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donnie:
Did you see people die close to you and confirm it was covid before you took it?

I don't understand what you are implying. Are you insinuating that I have to see all 220 million people infected and 4.5 covid related deaths before I believe?

Many have died and will still die for their foolishness and trust in the so-called vaccine.

Are you saying taking vaccines in general is foolishness or just the covid vaccine? Or maybe you are saying doctors and medicines in general is foolishness, and only you and a few deniers are qualified enough to be regarded as smart?

That's a fat lie. Did you get that from CNN? Because the statistics prove otherwise. It's all government induced, in line with the strategy of the globalists. In Nigeria, it only brought hunger, and swelled the pockets of thieves.

Can you please furnish us with your own statistics. Which government are you talking about? There are over 200 governments in the world.
So Nigeria can isolate itself from the rest of the world?

Those who are spreading it are those who have taken the "vaccine". Wake up!
Veteran singer Mike Okri tests Positive To COVID-19, even after double shots of vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCXD2AfyHlA

Medical professionals never said that the vaccines alone would stop you from getting infected or from spreading it. What they say is that the vaccines would reduce the effects of the symptoms and hospitalizations. That's why they advice you continue to wear masks in public. If you have taken measles vaccine or you have given your children measles vaccines, you will know that you will still come down with measles infection sometimes later in life. The issue is that the symptoms would be very mild.

OK, you are against masks, you are against lockdowns, you are against vaccines, so what do you want? How do you want to control the pandemic and reduce deaths? Or you want scientists and governments to do nothing and watch hundreds of millions of people die, and still then blame government for incompetency?

donnie:
I know we have about the worst labor and employment conditions in Nigeria but all it takes is a single win against a big company in Nigeria, perhaps a foreign. multinational and the rest is history. A group of sacked employees can pay a good lawyer to file a case against such companies. We could even have human rights groups take up that fight on their behalf.

It only gets difficult when they've succeeded in brainwashing everyone and turning them to zombies. Those who support this compulsory nonsese do not know that they are giving support to tyranny and martial law because they supoort their rights being trampled on. Imagine what that will mean for a country like Nigeria already plagued by human right abuses.

We are talking about a pandemic that has the capacity to kill hundreds of millions and you are talking about rights being trampled on. Are you guys for real? The bubonic plagues wipped out one third the population of Europe, the 1918 covid pandemic killed hundreds of millions of people and you guys are screaming tyranny and martial law, just because the government says wear a mask, obey a lockdown or get vaccinated.
We are even lucky that scientist and governments quickly acted to bring this pandemic under control.

I think you guys are anarchists, you just feel happy to see millions dying and anarchy so you can blame government for doing nothing. When few people died because of Ebola or Lassa fever, we did not hear word from you guys blaming government.

donnie:
This is the advice from a pastor and I agree with him....

If you are told to take the vaccine or resign and you do not want to take the vaccine, what you do is, do not panic and do not resign. Let them sack you because you refused to vaccinate then head for the court. Sue them for every dime they have.
You have a right to determine what goes into your body. If they are so confident of what they are forcing you to put into your body, then let the manufacturer indemnify it. They should guarantee its safety and efficiency.

Billions of people have taken the vaccine and we are not seeing millions dying because of it. Yes, very few will react and fewer still would die from the vaccine. That's the nature of all medicines and even food we put in our bodies. The vaccines has drastically reduced the effects of the pandemic and eased lockdown.

If you refuse to take the vaccine, would the pastor rather you sit at home and self isolate until the pandemic is over, than spread it to your work colleagues?

Nothingserious:
Hearsay. This is not true.
Pls do you have any data to substantiate this bogus claim?

I said from practical experience and you are talking about hearsay.

Before the 80s our houses did not have fences. In fact we hardly locked our doors before then. Before the astronomical increase in "believers", Nigerians were respected and trusted around the world. Now the synonym for Nigeria is scam and fraud. Nigerian now justify fraud, immorality and violence with religion.

Truvelisback:
How are the believers worser than the unbelievers? So, are u saying that the believers are the reasons Nigeria is like this?

I believe so. Before Nigeria became a believer nation ( I believe this started in the early 80s). Nigerians were more moral, honest and trustworthy. But with the proliferation of churches and mosques on every street corner, our morality started going down.

Truvelisback:
That scripture is mainly meant 4 unbelievers who are wallowing in sin and experiencing troubles, who av not yet receive Christ.

