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pryme:
If you believe this garbage, it's pointless debating you, cos you don't have brain to begin with.

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan
Feb. 29, 2020 — U.S. and Taliban sign an agreement that sets the terms for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, but do not release two classified annexes that set the conditions for U.S. withdrawal. At the time of the agreement, the U.S. had about 13,000 troops in Afghanistan, according to a Department of Defense inspector general report.

The withdrawal of U.S. troops is contingent on the “Taliban’s action against al-Qaeda and other terrorists who could threaten us,” Trump says in a speech at the Conservative Political Active Conference. (U.S. withdrawals, however, occurred despite the fact that the Defense Department inspector general’s office repeatedly reported that the Taliban worked with al-Qaeda.)

The pact includes the release of 5,000 Taliban fighters who have been held prisoners by the Afghanistan government, which is not a party to the agreement.

Read the rest here -
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

The Afghan disastrous withdrawal is 90% Trump fault and 10% Biden

basilico:
Are you sick. A central clearing house in cases of any evacuation logistics.

A central clearing house to manage disasters in a war zone? How will that work? Should evacuations in a war zone not be handled by the military?

Enugurangers:
You basically have to fact check every one of their posts. Even when they post a link from a credible source, it's better to read through it.

Don't mind them. They don't even care to read the body of the article they link. They only read headlines and shout eureka - Biden is at fault, he should resign.

The article clearly stated "aftermath of a natural or man-made disaster", not before a natural or man made disaster. So what has the Biden administration been doing in the aftermath of the Taliban take over of Afghanistan? Is it not deploying the military to evacuate US citizens?

benalvino3:
if this was trump i wonder what your talk will be.

Even Trump would not be stupid enough to start evacuating US citizens when the former Afghan government was in power.

basilico:
I just posted his plan and you are saying he did not have a plan.
How long will you continue holding water for Biden... Nah for Obama 3.0?

Where is the plan you posted?

This is what the link you posted said;

A bureau set up by Mike Pompeo under President Trump to help Americans abroad was discontinued after a memo was passed and signed in June by the Biden administration
The Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau, or CCR, was created during the Trump presidency by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in October 2020.

It was meant to provide 'aviation, logistics, and medical support capabilities for the Department's operational bureaus, thereby enhancing the secretary's ability to protect American citizens overseas in connection with overseas evacuations in the aftermath of a natural or man-made disaster . ,' according to Fox 11 News.

I don't know how Afghanistan became a natural or man made disaster.

benalvino3:
At Least 12 US Service Members Now Reported Killed In Kabul Bombings, ‘Death Toll Likely To Rise’

Occupational hazard. Once you join the military and deployed to an active zone, you can die any minute.

Oya, start jubilating that service men died in Afghanistan so you can blame Biden. Pop Champaigne

basilico:
Trump had a plan. He says get the civillians, then the equipment and finally the military.

In addition Pompeo had a bureau created yo handle a situation like this.



The Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR) designed to help Americans abroad was discontinued before the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan
A memo was signed to end the bureau on June 11 by members of the Biden administration
It was created by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo during the presidency of Donald Trump


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9906927/CCR-bureau-designed-help-Americans-abroad-axed-Biden-administration-Taliban-takeover.html

Trump has a plan? That is a fallacy. Trump does not have the mental capacity to plan, not to talk of successfully executing a plan. He is only a genius at manipulating emotions of vulnerable people - just like prosperity pastors. Even his planned coup of January 6th failed.

sanpipita:
Its just mass hysteria to create doubts of Biden's leadership but at the end, they will have to tell Americans what they will do differently.

Don't mind the haters. They only trade in hatred. They are so negative and exude so much negative energy.

How do they expect President Biden to start evacuating US citizens when the former Afghan government was still in charge of the country and the military? If he did that they would blame Biden for the fall of the government. They would say the government gave up without a fight because Biden had already given up on the Afghan military.

AntiChristian:
Where does it mention Jesus in the above? The words translated to God were different. See above in bold. Jesus is not even same as God from this verse.

