₦airaland Forum

BondRiv:
Which Truth? People like you should leave Rivers State alone. Agents of chaos. Both parties want peace now.

How can peace be achieved when commisioners supposedly working for a governor are taking instructions from another person?

Fiscus105:
Ijaw that Tinubu pushed out of power in federal as ordinary non state actor, and in which nothing happened. Or which ijaw you are saying?

You guys just make stupendous claims. It was not Tinubu that push Jonathan out of power, but myriad of Nigerians, including many Ijaws and Niger Deltans. Tinubu supported Jonathan in 2011 but supported buhari in 2015. That's just politics. The Ijaws as a people never begrudged Tinubu for it. The igbos begrudge Tinubu, but never the ijaws.

Not even when that same Tinubu now occupied all the executive power.

Executive powers has limits. It does not include the threatening of a sitting governor.

You guys would just be making urself happy by way of hallucinations.

Let's wait and see. The solution is not yet resolved. Tinubu might still need to exercise that executive power you gave him to remove Fubara from office.

divinitybillz:
At this point, it was good that SIM accepted this agreement. If not no allocation for him and He'd have been impeached. TInuBu runs all arms of government...so he should back off and strike back later.

He could not have been LEGALLY impeached. First, the state assembly which is the only venue constitutionally allowed for such deliberations had been demolished. Secondly, the chief justice of the state, who is to constitute the panel to investigate the governor had resigned. Thirdly, the mace, with is the official symbol of authority is not in the possession of the impeachment group. Finally, there are myriads of court cases that needed to be dispensed with before any such deliberations can commence.

simpleseyi:
It is for the good of all.

The President intervened as a concerned citizen who wants peace. He was publicly begged by the Rivers Elders who are loyal to Fubara to intervene. If he wants to intervene as the President and Commander-in-Chief , he will just declare a State of Emergency, and appoint a Sole Administrator.

If he appoints Wike as the Sole Administrator, the National Assembly will approve it. Anybody wey wan die, make e die, the President has spoken. This was what Wike was working towards, that was why he went to Rivers State to cause himself to be attacked and chaos will start, but Tinubu cautioned Wike to let Fubara be. If not, Nyezom Wike would have returned as the Sole Administrator of Rivers State and INEC will conduct another election which will be won by Wike's new stooge. Una go cry tire

So much ignorance in one post.
Yes Tinubu can declare a state a emergency, but it cannot hold until it is ratified by two third members of the national assembly. How will Tinubu get two third of the national assembly to agree to a state of emergency in Rivers State?

Wike being a party and in fact an instigator of the whole crisis can not be appointed sole administrator of the state. What then happens to his appointment as FCT minister?
Even if all the prerequisites for declaration of a state of emergency is met, it could only be in place for 6 months, after which the actual governor is expected to resume his office. A state of emergency is not a mechanism for removing an elected governor.

payaseriy:
Efcc can't investigate a sitting governor. He has immunity while in office. Tinubu can't do much except orchestrate his impeachment behind the scene using the Rivers state law makers, or he can just use the compromised court of law to remove him.

The issue would have been very messy, and the conflict would have shifted from a fight between Wike and Fubara to between Tinubu and Fubara.
Tinubu and Wike would have won in the short run, but they would have lost out (along with Nigeria as a whole) in the long run. A conflict in the Niger delta would affect oil prices world wide.

simpleseyi:
Once the 26 or 27 Assembly members impeach him, the FG will withdraws
the security agencies from him, what is left is Fubara on the streets. He may even be arrested for imaginary one trillion dollars corruption and flown to Abuja. If you like, you can kill yourselves in Rivers, it won't get to Aso Rock.

If this scenario happens, that might signify the beginning of the end of democracy in Nigeria, if not Nigeria itself. That would have been a direct affront on the constitution. Tinubu would have exercise dictatorial powers outside the constitution. The courts would have been dragged further into the mess, with conficting purchased injunction up and down. The whole of the Niger delta would have been up in flames, as the Ijaws would take the matter as an insult to its tribe.
It's a pity Fubara chickened out, he was not ready to put himself at risk.