From practical experience believers are worse sinners than unbelievers. This is evidenced in countries that has the most churches and mosques being the most morally and physically corrupt and unstable.

If the number of believers is a measure of morality, then Nigeria would have been a beacon of morality in the world.

budaatum:
Do the books people base their religion on tell them to be violent or are you basing your opinion on the religious people around you?


books tell people to be violent, or to eve believe

Books we read shape our personalities and our outlook towards like. Authors like Carl Sagan, Vincent Norman Peale, Tai Solarin, Lobsang Rampa, Robert Greene had a profound influence on my outlook towards life. The only part of the Bible that inspire me are Jesus's own words. I believe he was a humanist and pasifist like me. I abhor violence, especially as a means of getting others to accept our beliefs or point of view.

HellVictorinho:
An exercise in vain



Anything such as the Bible in whose name people accuse and condemn one another baselessly should not be taken seriously by me



I await your crucifixion

This is the main reason I decided to remain irreligious, anyone that asks questions or questions your beliefs is automatically threatened with violence, and I am not a violent person.

Dtruthspeaker:
Genesis is written in a way that it tells you the end first, then later tells you the beginning and what happened.

That is the writing style employed in Genesis generally.

It is not directly written 1, 2,3, 4 but written in a scrambled manner. If you are interested you have the game of finding where 1 is then 2,then 3

The way I see it Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 are two completely different stories.

In Genesis chapter 1 God created all land animals, all see bearing plants and man (man and woman on the sixth day. By the seven day God's creation work has finished and he rested on the seventh day.

Meanwhile, in Genesis Chapter 2, there were no timelines. God created Man alone first, he then created trees and and planted the trees east of Eden. He gave man instruction not to eat the tree of knowledge. Thereafter God created birds and other land animals. He then put man in charge of the garden. As an after thought and his last creation, he created woman to help man in his duties.

ono:
He "won" alright - but we now know how he got that done. Great feat!

Yes we know how he won - legitimately, as attested to by Trump's justice department including Bill Barr, Republican led state governors and legislatures, Republican led secretaries if states and election boards, Republican Senators and house members and most importantly of all Vice President Pence.

The traditional ways of winning have always been through rallies - and it is the most trusted and demonstrable way of showing how well you cared for those you want to govern. We also know that the investigation report of the complicity of the Wuhan lab in China in creating the "China Virus" was blocked by xi-Biden, possibly never to see the light of the day. "That" on and of its own is a big indicator. It shows how well the demonrats colluded with China to win that last election.

You are so far gone into QAnon's Bullshit, you sound incoherent. First this was during a pandemic year, where most countries of the world including the US was instituting a complete lockdown. You don't expect sane people to be following traditional way of campaigning by holding rallies. Little wonder why Trump himself and everyone close to him contracted the virus. How many people on Biden's campaign contracted the virus? From the very start we all knew that mail in and absentee voting would play a significant part in winning the elections, but Trump chose to continue with the traditional way of winning elections and discouraging his supporters from mail in and absentee voting. At the end you can scream rigging all you want, not one mail in or absentee vote would be decertified.

There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed for all to see. And like Trump used to say - "In the end, we will win". Truth will triumph over evil. Just watch out for more.

When will in the end be? I hope it would be before the next election. I don't understand how you want to win an election that's already been decided.

basilico:
You should be ashamed. Trump said Russia Russia because Hillary deleted emails under subpoena. You speak for her criminal action.

It's only children I know of that cry and wail because they feel powerless or they seek attention. The Republican dominiated Senate investigated and investigated and they could not indict Hillary. Trump had the full powers of the executuve for 4 years and still could not indict Hillary. So does it make sense to continue to wail about Hillary emails 8 years later, like a powerless child seeking attention. If Hillary commited a crime there were plenty of opportunities to take the evidence before a competent court.

The whole Russia fiasco was to get Trump .
Mueller found no collision and indicted a loyof people none for collusion.

This is Mueller's own words;

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

You mean Trump cant talk in private with Putin.

Yes, as the president of the US, Trump or any other US president can't talk in private with a foreign leader or agent.
But now as he is a private citizen, he can talk to whosoever he wants to privately without question.

I hope Durham is real. The Russia mob hoaxers and enablers should have their day.

