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7lives:
I guess the government is also not effective in America and other G20 countries.
America have the highest infection now, this is what they said on Aljazeera.
Even Thrump has been humled, enough with the cock and bull stories.
Way out is what everyone is looking for, whoever have a solution to the problem should please step forward.

Don't mind them wailers. Those that voted Buhari into power are all idiots, so they should have voted Jonathan, abi?

I don't know how a human being can continue to cry about an election loss daily for over 5 years. Its incredible.

9jaRealist:
You make it sound as if it's the only thing the FG is doing.

Contract tracing is merely ONE tool out of several...
Albeit a CRUCIAL tool - as we cannot efficiently fight infectious disease without contact tracing!

PS: Btw, your comment is IRRELEVANT to my initial comment, which was merely a contextual clarification of the term 'tracing'.
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Once again contract tracing is useless on a highly infectious disease like coronavirus. How many people can you trace? How many people you quarantine if found positive?

How many countries have contact tracing helped in curtailing corona virus spread? South Korea, a model on how to beat corona virus never bothered about contact tracing, they tested everybody that needs testing and started treating infected people immediately.

Nigeria that had only tested less than 200 people is talking about contact tracing. They think corona virus is Ebola or lassa fever.

garetz:
More liberal fake news. Trump never asked anyone to start swallowing chloroquine. Chloroquine is a prescription drug which means it can't be sold to anyone without a doctor's prescription. [/color] Many coronavirus cases have already been successfully treated using chloroquine [/color]so you liberals can spread fake news all you want, Trump was right, the use of chloroquine is saving lives during this crises. And many other countries have followed Trump's lead and are now successfully using chloroquine to fight the coronavirus but Democrats want to make it illegal to save the lives of their own state citizens with chloroquine. Have you ever wondered why over 90% of the deaths from coronavirus in the US is coming from Democrats controlled states?

Proof that doctors have been using chloroquine to cure coronavirus or any other virus, or that countries started following Trump's lead (as the world's chief doctor ) to prescribe chloroquine for curing coronavirus. Remember Trump only gave his "expert" advice barely one week ago.

There are obviously more corona death in new York, California and Major cities due to much higher population density. Do you expect a flu virus to spread more rapidly in sparsely populated rural areas where Republicans are majority?

9jaRealist:
It's what called CONTACT TRACING...

The FG is NOT looking for these people...
Rather, the FG is keeping track of ("tracing" ) them.
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Contract tracing will not work with a highly infectious disease like coronavirus. Many people who had it never had direct contact with infected person. The disease can be spread by picking it from a sneezing infected person in a crowded space or touching an object recently touched by an infected person. You don't need direct contact to spread it. So how will you trace someone you never met?

edoairways:
Watch how this thread will be viewed by few persons because he involves an imam but if it was the opposite it would hit front page at the speed of light. This however doesn't justify any harassment of any kind be it a clergyman, priest or politician.

That's because Islam never claimed to make a person holier than God. Islam never promised you that all sins are washed away and you are a new creature. In fact Islam allows paedophilia and polygamy.

Why people tend to attack Christianity more is that it is the most hypocritical religion in the history of religions. It usually preaches on thing, whiles it's priests and adherents do the exact opposite. It preaches against pre marital sex, but predominantly Christian nations have the highest rated of teenage pregnancies and baby mama's in the world. It preaches against polygamy, but most married Christians including pastors have side chicks. You will be amazed at the vigour some Christians use in defending married pastors accused of sleeping with female members - consensual or otherwise. You will think the word fornication had been erased from the bible.

GalaticHorde:
hope your brain has been configured to remember tRump is no medical practitioner

To them Trump is more than a medical practitioner, he is all knowing and all powerful, he is God. Trump said chloroquine is cure for coronavirus? Which mortal medical practitioner can contradict him? Any such doctor is deep state that wants to kill Americans. It does not matter that no medical practitioner has come out to prescribe chloroquine for coronavirus, so the dosage has not even been established. Trump just says start swallowing chloroquine. I hope his supporters take his advice, at least we the number of stupid people in the world will start reducing.

Oches4me:
See country that want to help Iran

We can help Iran with prayers. Afterall Trump's has turn to prayers to help the US battle the the Covid19 pandemic ravishing the US, and Nigeria has far more prayer warriors than any other country in the world.

