₦airaland Forum

PointB:
There are far smaller countries without the resources (human and natural) that Biafra boast of. They are doing pretty well. Oil and natural resource is overated. With our without our kindred in South joining, Biafra will survive, Biafra will thrive! And we are not abandoning our investments in Nigeria, they must be protected by same laws that protects the Chinese, Lebanese etc investments in Nigeria. Any Biafran found in Nigeria after the secession, must respect Nigerian laws.

Please list the countries that are smaller than the proposed Biafra (in terms of population) that are doing well without natural resources. How will Biafra survive without oil? That is a question Kanu or any of his supporters are yet to answer.

Abandoning your investments in Nigeria or not is not your decision, it will be a decision of the Nigerian government in negotiation with the " new Biafran government". The right of foreign companies and individuals in a foreign country is solely at the discretion of the country involved. Refer to Europe and UK and Qatar and other Gulf states for further reference.

You are exhibiting high levels of arrogance if you think you know more about international and diplomatic relations than Senator Ekwerenmadu.

No IPOB member or supporter have been able to answer pertinent question asked by the Senate President;

“Importantly, as I mentioned earlier, we are not certain that the South-South will go with the Biafra idea. And in the event that they do not, what are our options for economic survival? Flowing from this, what guarantee do we have for international support if the main oil bearing region pulls out, knowing that no nation is a Santa Claus?

“Realistically speaking, is it possible that all Ndigbo living in the other parts of Nigeria, many of whom were born and bred outside Igbo land, and have been well assimilated by their host communities will return home? Many have never visited home and do not even speak Igbo language. Can we realistically expect those who have their investments in other parts of Nigeria to willingly abandon them and head home?

Are IPOB youths ready to sacrifice tens of millions of Igbo lives and trillions of naira of igbo owned properties in the North and South West for their Biafra? Most of these IPOB youths including their leader has little or no investments in other parts of Nigeria, most do not even have reasonable investments in the homestead. IPOB is like the proverbial Baby that was in dispute between two women in the Bible. IPOB believes the Baby should be cut in half because she would never feel the pain of loss, while the real mother prefers to give away the baby than lose her baby.

Ekwerenmadu and other Igbo groups are trying to preserve their lives and interests in the Nigerian baby.

tete7000:
Even with a vengeful heart, do you think an ordinary person can suddenly transform into a cold killer, the one who will kill without a nightmare? Can you be that killer?

It is called a mob. A mob is not rational . A mob can transform an otherwise timid person into a killer. Read up on mob psychology.

You are aware that blacks Africans are more emotional than cerebral, that is why pastors, imams, politicians and leaders take advantage and appeal to emotional sentiments rather than rational. People are so emotionally charged at the moment after seeing the way little kids and even babies were gruesomely murdered by this cult group. I tried reasoning with a group of guys discussing this lynching, a mere suggestion that the guys could be innocent and the group turned against me. I jejely kept my mouth quiet and left.
A couple of weeks ago main police station in Ikorodu was almost burnt down by a mob because the police refused to release a suspected cultist who was caught with the headless body of a small boy. I am just giving an idea of how charged Ikorodu is now over this badoo cult issue.

As much as I sympathize with the lynched guys, I put the blame squarely on the failing Nigerian state. Jungle justice is a symptom of a failing state, people have lost confidence in the police and justice delivery system.

If these guys are truly innocent, then they must be the most stupid people to every walk this earth. People have no clue what's going on in Ikorodu for the last three months.
Badoo cult group had been terrorising Ikorodu for some time now. Just four days ago a whole family of 7 were gruesomely murdered in their sleep, not so far from where these 3 were lynched. Added to that, most communities in odogunyan up to Ogijo received letters from the so called badoo that they are coming to strike, so all the youths in the area have been on edge. Youth have been making noise and burning tyres in most streets for the past four nights, we hardly get any sleep at all. In this charged atmosphere, you now have 3 youths driving a car around 3 am allegedly with engine oil and grinding stone. That is a death sentence if I had ever seen one.

