₦airaland Forum

lonelydora:
Not even oil well, he is also the owner of numerous companies. This is one man I wish the Nigerian government can arrest . But he has shown that he is really untouchable, and still enters Aso rock at will to make decisions for our country.

Arrest him for what exactly? Is there any petition on him concerning allege crimes he is suspected to have committed? Had any investigative body in Nigeria's history every investigated T Y Danjuma for any alleged crimes? Has any Nigerian dead or alive ever accused T Y Danjuma of any crime?
I am yet to understand the hatred a certain group of Nigerians have for this man.

jonbellion:
I don't think I've ever explicitly said gods don't exist

God explicitly does not exist. God is a meaningless term, only assigned meaning by the people that created the god. That is why god had been a caring female, a vengeful and war like king, a saviour from political and spiritual bondage, the sun, various animals, etc. People also infuse their created concepts of God with magical powers like creation, healing, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,omni everything.

Brown47:
and somehow man has just 4 percent knowledge of the universe and thinks its sufficient to conjure up a god idea to fill in his ignorance.

That is the problem I have with you theist, you just conjure up a belief entirely based on ignorance and without any base in reality and then arrogantly spread that ignorance as knowledge.
Who told you we have 4% knowledge of the entire universe? We do not even know the extent of the universe before knowing any percentage of it. Maybe we have knowledge of 4% of the space around our bubble centred around us. We can only see about 15 billion lightyears in every direction. Outside that 15billion light years, no body knows.

It was not Ambode that cancelled the monthly environmental sanitation exercise, it was the courts. The appeal court earlier this month declared the forced sanitation illegal and against the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free movement. This was after Fashola lost the same case at the high court a few years ago. It would have been foolish for Ambode to challenge the appeal court's decision at the supreme court.

The Appeal Court in Lagos has nullified the monthly environmental sanitation in Lagos State, saying it is illegal and ordered the Lagos State Government not to restrict people’s movement on that day.

The court which delivered its judgment at the weekend banned the state government from further restricting anyone’s movement within Lagos State at any time or day whatsoever on the basis of environmental sanitation as there is no written law to that effect.
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2016/11/08/no-more-environmental-sanitation-in-lagos-appeal-court-orders/

You cannot place restrictions on citizens because you want them to sweep and clean gutters in one day of the month, just like you cannot impose on citizens when to take a bath. You can only enact laws to punish citizens who litter their surroundings or dwell in filthy surroundings.

It was not Ambode that cancelled the monthly environmental sanitation exercise, it was the courts. The appeal court earlier this month declared the forced sanitation illegal and against the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free movement. This was after Fashola lost the same case at the high court a few years ago. It would have been foolish for Ambode to challenge the appeal court's decision at the supreme court.

You cannot place restrictions on citizens because you want them to sweep and clean gutters in one day of the month, just like you cannot impose on citizens when to take a bath. You can only enact laws to punish citizens who litter their surroundings or dwell in filthy surroundings.

Amah70:
You must be out of your senses.

How many barrels of crude oil have the militants limited you to take these days?

You are drawing the map of Biafra to make you further colonize the southsouth. Do you think you are capable?

Look, even if the south south elect not join Biafra, you cannot keep the south south in your New Nigeria to be surely ruled by Islamic Mullahs from the southwest and northern Nigeria.
The environmental devastation from oil exploitation in the Nigerdelta is a forerunner to the gully erosionyou show in the southeast.
Even with the Igbo still in Nigeria with the southsouth, Nigeria has devastated the Nigerdelta environment. So you need to develop sense.

You guys just make noise without any substance. It is people without a drop of oil that makes the loudest noise about others stealing their oil. Have you ever heard people who actually have crude oil on their land making noise about oil? Have you heard itsekiris, ijaws or other oil communities boasting about oil? The oil in my community is more than the total oil in the south east but you will not hear me boasting about our oil.
It seems IPOB are ready to die for Niger delta oil, they cannot make 2 statements without talking about " our", which is actually Niger delta oil.
Instead of you to worry about the devastation of your environment because of climate change, you are always dreaming about Niger Delta oil.

Kalatium:
Well known cases of fraud include the Piltdown man hoax, an obvious fraud that was not exposed for 40 years ; and more recently , the Korean scientist Hwang Woo-suk , who falsified data relating to his embryonic stem cell/ cloning research;13 as well as a series of papers on superconductivity by Jan Hendrik Schön published in Nature from 2000 to 2001 period , but had to be retracted in 2003 because they contained falsified data and other scientific fraud.

