately the verdict and sentence was passed? Why wait 3 years before appealing?

Bush2013:
when I read this from him I weak actually six suvs plus many other things in a space of 2month visiting visa?? Is he a car dealer? Well I no be witch wey the sabi beyond wetin ordinary eyes can see but with wetin I dey read I weak sha. May God in his own way deliver the OP if he is innocent of the crime.
Amen but till then I still weak

These are irrelevant to the charges. He was not charged for theft, robbery or fraud, he was charged and sentenced for rape and assault of a minor. So I don't see what buying six suvs plus many other things in a space of two month visiting visa has to do with it.

Powerhouse5050:
The case is with Georgia court of appeal now........thank you

Why not try and get the media involved. Write important reporters in CNN. Also try and take advantage of the distrust police of police with regards to blacks by getting in touch with black organizations that fight for injustice against blacks.
You can also write Abike Dabiri Erewa of the Nigerian Diaspora Commission, she is usually interested in such issues.

The fact that you have access to your phone in prison should be maximally used to reach out to those who can help.

Maxwellsdad95:
few days ago was 8 days now. It happened Friday of last week. Hey bro I'm not here to prove my self to you if I was lying or not ok, I just need answers to my questions. But thanks and you think the Nigerian police would do anything

Maxwellsdad95:
hey Bros I Said my eyes was almost blind ooo, it's 8 days now I can't see properly with my Left eyes, Biko let me heal from my eyes.

Even if you almost lost your life, you must still have a police report before you can get any sort of reprieve. Hospitals won't even even treat you without a police report. Not getting a police report is a huge error on your part. Yes the police would collect some money for the report, but it is absolutely necessary.

If you have gotten a police report (and a medical report) you would have a case with the loan sharks. You just present the reports if they continue to harass you. And they would be in trouble if they don't stop harassing you.

I am sorry for what you want through, but I don't know what advice to give without a police report.