In a sane society, the Numerous badoo murders would have been investigated and the perpetrators fished out and prosecuted, but in Nigeria, the police are only after Yahoo boys and bail. The government had not shown any concern at all. Two days back I saw people including women and young men march inside the rain to the Oba's palace to protest, still nothing had been done, nothing to assure the residents of their safety. The IG and governor seems oblivious of happenings in Ikorodu.

As I am typing this I am hearing youths outside shouting and firing gun shots in the air right outside my house.

pauljumbo:
Biafra does not mean you will loss properties you own in Nigeria

Nigerian own property all over the world using loosing properties because of secession it wount happen

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Owning properties in Nigeria does not automatically give you the right to resident in Nigeria, only a residence Visa will. Even though the Chagoury brothers owned hundreds of properties in Nigeria, they were still deported unceremoniously by the Obasanjo administration. It was after they reconciled with the government were they allowed back.

How will you live or manage a property in a foreign country if you are denied access to the country.

pauljumbo:
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i disagree with you check nairaland there is thread about nigeria and kenya even nigeria and Ghana they insult themselves everyday online and Nigerians still own properties in Ghana and kenya, me and you know non of this people who insults themeselve online will do it in real life.

even if biafra insults Nigerians does that mean they will loose their properties in Nigeria id biafra succeed ?

To have an idea of what happens in an acrimonious seperation, follow the Brexit negotiations between UK and Europe concerning the rights of each others citizens in either sides of the divide. Mind Brexit was not as acrimonious as a Biafra is going to be given the fact that the main reason of Biafra being promoted by IPOB is hatred of the Zoo(Nigeria), hatred of Hausa "cows" and hatred of Yoruba "bastards"

IAMMUIC:
My name is Macquis Udochukwu and I'm Igbo by ethnicity. I was born and brought up in lagos, in other words I've been in Lagos all my life. So also my parents. My parents have invested so much in Lagos, and telling them to leave behind all their investments and properties behind and move over to the region Biafra really doesn't settle well with me. Igbos Keep complaining about them being marginalized, but are they the only ones who have been marginalized in Nigeria?

I recently stumbled on an article where the so-called Messiah of the igbos Nnamdi Kanu openly declared his plans to bring Nigeria to ruins, a threat he plans to carry out by making sure no president emerges in 2019. According to him, all Biafran states will boycott the 2019 presidential election.

One thing I know for certain is that the only thing that can separate Nigeria is war. Another Civil war! It was also the case with Sudan and other countries that suffered secession as we all know it. What really happened in Sudan? After South Sudan had gotten the much desired freedom, was there ever peace within their walls? If at all the goal of Nnamdi Kanu and a handful of igbos are achieved, will Biafra ever be a nation of peace, stability and prosperity?

Truth is, the problem with Nigeria isn't Nigeria, a particular set of tribe or people, it is man himself. Man by nature is corrupt as we all know, Nnamdi Kanu himself isn't free corruption or human flaws. He too would disappoint as many as put their trust in him. We live in a flawed world overflowing with flawed men, igbos and every other tribe should understand this and live with it. Biafra is not going to be heaven or Canaan land as some are programmed to believe. There would be problems, such as we're currently experiencing in Nigeria.

I'm not comfortable with Nnamdi saying things on behalf of the entire Igbo nation as though he speaks for the entire Igbo nation. Let a poll be conducted to decide which Igbos are in support of Nnamdi's selfish action and those not in support. This would go a long way to correct the impression that all igbos are in full support of his actions. By the way, I wonder how Biafra would survive without the support of the Niger Delta region.

As Nigerians let us be wise and not be a gullible people. Let us not act like lower animals-the likes of cows and sheep, programmed to never think, but just follow anyone who leads them not minding the credibility or motif of the said shepherd.

God bless Nigeria and those dwelling within her walls!

My brother you have spoken the absolute truth, Kanu and his IPOB gang have put the lives of Igbos all over Nigeria in danger. Igbos are some of the most brilliant tribes in Nigeria but Kanu is making Igbos look stupid.

