₦airaland Forum

Zuorom:
You are mixing up things, there's a difference between clinical trials on a drug that has already been approved for human consumption and one on a trial drug that hasn't been used by human beings. What's happening with chloroquine is not trial and error. These are qualified medical personnel putting their medical knowledge to use to help people and they have been very helpful in saving a lot of lives and up to date, they have not recorded a single case of a patient showing adverse reaction after they prescribed chloroquine to them.

Which doctor is reported to have prescribed chloroquine or quinine for a coronavirus? Since we have been having coronaviruses, no doctor had every prescribed chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for its cure.

I have been taking chloroquine and sometimes Quinine all my life as I am very susceptible to malaria. Any doctor will tell you that Quinine should be taken with caution, as it causes heart pulpertations. It can be very dangerous for people with heart problem or hypertension. Even me with a very good heart with no hypertension, when my doctor puts me on quinine, he makes sure he monitors my heart beat and pressure closely, not to talk of people with weak hearts.

Trump and his supporters prescribing drugs they know nothing about will kill more people that would have died from coronavirus. Coronavirus itself if not that fatal, it's fatality rate is between 2 -4% (with the exception of Northern Italy where other factors caused a relatively higher fatality rate).

klas:
The Police statement was issued when Lagos state governor initially shut down open markets. It doesn't apply to the total shutdown declared by the president.

Then why bring it to front page on nairaland now? It will confuse lots of people.

abdullkabar:
It does have antiviral effect

It has antiviral effects and we are just finding out about it? It has antiviral effects and millions of people had died of HIV /AIDS over the decades? It has antiviral effects and people spend millions on HIV anti retroviral drugs?

It just doesn't make sense.

False information. Oga seun close this thread as it is very misleading, and might make people go out and be harmed by security forces.

The commander in chief of the Nigerian armed forces gave an order, and someone is talking about the views of the spokesman of the Lagos State Police command. Besides, this advice was given during the movement restrictions imposed by the Lagos State Government, before the total lock down by the Federal government.

If in doubt read numbers 34 to 36 of the president's soeech;

34. Based on the advice of the Federal Ministry of Health and the NCDC, I am directing the cessation of all movements in Lagos and the FCT for an initial period of 14 days with effect from 11pm on Monday, 30th March 2020. This restriction will also apply to Ogun State due to its close proximity to Lagos and the high traffic between the two States.

35. All citizens in these areas are to stay in their homes. Travel to or from other states should be postponed. All businesses and offices within these locations should be fully closed during this period.

36. The Governors of Lagos and Ogun States as well as the Minister of the FCT have been notified. Furthermore, heads of security and intelligence agencies have also been briefed.

Read again " heads of security and intelligence agencies have also been briefed". Challenged the army at your own risk. They would use you to do "for example" and we all will learn from your experience.

More on Dr. President Donald Trump's claims;

New study casts doubt on hyrdoxychloroquine’s effectiveness in treating coronavirus

In a prime example of why President Trump shouldn’t be endorsing any unproven potential treatments for the novel coronavirus behind the current global pandemic, a new small-scale study by researchers in China indicates that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine actually isn’t any more effective than standard, existing best practice for conventional care of patients with the virus.

The study, which included 30 patients with a control of 15 who received no treatment, with the other half being treated with hydroxychloroquine, showed that there was a statistically insignificant difference in the number of patients who tested negative for the drug after a week. During the study, those who received conventional treatment were provided anti-virals that are currently recommended for use in China, including Iopinavir and ritonavir. After a week, 13 of the 15 control patients showed no sign of the virus, while 14 of the 15 who were treated with hydroxychloroquine showed the same.

Trump is obviously not a scientist or medical professional, and yet he has been touting the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine during the White House’s daily coronavirus task force press briefings, and on Twitter, including when he called for them to be “put in use IMMEDIATELY” on March 21. The drug can be lethal in doses that exceed physician’s guidance, however, and a Phoenix-area couple subsequently self-medicated with a form of chloroquine used for cleaning aquariums, citing the President’s information about it as the cause of their decision to take it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/new-study-casts-doubt-on-hyrdoxychloroquines-effectiveness-in-treating-coronavirus/amp/

stanech:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200329-french-expert-says-second-study-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

I already analysed the claims of that link to show how stupid it looked, besides I did not see any advice to Donald Trump there.