Have no idea what you are talking about.

paltielx:
God created man first Gen 2:7. Later took Adam's rib to made Eve

xproducer:
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Correct! "For Adam was formed first, then Eve." - 1 Timothy 2:13

OP, though it may seem so sometimes, there are in fact no contradictions in the Holy Bible - GOD's inspired / given word. We are to search the Scriptures, and compare Scripture with Scripture.

Gen 1:26-27 does not negate Gen 1:20-22, it confirms it.

So we should disregard genesis 1:27 that says male and female created he them?

ono:
And Trump is out of office. He walks free - still holding rallies, with xi-Biden looking inept, incompetent and senile as ever. Don't forget that all these findings are happening with the Demonrats holding the White House, Senate and House of reps (witch Pelosi in charge). Yet orange Turd Trump is still holding rallies and drawing record crowds that basement Biden can only dream of.

Which findings are happening that had not been found before? Please give us the findings.

The same Xi-Biden beat PuTrump in the election debates and in the election proper with over 8 million votes. If another election was held today, Xi-Biden would thrash PuTrump with an even wider margin.

That was the same situation before the last elections, Trump was drawing record crowds in super spreader events while Biden was winning the election from his basement. Biden don't do crowds.

AmazonTopaz:
Why are you giving him facts,Facts and Qanon doesn't go together at all.

The election should be decertified according to them

I am honestly at loss at the reasoning process of these QANON adherents. Decertify an election that has passed through all relevant constitutional processes? Decertify by who?

Maybe we should also decertify the Florida 2000 presidential result which was fraudulently awarded to George Bush by a partisan Supreme Court. Democrats must also start demanding and audit.

ono:
The onus is on you to provide proof. If after all the investigations done by the Justice department IG Horowitz, 2 impeachment moves, a NY attorney general Letticia James foaming from all sides, and Trump is clean! then your assertions hold no water abeg.

No one and I said no one said Trump is clean. That's only in your worship dogma doctrine. What Mueller concluded was that there was no enough evidence to charge Trump with collusion. Secondly, he can not charge Trump with obstruction of justice nor can he exonerate him. He advice the Congress to look into it and make the determination in the future.

basilico:
Nothing new? Get serious.They listed all irregularities in their finding.
Your mind is closed.
Did Clinton not scream Russia Russia , created fake stories to remove Trump.
A lawyer was indicted the other day. Another was also previously indicted over thag fake conspiracy Russia collusion story

What concerns Clinton screaming Russia Russia with attempting to disenfranchise or decertify millions of voters?

Did not Trump give the "Russia, if you are listening, find those emails" on live TV?

Did Don Junior not meet with Russian agent Maria Butina and lied that he did not tell his father?

Did Trump everyone in Trumps campaign not lie about their interactions with the Russians.

Did not not have a meeting with Putin with no official present but only the interpreter who was instructed not to take notes? Till today no one knew what was discussed in that meeting. If Biden should meet with Xi Jingpin under the same conditions, I am sure you would call for Biden’s head.

You that your mind is open have not told us the new findings of the audit.

What about what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30, are you saying he is lying?

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Sleekfingers:
There is no single Christian in nigeria....they are all hypocrites and .........make una fill the rest

Gbam. Nigerian Christians are Christians of convenience. The become Christians or claim to be Christians because of personal selfish interests, i.e. they are after sudden wealth, health or social status.

I am expecting people filled with descerning spirit or holy spirit to help us explain the seeming contradiction.

basilico:
This is what the media should be reporting. Instead they are lying to their readers

[b]To begin you should know that the Dems sent more than 100 attorneys to Phoenix to try to stop the audit, filing 5 different lawsuits, all of which failed. As you have heard our national media has tried to paint this audit as being somehow fraudulent. The Biden DOJ filed suit, ultimately preventing the auditors from conducting a physical canvas, claiming it would amount to voter intimidation.

The Maricopa County Board of supervisors which run the election in the county have been subpoenaed multiple times to provide information and still to this day refuse to turn over the routers from the counting center on election day, the laptops used by the poll workers and several other critical pcs of hardware. Note: from day 1, Dominion voting systems (voting machines) and the BOS have claimed that none of the equipment was ever connected to the internet.