We often argue about this Biafra with my staff and customers at the office and one question I asked them yesterday was " What source of income will Biafra use in running their country?". I told them if the Nigerdelta refuses to follow them to Biafra, they will all die of starvation. I got all kinds of stupid answers yesterday; One said the international community will provide aid to run the country. Another from Ebonyi said they have rice and Cassava. I asked him if the rice and cassava can provide enough earnings to pay civil servants and run a government. Another said they would make money their importation business. I asked this one what will provide the foreign currency to continue their importation business, he did not understand, what i was talking about. Another shouted " We have oil in Abia and Anambra too". The most stupid one i heard was that they would cross the bridge when they get there.

To me Biafra just like Nigeria is predicated solely on oil income from the Nigerdelta. Kanu's struggle is all about cornering the oil fields of the Nigerdelta and depriving the other two major tribes - Hausa/Fulanis and Yorubas, access to same. That is why they cannot mention South East without attaching South South or Nigerdelta.

A Biafra with the oil rich Nigerdelta would make South Sudan look like a garden party, the oil bearing tribes would seek the help of foreigners to deny igloos access to their oil. Even oil Bearing Igbo communities like Etche and Ogba would jealously guard their oil against others.

Paperwhite:
EU can't dictate what happens in Nigeria as we're not their member.However,the UN constitution which Nigeria is a signatory to allow for succession.So EU assertion holds no water.

Abeg, quote the sections of the UN constitution that allows for secession. Secession is basically a domestic affair, the UN cannot impose secession on any nation, it can only act as an impartial arbiter

akanbiaa:
What if the lady was your sister and the pastor was right?

You said the key words " what if" meaning the pastor could also be wrong. One thing is certain, it is improbable that the pastor is right based on a single question asked at the alter. As I said earlier, it will be unreasonable for the groom to go through the expenses and troubles of a church wedding if all he is after are papers, when he could simply take the bride to the next available registry for very little cost and trouble.

akanbiaa:
The Pastor said the groom has no papers meaning
1. He can be deported anytime
2. He is likely to be in Illegal stuffs since he has no Legal presence
3. The pastor cherishes the bride as a daughter and knows with all these red lights the groom might just want to use the bribe to get papers no genuine love and commitment.

Lame. The couple can walk into the nearest registry and get married, no need of any pastor, only two witnesses are required. A married certificate would be issued.

eyeview:
I strongly support the pastor. They are not rubber stamps. They have a duty before God to counsel the couple before marriage and where they are not satisfied, can refuse wedding them even on the wedding day.
I remember during my marriage counseling many years ago, the reverend told us that how he had wedded couples for over 15years and not one has he heard divorced and won't hesitate to walk out any couple that will ruin that record.
If pastors will start assuming this responsibility they have towards the holiness of matrimony, many people today who have no business being even friends, talkless of being married which end up in divorce will be saved from it.
I have a friend today who cries in regrets anytime he laments his marriage. An almost 40 year old man shedding tears like a baby. He still confesses that if he ever saw his current experience then, he would have walked away at the altar. Won't such a guy be happy if it was his wedding this pastor walked out on.

Please,any pastor out there who sees clear signs that the union won't work and thus lead to more divorce, should call it off or walk away and absolve himself of any punishment from God whom He is representing.

I expect nothing less from you and your like who can never see something wrong in their heroes (pastors). Same way Trump said he would not lose any supporter if he shoots someone in the centre of New York, Nigerians would defend their pastors or Imams even if the shoot someone in broad day light.

Nobody is questioning the pastors right to refuse to perform the wedding even on the wedding day, the problem is coming up to the alter where hundreds if not thousands are seated and then walk away, that is an insult not only to the couple but to all the guests as well. If he did not see reasons not to refuse wedding the couple before the wedding day, then he is a charlatan, he was only performing a publicity stunt. Maybe he was blackmailing the couple and they refused to bulge.

The pastor came to the conclusion that the man is getting married to the woman because of papers, based on few questions he asked at the alter? that is a new low in senselessness. If the man was marrying the lady because of papers, he would not need to go to a church, a simple registry wedding would suffice. There are numerous wedding ceremonies in Ikoyi registry every Friday that is obviously for embassy papers only, and they never go near a church. For the fact that the wedding is taking place in the pastors church means one of the couple (presumably the bride) attends the church and is well known pastor and members of the congregation.

Nigerian pastors are fond of elevating themselves to the status of God.

GodsMopol:
I heard the bang, it was so quiet.