In case you missed it, here it is once more;

Hydroxychloroquine has been used for around 70 years to treat malaria, rheumatic conditions and other ailments. Now its potential use in the fight against coronavirus has become a source of hope for many, following encouraging results from a clinical trial in France on Monday. But experts caution that there is still uncertainty about its effectiveness.

Didier Raoult, director of a university hospital institute in Marseille, explained that he had conducted a clinical trial in which he treated 25 Covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine. After six days, he said, only 25 percent of patients who took this drug still had the virus in their body. By contrast, 90 percent of those who had not taken hydroxychloroquine continued to carry the Covid-19.

This is the crux of the trial. 25 patients were treated with hydroxychloroquine, after 6 days only 25% ( meaning 6.25 people - I wonder how he could get 25% of 25 people) still had corona virus in their bodies.
Now answer these; what is the incubation period of the virus, and how long does an infection last?
What is the fatality rate of the disease and by how much did the hydroxychloroquine affect the fatality rate?

“This study seems promising, but we have to be really careful before raising hope when it comes to a virus as new as this one, for which we don’t yet have a lot of data,” said Sarah D’Alessandro, a professor of molecular medicine at the University of Milan and a malaria specialist who has worked on hydroxychloroquine.

But when it comes to human trials, the picture is foggier. “Tests on human patients [except for malaria] have so far produced contrasting results that are difficult to interpret,” D’Alessandro observed.

This is the views of a malaria specialist who has worked on hydroxychloroquine.

A European programme of large-scale clinical trials was launched on March 12, aiming to test the effectiveness of four treatments that have already proven themselves against other viruses, such as Ebola. Hydroxychloroquine was not chosen.

stanech:
Trump is reacting to advice from professionals that it does help although I fault him for being in a hurry.

Abeg which professionals adviced him to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus, definitely not Dr Fauci. OK the latest excuse is that he was in a hurry to announce a cure.
Just noticed that this news of FDA's approval of chloroquine is not on the updates of FDA website. How come?
- https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates

This was the official statement from the FDA just one week ago;

Beware of Fraudulent Coronavirus Tests, Vaccines and Treatments

Because COVID-19 has never been seen in humans before, there are currently no vaccines to prevent or drugs to treat COVID-19 approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The FDA is working with vaccine and drug manufacturers to develop new vaccines for and find drugs to treat COVID-19 as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, some people and companies are trying to profit from this pandemic by selling unproven and illegally marketed products that make false claims, such as being effective against the coronavirus.

These fraudulent products that claim to cure, treat, or prevent COVID-19 haven’t been evaluated by the FDA for safety and effectiveness and might be dangerous to you and your family.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/beware-fraudulent-coronavirus-tests-vaccines-and-treatments

What happened in just 7 days? Did the FDA carry out clinical trials and the approval process in just 7 days, or did Trump blackmail then into approving an untested drug?

The US is beginning to look like a third world country.

stanech:
Democrats are literally hoping Hydroxycloroquine doesn’t work, just so they can say Donald Trump was wrong. #COVID19 #coronavirus

Why will Democrats hope the drug will not work or even work? Science is not about hopes, it's about facts. Trump needs to show data that Hydroxychloroquine cures coronavirus. Once he does, the whole medical profession - Democrats and Republicans will accept it as fact, and start prescribing it to their patients.

abdullkabar:
Chloroquine is an antiviral drug alright but I still think FDA has a reason for withholding their approval.

But we can't wait

Chloroquine is not an antiviral drug, it's an anti parasite drug.

No one applied for FDA approval except Trump. There was never application nor clinical trials for the use of chloroquine as a cure for coronavirus in the US. Trump just railroaded the FDA to grant approvals without tests.

The FDA gave emergency arrivals without clinical trials? Let's see if doctors will actually prescribe chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus.

Here is Trump on the chances of the drugs;

“Let’s see how it works,” Trump said at a press briefing on Sunday, referencing New York state’s efforts. “It may. It may not.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095

They want to live humans as guinea pigs.

stanech:
Wow I don't know wat u re ranting about but it certainly isn't what I typed. Pls go through my post again b4 u reply.

From what I understood you typed, you insinuated that liberals would prefer patient die than use a drug prescribed by Trump, according to conservatives. You now used Hydroxychloroquine as an example.

stanech:
Conservatives have always joked that if Trump mentioned a cure for cancer that his haters would refuse the cure.... we have the exact situation in real life with Hydrochloroquine/Z pak... liberals prefer to let patients die than use a treatement approved by the FDA due to TDS!!