In the beginning was the Word (logos), and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Jesus didn't say this. Paul said it.



What does your God need a son for?

You should also ask where and who is God's wife? To have an only begotten son, you will require a betrothed wife.

enilove:
The best thing for you to do is to pray that God , don't say Allah , your Creator should reveal Himself to you , sincerely from your heart .
This makes sense than to keep on arguing over why God came as a human being to die to save humanity from eternal damnation.

Circular reasoning.
1. God cursed man to die
2. God came to earth as human to die to save man from dying.
Or
1. God has already condemned all humanity.

2. God came as human to save humanity from eternal damnation.

The most crazy circular reasoning is God sacrificed himself to save humanity from himself.

benalvino3:
No, call the Taliban Bluff. they would not want to mess with the US. The Allied Nations want him to extend the time and they are will to stand by him but the spineless rat will pull out leaving people stranded.

we all know the taliban wants the US gone attacking is the last thing they want to do

Are you serious? Call the Taliban's bluff, when they have taken over the whole country, with more than 90,000 fighters with lots of sophisticated US weapons left over by the former Afghan military. The US that could not call the Taliban's bluff with 100,000 soldiers, you want them to call their bluff with 6000 soldiers. I hope you are just being sarcastic.

Babalola0920:
As you will love to be served that UNITED STATE OF AMERICA is a Christian country right

Checkout the following link no be my papa right am

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS7XZu3nyD7/?utm_medium=copy_link

It shows that most of you people supporting them are more clown, they don't give shit about you or your religion who killed MARTIN LUTHER KING JR na dem why because he's trying to correct alot of wrong, they spent $300,000,000 everyday and you think America can waste that kind of money for nothing , guy let your brain be corrected..

PROPHET MOHAMMED peace and mercy of GOD be UPON him said and I quote none of you is a believers until he want for his brother what we want for himself

Again in another narrative

PROPHET Muhammad peace and blessing of GOD be UPON him said paradise is forbidden for he/she whose neighbour aren't safe by his hand

I wouldn't blame you for the err but the MEDIA, FILM INDUSTRY for projecting ISLAM to the world through the wrong lens!

Fallacy of the millinia. Islam has been projecting violence since its creation. The media and film industry is less than 100 years.

Islam was and is still spread through violence. It's doctrines has a way of turning otherwise normal people into violent extremist. Almost every country with Muslim majority is mired in violence.

I was sadden by watching a video of a group of Taliban men stopping a woman, asking her to kneel, praying and shouting Allah u akbar and then shooting her in the head. Probably for not wearing a burka.
Any God that tells you to kill an innocent helpless woman for his sake is evil.

Tdotbluejays:
Or further spend billions of dollars.

Don't mind them. The Afghanistan war had no agenda, no purpose and no goals outside money. Borrowed money at that.

The United States has financed the Afghan war with borrowed money. Brown University researchers estimate that more than $500 billion in interest has already been paid (included in the $2.26 trillion total sum), and they figure that by 2050 the cost of interest alone on our Afghan war debt could reach $6.5 trillion. That amounts to $20,000 for each and every U.S. citizen.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hanktucker/2021/08/16/the-war-in-afghanistan-cost-america-300-million-per-day-for-20-years-with-big-bills-yet-to-come/?sh=2a5b72f27f8d

The Afghan war was bankrupting the US.

benalvino3:
Biden now bow to the will of the Taliban. Biden is everyone's bitch

What do you want Biden to do? Redeploy another 100,000 troops into Afghanistan to fight the Taliban?

sanpipita:
We are all asking the same question, till now nobody has explained how Taliban overran Afghanistan army so easily and I believe refugees are being taken based on humanitarian grounds same happened in Syria, Libya etc, most western nations see this as an obligation since especially to keep the world stable too

It was because the last three US administrations had practically been lying about the true situation of the war in Afghanistan. The war was simply a drain pipe of trillions of dollars of tax payers money.