In reality all of the voting machines were connected to Internet. Forensic analysis on the equipment that was turned over shows: • 85,000 files were deleted from the election management servers from 10/21 to 11/5 via remote access • 1M election management system files were deleted from the server from 11/1 to 3/16 via remote access • On 2/21, the day before the audit was to begin, the entire SQL Server database from the 2020 election was deleted from the election management server. (they have managed to secure video footage of the county employees performing this delete)

By Federal law election data must be preserved for a minimum of 22 months

Here are the findings reported yesterday by the auditors from the physical count (Biden margin of victory 10k): • 255,326 early voters who have no matching voter records • 17,322 duplicate ballot envelops – 90% received after election day • 9,041 more ballots received than mailed out • 1,551 more ballots received than eligible voters • 399 mail in ballots received that were never mailed out • 23,344 ballots received from voters who were not eligible to vote as they had moved out of state • 2,382 in person votes received from voters who were not eligible • 5,295 voters voted in multiple counties • 282 dead people voted
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It's difficult to argue with someone with Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). Most real Republicans have come to terms with the fact that Trump lost. But few QAnon and far right people still hold unto the falsehood of the election being rigged.

What did the report state that had not been stated immediately the result was announced? Did Cyberninja bring any new info? What new info justifies the spending of $9 million and 6 months of audit?
You obsessed guys just keep repeating the same line over and over again even after promising earth shaking Kraken every time. So what new date is your new earth shaking Kraken going to be released?

I have said from the beginning all these shenanigans is just to keep Trump's base riled up enough for the next elections and to continue to line Trump's pockets.

I did not even want to respond to your stupid conclusion that the whole of Arizona elections should be decertified? Decertified by who?
There is no way a private company can decertify an election after it had been certified by all relevant constitutional bodies. Even the courts and the Senate can no longer decertify the 2019 elections. How supposedly educated people cannot understand that is beyond me.

It's even crazier to suggest that Arizona legislators can decertify an election already ratified and certified by the US Senate.

Believe me you need help.

There is an apparent bible contradiction on whether God Created Man First or both were created at the same time.

Genesis 2:7 says;

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It continues to elaborate that man was first created in and needed a helper in Genesis 1:20 - 22;

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

But in genesis 1:26-27, God created both man and woman at the same time.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

AmazonTopaz:
Okay. Sad they found nothing and 5.7 million dollars was wasted in donation only for Biden to still remain president

Arizona GOP Chair Calls For New Audit After Biden Confirmed Winner Again. Afterall the Benghazi embassy affair was investigated by Republicans 11 times. The Maricopa County election needs 10 more audits before Republicans will give up.

benalvino3:
Of course the vaccine is not perfect. Polio vaccine is a lot safer than covid vaccine. I won't think twice taking polio vaccine but you always know my concern. The side effects from the vaccine is high, very high and that's the problem. They are also covering up cases.

No vaccine, medicine or food is perfectly safe.
How do you know polio vaccine is a lot safer than covid vaccine? Some children react adversely to polio vaccine. If you have taken your baby to take the measles, polio and others (can't remember all now ) vaccines before, your baby will cry for the next 3 days. You will be adviced to administer pain relief medicines.

Why would they be covering up cases. If You want the safety data for covid vaccines, you can get it from the clinical trials.

Have you taken the vaccine?

Yes I am fully vaccinated with the astrazenica vaccine. I did not react to the first dose I took about 3 months ago. But with the second dose, I did not get myself for 3 days.

Luckily i took it with my aged mum. My mum went to the Olu of Warri coronation and sat next to a chief. (Chief Ikomi) who was a friend of hers. Last week we heard the chief died of covid 19. Thank God my mum was fully vaccinated.

benalvino3:
Its not about fear, it's about the truth. The vaccine itself does not harm most people who take it but there is still a lot of people who are having issues from the vaccine. That's the worry. These people want you to feel there is nothing to worry about and now they are hiding data. The vaccine has not done its job. People still spread covid and die from it after the vaccine, drugs that help with treatment of covid are being demonized by the media and you yourself. These drugs are being prescribed by doctors but you will say it's a bad drug or horse drug because the media has been telling you that.

That's the nature of all medicines and even food. There is no medicine in the world that is 100% safe for everyone one. What is considered safe is usually when less than 1% react adversely to a medication. Now for you to question a vaccine that has been given to billions of people with adverse reaction or death for less than a few tens of thousands, and you are here questioning the safety and efficacy of such a medicine is disingenuous. It's worse that you are promoting a treatment with far worse safety numbers - hydoxychloroquine and ivermicine, that has not been approved by most doctors. All because of party affiliations and loyalty.