You are right, you can hear the big bang even today if you know how to listen. It fills the whole universe.

existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph Alpherin 1948 in connection with his research on Big Bang Nucleosynthesis undertaken together with Robert Herman and George Gamow. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they immediately realized that the CMB had been found. The result was a pair of papers in the Astrophysical Journal (vol. 142 of 1965): one by Penzias and Wilson detailing the observations, and one by Dicke, Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson giving the cosmological interpretation. Penzias and Wilson shared the 1978 Nobel prize in physics for their discovery.
https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cmb.html

Simple equation.

World market oil price = $111 per barrel = N87 pump + about N40 subsidy. Somehow the total cost of subsidy jumped to over N3 trillion in one year.

World market oil price = $40 = N145 ( and not N200) with no subsidy.

In real economic terms the cost of crude is only about 20% of the total cost of petrol. The pump price of petrol in Nigeria includes buying price of petrol in foreign refineries, cost of shipping the petrol from the refinery to Nigerian ports, cost of insurance, various taxes, storage costs, transportation to depots and petrol stations, bridging cost, and of course corruption cost.
Oh, I forgot there is also exchange rate cost as you will have to change naira to dollars to buy the petrol abroad.

So you see crude prices are only a fraction of the pump price of petrol.

If this is true then most British citizens would not live to be 40. The English eat Fish 'n' Chips practically everyday. When i was in London, i eat fries (deep fried potato chips) every day. I should be dead by now

morbeta:
Quit notice everywhere.......

These Biafrans are ready to commit suicide just to spite Nigeria.
Which country do Biafrans have the most stake in - Taiwan or China? Can you compare the number of Igbo's in China to the number of Igbos in Taiwan. Are they aware that the Igbos would be adversely affected if Nigeria engages in a diplomatic spat with the Chinese.
So these Biafrans are telling us that in the event of biafra coming into reality, they would rather sacrifice diplomatic relation with china to please Taiwan? Something even Trump could not do.

The Igbos like many other group of people has the right to call or agitate for a separate state, the problem we have is the way Kanu and IPOB had been going on about it. You do not agitate for secession based on hate, even under UN conventions hatred of other tribes is not a ground for secession. Calling northerners Fulani, Gworo chewers, cows or calling Yorubas Amala eaters, traitors, slaves or other derogatory words would not help their secession agenda. It will only breed hatred.

Promoting Biafra with a radio station spewing hatred and insults of other tribes is a dangerous game. The Rwanda genocide was triggered by similar Radio station spewing hatred of other tribes. By the time the people had been sufficiently fired up, millions of lives had been taken before sanity returned.

pazienza:
And how many times would you have to make your point known? How many times?

As many times as it takes to make it sink in that we are not interested in your Biafra.

Who asked this man about the feasibility of Biafra? Couldn't he have just minded his business? Who sent him?
You said you are not part of Biafra, and we so no problem, adding you was a mistake to start with, then you go off tangents lecturing us on why Biafra won't work, don't you see problem with that?

Then apologize for adding us to your dream country and remove Warri from your Maps. I will then wish you good luck on your aspirations.


You are also attaching yourselves to Igbo land in SS , so maybe you should work on that too.[/quote]Please explain the bolded, i do not understand.

pazienza:
Expect Atleast two per day of these types of public attention seeking and relevance seeking by irrelevant groups, using Biafran agitation as their launch pads
Biafra and Ndiigbo are the hottest news in town, every irrelevant group want a bit of attention by putting themselves on the Biafran news.

When you finish vowing your belief in one Nigeria, in furtile bid to spite Biafrans and curry favour from one Nigerians. I would see how you intend to get your Niger Delta republic.

Lol!

Why will my vowing my belief in one Nigeria be spiteful to Biafrans? I do not understand. Are people agitating for Niger Delta Republic begging for help from Biafrans?

Without you guys attaching us to your Biafra by force, you will not have heard anything from us concerning Biafra.

comrChris:
And what do you and your likes call igbos? Or are you saying you people dont insult igbos too..

Your problem is that you people always point finger at igbos and leaving your own fault behind..