Human worship is bad for your mental health. Why would Trump mention a cure for cancer? Is he a medical doctor? Trump is not omniscient, his opinions are not sacrosanct.

No doctor with any reputation has prescribed hydroxychloroquine to cure coronavirus or any other virus infection.

- - Continue
The second link - https://www.wsj.com/articles/these-drugs-are-helping-our-coronavirus-patients-11584899438?mod=hp_opin_pos_3
Is an opinion written in the wall Street journal by Jeff Colyer and Daniel Hinthorn. I could not read the full articles because a subscription or registration is required, and I am not ready to subscribe or register, but from what I am able to read, the article is an opinion piece by Jeff Colyer and Daniel Hinthorn. Now, I have no idea who they are or their qualifications. I doubt they are medical doctors

Exactly the same same issue with your third link -https://www.wsj.com/articles/doctors-turn-to-malaria-drugs-as-potential-coronavirus-treatment-11584729626
This article is also the private opinions of By Jared S. Hopkins and Daniela Hernandez
Updated in the same wall Street journal.

garetz:
One has to be a Stark illiterate not to reach that conclusion. How can you not when you're seeing testimonies of doctors who have tested, prescribed it and are recommending it? You're even reading the testimonies of the actual patients who were treated with it and you're here talking nonsense. If anyone is delusional here, it is you.

SMH
This is from your first link - https://www.france24.com/en/20200320-will-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-coronavirus

Hydroxychloroquine has been used for around 70 years to treat malaria, rheumatic conditions and other ailments. Now its potential use in the fight against coronavirus has become a source of hope for many, following encouraging results from a clinical trial in France on Monday. But experts caution that there is still uncertainty about its effectiveness.

Didier Raoult, director of a university hospital institute in Marseille, explained that he had conducted a clinical trial in which he treated 25 Covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine. After six days, he said, only 25 percent of patients who took this drug still had the virus in their body. By contrast, 90 percent of those who had not taken hydroxychloroquine continued to carry the Covid-19.

This is the crux of the trial. 25 patients were treated with hydroxychloroquine, after 6 days only 25% ( meaning 6.25 people - I wonder how he could get 25% of 25 people) still had corona virus in their bodies.
Now answer these; what is the incubation period of the virus, and how long does an infection last?
What is the fatality rate of the disease and by how much did the hydroxychloroquine affect the fatality rate?

“This study seems promising, but we have to be really careful before raising hope when it comes to a virus as new as this one, for which we don’t yet have a lot of data,” said Sarah D’Alessandro, a professor of molecular medicine at the University of Milan and a malaria specialist who has worked on hydroxychloroquine.

But when it comes to human trials, the picture is foggier. “Tests on human patients [except for malaria] have so far produced contrasting results that are difficult to interpret,” D’Alessandro observed.

This is the views of a malaria specialist who has worked on hydroxychloroquine.

A European programme of large-scale clinical trials was launched on March 12, aiming to test the effectiveness of four treatments that have already proven themselves against other viruses, such as Ebola. Hydroxychloroquine was not chosen.

When I say you have delusions and comprehension deficit disorder, very few people will disagree with me.

saaron:
They (Isreali govt) know very well that Corona virus is fast spreading in Nigeria. That's why they're evacuating their citizens. More developed countries will soon join the frey and evacuate all their citizens from Nigeria.
The number of persons possibly infected with covid 19 is far above what the bloody regime is dishing out to the public. How can South Africa have 700 + cases of those infected with corona virus and Nigeria have 81? This shows Nigeria's method of testing is grossly inefficient and very poorly done. With the way things are now, the situation is no longer about containing covid 19, it's now an outbreak no thanks to this incompetent fulani regime. They're grossly ill prepared to tackle covid 19.
Nigerians should try as much as possible to stay indoors and avoid unneccessary travels and visitations.
ONE NIGERIA IS DEAD!

And how will they know that corona virus is spreading faster in Nigeria than its speading in Israel? Have they established testing centres in Nigeria. How many people have died of coronavirus on Nigeria? 15 have so far died in Israel

Number of Israeli coronavirus cases surges past 4,000
Health Ministry reports 4,247 COVID-19 cases, 74 in serious condition; 15 Israelis have died from the disease — 3 in 24 hours
https://www.timesofisrael.com/number-of-covid-19-cases-surges-past-4000-but-infection-rate-slowing/

Israel did not evacuate it's citizens from Italy, the cemetery of the world, the Israel did not evacuate it's citizens from the US, the new capital of Coronavirus, it's NIGERIA that has recorded no coronavirus death ( except 1 from other complications), that they are evacuating from. The irony is that the Italian who brought the virus was cured in NIGERIA and has been discharged.

