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frank043:
What are you saying?...are you a civil engineer?I guess you are not, cos of the terms you used? Steel roof systems are meant for long spans (they only need supports at their extreme ends), ie if it's properly designed by a professional and experienced civil/structural engineer. Steel sections are very efficient in performing that function, that was why timber wasn't used or ain't used for long spans. I know this cos I'm a civil engineer, and I have modeled, analysed and designed more complex steel roof systems, with much longer spans.

Now, from the pictures I have seen, the concrete quality is BAD! The columns were under reinforced, the steel roof lost stability due to poor connections between the members and between the trusses and the supporting columns, the diagonals' section sizes and also due to the fact that the columns meant to take horizontal thrust and moment failed in shear as a result of being poorly reinforced (the concrete columns where forced to take tension...concrete doesn't take tension, it.will shear). From the state of the construction site, quacks were in charge doing what to have absolutely no professional idea of.

There's no way they would have had some immediate signs of collapse, cos steel fails plastically(ie there are no warming signs), ie if it was even analysed and designed, which I firmly doubt!

May the souls of the dead rest in peace. AMEN.

I agree with most of what you wrote save the quotes I highlighted in red. From the pictures I have seen, there is no evidence that the concrete quality was bad and also, there is no evidence that the columns meant to take the horizontal thrust failed. From all the pictures I have seen, the roof simply collapsed on itself. It was too heavy to stand. Just look at the size and weight of a single steel truss, then multiply it by the total number used for the whole roof, you will realize the roof cannot stand even place alone on the ground. The concrete pillars and beams were still standing after the collapse.
See this video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNKq9dsU_k

I also doubt the pillars and beams can withstand the weight of the roof for long even if the roof had not collapsed, they look too flimsy.
See the ease with which a small crane snapped the beams and pillars in the video.

I am an architect and not a structural engineer, so I concede competence in such matters to you guys. I am only voicing my opinion.

Structures can be built without central pillars. Geodesic structures are structures built with steel members (triangular units) that can distribute the load within the whole structure.

helovesme:
The soil's load bearing capacity for a structure of that size is very important. It is one of the very first test that should have been carried out before any work commenced on the building site.

Looking at the picture, the soil looks like laterite.

Looking at the picture again, it appears there was a lot of soil excavation before the construction work began.

No body is saying that soil test to determine its load bearing capacity in order to aid foundation design is not important, what i am emphasizing is that this particular building collapse (or should i say roof collapse) had nothing to with ability of the soil to carry the structural loads (foundation failure). The building collapsed due to structural design failure.

There is nothing wrong with the design of the building itself. I have seen several far more complex structures. The problem is too much emphasis was placed on the structural roof work without thinking about the load bearing walls/beams/soil.

You are contradicting yourself in one paragraph. You said nothing is wrong with the design itself and then followed up that too much emphasis was placed on the structural roof work without thinking about the load bearing walls/beams/ soil .

That roof could not stand the way it was design.

to9ine:
People that didn't even pass elementary physics are forming structural engineers.. Building designs have evolved to some fantastically crazy looking structures that hitherto will have been termed impossible.

Instead of forming na we sabi, let's wait for the experts to conclude..

Nigeria will be a lil bit better if people talk less and think more..

And you think there are no structural engineers/architects or other construction professionals here.

lofty900:
If the building hadn't collapsed, would u have noticed this?
Winners chapel doesn't have a pillar in the middle, so I don't think it's design problem. I think it's substandard building materials that caused this mess

It is a design problem. Are you not seeing the flimsy nature of the concrete pillars that was supposed to carry the steel roof trusses? Can you not see the flimsy way the roof is joined to the beam? It looks like the roof trusses were simply placed on the beam like a cap. A strong wind would have blown the roof off. The weight at the centre of gravity of the roof (the middle) would be tremendous and there were no support or counter balance to offset that weight.

helovesme:
Was any test done to determine the soil's load bearing capacity

It looks like they wanted to emulate the winner's chapel edifice at Ota but they've forgotten that bishop oyedepo is a trained Architect.

Look at the walls isn't that just block and cement? No steel beams to support the overhead steel work

Soil test to determine load bearing capacity is not the issue here as the building did not collapse because of foundation failure. The building collapsed due to design failure.