Trevor Noah captured the Afghan debacle accurately one year ago, even before the present administration took office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgbIUWWAJQ

The U.S was actually losing the war to the Taliban but the government along with the press made it seem like they are winning.

benalvino3:
Biden must soon make a decision on the Taliban's August 31 deadline (potentially in the next 24 hours), as it would take several days to withdraw ~6,000 troops from Kabul airport, U.S. officials told Reuters.

I never thought a day will come when the US answers to a terrorist group. What a shame

Imagine! The US even signed an agreement with a terrorist group.

Deadlytruth:
Answers:
1. Ironsi, in his May 24 1966 broadcast unequivocally stated that the regions were abolished and that Nigeria had stopped being a federation but had become simply The Republic of Nigeria as against the official name "Federal Republic of Nigeria". In that broadcast he all through described the regions as "former regions". What does the word "former" mean to you?
Then he broke the regions to groups of provinces which he appointed military governors over, and subjected them to his own authority at the center.

2. Gowon did not meet four regions. What Gowon met were four groups of very weak provinces under the mercy of an omnipotent center which, according to Ironsi in that broadcast, would all further be obliterated in the new constitution he was already drafting through his constitution review committee headed by Nwabueze. It was these weak provinces that Gowon regrouped into 12 states and partially restored their autonomy from the total non-autonomous status they suffered under Ironsi.

You are beating a dead horse. You can never never wake up their reasoning part of the brain concerning General Ironsi's decree 34. They just can comprehend the meaning of the decree. They even fail to see that General Ironsi took over the WHOLE COUNTRY WITH that decree.

NairaMaster1:
It means Joe Biden is another version of Buhari the lifeless.

Use your comprehension skills to explain how the imbecilic term in the article referred to Joe Biden.

OnlyDeCapPlease:
Tony "Dodgy Dosier" Blair is a disgraced politician. No one takes him seriously in the UK, even his own party labour where he has almost lost all his clout. Let him just focus on his paper chase (he is the richest ex pm in living memory) and stop trying to seek relevance.

This Afghan withdrawal was initiated by Donald Trump who did a deal with Taliban and ignored the Afghan government. Part of the deal was that 5000 captured Taliban fighters would be freed. Donald Trump's government put tremendous pressure on the Afghans to release these fighters and set a date for early this year for complete withdrawal. Joe Biden EXTENDED this date to August. Donald Trump's government cut the military in Afghanistan down. Eventually it was only about 3000 troops left in Afghanistan, and then it was further cut down this year again. Part of the deal with the Taliban was that they will not take over any regional city but they did exactly that as the NATO soldiers withdraw. Every one could see this happening weeks ago and nobody said anything, including Tony Blair.

Why are they all crying wolf now, looking for who to blame when they know EXACTLY what was going to happen?

Abeg helep me ask Trump worshippers if their personal God and saviour consulted UK, the allies or NATO before signing a deal with the Taliban and withdrawing most US troops?

EgunMogaji2:
100% in agreement with a withdrawal but 100% in disagreement with the mode of withdrawal.

Can you please educate us on the mode of withdrawal you would have agreed with after US combat troops was reduced to 2500 soldiers?

ecolime:
In other words, Biden is a slowpoke

The world misses the Presidents President.- J.T Trump

No where in the article was Biden mentioned or referenced in the article.

This is was Tony Blair said;

He said the decision was made "in obedience to an imbecilic slogan about ending 'the forever wars'".

We all know who made the slogan about ending 'the forever wars'

GardenOfGod:
Do you think former President Tump would have been this embarrassing to the world?
Your guess is as good as mine.

Trump was a worse embarrassment to the world. The world laughed at president Trump on many occasions. The withdrawal of US troops from Syria was as bad, so much so that Erdogan was on top of the kurds a couple of weeks after US withdrawal.

Besides the decision to withdraw all US troops was made by President Trump and had already withdrawn most US troops out of Afghanistan by the time President Biden took over.

The Taliban wants to show the world they are now reformed, at least for the time being. They know they would need foreign aid and recognition to run a successful government in Afghanistan. I doubt they would want to begin their rule with a conflict with the UK or the US.