Of particular interest is the recently exposed fraudulent activities of German anthropologist Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten . For thirty years , Protsch systematically falsified the dates on numerous ‘stone age ’ relics . According to experts, his deceptions may mean an entire tranche of the history of man' s development will have to be rewritten . Thomas Terberger , the archaeologist who discovered the hoax, stated : ‘Anthropology is going to have to completely revise its picture of modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 years ago .’ An inquiry established that Protsch had passed off fake fossils as real ones and had plagiarised other scientists ’ work. It was established that one of his more sensational finds, ‘ and Binshof-Speyer ’ woman, lived in 1,300 bc rather than 21,300 years ago , as he had claimed and his ‘Paderborn- Sande man’ discovery (dated at 27 ,400 bc) only died a couple of hundred years ago , in 1750 . The inquiry was told that an important Hamburg Neandertal skull fragment believed to be from the world ’s oldest German , was actually a mere 7,500 years old , according to Oxford University ’s radiocarbon dating unit . The unit established that a number of other skulls had also been wrongly dated .15 Frankfurt University’ s president, Rudolf Steinberg , apologised for the university ’s failure to curb Protsch’s habitual misconduct over many decades , admitting that ‘[ a] lot of people looked the other way .’
This evidence still convince me that there is likelihood we are still deceived today just to provide enough evidence for evolution . Am not saying evolution is totally wrong but am questioning it's integrity, sometimes we are misled.

If u want to read more about the fraud visit http://skepdic.com/protsch.html

The link you posted did not in any way question the validity of evolution, it only revealed the fraudulent activities of one scientist - Reiner Rudolph Robert Protsch, who is known to have committed numerous crimes. The article did not even question the validity of evolution theory, Prof. Protsch tried to prove (fraudulently) that Homo Neanderthalis and Homo Sapiens lived at the same time, intermingled and even inter-bred. This theory had been contentious for a very long time and even rejected by many scientists.

You say the whole theory of evolution is false because few scientists out of thousands faked their data, especially on the evolutionary path of one specie - Man. So if other thousands of research in numerous disciplines is not evidence enough to convince you on the veracity and validity of evolution, what alternative theory do you have on the origin of species?

Proudlyngwa:
What is the essence of living.
If all leads to death without any reward or punishment, why don't I just end it now( note I have no intention of ending it now) .
Why do I have to bring kids into this world if the end product is be born, eat sleep, grow, work ,reproduce, grow old and die.
What really is the essence of living.

Please let this be from a logical point, not a religious point.

So you need promise of reward or punishment for you to continue living? So tell me what is this promised reward that keeps you from ending your life. What if this promised reward is not attractive to others, for example, i do not find the promise of christian heaven enticing. I find no pleasure in praise worship, I can't imagine myself clapping and jumping and shouting in euphoria in praise of anything. I used to enjoy loud disco music and dance when i was younger, but i do not any longer. I am not interested in gold or mansions of gold. I just want somewhere comfortable i can rest, sleep and play with my family.

What else do you want from life outside eat sleep, grow, work ,reproduce, grow old and die? Oh! you want to live forever. Why would you want to live forever? Well nothing and i mean nothing will live or exist for ever.

Amah70:
Much of southeast no longer depend on beef but depend on pork meat.

In Biafra , beef and milk shall be gathered through modern method of private cattle ranch.

Methinks , oil producing areas of the southsouth is reason why rest of Nigeria clutches onto one Nigeria.

Biafra shall let you have those oil producing areas of the southsouth if the southsouth groups want to join rest of Nigeria without Biafra.

Proposed Biafra (Igbo South East only) will suffer the devastating effects of climate change namely soil and gully erosion. You guys would definitely need to also migrate to other areas with less ecological problems.

The problem of Nigeria as a whole and our eastern brothers in particular is that they have knee jerk reaction to all national issues, and the governments (state or federal) is not exonerated from this malaise. After the initial knee jerk reaction, every thing returns to normal until the next problem. So we end up with a cycle of the same problems and the same reactions over and over again for decades.