Nigeria can never be better if you and your people continue to hide the truth

Can you point out where I or any of my people have insulted Igbos? I cannot think of a reason why an Itsekiri man or an Urhobo man would go out of his way to insult Igbos. It is only when IPOB add us to your Biafran project and then call us Fulani slaves, Afonja, blind and stupid people who need to be saved by the Igbos, that we sometimes react.

We have our own faults just like you, but we do not require you people to point it out for us.

Cooly100:
Good for you...we know what we want...and how to get it...It mustn't comply to your own ways...We have the right to ask for self-determination...It is not a crime...Besides your right is not infringed in the process. So give us a break...

This is the best i have read from a pro-biafran supporter, i am certain you are not IPOB. I wholeheartedly agree that you have the rights to self determination, as long as you do not infringe on my rights to chose to belong to Nigeria or not. I can not be minding my business and have some people insult my tribe because i choose not to participate in their dream of secession, it will naturally elicit a response from me.

Believe me, me and my Itsekiri people will give you all the support you need.

Cooly100:
You are so dense..how many pressure groups have you formed to get restructuring that you have been mouthing about since 1914. I don't need to waste my time mentioning federal investment in other regions SE...ID you are happy with the structure of Nigeria...good for you..We in the SE are not and we want out...and there is nothing you gullible fellow can do about it...You can use the lagoon if you are not happy with the way we are going about it... In your feeble mind, Mike is too emotional, abi?

You must be an IPOB delinquent child, because an IPOB youth would know that my people have been pressuring the British and subsequently Nigeria concerning our interests since 1914. Our pressure led to the Willink Minorities Commission of Nigeria in 1957, our pressure groups led to the creation of Midwest region in 1963, our pressure led to the creation of Delta state in 1986, our pressure led to the 13% derivation, our pressure defeated the onshore - offshore Dichotomy under Obasanjo. There are too many issues that our pressure groups have achieved down the decades.

kingzizzy:
Look, this has been dealt with many times. The Nigeria you are talking about is the mere artificial creation of the white man. As we all know too well, none of the indigenous ethnic nationalities that make up Nigeria, including Igbos, ever gave their consent for the creation of Nigeria. Odinarily, the British should have held a nationwide referendum in 1960 before the left to ask all those they forced into the union of Nigeria if they want to continue with it. They didnt out of selfish interests.

So asking Igbos to seek a democratic way out of Nigeria when Nigeria was not democratically created is neither here nor there. As far as Im concerned, Igbos are being illegally held in Nigeria

Most countries of the world are mere artificial creations, especially ones colonized by Europeans. Most African countries were shared without regards for tribe, language or culture and they did not obtain their consent before the countries were created. What the Europeans had was a treaty, a protectorate treaty so they would not be attacked or invaded by other Europeans. It was that protectorate treaty that allowed the British to Govern Nigeria the way they deemed fit, and they decided to amalgamate first the various ethnic tribes and ultimately amalgamate southern and northern Nigeria.

Before the 1960 independence, the British called the leaders of the Three regions to decide whether they want to stay together or divide as separate countries. It was the Igbos through Zik that insisted that we stayed together.

The impression you guys give is that Igbos promote one Nigeria if the power equation is in their favour but immediate begins to scream succession the moment the power equation goes against them, and tries to drag every one else along with it.

vengertime:
when the time reach, you go tell us if them write Igbo on my people forehead. Almajiris wey no know who be who, as long as you're not Arewa you're dead.

That is not your problem. That is a problem for Afonjas to sort out.

Cooly100:
I want to shut your mouth and shame you...with those that gave you 5 likes, with these images...The [b] SE leaders have been visiting all past Nigeria leaders on the issues of the SE, but none of them listened.So what do you want the youths to do? We are not emotional..it is you who have failed to see what is happening because you have never visited the region...Again please name one federal project or investment in the entire SE? [/b]

SE leaders visiting past Nigerian leaders? Why exactly? What do you thing past leaders can do to promote your interests. They see currents leaders, they ignore but visit past leaders. They should have visited the graves of dead past leaders also, maybe those ones would intervene from heaven.

What youths can do? Youths can organize themselves into pressure groups, then articulate your ideas, demands and interests. You campaign to get strength of numbers (that is what democracy is all about), then you either support on the local, State or Federal level someone that believes and can promote those demands and ideals. The current youths only know how to wail and throw insults on social media.