South Korea that had its first infection on the same day as the US, has been able to contain the virus, Wuhan, where the virus started has been able to contain the virus, but Italy the Christian capital of the world says they have lost control and are now relying on God. The US that once used to be the last hope of the world has fallen to the virus, and Trump is relying on prayers.
What does that tell you? That concerted effort is more effective that prayers at solving world problems.

Sadteen:
Absolutely. I am an intellectual myself except I haven't read extensively on microbiology yet but I was fascinated with the way he conveyed his message so intelligently that it re-piqued my interest in his field. As for his opponents, I find their rebuttals vacuous, mentally weakening, excruciatingly dreadful for my mental health and shrouded in religious sentiments and delusion. I shudder at how people argue fallacies like their lives depended on it

Then you have not heard flat earthers. They want to take science back to pre Galileo. Even the church had apologised to Galilei Galileo, but religious fundamentalists deny science because they are holier than the Pope.

shekauvsbuhari:
who told U scientists dnt delieve in God? How many scientists do U know. Evolution theory is not even accepted by most scientists bcs of a lot of loop-holes and unanswered. It was a man dt put it forward(charles Darwin) and was never a generaly propounded theory by a community of scientists. I dnt know if U are a nigeria. Do U know dr. Olukoya de founder of mountain of fire is a scientist? Yes. With speciality in molecular genetics. First class material, british trained. He has been a christian from infancy cos his parents were pastors. He still has his personal world-class research laboratory even as he runs his church dt people tend to describe as a very superstitious. If such a scientist could be teaching his type of "strange" christian doctrine what then would u say about scientist not believin God.

You people can lie straight faced. The theory of evolution is one of the strongest and widely accepted theories of science. It is the basis of all branches of biology, it is the basis of paleontology, anthropology. It permeates geology, chemistry, geography and even archeology. You obviously are a liar for saying that evolution theory is not even accepted by most scientists. Only fringe scientist with religious motives question the veracity of Evolution.

I will like to see Dr. Olukoya's arguments against evolution. Better still i would like to see his academic papers. Dr. Olukoya needs to present his findings and his disagreements with the well established theory of evolution to the scientific community in a paper. If he is proved right with acceptable evidence, he will be greatest scientist of the last 100 years, in the mold of Einstein. Einstein was able to prove Newton wrong

The irony of the whole evolution deniers is that when Charles Darwin propounded his theory of evolution 150 years ago, the world was much more religious, Christianity ruled European political and social life. At first the theory was mocked and riddled, but after looking at presented evidence, it took just 15 years for the theory to be accepted.

Today, when we have far more information and evidences at our disposal, and purports to like in a secular world, a theory that had withstood scrutiny for 150 years is now being denied, not even by scientists but by pseudo scientists and scientific illiterates. They simply either refuse to look at the evidences or deny all evidences, based on religious conviction.

Here is a YouTube video that explains it perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18YwBwIK_no

garetz:
So which drug is the Democrat governor of New York using?

You tell me. I never knew Democrat governor of New York was a doctor.

What I know is that no drugs can cure Covid19 or any other flu virus, treatment involves managing symptoms and encouraging the body's natural immune system to get rid of the virus

garetz:
Democrat governors begin banning drugs to treat coronavirus. STOP pretending they don’t want people to die.

They are now to BLOCKING the prescription of Hydroxychloroquine & chloroquine to treat coronavirus positive patients. Gov. Sisolak of Nevada has made it ILLEGAL. They WANT people to die of virus. He Claims the ban is to keep drugs for patients with Lupus and other illnesses. In the middle of a national health emergency? This is a blatant lie.

It's the Republicans that says they are ready to sacrifice the aged to save the stock market.

There is no proof whatsoever that Hydroxychloroquine & chloroquine has any effect on Covid 19, and more people will probably die from the side effects and overdose of the drugs.

Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds

Hydroxychloroquine, a medicine for malaria that President Donald Trump has touted as a treatment for coronavirus, was no more effective than conventional care, a small study found.

The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine.

The study involved just 30 patients. Of the 15 patients given the malaria drug, 13 tested negative for the coronavirus after a week of treatment. Of the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine, 14 tested negative for the virus.

The results of the study weren’t statistically significant.
See here for the full report - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study

seanwilliam:
continue heading to self-destruction ... rubbish!