RIP to the dead, but Fulani herdsmen menace did not start today and this Spenserian was not the first person killed by Fulani herdsmen and will definitely not be the last. We have been having this Fulani herdsmen menace for decades but the problem has been exasperated recently because of the increasing rate of climate change. Yes, Fulani herdsmen and terrorism as a whole cannot be divorced from increasing desertification in the north as a result of climate change.

Nigerian seems to be experiencing the highest rate of deforestation and consequently a very high rate of desert encroachment;

Reports say that Nigeria loses at least 35,000 hectares of its arable land annually to desert encroachment in the north. This is comparable to the size of Lagos State, Nigeria’s economic capital and its most populous region. According to Alhaji Garba Sale, the Director of Forestry and Ecology in Kano State, one major consequence of northern desert encroachment is the massive migration of the people due to the loss of farmlands, a situation that puts pressure on food production in the country.

“The major socio-economic impact of desert encroachment is the loss of farmlands. Immediately following that is migration syndrome because once the local population loses their farmlands, the alternative option for them is to relocate and unfortunately they relocate to urban areas,” said Sale. “By moving to the cities, we are creating more mouths to be fed while farm produce is reduced. This is a big problem. No nation can survive if this is allowed to go on.”

Along the border with the Niger Republic, farmers complain that crop yields have reduced by as much as 80%. Farm lands which used to produce over ten bundles of millet now can barely produce two due to ravaging deserts that are leaving a trail of poverty in their path.
- https://climate.earthjournalism.net/2015/12/11/encroaching-desert-fuels-conflict-in-northern-nigeria/

Fulani herdsmen who rely on green vegetation to sustain their livestock and thereby their livelihood has to continually migrate southwards. In the course of their migrating south, the old age conflict between settled farmers and migrating nomads is certain to happen, resulting in devastation of farms, properties and lives.

Conflict over dwindling land resources has also fueled violence between farmers and nomadic herdsmen, reportedly claiming hundreds of lives over the last five years and mounting economic losses. The group known as the Fulani herdsmen has been accused of raping women, destroying farmlands and inducing inter-ethnic violence as they move from state to state in search of viable grazing land for their flock.

But experts say that herders have long been neglected by federal development programs that favor agrarian farmers. “There is a National Policy on Livestock Agriculture, but that is hardly implemented,” said Mallam Ahmed Bello, a top official with the Confederation of Traditional Herder Organizations in West Africa. Traditional grazing routes, he says, have been overtaken by farmers who use the land for cultivation or information irrigation areas during the dry season. “The herdsmen are aware of the grazing corridors and they know their routes,” he said, “but when these routes are encroached on, we have conflicts.”

Statistics from the Federal Ministry of Agriculture show that more than half of Nigeria’s national grazing routes have been encroached upon. Actions that have sparked “a call to war,” according to Saidu Bala, a herder from Plateau state. “What do you expect from us when our source of existence is threatened?” he asked. “We have no option but to fight back.”

The Islamist insurgency in parts of northern Nigeria has also been linked to the advancing desert. Locals say that Boko Haram militants hide behind the instability caused by poverty and unemployment, and use hopelessness as a recruitment tool.
https://climate.earthjournalism.net/2015/12/11/encroaching-desert-fuels-conflict-in-northern-nigeria/

The FG has to be proactive in first tackling climate change and the effect of climate change on farmers (both Farmers and animal rearers). Even if the south easterners have their Biafra, it will not stop Fulani Herdsmen encroaching, unless they are ready to build a Donald Trump like wall. Most of the Fulani herdsmen causing problem in Nigeria migrated from desert countries like Niger, Mali and even Mauritania.

Decryptor:
Have you ever heard of any terrorist shout "Praise the Lord!" before blowing himself up?

Who said anything about terrorists? Except you are insinuating that over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world are all terrorists.

KingEbukasBlog:
If it were an atheist child speaking against religious beliefs , trust me , Richard Dawkins will overtly adulate the child and the atheist parents .

You atheists need to stop paying attention to that attention -seeker .

But if a 2 year old Muslim girl memorizes and recites the Koran, you guys will scream child abuse.

Observer25:
but paying prostitutes is also a crime

He was not charged for paying prostitutes but for robbery.

This is why Jungle Justice is prevalent in Nigeria, the judiciary is a farce. The police locks a suspect up for months and arraigns the person in court just to satisfy constitutional requirements. The police presents no evidence, no witnesses or even proper charge, but the judge will continue the case and remand the suspect in prison or impose bail conditions.