Ps. The situation is still not resolved, as I don't see Fubara implementing the 7 items on the so called peace agreement. I don't see him reinstating the resigned commissioners loyal to Wike. There is no way Fubara can work with commissioners who clearly stated they can't take orders from him.
So I expect us to be back to square one within a very short time.

spencekat:
National assembly will endorse it too.Tinubu is not like Obasanjo.

I doubt Tinubu could have gotten two third of the national assembly to endorse a state of emergency in Rivers State.
Currently, there are 12 PDP governors outside Fubara, one NNPP governor and one Labour Party governor. APC has 59 Senators and about 162 House of representatives members out of 360 members.
Even if every member of APC votes to support Tinubu, its still not up to two third.

Sangoamadioha1:
Well that is decision, implementation is another thing entirely.

Why not government subsidize petrol or rice (which is beyond the reach of the common man right now) instead? That would have a greater impact on Nigerians in this festive season than subsidizing those that wants to travel by public transport.

Sangoamadioha1:
They made arrangements with some companies like GIG, Young shall grow, etc.

Abeg which kind arrangement be dat? Sè government go subsidize the other 50% for each passenger? Will the usual corruption the afflict all subsidy regimes not also infected this scheme?

MasterShifu010:
Doing promo on something you don’t own or sell

E shock me me o. Abi Tinubu don slash price of petrol by 50% also?
How Tinubu won determine price of good or services that are privately owned
owned?

Dshocker:
The bill they passed is inconsequential 🤣

Who will sign the bill to make it law?

Biodun556:
Which group is with the Mace?

Are pro Wike group seats actually vacant?


They have the majority. They will impeach the speaker and the governor. Wike will use the federal might to drive the governor out of office and they will enter legal battle for 8 years or more

It's not that easy to remove a governor. Obasanjo tried with with Ladoja, Fayose and that governor in Jos. Jonathan even attempted to impeach Amaechi, it did not work. No governor had ever been impeached successfully in Nigeria, and I doubt Fubara will be the first.
Using federal might against Fubara will be the gravest mistake Tinubu will do, it will completely destroy APC in the whole of the Niger delta.

dettolgel:
If Fubara wrestles power from Wike by the end of his tenure if he tries to interven he should also receives the same treatment as Wike.

Are you aware of how much Wike is asking for from him? These are public funds and should never allowed to be.

Fubara has already wrestled power from Wike, the same way Wike wrestled power from Amaechi and ditto for Amaechi from Odili. The powers of a governor are enormous, only surpassed by the president. Wike feels he can exercise the same powers as a governor with the support of the president. Wike must learn to be a silent partner as godfather. Tinubu was never overbearing on his Godsons he installed as governors. He has falls outs with Fashola and Ambode, but he was able to manage it well. Wike is feeling like God. He feels he can do and undo in Rivers State.

Amumaigwe:
If the picture you just painted is the Nigeria of your dream, you are of all creatures (including animals) the most miserable.

You are just getting unnecessarily emotional. I am talking about reality and you are talking of dreams. In the Nigeria of your dreams, should the Rivers State debacle be happening at all, should a former governor not only hand pick his successor but also hand pick the state legislatures and all members of the cabinet of the governor including personal aids.
In the Nigeria of my dreams, someone like wike is not even qualified to the chief executive of a company, not to talk of a state.

dettolgel:
Would you encourage someone to be loyal to a particular person at the detriment of the communal good or would you rather someone betrays someone for the good of the community?

Have you imagined how well off the majority of the masses would have lived if our political stooges have betrayed their bosses that are holding this nation down?

Isn't it God and country first?

Believe me the fight is not about communal good, it about the quest for power (Game of thrones). Fubara wants to establish his own political base and structure, and not remain under the wings of Wike.

KELLSNELLY:
You've already said it, the only person's case in court is Tonye Cole's case. And to the best of my knowledge if the Supreme court rules against Sim Fubara then automatically Tonye Cole becomes Governor, and we know he's not in Wike's camp. So either way it's a Loose Loose scenario for Wike.

Wike and Tinubu might prefer that option than allow Fubara remain governor. That's why I mentioned the Ngige example. Obasanjo and Chris Uba readily lost the Governorship to APGA in order to remove Ngige.