Because Jesus christus was a roman creation. Most of the characters in the story had Latin names or of Latin origin, ie Luke (Lucas), Mark (Markus), Peter ( Petros), Barnabas, Judas, Lazarus, etc. Even Mary ( Miriam) is said to be of Latin origin. The Jews find it difficult identifying with roman characters, the same way igbos would find it difficult identifying with songo, olodumare, obatala and other Yoruba mythical characters.

Blitzerz:
U r actually pained because the word of God saved someone here. Nothing more

The same word of God that could not save members that were brutally killed at reigners church at Uyo, or are you telling us that does that died did not carry their bible to church.

EgusiSoup:
So how does this affect the price of smoked fish in the market?

We were not discussing the price of smoked fish or the price of bush meat. This thread is about why the church building in Uyo collapsed, and you put the blame squarely on Buhari.

EgusiSoup:
What is this one saying

I am saying that you are totally ignorant that Buhari aka the FG has no business with Building plan approvals and supervision.

EgusiSoup:
APC led by the dullard has brought poor leadership that have cause building to collapse and kill people

I does not knows why people went to vote for a man who have no WAEC certificate to lead them.

I am pitying Nigeria.

Is it ignorance or mental disease that is wrong with some people? What concerns Buhari with Building collapse? Building approvals and regulations are strictly in the purview of States and local governments. I thought someone that claims to possess a WAEC certificate should know that

"My take on this is that it should be investigated, the contractor(s), the owner of the church and those who supplied materials for this building should be made to answer questions.

Investigate Men of God in Nigeria? You must be joking, right? Are you not aware that in Nigeria, prominent Men of God have immunity from investigation and prosecution. Have you not heard about the injunction; "touch not my annointed"?
A small girl was slapped live by a man of God, did you hear of any investigation? A guest house built without permission or approval by authorities by a man of God collapsed and killed over a hundred people, did you hear of investigation?

Abegi, leave matter for Mathias. The people that died is what we call sara (sacrifice).

I have not seen so much bulshit concentrated in one place.
I am certain the OP did not even take time to read the rubbish he is copying and pasting not to talk of understanding it. I certainly would not waste my time by debunking each paragraph, I will only debunk two fundermental fallacies about the laws of thermodynamics you stated.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the total entropy in any isolated thermodynamic system increases over time. The keywords here are isolated thermodynamic system . Can you prove that the universe a strictly isolated thermodynamic system. For starters, dark energy and matter ( of which very little is known) make up to 95% of our observable universe.

First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. This simply insinuate that the universe is eternal. Put in another way, it state that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. The problem with you pseudo and religio scientists is that you do not understand that matter is energy.

So it is either the universe is eternal or you God is eternal. If it is your God that is eternal, then the laws of thermodynamics cannot be valid, as your God can always add more energy or reduce entropy in the universe at will.

The whole import of his message is; pay your tithes and offerings without fail so as to avoid recession.
Recession period is usually a boom for religious organizations, ponzi schemes and betting companies, they are the only ones that sells hope to the hopeless.

Jidibia:
Please repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

This same message was what John the baptist said in Matthew 3:1;

1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Now that was even before Jesus was born.

Now, Jesus himself in Matthew 24:32 and 33 said the same thing, he even added that it will be in his generation;

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled

Now over 2000 years later, you Christians are still threatening " Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand ".

dominion001:
Rom 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
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If you acknowledge that fortune or tragedy happens to everyone without any known reason, why then are you Christians insinuating that the over 70 people that died in the plane crash perished because they were not good bible reading Christians, and that the one bible reading christian that survived was proof of bible reading christian's ability to escape tragedy.

Blitzerz:
Are you pained?

I am pained because fundamentalist Christians instead of commiserating with the families of over 70 people that died in the senseless and careless accident are trying to score cheap religious points.

And majority of the passengers that died were reading what? The Koran, the bhagavad gita or tipitaka?
So he was the only true Christian in the plane and that was why Jesus saved him?

Is there something I am missing? How on earth will 3 small 1.2dcv tiger batteries light an incandescent bulb probably rated at 60 watts 220vac. Why did they not take a picture with the bulb lit up?
I designed far better circuits at 17. I was building am transmitters using simple transistors and inductors.
This is a celebration of mediocrity. I would only be slightly impressed if the boy was able to invert the DC current to 220VAC and then use it to drive the bulb ( even it it lasts a few seconds).

Edit
I made the above comment after reading the first 2 paragraphs and looking at the picture, so I did not see this;

When I interviewed him on how he constructed the lamp, I learnt he used a rubber type of plate, four pieces of wires, batteries, a plain wood, a burnt electric bulb that he inserted a torch bulb inside. This boy you see is a school-drop-out in his SS3 due to financial issues.