I want lawyers here to inform us if the police and the prosecution team are not required to present prima facie evidence before the judge before a case can even go to trial. This is the norm in other climes.
The police have the habit of going into the street and picking everybody they see and then label them armed robbers without any evidence.

UyiIredi:
The man was bold. Unlike some atheists here. Toothless e-warriors.

That is where you do not understand the atheist mind set. Atheism is not an ideology to die for, it is a personal thing. There is no reward or acolade for boldness, there is no pride to massage ones ego. That is why most atheist would keep quiet in a religiously charged environment.

Arguing against religious fundamentalists like muslims and pentecostal christians can only be done safely on the internet. It will be foolishness to go to kano and scream in public that Allah does not exist and Muhammed is a fake. You will probably not leave the venue with your head intact.

I honestly do not advice engaging theists in a open argument in public.

Kalatium:
There is no doubt there are inconsistencies in the bible e.g the 4 gospels. But the discrepancies are due to different eye witness accounts. You can't expect 2 eye witness of an accident to tell you the same story. One story will be longer than the other

And which of the writers of the 4 gospels claimed to be eye witnesses?

peacesamuel94:
God has never been on the run, however your perception of Him makes it seem so,
that's why you are desperately trying to twist the scriptures to paint the wrong picture of who God really is.

No one ever said He lived in the mountains, sky, or even outerspace, The Bible recorded that he existed before the creation of the heavens as well as the heavenly bodies.
.....so tell me where was He living before then?

During the exodus Yahweh lived in mount Sinai, that was why moses needed to go up the mountains anytime he wanted to consult with him and when he received the tablets containing the commandments.

Exodus 15 - 18
15 Then Moses went up into the mountain, and a cloud covered the mountain.16Now the glory of the Lord rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day He called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud. 17The sight of the glory of the Lord was like a consuming fire on the top of the mountain in the eyes of the children of Israel. 18So Moses went into the midst of the cloud and went up into the mountain. And Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights

Yahweh like other tribal Gods like Allah, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl etc like in the mountains before men climbed the mountains looking for them.

If you view God as being far away and always on the run he definitely will be.
But it seems this your freethinking of a thing is confined to religion or should I say Christianity alone, You believe there are other planets even when you've not actually seen them except with the aid of telescopes, have you ever wondered if the things your telescope show you are real? .......as long as it sounds scientific then it's true.

You people can turn logic on its head. I see Mars, Jupiter, Venus through a telescope and you still insist i should doubt their existence because i used an optical aid and not my naked eyes. In the same vain, i should not believe all i see because i use glasses. I should also not believe in bacteria or amoeba because i can only see them with the aid of a microscope. Besides, i can see Venus and mercury with my naked eyes.

If you believe science is false, why use things created with the same scientific principles you hate so much? Why watch TV? why surf the internet? why take vaccines? You should reject all things science and remain frozen in first century palestine (jesus's period).

God does not need to appear physically to prove his existence, the world He created is enough, and even if He does people will still doubt. People believe what they choose to believe not what you prove to them.

If your God can appear to thousands of israelites in the mountains to prove his existence, why is afraid to appear to Nigerians physically to prove his existence? If he should give us the same spectacle the purportedly gave the israelites, who will doubt his existence;

Exodus 19
9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.

16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. 17 Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. 18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain[b] trembled violently. 19 As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.

UyiIredi:
We have evidence of fine-tuning given parameters such as the nuclear forces required for the universe to exist. What is the evidence of these infinite probabilities ?

If you are talking about the material universe, only one of those infinie parameter can be fine tune to produce matter. The other infinite parameters would not produce matter but the universe would remain in its infinite energy state.
It is more like life, out of the infinite number of chemical reactions - both organic and inorganic, only one combination is capable of producing the DNA (life), it did not mean infinite other combinations did not take place before the fine tuned one for life.

peacesamuel94:
If water were to be a human invention,then it would be sensible to say that the Inventor of water predated water.
The Inventor of water is not a component of water and is not subject to the processes that lead to the formation of water.

God is not a component of the universe, He did not only predate time but created it, and hence is not subject to it.

If water were a human invention, it would be senseless to believe that the components of water that is hydrogen and oxygen predated the inventor. Your God cannot predate the components of the universe because your God cannot first create the materials for inventing the universe and then the actual universe.