They have allowed female foreign journalists to move around unmolested. They have been granting interviews and press conferences. It shows they want to create a more tolerant organization. I know they would run a strict theocratic dictatorship, I doubt they would be as harsh or repressive as when they were overthrown in 1991.

DonroxyII:
I see your efforts in trying to drum the warning drums but unfortunately 99% do not hear and will not hear even if you drum from now till eon times and it is not as if they didn't hear but due to selfish interest engineered by genetic disorder and immediate gain and pleasure they ain't seeing what you are seeing because they don't share same processing acumen as yours .... unless you will go to the field yourself and become their generalasimo but be rest assured the people you are trying to safe will be the very first to kill you not War

That's the Irony of Southern Nigeria especially your Southeast...... Did you see what happened with PIB signed into law and only 3% allocated to Oil Producing Nations .... You wonder why your senators and honourables were watching .... Nah .... They got to them and got them pocketed either through promised of juicy positions, oversights or threats..... Either way .... ... They are handicapped ..... That's Power .... Python can Handicap Chicken !!


The Slavery DNA still abound in the bloods of generations of slaves till tomorrow ... and nothing can be done about it unless they themselves collectively are ready to change and ready for change ........ You can't help those who don't want to be helped........ no matter what, your efforts shall be wasted and they will even serve you up ....

I learnt that lessons myself the hardway..... That's how I got to know how many prophet of God didn't survived because they got betrayed not by war with enemies but by the very people they were sacrificing for ..... I decided not to be a Messiah myself...........

The only Language of War is War and weak ones shall be consumed !!

It just saddens to see your own very people being myopic and not seeing the largest pictures .... But if Cows could see the movements and strategic positioning of tigers, the stealth movements.... Instead of attacking the tigers and/or lions enmassed .... they will just scattered themselves......

The people antagonising you are not more than you but because of dishonesty, lack of love and cohesion ... Lack of Loyalty they shall all be consumed .... They are meant to be ruled or consumed!! Generations of Slave ....

You wonder how Fulani uses one stick to control 100 cows .... just one stick even by barely 10yo kids ..... They are Rulers !!

How could antelopes believe Lions will rescue them from Crocodile ..... .... Antelopes claimed Lion belongs to Jesus .... Crocodiles belongs to Mohammed .....

Antelopes is just food to Carnivores ... all Carnivores ... The day they know that, the day they become Champions too and have a voice on the Global Decision Table !!

The redded quotes are deep, in fact too deep for black Africans to understand.

Selfish interest and immediate gain and pleasure is the bane of the black skin. I believe it is ingrained in the DNA. All we love to do is to dance, worship and merry. We are ready to sacrifice our future to quick temporary pleasures. It's this genetic defect that made slavery possible. It also made colonisation and neo colonisation possible.

You certainly can't help those who don't want to be helped. If you insist of free a black Africans from poverty and neo colonisation, he will probably hate you, and deliver you to those you are trying to free them from.

Lions are the west and crocodiles are the middle east and we the antelopes. The irony is that the lions and the crocodiles have cooperated in order to share the antelopes.

Ibime:
America did all the work, threw away $2trln, China inherited the trade

I said earlier that US is terrible at using its super power status to further it's economic and strategic goals. But Americans in general and prideoflincoln2 will not agree with me. China will now reap from US blood and efforts. The US should never have let Afghanistan go. It would have been a strategic position to contain China, Russia and Iran. US companies should have exploited Afghanistan's mines and resources and restrict their poppy trade. Just hope Afghanistan does not go back to being the poppy capital of the world.

socialmediaman:
Trump was even the person who signed an executive order for American troops to leave the country by January 2021, and people were applauding him based on his America first slogan. Now the same people suddenly love Afghans more than Americans and are making politics out of it
Cc seyz91

Trump had already virtually withdrawn most combat troops from Afghanistan before leaving office leaving only 2500 service men.

Pentagon says US has dropped to 2,500 troops in Afghanistan
By ROBERT BURNS and LOLITA C. BALDOR
January 15, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military has met its goal of reducing the number of troops in Afghanistan to about 2,500 by Friday, a drawdown that may have violated a last-minute congressional prohibition.