You have run out of senseless rants and now resort to senseless threats, typical Christian fundamentalist.

seanwilliam:
you are very daft.. when you identify with religion, it means you believe in it, cos if you dont, you will not associate yourself with it... stop staying nonsense with confidence!

See person calling someone daft, you talk like a semi illiterate. Most atheists identify with religion their are born into, as they become atheists in their adulthood or late teens. They have religious names, celebrate religious festivals and even occasionally attend family churches, mosques and temples with their parents. They are identified as atheists because they don't believe anymore in a personal God that created the universe in 6 days, that watches over all their actions including who they sleep with who and possesses all the negative human emotions like anger, jealousy, hate, love, ego, etc.

seanwilliam:
no all scientist though.. but most of them believe in God

False. Most identify with a certain religion due to cultural and parental upbringing, but most don't believe in a personal God.

Xisnin:
Donald Trump, the most incompetent president in the history of America.
He had 2 months to prepare but he does nothing.

Just check, only in third-world countries do you find leaders praying instead of working.
America is headed that way with Trump.

The poorest states in America are the most religious same here with Nigeria.
Trump will destroy what took 200 years to build if not stopped.

The evangelicals love him because he will create more poor people who would
then depend on the church for survival.

When Nigerians who can't elect a good leader due to sentiments loves a foreign president, the person must be
a disaster in waiting.

Poverty (and ignorance) is the fuel that drives religion. Rich people don't depend on God to solve their problems.
Nigeria before IBB pauperised the populace with SAP was not so religious. Yes, people went to churches and mosques to perform their religious obligations, but fundamentalism was not common. The muslims then got along with Christians and the Christians were not obsessed with converting the muslims. From the middle 80's both Christian and islamic fundamentalism started to rise, until it got to the dangerous levels of today.

Same thing in the US, as poverty began to rise, as the rural economy has been destroyed by globalisation, illiteracy and Christian fundamentalism is on the rise. If the trend continues, the US might become a Christian fundamentalist country within 10 years.

Jokerman:
Tell us anything you know bigger than God

First the use of the word "know" is a misnomer. You should use the word " believe ".
You believe your God is the biggest, others also believe their own God is the biggest.

I know that religion is a tool to control the poor and ill educated masses.

lagdmark:
If America that has the highest number of scientists and technologists believe in God, poor people from very poor countries still believe what they were thought in secondary schools which has not helped them so far.

What is the percentage of these scientists and technologists that believe in God? America has the greatest income disparity among the industrialized world. The US has the highest number of poor people among the industrialized nations and also has the poorest educational system. So it's a not a surprise that the US has the highest number of religious people among the industrialized world.

No wonder Karl marx said religion is the opium of the masses. After having failed woefully to act decisively when he should, having downplayed the virus for over 2 months and going from one gaffe to another daily, he can now turn to religion to get his sheep in line.
When a presidents turns to God to solve a major crisis, then the country is in trouble.

RealMrNigerD:
Just like I thought. Always the same with you evolutionists, can't subscribe your weak arguments for evolution to scrutiny. Just a childish rigmarole you're always on. Now I should forget etymological meanings of words and pick up a twisted scientific narrative written to support a flawed theory by wrongly interchanging words. Tell me how you can believe something to be scientificically proven which still divides the scientific community, something simply accepted by choice, rather than scientific methods of validation. You still can't see that mutation of complex multicellular into completely different organisms cannot be supported by adaptation(falsely called evolution) which occured in unicellular bacteria. If you're not going to explain how any of those in your list can really support the mutation of one species into a completely different species, how apes still all around us, living primitive barbaric lives, somehow mutated into intelligent humans shaping the universe with science and technology, then don't mention me. Inexcusable silliness in an era of enlightenment. I'm ready to rip apart your arguments like I usually do to all evolutionists when you're man enough to present your defense. Until then, don't bother mentioning me again, I won't respond.

See arrogance in ignorance. Someone that has no idea whatsoever on evolution wants to rip apart arguments about the same evolution.

The red parts of the quote is false. There is no dispute about the veracity of evolution within the scientific community. All branches of science agree on evolution, ie Biology, paleontology, Geology, chemistry, anthropology, archeology, Genetics - all branches of science. It is pseudo scientists and theologians or what I call scientific theologians, that quarrel with evolution, principally because it conflicts with their beliefs or the have a wrapped understanding of evolution. Evolution has been validated again and again by all branches of science.