In digressing a little, it seems your God Yahweh is a fugitive from mankind, he is always running when man attempts to find him. When the mountains were his abode, Moses and other mounbtain climbers went looking for him in the mountains, after a brief encounter he ran away from the mountains and relocated to the heavens beyond the mountains and beyond the clouds. When men then buillt a tower at Babel to reach his abode, he got scared and destroyed the tower and scattered their languages, so they cannot attempt to build a tower again. He then ran away and relocated to outerspace. When Yuri Gagarin and other defied earth's gravity and ventured into outer space, Yahweh got scared again and relocated beyond the solar system. Now that NASA has put the Hubble Space Telescope in space that is capaple of seeing beyond the solar system and in fact capable of seeing the edge of space and time, Yahweh has hereby ran away again and relocated beyond space and time.

Na Wa o, why is Yahweh always on the run?

UyiIredi:
Abiogenesis is not scientifically established proven conclusively . However it is widely regarded by scientists as the a possible means through which life came about on earth

Corrected

UyiIredi:
I'm talking about the material aspect not the empty space.

The material aspect is not fine tuned to anything. What we have is infinite possibilities or probabilities, and your so called fine tuning is just one of the possibilities.
The material universe is a very chaotic place.

CoolUsername:
How do you even predate time??

Time started ticking when the Big Bang happened, so why can't the precursor to the Universe also predate time? If that's even possible.

You guys never tire repeating this tautology about you God preceding time. Time is inseparable from space, so time began when space ( the universe) began. Without space there can not be time.
It is like saying water preceded hydrogen, without hydrogen there can never be water.

UyiIredi:
The universe is ordered not chaotic. There is evidence e from fine-tuning about Grand Design and such designer is uncaused.

The universe is a very chaotic place, there are only isolated areas of temporary order which in the end will descend into the general chaos.

Even in your Mesopotamian/ Greek/jewish mythology as encapsulated in the first chapter of Genesis;

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

This signifies chaos

The Jewish god was said to have created order out of the prevailing chaos;\

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear....

Kalatium:
Are you doubting me or what? I can give you their names. I didn't say evolution, I said abiogenesis and even evolution. Don't misquote me.