The reduction could complicate matters for the incoming Biden administration, which must determine how to handle a Trump administration commitment to the Taliban to remove all U.S. military, intelligence and contractor personnel from Afghanistan by May as a move to spur peace negotiations. Those talks are in an early stage.

Senior U.S. commanders are skeptical of the Taliban’s stated commitment to peace, although they have said they can accomplish their mission in Afghanistan with 2,500 troops.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a

Biden had no choice but to withdraw the remaining 2500 men.

basilico:
Its hard living the life of a Trump hater. The agreement. takes care of terrorism support first, then moves on how the two should engage in dialogue.
At the time Afghan has 4 times more soldiers than Taliban and state of the art hardware .
How this amounts to surrender is stuff left wing media is pushing on guile minds.

The talks had started between the Taliban and govt in Doha

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54255862

Clearly about how far Islamic laws should be implemented was a hot topic.

The agreement signed was premised o. the US pulling out within 14 months if the Taliban held up the agreement.

on this I would urge you to read Wikipedia, the leftist editors have nit slanted it as of now to malign Trump. Article sounds factual with no bias.

Please explain how the agreement on not supporting terrorism can be upheld? If the Taliban harbours another Osama bin Laden, what other measures can the US take outside another invasion ( after series of sanctions). Read the full "agreement" and tell me what the US gained from the agreement.

What other talks did you expect between the Taliban and former Afghan government when the US had already surrendered the country to Taliban on February 29 2020? The Afghan government were not part of the original agreement, so any other agreement between the Taliban and the Afghan government is a ruse. The actual war was between the US and the Taliban, the Afghan government was a prop of the US.

Quit lying. There was no ifs in the agreement. The Trump administration had made up its mind to withdraw by May 31 come what may. It was a campaign promise he was determined to keep.

Pentagon says US has dropped to 2,500 troops in Afghanistan
By ROBERT BURNS and LOLITA C. BALDOR
January 15, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military has met its goal of reducing the number of troops in Afghanistan to about 2,500 by Friday, a drawdown that may have violated a last-minute congressional prohibition.

The reduction could complicate matters for the incoming Biden administration, which must determine how to handle a Trump administration commitment to the Taliban to remove all U.S. military, intelligence and contractor personnel from Afghanistan by May as a move to spur peace negotiations. Those talks are in an early stage.

Senior U.S. commanders are skeptical of the Taliban’s stated commitment to peace, although they have said they can accomplish their mission in Afghanistan with 2,500 troops.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a

benalvino3:
Everyone or most people want the pull out but not like this. All of you magically or rightfully say this is inevitable, how come Biden and his generals don't see it? What did they do to take mitigate this?

They could have just come out saying the truth to begin with.

Address the world and say what is going to happen.

Some of you pushing conspiracy here, Russia and China will always enter where America left for strategic reasons.

Biden is a disaster

I posted the agreement of February 29 2020 to show you that the Trump administration had already handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban. Trump had already reduced US forces in the country to about 2500 troops. You know that 2500 troops cannot hold the country, Kabul maybe but not the whole of Afghanistan.

What the generals did not see was the speed at which the US trained Afghan military capitulated once the remaining US troops left. They thought that it would have taken at least a month of fighting before the Taliban would eventually take Kabul, which they felt would have given them enough time to evacuate the embassy and U.S. citizen. They did not envisage that the whole country and Kabul would fall within 1 week.

If Biden is a disaster, Trump was a catastrophe.

PrideofLincoln1:
Wirinet, you were disagreeing with me about the pull out yesterday. President Biden is in a hard spot with the situation at hand in Afghanistan and understandably so because the three Presidents before him including Obama that i love should have done what Biden just did. It's a wrong place to be for twenty years. After $2 Trillion and thousands of young lives lost, Americans are overwhelmingly against staying in Afghanistan when majority of Afghans don't even like the so called "Infidels" in their country. It might not be the best way to pull out but it's the right thing to do after twenty years. These Jihadists and Mujahedeens do not believe in Western Style Democracy and they prefer their Sharia Laws and that's why there's no resistance to Taliban by the Afghan Army with all the armaments America left for them. Thankfully that we can redirect our money to fix America because we can't be the policeman of the world.