Kukutente23:
The number of ignorant people is becoming alarming. Who among all the people you mentioned are part of the case. Only APC took PDP to court in Rivers.
Worst they can do is declare a rerun while disqualifying fubara and even that does not give Wike any chance since PDP won't be allowed to field a candidate and he's no longer popular enough to do any shenanigans

If the Supreme Court orders a rerun and disqualify Fubara, then PDP cannot present another candidate.

TruthsFM:
on what ground? You aren’t even from Rivers State? Fubara will win in the Supreme Court of justice. Infact Tonye Cole of APC has aligned with governor Fubara of f rivers State in dealing with the clueless Empty chest beater Wike. And let me tell you here, Tonye Cole of APC cases was dismissed in the tribunal and Appeal court of justice, his case will be dismissed for lacking merit in the Supreme Court of justice too. Governor Fubara has hit the ground running already.

I doubt Fubara will win at the supreme court. I see a replay of the Ngige - Uba saga here. PDP opted to lose Anambra State in order to remove Ngige. (A grave mistake in my view, because till today PDP has not been able to win back Anambra).
The Chief Justice of Nigeria and Supreme Court justices are the pocket of the president, and the president is on Wike's side. Obviously, the supreme court will align with the president. The only problem now is who will Tinubu and the supreme hand rivers state over to. Will they make the APC candidate Tonye Cole the governor in order to spite Fubara, but Tonye Cole is in Amaechi's camp. Will they hand judgement to Beatrice Itubo, the Labour Party candidate, who is already in talks with Fubura.
Maybe they would look for someone from any of the other smaller parties and reach an agreement to switch over to APC after being made governor by the supreme court.

Blazebond:
It is time the Nigerian government realizes that this foreign companies exiting should be allowed to go and their goods if imported back to Nigeria should be taxed at least a hundred thousand percentage thereby making it unsellable in Nigeria or outrightly banned,go the way of the Chinese,this is what they wanted to try with china in the early 80's,but the Chinese taxed their foods by times ten thousand and nobody imported their goods anymore to china because it was not good for business,don't allow this western thieves to blackmail you into a corner,bite back with full force,deny their goods any import licence and look for their rivals and invite them in with little concessions,make their goods obsolete in your economy,it is the brutal truth .

GlaxoSmithKline stopped making Augmentin antibiotics in Nigeria and the price jumped from N10,000 to N43,000, and this is without the hundred thousand percentage tax you are suggesting. Ventolin inhaler has jumped from N6,000 to N20,000. Are you now suggesting the government ban Augmentin or Ventolin inhaler without adequate replacement? Someone with a life threatening asthmatic attack would be ready to sell his property to buy it matter the cost.

tsdarkside:
what type of lie is that....??
nigeria has amongst the lowest taxation in the world....

False. Nigeria has about the highest taxation in the world for businesses. The hidden part is the unofficial and indirect taxation. To export a product from the interland to the ports. You first pay all sorts of unofficial taxes to all sorts of agencies on the road - Police, FRSC, Customs, quarantine, community tax, local government, etc, then the official ones begin at the ports itself, which in itself is not cheap. Importing nko? Same thing.
Running a normal business nko? You will be inundated with all sorts of agencies - both local and state, demanding one fee or the other. Ordinary mallams that push wheel barrow selling fruits pay agberos and local governments authorities between N500 - N1000 per day. I have not even started on Okada riders, Keke drivers and transporters in general.

tsdarkside:
soo,your solution is to return back to military rule....??

What's your solution then? we cannot continue on this trajectory without the whole thing crashing down on us.

i dont even care sef....

You have to care. Even if you are a japarian, your roots remain here - family, clan and tribe. Even African Americans that was forcefully japaed 400 - 200 years ago are still searching for their roots.

my point is,they are here for the dollars or else they wouldnt care that the economy is not doing that well no more....

This applies to every business. Every business goes into business with the aim of making money (in whatever currency)

btw....they dont earn that much no more in their own countries either today....
dont let them deceive you to subsidies them....
subsidies should only be for local companies only....