Evolution is like the heliocentric universe proposed by Galileo, much as theologians tried to discredit it because it conflicted with their faith, the theory defeated the earth centered universe eventually.

Since you ignorantly claim mutation cannot in the long run change one specie into a completely different specie, explain to the whole world the origin of species. A Nobel price await you.

aadoiza:
Another nonsense from someone who believes they magicKally evolved.

Are you serious? For someone that believes God made the universe with Hebrew words, that humans are made from clay figurines, that a snake talked eve into eating an apple, that a man lived inside a whale for 3 days, that the sun stood still to allow Joshua win a war, etc, to call evolution nonsense and magic. That's what is called cognitive dissonance.

emmayoc:
If u believe u originated from monkeys and that they are ur great great great ancestors, believe that for u and your family. As for me and my family, we are created in God's own image and His likeness. My God is not monkey and does not resemble it. He is the King of kings and creator of everything in the universe. I am also a king not a monkey

I want to take you up again on the so called "you were created in the image of your God ".

Now look at these three images and tell me which one resembles your own image the most.

The first image is a gorilla taking a selfie with the park ranger

The second image is the general representation of Yahweh, which some Christians refer to as all mighty God

The third image is that of Jesus Christ, which most Christians refer also as all mighty God.

So which of the three are in your image?

Niggsrdumb:
U r explaining things like I already don't know.

Your previous posts suggest you know nothing about biological evolution. You did not know the humans (Homosapiens) are classified among the great apes.

I'm talking about speciation.. how we currently are not some biological taxonomy classification which continues to change.


Eg is a white man the exact same as an Asian or African?

A white man is exactly the same as the Asian or African (all the same specie - Homosapiens). The differences are due to environmental factors - the colder the environment the whiter the skin ), the straighter the hair, the longer the nose, etc., nutritional factors - the more abundant the food sources, the bigger and taller, and sometimes the selection or preference of mate - if men choose lighter females to have children, over time the general population will be lighter.

Do the differences account for any sort of selected advantages in each race?

Yes. Harsh cold environment make the people more resilient to the cold and aggressive. Higher elevation gives the people stamina and slim figure. Etc.

Yes there are more differences between similar races than there are between different groups of humans , but that doesn't cancel out the speciation different groups have acquired.


Doesn't look like u understand d question, anyway thanks for trying.

I have tried to explain as best as I can

Below is the different classifications of the Hominidae family tree, you will see we are closer to the chimpanzee and gorilla than the monkey.

Macsjebs:
As in, guys let's reason this together

How is it possible that the Bible was translated from Aramiac and like that to several languages before English without human modifications, errors and exaggerations.

How is it possible that it's a complete book and all parts were gotten and translated in a time when it was almost impossible traveling to several parts of the earth or say no known means or tech to preserve it in its original form like we have the internet today

You are attempting the impossible; which is to free colonised brains and minds from their mental imprisonment. You want them to actually use their brains instead of regurgitating what their colonial masters inculcated in them? Impossible.

Before the advent of the printing press, copies of the bibles were hand copied. You commission a writer to produce a copy of the bible. Only very rich people or institution could afford to pay a copier to produce a copy. The project can last from 1 to 3 year. Now imagine the situation during the early years of Christianity, like the 1st and 2nd century AD. Every copier was free to imput his own biases and those of his client. This was why Constantine had to call a conference to agree on which books and versions is to be used by the new religion. Accepted books and doctrines were put into the new bible and rejected ones were destroyed and their promoters persecuted.

Niggsrdumb:
You dodged d question ... Firstly humans are not apes , can't breed with them due to chromosomal differences and genetic distances.

Humans are classified as apes along with other primates.

The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes [note 1] or hominids (/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/), are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, of which only modern humans remain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae

The inability to breed is the main criteria is determining deferent species.

The common ancestor argument is void in the sense that everything with DNA has a common ancestor.. so essentially humans are not apes!!

Can't you see that your sentence up there is an oxymoron. How can you say everything with DNA has a common ancestor, but we cannot have a common ancestor with apes? Does that make sense to you?