The number of Coronavirus cases in every country of the world is understated, because it depends on the number of people tested.


if the outbreak in Nigeria is because of this incompetent fulani regime, then this Fulani regime must be in charge of the US. The US has over 120,000 confirmed cases right now, and is expected to rise to a few millions within the next few weeks. The Fulani president said if only 100,000 to 200,000 dies as a result of the virus, they have done an excellent job. So the Israelis need to be evacuated to the US to experience the excellent job.

GalaticHorde:
no it doesn't, i require actual doctors assessments stating chloroquine as a cure for corona virus or maybe you misunderstood the gravity of your claims on its efficacy

Most Trump supporters are suffering from delusion. Some like the person you responded to has hallucinations and alternative reality added to his delusion. I don't know how one can read any of the links, he provided and reach a conclusion that chloroquine was tested, recommended or prescribed by any medical professional.

iamarealman:
Please search google for the meaning of hyperventilating. Ejor. I’m not sure that’s what you Meant

hyperventilate
/hʌɪpəˈvɛntɪleɪt/
verb
1.
breathe or cause to breathe at an abnormally rapid rate, so increasing the rate of loss of carbon dioxide.
"she started to hyperventilate under stress"
2.
be or become overexcited.
"the President was hyperventilating about a minor newspaper story"
- From Oxford

Abeg, me I no go schools o, somebody when sabi book well well fit explain watin oga mean by the following;

54. For the most vulnerable in our society, I have directed that the conditional cash transfers for the next two months be paid immediately.

55. We also call on all Nigerians to take personal responsibility to support those who are vulnerable within their communities, helping them with whatever they may need.

Cash transfers for who?

Take personal responsibility to who, and how?

BUHARIGOQUENCH:
Buhari is too dull

What are the palliatives for the general population? Nothing in the speech offers relief to ordinary Nigerians. How are we going to feed? If there is a total shut down, how do we get supplies of food, groceries and essential items.
Most companies are already reeling from the effects of restricted business activities for the past two weeks, I doubt many would be able pay full salaries. What's in the speech to help private companies maintain their workers.

Furthermore, most Nigerians live from day to day, shutting down all business activities would leave them penniless.

Other countries are spending billions and trillions to offer relief to companies and citizens, in order to mitigate the effects of economic shutdown.

Omooba77:
God promised to send pestilence and fever;

Deuteronomy 28: 21. The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

22. The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Is Coronavirus due to wrath of God?

No. Coronavirus is due to the wrath of EVOLUTION. Evolution caused the virus to jump from one specie to another. Coronaviruses are very common with other animals like chicken, pigs, bats, but after many mutations, the organism changes to a form that can affect humans. That was how HIV jumped from chimps to humans and how rabies jumped from dogs to humans.

Westlander:
As we are still battling covid19 some Americans are still practicing there satanic religion openly in front of capitol hill Washington DC. Satan Has Been Allowed to be Worshipped Openly in Washington DC as A brave Lady Rebuked Him
https://news.phxfeeds.com/share?docId=6568890715268393941&source=phx

It's a free country. You are allowed to worship any God or anything you like. It's non of your business. The stupid thing is the Americans themselves are not complaining, but one random person in one small corner in an African village is hyper ventilating.

flamingREED:
Not impressive at all.
You don't even know basic micro-biology.
You know how to get information yet you're asking for a link.
Most of you are really lazy.
No wonder you sit back and think God is fiction.

Why not educate me on basic Micro biology. I have educated you and many others on areas of my interests- evolution and science in general.

You gave an information and you want me to search for where you got that information? Does that sound sensible? Sensible people back up their claims with sources.

You that wants others to provide sources of your own claims is what? That's the very definition of mental laziness.

flamingREED:
Is evolution a formula or what?

Yes. Evolution is the formula for the diversity of life on earth.

How does evolution solve any problem?

It solves many problems, especially complicated health problems. The knowledge of evolutions helps us understand how diseases jump from other species to affect humans.

How do you apply evolution to chemistry, please?

DNA, RNA, proteins, the building blocks of life are all chemical compounds.