I don't understand your point. Even local businesses are folding up due to governments irrational policies. For every foreign business that close shop, a thousand local ones are folding up.

I don't understand what you mean by subsidies? Was the government subsidizing foreign companies or even local ones?

TrumpDonald2:
Dont mind FreeStuffsNG always making noise about foreign investment. Not knowing that at the long run, its of minimal benefit to the country.

We should look for ways to promote local investors and local production.

https://punchng.com/foreign-investors-repatriate-5bn-dividend-cbn/

No country can develop without foreign investment (I am not talking about portfolio investments). China kickstarted its economic recovery with foreign direct investment. The UK economy is feeling the economic impact of EU companies that left as a consequence of brexit.
Foreign direct investments not only brings in badly needed capital, but also bring with it highly needed technology and skills. It is how the government manages the foreign investments that will determine its long term benefits. A proactive government would make sure that the foreign investors transfer technology to the country, and train our people on the technology and skills to take over after a few years or decades. But Nigerian politicians being blind apart from being greedy have no plan or strategy.
China made sure any company that operates in China shares its technology and trains local people. After a few years Chinese starts making those same products.

It's a pity that after more than 60 years of oil exploration and production, Nigeria still depend on foreigners to prospect and mine crude, we still depend on foreigners to repair and maintain refineries build by foreigners 50 years ago. Shame.

tsdarkside:
they only come to nigeria for the dollars....

nothing else....
when we tell una this foreighn companies are doing nigeria no good,una will not listen....

A company have been operating in Nigeria for 3 decades only came to Nigeria because of dollars?
A company that invested in Nigeria at the height of military dictatorship is now after 24 years of civil democracy, and my friend Deepsight would posit that the worst of democracy is better than the best of military dictatorship.
It seems Nigeria attracted more foreign direct investments (not portfolio investments) under military than under democracy.

PZ, Michelin, GlaxoSmithKline, Shell and many other multinational companies left nigeria since the start of this 4th republic.

adefitim:
It will be an injustice if the manufacturing plant is built in Lagos

Lagos is the most investment conductive state in the country. Other state governments are satisfied with the handouts from Abuja. The governments and indigenes of other states feels they are doing investors favours by allowing them invest in their communities, and give unreasonable terms and conditions.

Built2last:
long over due

If Tinubu makes this a reality and ensure the 6 geopolitical zone accross Nigeria.

I will join his supporters.

Lack of power supply is killing dreams and ideas in Nigeria.


The challenge though is that while this company tries to set up.

certain people in certain quarters will insist that if they don't have shares or if their son is not in management. The company can't operate. When Oyibo can't handle corruption. They pack up and go. May this solar company see the light of the day.

Nigeria has no business being in darkness. Me wey dey country where we don't boast of 20 degrees sunlight in a year. I still have solar in my house to support electricity. My Battery is 30 years warranty. solar panel 99 years warranty. Solar will work in Naija if we get it right. Not the solar we buy from China.

To me going Solar should not be our priority right now. We should concentrate more on Gas.

I am talking from the perspective of someone who has been in business for over 20 years and who has been an alternative energy enthusiast.
I have a 4kva solar installation in my office with 12 200 Watts panels. So I know what I am talking about.

First and foremost, we do not have the facilities for manufacturing the main component of solar panels which is the solar cells itself. Solar cells are made of highly refined and doped silicon, very few countries in the world have the equipment and capital to manufacture solar cells. The best we can do is import the components and assemble the parts together, just as we have been doing for cars, phones, computers, etc. I doubt the ones assembled in Nigeria would be cheaper or of better quality than the ones made in China.

Secondly, solar panels are not very effective in Nigeria. During rainy season cloud cover would not enable you to have adequate sunshine hours to fully charge your batteries. During harmattan, dust would cut the amount of power you can extract from the sun by more than half. It's not full harmattan yet and my panels are covered with dust. Of course the rains help in washing the panels, but a few days later it is covered with dust again. Luckily my office is a bungalow, so I bought a ladder and instructed my staff to clime up the roof and wash the panels at least twice a week. Now imagine if it was a multistorey building, you will be at the mercy of the rain.