I am eagerly waiting

Kalatium:
Life From Space? (Panspermia hypothesis)
In an attempt to overcome the issue of racemic amino acids which have plagued every other proposed abiogenetic theory, some evolutionists are now turning to the near-vacuum of space for the left-handed amino acids which they need to make their theories work. Probably because of the medium in which this theory operates (space, with all its mystery), this line of investigation has been the subject of more attention from the popular media than many of the other abiogenetic theories. This results, unfortunately, in the non-scientist being presented with enthusiastic claims of evolutionary success which have little basis in reality, and the science presented in these accounts is often imprecisely stated and not well-understood by the writers. This article is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
The basic concept behind space-initiated abiogenesis lies in the production of amino-acids through the action of solar or other space-borne energy upon chemical precursors in a variety of media, such as comets, nebular gas clouds, asteroids, etc. The twist, though, is that evolutionists believe they have found the answer to the chirality problem, in that they have found what they interpret to be indicators that amino acids produced in space can have a preference for left-handedness, which were then subsequently transported to earth and formed the building blocks of life (proteins).
Scientists first discovered the presence of amino acids in the Sagittarius B2 molecular cloud, which is located in a star-forming region, in 1994. This indicates that starlight from the protostars may be providing the energy needed to cause precursor molecules to react and form these amino acids (though, notably, only the achiral glycine was discovered in the cloud). Bernstein et. al. experimentally replicated the conditions thought to be present in these interstellar clouds, and produced four amino acids 12. That is all well and good, but does nothing to answer the question of chiral bias. For this, most evolutionists researching in this field turn to the action of circular polarised light (polarised light in which the plane of polarisation is constantly changing). The polarisation of light does not have a direct effect upon the handedness of molecules (i.e. we cannot predict from the absolute stereochemical configuration of a molecule the polarisation of light which it will absorb). However, the polarisation can have an indirect effect on the results of reactions which occur in its presence and the products generated. This is because both enantiomers of a species will absorb polarised light with different planes of polarisation (e.g. the right-handed enantiomer may have peak absorbance at +17.5º while the left-handed peaks at -8.3º).
As noted above (and which was a condition detrimental to proposed reducing atmosphere schemes), ultraviolet light degrades amino acids through photolysis. When circularly polarised light of the right polarisation is absorbed by the amino acids formed by reaction, right-handed amino acids are preferentially degraded, which results in an enrichment of left-handed amino acids (which are not destroyed as readily) in resultant mix. It is from this that evolutionists theorise that the original preference for left-handed amino acids was generated and subsequently transported to earth, from the initial destruction of right-handed amino acids, leaving no competition for the laevorotary molecules in the development of life. Hough et. al. discovered that infrared light emanating from the Orion Nebula is circularly polarised 13, likely by the action of interstellar dust acting as a polarising grate. This discovery all but confirmed in the minds of many evolutionists the truth of the amino acids from space theory.
However, there are several fundamental problems with this theory, as well. While it is true that light with the right polarisation can somewhat selectively destroy dextrorotary amino acids, we need to remember that the light in the Orion Nebula was found to be circularly polarised, which means that light of all polarisations would interact with any potential amino acids. For polarised light to be enantioselective, it must fall within a narrow band of polarisations 14. For the broad band of polarisations present in the Orion light (and presumably, other interstellar polarised light sources), the enantioselectivity would be largely negated, which means there would be little to no preferential selection for left-handed amino acids. This problem is enhanced by the fact that even given the presentation of the right polarised light to degrade one enantiomer, the other is also still degraded to a certain (though lesser) extent. In point of fact, experimentation has demonstrated the practical impossibility of relying upon circularly polarised light to yield enantiomeric selection anywhere near what evolutionists need to make a strong case for their arguments. Kagan et. al attempted to prepare optically pure camphor using circularly polarised light, starting with a racemic mix 15. Their results showed that even by the time they had 35.5% optical purity, they had lost over 99.99% of their total material. To achieve optical purity through the means of circularly polarised light is a practical impossibility.
Further, the whole theory rests on a series of mental leaps which are not well substantiated. Though the Orion Nebula emitted polarised infrared light, the Hough team did not report the presence of polarised ultraviolet light (though it was assumed to be there as well). Further, there is no evidence that amino acids exist in the Orion Nebula, nor is there any evidence that the amino-acid bearing cloud in Sagittarius is illuminated with polarised ultraviolet light. Essentially, the evolutionists are stringing together a fact from one experiment together with an essentially unrelated fact from another experiment, and trying to bridge the gap with wishful thinking.
From this, plus the aforementioned experimental impossibility of resolving the needed optically pure molecules, one would think this theory would be put to bed like the rest. Yet, evolutionists received another injection of enthusiasm for this theory from the discovery of amino acids in the Murchison meteorite, which had a slight excess of left-handed amino acids which was first reported by Silfer et al. 16. However, while the presence of some of the amino acids in the Murchison meteorite may be due to the production of these chemicals in space, the enantiomeric excess of left-handed amino acids is likely due to contamination with terrestial biotic matter (remember, it was a meteorite after all, and would have jumbled about quite a lot of lifeforms, especially microscopic, when it slammed into the earth's surface). This rebuttal to the claims for Murchison is strengthened by Bada's observation that amino acids which are not found in terrestrial proteins, including alpha-dialkyl amino acids such as isovaline, were found as racemates in the meteorite 17. Thus, the only amino acids present in the Murchison meteorite for which we could be sure there was no contamination with additional earthly amino acids turned out to be present in racemic mixtures. This strongly suggests that Murchison's left-handed excess for life-necessary amino acids was the result of the injection of earth amino acids, and thus, that the left-handed enantiomeric excesses observed were not extraterrestrial in origin. Once again, evolutionist enthusiasm is dampened by the evident facts.

All this your copy and paste falls on a wrong premise; That Abiogenesis equals evolution. Many people on this forum have tried again and again to explain to you that Abiogenesis is quite a different theory from Evolution, but you seemed unabale to process that info. Charles Darwin in this book "the origin of species" never mentioned abiogenesis. You are so obsessed with equating Abiogenesis with evolution, because in a warp way, you think debunking current theory on abiogenesis means debunking the much hated evolutionary theory.

There are different speculations on how life was kick started on earth, but there is only one universally accepted theory of evolution.

Kalatium:
Some atheist and scientists thought only religious affiliates oppose evolution since it seems to threaten their religion. There are many renowned scientists that reject abiogenesis and even evolution.