Do you know why the world is hiding the book Evolution A Theory In Crises?

Hiding a book in this information age? You must be high on some shit.

Why not watch Behe's 'Irreducible Complexity'?

Why not provide a link to watch it?

chozzy:
OP, they advertise to attract foreign investors.


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Gbam.
The target audience is obviously not you and me.
They want to attract oyimbo portfolio investors to came and buy their stocks. You will notice that all these these companies are quoted on the the Nigerian Stock Exchange.

Anyone with enough data should watch this debate between various religious priests, experts and professionals in various scientific fields.
Before the rise of pentecostal Christianity, the only religion that rejected evolution in its totality was Islam, most Christian denominations accepted evolution to one extent or the other, from catholics, Methodists, Anglicans, etc. This was because there were honest enough to look at the evidences. Pentecostals either deny all evidences or refuse to even look at them. Some are even dishonest to make silly claims evolution never did, and then discredit the whole theory based on these self made claims.

Here is the debate, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOPJXCDsMLI

Born2Freak:
This is the one area I can agree with you. Joe Biden is a senile old man that Trump will thrash anyhow. Man that cannot even remember his own wife.

Sanders should have been the nominee

Sanders cannot win the national elections, due to having socialist ideas. Russia, Trump and his allies knows this, and that's why they are trying to interfere with the democratic primaries in favour of Sanders.

Goldmaxx:
Information is so far from you. Trump apologized on live TV during the debate with Hillary Clinton, go and do your research.

Trump was 58 when he made that statement, so he was not an old man then. Nobody is perfect, I know you've done and said worst just that your time has not yet come. If his people can forgive and elect him then we have no right to still use it against him.

Liberals and their apologists are the most dangerous people on earth. They're the first to pull the racist card, the sexist card full of lies and dishonesty.
Tït for tat!

I have done and said worst? How do you know that, when you don't even know me? That you have commited a crime does not mean everyone you meet is a criminal. It's appalling when someone tries to excuse a crime by assuming others have commited the same crime without any evidence. In that case all criminals should be freed and our courts closed, because we can assume everyone else is a criminal.

Please post the apology so I can see how and who Trump apologized to.

garetz:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143953/People-say-anti-malaria-drug-helped-recover-COVID-19.html

http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200323-petition-use-anti-malaria-drug-chloroquine-against-coronavirus

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-treatments.html

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/who-to-launch-multinational-trial-to-jumpstart-search-for-coronavirus-drugs/

Praise God, I was beginning to think trump disabled your google apps the way he threatened Huawei.
Having Googled a link, you need to actually read the link beyond the headlines to see if it agrees with your assertions. Now, read you previous posts once again;

garetz:
Reports from China, South Korea, France e.t.c and also inside the US have confirmed that doctors in those countries have successfully used chloroquine in curing many coronavirus patients. Even the mayor of Nice in France, Christian Estrosi was successfully treated using chloroquine. These successes made the WHO to include chloroquine among the four most promising coronavirus drugs and the WHO have now started multinational trials using those drugs in several countries including Argentina, Bahrain, Canada, France, Iran, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, and Thailand.

And now explain how it supports the assertions that chloroquine has been used to successfully treat corona virus. While at it, provide the link to the mayor of Nice in France, Christian Estrosi's claim.

Goldmaxx:
so nobody gives a fuçk now and it's a fair play because it came from a liberal? What a level of hypocrisy!

Trump's statement was a locker room talk and he even apologized for that, let's see if sleepy Joe will replicate.

Trump apologize? Where, when and how? Hell will freeze over before Trump apologize for anything.

See excuse, locker room talk by an old man in a bus. Trumps worshippers are worse than religious fundamentalists, they make excuses for everything.

garetz:
Reports from China, South Korea, France e.t.c and also inside the US have confirmed that doctors in those countries have successfully used chloroquine in curing many coronavirus patients. Even the mayor of Nice in France, Christian Estrosi was successfully treated using chloroquine. These successes made the WHO to include chloroquine among the four most promising coronavirus drugs and the WHO have now started multinational trials using those drugs in several countries including Argentina, Bahrain, Canada, France, Iran, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, and Thailand.

You have been screaming reports, reports and reports up and down without providing a single link. Can't your phone post links or you are using Java phone? Even touch light Nokia phones can post links.

MiddleDimension:
was it John Paul now or Benedict that apoligized to Galileo?

Does it matter which pope apologized to Galileo?