I've attached the link about brain size differences in different races, that's what I'm looking to understand.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-show-iq-disparities-between-races-heres-what-that-really-means/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwix5oTnl6_oAhXDaRUIHWoRBXAQFjADegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw01HAmLwJLxqBEdMuJvID8g&ampcf=1

As I said earlier, the link is the personal views of one quora contributor, it has no value in the scientific community.

emmayoc:
If u believe u originated from monkeys and that they are ur great great great ancestors, believe that for u and your family. As for me and my family, we are created in God's own image and His likeness. My God is not monkey and does not resemble it. He is the King of kings and creator of everything in the universe. I am also a king not a monkey

But the image and likeness of your God is a white bearded man, with blue eyes and long straight hair. He speaks Hebrew and calls the Israelites his people.

Should not the image and likeness of your God look like you, and speak to you in your language?

donnie:
Don't mind them. While there is ample evidence of their connection with neanderthals (seed of fallen angels) traced to Caccusus mountains, where their race originated.

Abeg let's see this evidence. What's is the connection between Homo Neanderthalis and Homo Sapiens from the Caucus mountains.

Which race originated from the Caucus mountains?

Google is free, I wonder why some people are allergic to using it. Maybe if it is paid for, they would value it to search for information they are ignorant about.

jaxxy:
A white scientist can’t say anything embarrassing about his existence he must conveniently attribute such to the black man/race.

Saying man came from monkey with no evidence.

Why can't black scientists embarass white scientists back, by presenting our own data, research and theories? Are blacks only superior to whites in terms of religion?

The same white scientists that you say are embarrassing you also theorise that their ancestors were monkeys from Africa. Should that not be a greater embarrassment to the whites that their ancestors came from Africa?

Niggsrdumb:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2019/08/14/statistics-show-iq-disparities-between-races-heres-what-that-really-means/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwix5oTnl6_oAhXDaRUIHWoRBXAQFjADegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw01HAmLwJLxqBEdMuJvID8g&ampcf=1

A personal opinion from an unknown member of Quora is now taken as the view of the scientific community? Maybe our post here on nairaland should also be considered authentic academic position of the scientific community.
Even at that, you fail to read and understand the article itself, and it has little connection with evolution itself. He was comparing data of IQ tests carried out in some US schools and trying to explain the disparity according to races, schools, teachers and other criteria.

OChimex:
Listen to yourself. Now who is displaying ignorance?

sharing a common ancestors means, came into existence thru one lineage. same parents

I honestly feel sorry for you, your display of ignorance is alarming. So in your elementary school, you were taught that sharing a common ancestor means sharing the same parents? Your parents (or should I say ancestors) need to ask for a refund from your primary school up to tertiary level)

Again you guys are so confused and sound very ignorant to look at an intelligent being like human and even think they once had the same parents - a lower monkey? What a ridiculous laughable dumb thinking.

Again you sound dumb. Look up the meaning of ancestors and look up the meaning of parents, maybe, just maybe, you might learn something new.

Evolutionist are so. dumb and should all be called by what they propagate. Mr monkeys. Period. no offense.

Senseless emotional rants of a religious fundamentalist, who believes he came from dust.

If someone had a DNA test and found out he is some percentage of a particular race, he shouldn't feel insulted being called that race.

Another senseless emotional rant. Race, tribe, clan are all artificial constructs to divide humans according to some physical features or spoken language. We are all one specie.

Once again, Anyone who propagates these insane unintelligent theory should comfortably be referred to as, a Monkey, a very dumb one.

What i

The whole scientific world propagate the theory of evolution, all branches of science propagate the theory of evolution, from paleontology, genetics, molecular biology, geology, in fact all natural science in all universities and research institutes around the world. If you and insignificant illiterate, has any prove or data challenging a theory that have survived scrutiny for over 150 years, then present it and earn a Nobel price.

OChimex:
go to bed.
You sound confused.

since you so believe in evolution permit me to address u as a monkey.

You are a monkey, a black one. Enjoy your evolution monkey.

You are just displaying your ignorance and arrogance at the same time. No evolutionist or biologists every said humans evolved from monkeys. What they said was that at a particular time in the distance past, humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor.

Please quit speaking on issues you have absolutely no idea on.

Niggsrdumb:
My own question is if evolution is true, do we have the lowest iq since we have the lowest brain size according to the same science that teaches us evolution.

Abeg, where did you read that we have the lowest brain size? Please provide the links where you read that.