I don't really see it as a disagreement. I see it more as a difference in perspective. I was pointing out that the US goes into these military adventures with no clear objective or clear exit strategy, and they all always end up in disaster, ie Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq and now Afghanistan. Even South Korea is a disaster waiting to happen. The minute US forces withdraw from South Korea, the North would over run thr country in less that 2 years. I am saying the US should start identifying its economic and strategic objectives along with an exit strategy before going into any military conflict, especially the invasion of another country.

basilico:
This was the agreement.


The February 29, 2020 peace
agreement struck by the Trump
administration and the Taliban
contained four parts:
1. "Guarantees and enforcement
mechanisms" to prevent Afghanistan
from being used as a terrorist base
from which to launch attacks on the
U.S. and it allies.
2. "Guarantees, enforcement
mechanisms, and announcement of a
timeline for the withdrawal of all
foreign forces from Afghanistan."
3. After the first two conditions were
met, The Taliban would start intra-
Afghan negotiations with the Afghan
government, which took place in Doha,
Qatar.
4. A permanent and comprehensive
ceasefire would be an item on the
agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue
and negotiations.
"The four parts above are interrelated
and each will be implemented in
accordance with its own agreed
timeline and agreed terms. Agreement
on the first two parts paves the way for
the last two parts," the written
agreement said.

This was not an agreement, it was a surrender. The US surrendered to the Taliban on February 29 2020 and effectively handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban.


The US released 5,000 Taliban fighters along with its leader. Shebi the US says they don't negotiate with terrorists?

See a screenshot of the agreement below with emphasis on the bolded section. You will see that it was a complete surrender, with the only Condition being that the Taliban guarantees that a Taliban controlled Afghanistan would not be used as a terrorist base from which to launch attacks on the U.S. and it allies.

How the US will enforce the guarantee once she withdraws all troops is a mystery to me.the the US population would definitely not support a return of US troops to Afghanistan should another Osama bin Laden take refuge in the countery.

Nothing Biden would have done to stop or reverse the process without huge political fall out. Biden's only fault was underestimating the strength of the Taliban and overestimating the strength of the US trained and equipped Afghan military.

PrideofLincoln1:
Easy for yoy to sit in your village and type your junk. I think Nigeria has a Peace Keeping mission that served in Liberia and Sudan. Why don't you petition your Bubu to send his military to Afghanistan to help and i hope you can carry M15 too so that yoy can join them. You see in your little corner typing basura not knowing what's on ground in America.

Liberia and Sudan did not have rabid hatred for Nigeria. Liberia and Sudan did not harbour Islamic fundamentalists that can plan and carry out attacks on Nigeria. Liberia and Sudan did not have an agenda to spread Islam and sharia all around world. Nigeria did not invade Liberia and Sudan, we went there on peace keeping mission to stop the country into degenerating into chaos. They never considered Nigeria as an enemy.

Let's see how these pan out 10 years from now.

benalvino3:
No, The same result would not have happened. Trump will not watch taliban stroll in. He already did it before. He signed a peace deal and Taliban was breaking the deal so he bombed them just 11 days after he signed it. we knew this was going to happen before biden took out the troops. the thing is biden did not bother to do anything to at least slow down the Taliban conquest.

This is a "Heads I win, Tails you lose"situation. If Biden did not follow through with Trump's plan to pull all U.S. troops from Afghanistan, Republicans and their supporters will blame him for continuing to waste American lives and money on a "meaningless" war. If a US soldier is killed in Afghanistan on the Eve of the next electionz (whether mid term or general elections), it will cost the democrats lots of political capital.

If on the other hand Biden pull out and Taliban takes over and start wrecking havoc on US interests, the same Republicans would blame Biden for pulling out too soon, and blame him for not reversing the Trump's pull out order or delaying it.