It still does not make sense. There is no way you can insert a touch bulb or anything else inside an incandescent bulb, because the inside of incandescent bulbs are kept at very low pressure ( to keep the tungsten filament from burning up). If you break the base you will break the glass.
It might be that he used LED, but then why bother to go throght the trouble of putting LED inside an incandescent bulb. Mallams make simple touches with a few LEDs mounted on CDs (compact discs).

Afam4eva:
Igbos like yourself ought to be ashamed of yourself. You maake very bogus statements and when you're confronted with superior wisdom, your resort to giving replies like you just did. Why don't you tell us how the action of one Igbo man or a few Igbo people translate to the action of the entire Igbo race.

I'm also not so enthusiastic about the whole Biafra ish but i'm not remotely senseless enough not to know that it is the right of any group is Nigeria to seek self determination . it has never been a crime and it will never be. Granted most supporters of IPOB and MASSOB are violently vocal in their utterance or should i say, forceful in the way they cajole, people, it's left for us to represent an alternative geared towards a similar goal and not to throw away the baby with the bath water.

I am surprised someone as brilliant and exposed as you is making the statement I bolded. Well you might be right that any group in Nigeria or any other country has the right to seek self determination, but it is also the right of Nigeria to refuse, such requests. Just like Idi-amin used to say, freedom of speech is guaranteed, but what he cannot guarantee is freedom after speech.
A group can only exercise its freedom to self determination if it has the military might to gain and protect that right to self determination or if it has a super power that is ready to help sustain and protect that right to self determination, otherwise, you will just sacrifice your people for nothing. Western Sahara has been fighting for independence from Morocco for decades, Tibet has been under Chinese occupation for almost a century, their spiritual leader has been in exile for decades, the Basque has been fighting for independence from Spain for centuries. The kurds are scattered within three countries and they are fighting Turkey, Iraq and Syria for self determination. I can sight numerous other examples. The ones that had been successful ie, Israel, South Sudan, Taiwan, had the backing of US and by extension UN, if US withdraw support for Taiwan, the Chinese would overrun Taipei within days.

xelly:
Speaking for or against can be determine by referendum. Let's vote for or against. Brexit was by referendum not by opinion. Am neighter sure by Vote we will have Biafra nor am I sure we won't have it.

You cannot force a referendum on a people, my people had never asked for a referendum. The last time my people asked for a referendum was in 1963, when we decided to opt out of the western region. If you people want a referendum, good for you, but leave us out of it.

If we are matured, let's vote and not force people against their wish. If you want Biafrans in Nigeria and they are complaining and want a separate state, look at their complaints and solve it.

I really do not care if Biafrans remain in Nigeria or even join Cameroon. We just want to be left alone to chart our future. Oil politics ( which all these agitations is based) has fragmented and disrupted the social economic wellbeing of my people ( not to talk of physical).
Most of you people complaints is greater share of power and national cake, is presidency, more states, federal presence, etc. It is never about the socio economic development of the people.

To you, give me 5 reasons to have faith in Nigeria or to remain a Nigerian.

1. It cannot be done peacefully, meaning there will be a devastating war which will have huge consequences in terms of lives and infrastructure. ( look at Syria and Libya)
2. It will have the animal farm effect. The new leaders in Biafra will not be different from the old leaders in Nigeria. The agitators of Biafra have not shown any new ideas or tendencies different from the normal Nigerian character.
3. Even if it somehow succeed, there will be protracted border war with Nigeria as both sides will lay claims to border areas of Benue, Delta, Rivers and cross rivers. Remember kasmir. My warri might even be caught in the cross fire.
4. Foreign powers like Russia, US, China, France, etc, would cash in to take advantage of our vulnerable state. Each power would support different regions, thereby giving us less sovereignty overseas our economy and affairs.

Have many more points but have to go out now.

XieXie:
nig has never succeeded against BIAFRA in any war. If truly the Biafran dream was conquered, will you be here panicking of the emergence of Biafra?
Try and reason just small, go round any state in Biafra land and tell yourself the truth.
The other war has started already and the Biafran's are already winning psychologicaly. Biafra is thier common identify, they are willing to die for it and it's just their right. Go round and see how strong the Biafran family meeting is in every neighbourhood.
Intimidation has never worked and will never work against the average Igbo man. You buhari govt is simply making everything right for them and the world to agree with their agitation.
Think for once think Mr man.