In the same vain, name one Federal project in the South South, South West (outside Lagos), North West, and even North Central (outside Abuja).

Nwakaumu:
its you yoruba that has mental problem,otherwise you should ve concerned yourself with how to stop ritualistic human skull mining and hunger that is ravaging yoruba land.you shameless lot claim igbo are not complaining against these injustice but pretend you do not know that these injustice is what fuel the current Biafra agitation. Get da fvck outta here.No wonder Sanusi says that Yoruba is the Problem of Nigeria.They always stand with any thing that is bad.

For you information, I am not Yoruba.

But, I still ask, what concerns you with Yoruba problems, when you guys say your own problem is much more that theirs? How did Yoruba enter your Biafra agitation?

You now see why i say you need help?

FUNNYBONE1:
EVERY TRIBE IS NOW TAKING A STAND, AFONJAS ARE STILL SITTING ON THE FENCE WAITING FOR A SOFTER GROUND, HAHA EWEDU-EATING COWARDS

Forget Afonjas or every other tribe. Talk about your own. Take your own stand and don't worry if Afonjas or other tribes takes a stand or not.

Blizzy9ja:
Afonjas are sooo afraid right now... What will become of their sorry ass

What concerns Afonjas? Was it Afonjas that were issued ultimatum by Northern youths? So what or who should they be afraid of?

Nwakaumu:
Yoruba,thats how you lot talk trash.why are you people like tol act like an. Ostrich that would rather bury his head in the sand than face the reality. I spit on you people .

You guys must have a serious physiological condition that makes you think, sleep and dream Yoruba every second of your existence. You need help!

The Irony is that it is still you people that will be wailing about others hating you.

EzeUche:
Will you keep quiet!

The Igbos have been dealing with this nonsense for decades and we did not say a thing.

Now we are demanding a referendum. So keep your emotional nonsense to yourself

Another senseless emotional rant.

Which nonsense have the Igbos been dealing with that others have not been dealing with?

What Referendum are you demanding exactly? Is it that Igbos want to leave Nigeria? If that is the case, then you guys need to form political parties with secession as the agenda. You cannot achieve secession with a cacophony of noise on TV, radio and social media.

NothingDoMe:
Niger Delta is sure.

At the time they are conducting the referendum every tribe can speak up indicating what they want.

The Nairaland Afonja's can continue their relationship with the north.

Cant you talk about your Biafra agitation without mentioning Afonja?

Please learn to mind your own business and talk about your concerns, leave other to iron out their own interests.

Cooly100:
Last April, I travalled to Enugu by Airpeace on my way from Europe and US...Going back I decided to go by road...From Enugu to Onitsha was horrible...from Onitsha all the way to Lagos was smooth. I boiled with rage wondering if SE Nigeria is still part of Nigeria...I couldn't believe this wickness persisted... To prove that this was a delibrate policy of the evil central government...the distant from Enugu through Awka to Onitsha is less than 150 miles, compared with say, Benin to Lagos...If the Igbos are hated that much, why not allow them to leave...as they are agitating...

The problem i have with you guys is that you guys are too emotional. Instead of making your demands clear and unambiguous and use diplomatic, political and other legal means to air your grievances and how to achieve your demands, you guys resort to complaining, insults and sometimes outright threats. The south east have 5 governors, 15 Senators and 60 House of rep members, have you guys made your grievances known to them? Have you made official complaints to both the Federal and State Governments on the so called siege on the south east? Have you guys held protest complaining of the excess military and police presence in the South East?

You guys always accuse others of hating on you guys, but it is you guys that throws the most insults on social media, it is you guys that involve other people who are not interested in your agitations. You guys call minority tribes in the Nigerdelta slaves, you insult Bini people, you call Yorubas all sorts of names, you call Northerners cows, and all sorts of unprintable names, and you are here talking about others hating.

So what happens after the FG pays the Paris Club loan and the governors use the loans to pay owned salaries? Which loan will they use to pay workers salary next month, month after that, ... and so on.

A Federal Structure that renders states as parasites is untenable.