Please give us the names of a renown scientist that have rejected evolution.

promise10:
pained?? I am sorry bro, I am happy.

you know why? atheism has existed thousands of years before Christianity, yet it is still having 2-5% of the world up till today. or should I tell you the real world population of people who believe in my Jewish tribal God?

so why should I be pained? I am yet to Know.

yes, but when you hit us with arguments, we still maintain our position. unlike atheists who would run go hide under agnostic. now, figure out who is coward here.


breaking news!
hopefulLandlord has taken down the topic of the thread I debated him on many months ago. and do you know why? He is a coward. that's the way atheists roll.

Atheism actually started in the hellenistic period, when Greek intellectuals started questioning the existence of the Greek gods. Prior to that almost every culture believed gods were responsible for all natural phenomena, so much so that every natural phenomena and celestial objects were attributed to different gods.

For the fact that close to 5% of the world population today are atheists seems extraordinary. People are becoming atheist without any threats, persuations or evangelism. Most of the people turning to atheists were previously theist who on their own discovered the deceit and lies of theism.

You seem to be hiding under the security of numbers. The fact that about 30% of the world population believes in your Jewish tribal god does not mean jack. The Jewish tribal god is a very violent god, and its adherents had been spreading its beliefs through threats, violence and intimidation for over 2000 years. Its rival Arabic tribal god (Islam), which started about 600 years later and also using the same methods of violence and intimidation has gathered up to 1.6 billion adherrents (22%) of the real world population.

promise10:
can you stop dodging?

you guys will just come out as atheists, when hit you guys so hard in arguments you resort to becoming agnostic. COWARDS!!

You seemed pained that people reject your Jewish tribal god.

Everyone knows that the core of atheism is NATURALISM, where everything is believed to have come through natural processes. so, what's your Point?

And the core of theism is what, SUPERNATURALISM? Where everything I'd believed to come through supernatural processes.

Kalatium:
After arguing about evolution I decided to write here about the theory of abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis simply means formation of life from non life. This theory is used in explaining the origin of life. But there are problems with this theory.
1. There is no evidence of life emerging from non life: It is not possible for life to emerge from non life (organic). About 2000 years ago, Aristotle brought a similar theory known as spontaneous generation. That micro organisms could grow from non living . This theory was believed for almost 2000yrs which have truly hampered the development of science for years. Until Louis Pasteur debunked the theory, positing that life come from life (biogenesis)

2. Abiogenesis and Biogenesis cannot both be correct. There is enough evidence for biogenesis but no scientific evidence for abiogenesis, it is a mere speculation.

3. Evidence from chemistry and biochemistry : In chemistry and biochemistry there is no evidence for bio molecules(proteins, CHO) coming together to form a cell or complex biological structures.

The site you are copying and pasting from are being very dishonest. Abiogenesis does not state that micro organism could grow out of non organic matter, that is the theory of spontaneous generation. There is a difference between abiogenesis and spontaneous generation.
Louis Pasteur was only able to prove that complex living things can only come other living things through reproduction, he never delved into how life first started on earth. He simply proved that maggots were not created by the bread they came out of.

Whatever side of the fence you stand, you must accept abiogenesis, either you accept that simple inorganic compounds combined to make the first simple organic compounds which went on to combine to make the first simple life ( RNA and DNA) or you believe that simple inorganic clay was magically turned into complex organic life form ( man). The original materials were organic.

Kalatium:
Not clear, but evidence shows that the earth and the human body has Thesame composition

Abeg explain.

DoctorAlien:
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Off the point.

And, please, pretend to be civil, if you would quote me.

I promise never to quote you again, sorry for trying to discus science with you. I get annoyed and emotional when someone try to pass their religious dogma as science.
I feel that the only way future generations can escape the poverty and sufferings inherent in African societies is for our children and youth to embrace science and technology not more religious dogma.
So I arrest my case.

DoctorAlien:
You have made no point. Instead you committed the ad hominem fallacy.

Again, prove that the post I quoted happened exactly as you said it.

What is the ad hominem fallacy here , it is apparent you have no idea of elementary geography. Instead of you to enrol back to secondary school ( at least SSS) to learn elementary geography and some sciences, you are asking me to teach you star and planetary formation. You think I have the time to waste.