Living in denial. If Nigeria did not succeed in defeating Biafra, why did you people surrender? Why did Ojukwu run away and Phillip Effiong sign an unconditional surrender letter to Obasanjo?
IPOB is simply a radio propagandist outfit by NK to hoodwink and defraud, ignorant traders and okada riders.

0xtr000r:
Mr Itsekiri, I really feel your eternal pains and miseries as you continue to wail and gnash your dirty teeth on NL at the mere thought of NK, IPOB or Biaf...

Mr Igbo, who is sounding pained and miserable between the two of us. You are so pained when people you want to forcefully drag into your biafran dream land reject you. An itsekiri will not waste a single thought on NK, IPOB or Biafra.

I quite understand that the earnest desires of you and your hopeless generation is to have the Great Igbo Nation to continue to subsidise your vassalage, cluelessness and obliviousness in this expired entity. Take heart.

Please can you tell us how the Igbo's subsidize itsekiris? What has the itsekiris gained from Igbos? Or are you speaking in irony? It is we that subsidizes your sorry ass. If we shut down all our oil wells, you will die of starvation.

It has been sounded loud and clear for even the deaf and dumb to understand that Igbos don't need you and all you ever stand for in life and hereafter.

Face OduaArewanistan republic or MOSUNDI where you're needed.

Mosundi Demands Niger Delta Peoples Republic:https://www.nairaland.com/2355622/mosundi-demands-niger-delta-peoples

Then stop mentioning the itsekiris in your fabled Biafra, stop including warri in your map of Biafra, it is an insult to the people of warri.
If we want to join OduaArewanistan or MOSUNDI, I do not see how that is your headache.

xelly:
It is better to say 'I WILL NOT' than to say "IMO will not" who are you in Imo state? If by referendum votes are cast, you don't have a choice. You may probably seek citizenship elsewhere.

You can do questionnaire and share it among people in IMO state as your research and see if they will vote to stay put in Biafra or Nigeria. I can't help you further.

When you people include non - Igbos in your fabled Biafra, do you explain that it is soley your ideas. If Asari Dokubo says he supports Biafra, you IPOB youths do not see it as a personal opinion but the opinion of all Ijaws and indeed the views of the whole SS. If just one calabar man joins IPOB inspired protest, you say the whole of the SS support IPOB. But if Orji Kalu says he does not support Biafra, you guys says he can only speak for himself, if Obi of Onitsha says he does not support Biafra, you people will say he does not represent his people and only speaking for himself. To IPOB, only them can speak for the entire Igbo tribe and the whole SS inclusive, no other Igbo can speak for the Igbo people.

Does this disadvantage apply only to women or also applies to men?

KingEbukaNaija:
Meaningless ? The doctors' jargon is meaningless to a carpenter . The astronomers' jargon is meaningless to a painter .

Wrong analogy. A carpenter can understand doctor's if he is interested. Ditto for a painter and an astronomer. But on religious issues it is not a matter of understanding, it is a matter of faith. I have to have faith that a god can exist outside time and space, not understanding.
In digression, if I were to the a theist, I would prefer to be a polytheist. It makes far more sense than monotheism. If one entity or consciousness can exist outside space and time, why not 2 or 1000. Why would the process that produce one God not able to produce multiple? Remember there had been thousands of Gods throughout man's history. It could be that each of these gods chose a particular people to God over. So there should be either no God at all or there are multiple gods.

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Gosh ! You guys excoriate religious people when it appears that science contradicts religious texts but when science impugns your atheistic beliefs you still remain intransigent that the universe is eternal ? Unbelievable !

An eternal universe is illogical and unscientific !!

Please explain how an eternal God is scientific and logical.

KingEbukaNaija:
Lol wirinet

You have been a proponent of an nonexistent eternal universe . The universe CANNOT be eternal . It has a cause and a beginning and this means it has a creator . Or what else do you think it suggests ?

Why do you think you atheists wish the universe were eternal ? Because it would mean that no creator exists .

Even the universe could have not been born in a black hole because the problem of infinite universe which is not realistic will arise .

You on the other hand have been a proponent of an nonexistent eternal god . A GOD or GODS CANNOT be eternal . It must have a cause and a beginning. The argument that a God is outside space and time is meaningless.

To me the universe was, is and always be. To me the big bang does not represent the universe, but a phase of our own universe. If the universe is everything in existence, there is no way anyone can know everything that can exist. But some people including scientists see the universe as everything we can see.