You keep calling the GQP, 40% of the black population are skeptical about the vaccine. They are GQP? Skeptism of the vaccine is not from GOP. You have skeptics all over the world, it's a normal thing. Spreading propaganda like it is just GOP is disingenuous.

More than 40% of northern Nigerians are skeptical about the polio vaccine. See the consequences. When the rest of the world is polio free, northern Nigeria still spread the wild polio virus. Skeptism based on religious or political affiliations is madness.

benalvino3:
In the US more than 85% of the women who have abortion are unmarried. In Nigeria there are more abortion done by unmarried than married. In China it is a different case because they are allowed only one baby. China have 25million or more abortion in a year. Mainly forced abortion.

UK, the rate of unmarried abortion is significantly higher than married.

In the UK they have child benefits, you cannot claim a child should be aborted because of poverty there.

Yes when you talk of legal abortion, as single ladies are more likely to be more open about abortion. Abortion statistics are difficult to ascertain as many women, nurses and doctors would not participate in surveys.

Read this report on the abortion statistics from ultra conservative Utah

Behind the numbers: How to make sense of Utah's abortion rate for married women

In Utah, more than a quarter of women who had abortions in 2013 were married. Nationwide, fewer than 15 percent were.

The difference is striking in a conservative state that is home to some of the nation's most restrictive abortion laws and has a population that values marriage and large families. It's a percentage that has remained high for more than two decades. Yet understanding what's behind the numbers and what it says about Utah is difficult to decipher.

Utah led the nation in the percentage of women who had abortions who were married not only in 2013 (the last year for which federal statistics are available) but every year since 2004. Some years, the state exceeded the national average by 20 percentage points or more. Yet the number of abortions among married women in Utah is not as high as in other states.

In 2013, 746 married women had abortions in Utah, according to the CDC. In Kansas, another state with a population of about 3 million, 990 married women did, even though the 13.5 percent of Kansas women who had abortions who were married is close to the national average and much lower than Utah's.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2017/6/14/20614180/behind-the-numbers-how-to-make-sense-of-utah-s-abortion-rate-for-married-women

benalvino3:
Leave wirinet, he is an atheist and he is very confused. He does not understand most things when it comes to ethics and morality. He has been trying to attack religious groups because of his atheism but he does not present and significant atheist organizations that help homeless people and orphans. He wants babies to be killed if their family is poor, he does not understand that some children who come from poor family usually become a blessing to the society. He claimed he does not like children being born into poverty. That's not a viable reason. Like you ask him.

Who decides the rate at which one is poor before they kill their kids? You would think because of poverty and all the reasons he is giving he would strongly support contraceptives but he is not doing that. He is making the case instead for women skipping contraceptives and employ abortion as contraceptives.

He wants to live in a world where irresponsible people with money flaring but he want to take away the life of people who are not rich enough. They don't have the right to live because they pocket is not deep.

Most of these folks here lack morality, sadly wirinet atheism is making him less concerned with human life.

You are entering next level with your red herring arguments and fallacies. Where did I or anyone suggest that babies should be ripped from poor families and slaughtered. Even the legal status of the foetus we are talking about did not suggest forcefully teminiating the pregnancy of a woman without the consent of the woman.
The crux of the abortion debate has always been about the rights of the woman over her body. I have asked numerous times what you guys suggest if ab initio the woman who discovered she is pregnant says she doesn't want to have or keep the baby. All I am hearing from you guys is "she must suffer the consequences of her actions". I asked what of the baby itself, why should it also suffer the consequences of her actions also. I am still waiting for an answer.

I don't attack religious people as most people around me are religious. Those I attack are religious fundamentalists - both christian and Muslim, who forcefully impose their religious beliefs on others, sometimes through violence.

What an irony, you are accusing me who says unwanted children should not be brought into the world to suffer and constitute societal nuisance, of not presenting any significant atheist organizations that help homeless people and orphans. Meanwhile, you that believe in bringing into the world children irrespective of whether it is wanted or not have not done or presented anything for their care and upkeep.
For your information, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, set up by an atheist has helped more poor people than any religious organization.

Dapcity007:
That doesn't justify the morality of abortion, you can't predict anyone's future, if abortion worked why do you have many single mothers, creating babies unmarried, consciously with irresponsible men, can't they see that only Marital institution can enforce responsiblity in men, yet they chose to get pregnant without using contraceptives

The keyword is choice . The single women chose to be single mothers. Some chose not to be. It's not in your place to choose for them. You have no role whatsoever to play in the pregnancy process of an anonymous woman. You are not the one that would bear the risks, pains and costs of the pregnancy. A typical example is Linda Ikeji. She chose not to marry but be a single mother. She is happy with her choice.

The abortion debate has little to do with the marital institution. It's not only single women that have unwanted pregnancies. It is even suggested that married women perform more abortions than single women.

Dapcity007:
Slavery was economical too, there is no ethical justification for killing unborn infants

Look for the dictionary and legal definition of infant.

Slavery is still rife in many parts of the world today, especially in ultra religious countries that criminalise abortion.

Dapcity007:
The left can never win the morality of Abortion, a new DNA was formed, contraception is easily accessible in these mordern era unlike the past, they should just own it,they see Infants as intrinsically worthless and derive sadistic pleasure in spilling their blood to glorify women and empower them to go against their maternal instincts of nuturing to seeing children as burden and problem

Very powerful social re-engineering and re-conditoning to Masculine women so they can be career oriented instead of family focused as their primal instincts evolved to be, making women easily exploited by the coporations since they are the largest consumerism base and also they prove cheap labor force making wages go down or stagnant

Abortion is not a moral question, it's an economic and social one. If you are against abortion no one will force you to do one.

Dapcity007:
It baffles me that leftist wants us to be sympathetic to unplanned pregnancy, every so-called unwanted pregnancy happened by the conscious act of the perpetrators both male and female to have unprotected sex, with all the birth control options from mordern contraception that are very cheap and easily accessible why would a woman choose to go raw only to spill the blood of the innocent, infact you can even go raw and with pills prevent pregnancy

We leftist accept that every so-called unwanted pregnancy happened by the conscious act of the perpetrators both male and female to have unprotected sex. We are also aware that there are a gazillion birth control options, but the reality is unwanted pregnacies still a fact of life. We are yet to see suggestions from rightist on what to do with unwanted babies. What system or contributions have rightist made to help unwanted babies live a meaningful life?

Just come out with your full chest, pro-death, pro-infanticide, you see the infant as intrinsically worthless piece of cell to be discarded because you hate children fundamentally, seeing them as oppressors against the progress of women

Please look for the definition of an infant. A zygote or a foetus does not fit that definition.

I have always been against bringing children into this world to suffer. The bane of sub Saharan Africa today is millions of unplanned and unproductive children roaming the streets. Whereas a youthful population is meant to be an assert, here it is a liability.

The Irony of your argument is that you that don't hate children don't have any children, is not taking care of any children. I that hate children have three children that are well taken care of and I take care of some of my uncles children.

benalvino3:
You keep saying I am interested in punishing women, I have been the only one talking about women and their safety, and responsibilities and taking measures so they don't get pregnant from a stranger, budaatum you and Enugurangers have attacked me for saying women who want to have fun should not rely on a stranger not to get her pregnant since he mostly does not hope to see her again or care about her well-being.

This is one of your red herring fallacies. 99.9% of women who abort were not impregnated by one night stand strangers. Most women who procure abortion are women in relationships and even marriage, who for various reasons are not prepared to go through the rigours of pregnancy, childbearing and child caring. It may be due to finances, health, lack of support from their partner, career, schooling, not wanting any more chikdren, etc. The bottom line is the woman choose not to carry the pregnancy.

There are a lot of women who gets pregnant and did not abort the baby but they don't know who the father of the baby is. Some have 2 to 3 kids with different father and have no idea who the fathers of their baby is.

And I applaud those women who despite not getting any support from irresponsible men, birth and raise their babies by themselves. The bottom line is, it was their choice and was not forced upon them by benalvino3 and co.

I have said if a woman is pregnant she has a window to do the abortion, I said before the heartbeat and most time it's during rape. Some people on the other hand see abortion as contraceptive. It's unacceptable.

How will a woman know when the heartbeat of the baby starts. Is there some kind of indicator?

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.



Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

Whether 1 month or 9 months, you want to start jailing women who gets pregnant but don't want to have a baby?

Are you more interested in punishing women who was impregnated by irresponsible men but not want to keep the baby. What about the men that got them pregnant in the first place, should they not bear any responsibility?