Seun:
The moral teachings of Jesus are not that great, frankly. Most of them were badly thought through, while he didn't talk about many things which he should have talked about. For example, he didn't denounced the practice of slavery. He didn't denounce domestic abuse or accept it as a legitimate reason for divorce. He didn't agitate for gender equality and was arguably sexist himself: of the many women who were following him about and caring for him, none of them was ever appointed as an apostle. He preached pacifism to the point of stupidity in passages that most Christians wisely ignore. He thought financial planning was a sign of not having faith in God, because God provides for the birds (in reality, most of them die of starvation, disease, and predation, but Jesus didn't know that). You can develop a much better moral system by yourself!

Oga seun, you are just attempting to use a basket to fetch gas by attempting to discus the character of Jesus. Jesus is a very nebulous character created by the roman empire. This character was a mosaic of roman - Jewish - Egyptian and Persian mythologise. Even most of the characters surrounding jesus bears latin names and not Jewish. Even the title Jesus Christus is a roman name and title.
Jesus never wrote or even actually said anything, if you read the new testament, all of Jesus's speeches are hearsay. It is almost always preceded by "he said" as someone narrating a story of what some character said.

KingEbukaNaija:
Pantheism was developed out of ignorance . It sees the universe as God . And the fact that science lets us understand that the universe has a creator confutes Pantheism . Because it shows that there is a transcendent realm therefore the universe is not God .

Pandeism tried circumventing the problem of the universe's beginning , so it avers that God ceased existing as a separate conscious being and now exists as the universe .

The bolded is a fallacy. No branch of science has any provision for any god. Scientists start their enquiries and research from available data and observations without putting putting any god into their equation. Any unknown is simply regarded as such - unknown and not attributed to any god or gods.

jamace:
This is a period when the need to look inward and patronise our own products is loudest. Therefore, I expect all our "big men" and "leaders" to show good example.

Yes this is a period for you and me to look inwards and patronize our own products, but this does not apply to big men. The Nigerian political and business elites have stashed away enough dollars in foreign banks (and even Nigerian banks) to last a life time. So they are not affected by the dollar-naira exchange rate like you and me. Did the former first lady not explain to us that the $15 million found in her accounts were for her medical bills?

jamace:
So he cannot patronise Nigeria hospital? Later he will come to tell us how much he loves Nigeria.

Kwantinue to deceive yaself. Wise Nigerians know the truth.

So it is now a crime to patronize foreign hospitals? In that case all Nigerian politicians (including Jonathan and his family) is guilty of this crime. Even you people's hero Godswill Akpabio, who had a slight accident last year was flown abroad instead of patronizing the multi-billion naira hospital he built.
Most rich men in Nigeria are also guilty of this crime because most of them travel abroad not just for treatment but for even check ups.

HungerBAD:
Interesting.

Very interesting indeed.

Some said he is well,but he was flown out in an Air Ambulance because he has malaria?this tells you where we are today as a nation.

When I hear people call Dangote, or even Forbes calling him the richest African,I just laugh. When I hear the likes of Alakija's or the noise maker,Emeka Offor shout about their wealth,I smile.

This is one man that has for decades been killing Nigeria,and looting us blindly to the ground,and he does it very silently.

Danjuma has more Oil Wells than any Nigerian dead or alive. I know I am guilty of shouting Jonathan's name always,but this is a man past and present Governments should have tried to collect our commonwealth from.

Danjuma is the definition of an untouchable Nigerian.

And after pillaging our funds that could have been used to develop our hospitals,he was Airlifted in an Air Ambulance to get treated for common malaria overseas.

Devil will punish all those, that have turned Nigeria's resources into their personal properties.

Can you expatiate further how this man has been killing and looting Nigerians for decades, Was it when he was Chief of army staff or when he was defense minister under OBJ? Even under OBJ"s civilian administration, he was at logger heads with OBJ on the term term issue and OBJ could not accuse him of looting Nigeria. OBJ went after his oil blocks by seizing and reallocating one of them. He took the matter to court to retrieve the oil blocks.

Yes Danjuma is into the oil Business, so also are dozens of other Nigerians (especially people from the WA-ZO-BIA tribe. To make the matter more absurd, foreigners and foreign companies own more oil leasing and mining license than Nigerians as a whole. So i wonder why you guys are only after one person.
If you are so aggrieved write a petition to the police, EFCC or ICPC detailing the alleged crimes of Danjuma.