Thirdly, as I said earlier, a sensible government would invest in gas. Nigeria has more gas than oil. There are huge gas deposits in the east, in the west and of course the Niger delta. Nigeria should not only be energy independent through gas, we should be exporting gas to Europe. There is serious gas shortage in Europe as a consequence of Russia's cutting of its gas supply and the destruction of the nordsteam pipeline. We could have been making billions of dollars exporting to Europe. Instead, we are too lazy to do the work, we just flare the gas into the atmosphere in order to extract the crude.

Now, I am not asking the government to completely abandoned solar energy and even other alternative energy sources, what I am saying is that it should not constitute the main part of our energy mix. That should still be petroleum products including Gas, because that's where we have comparative advantage.

Bliss52:
While you are right

Coast of Lagos and Nigeria coastal states would submerge in few years if something isn't done

We are going to be directly affected

No one is arguing whether we are going to be directly affected by the effects of global warming, it a fact that all cities built on the coast will be affected by raising sea levels. The real question is how much is an underdeveloped and under-industrialized country like Nigeria contributing to global warming , and how much impact can our efforts to reduce pollution make?
Europe and the US has been pumping green house gasses into the atmosphere for over 200 years, China and the rest of Asia has been pumping green house gasses into the atmosphere for over half a decade. We in sub-saharan Africa have not even started pumping gases into the atmosphere, and the world is asking US not to industrialised or to use expensive means of generating the energy needed for industrialisation because of climate change, while China, the US and Europe are still belching CO2 into the atmosphere.

Does it make sense sending 1400 people to attend climate change conference. If 14000 people attend technological conference, I would not mind, if they attend industrial conference, I would be happy, but climate conference? Haha what impact will that make to our immediate needs?

Bliss52:




It's a Conference on climate change and United Nations sent invitation to people who can influence reduction of green house gasses and people that can promote awareness to devastating effect of global warming


PS: Only Government workers are entitled and can collect estacode from CBN as travel allowance no private citizen can get a dime
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Watin concern fish with raincoat? Watin concern Nigeria with global warming? How much green house gasses is Nigeria contributing to global warming? The countries contributing the most to global warming are China, USA, Brazil, Europe and india? But Nigeria with hardly any industries is the country carrying global warning for head like gala.

USA that should be at the forefront of climate change due to their contribution to green house gasses are staying away. Even though China is promoting climate activism for political purposes, they still generate most of their electricity from coal apart from generating massive amount of pollution in their factories.

If na me be president, I go start to use Enugu coal to begin generate electricity.

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Pakute:
Lol, ipob illiterate.

Why not deal with the question instead of ethinc and tribal bashing as usual.
He raised a valid point.
When Tinubu took over, CBN was selling dollars at about N500 to import petrol. When Tinubu removed subsidy price found its actual level at N500/litre. Now CBN has removed itself from dollar sales and price of dollars has doubled, but petrol is still able to retail at btw N600 - N650. How is that possible without subsidy?
Do you agree that Tinubu is still paying subsidy on Petrol in secret without informing Nigerians?

SmartyPants:
My comment is best understood in the context of what I was replying to. I never argued that it was right or wrong - I merely challenged a core premise of that person's argument. That does not necessarily mean the conclusion is wrong, but he has to adjust his workings first.

It is important to comprehend before you argue though I know most nairalanders just love to argue as a form of self-expression.

In any case, even if one were to address your arguments, however off point, the government says they were spending 560 billion monthly on subsidies. Add up all those things you listed there most of which are one-off expenses and they won't reach half of this amount - which is even monthly. We were spending trillions on subsidies annually.

Finally, it is possible for it to be simultaneously true that Nigeria cannot afford subsidies and that the little we have is still mismanaged.

Since you understand the subsidy regime better than me and most Nigerians, can you explain how it worked? What happened to the crude oil swap regime that had been in place for decades before this government stopped it when it came to power?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alqv_4RVBhs?si=UJcILk9qXxoEoRD0

How was it that the NNPC was paying for petrol, paying N160 billion monthly for subsidies and at the same time in a crude oil swap agreement with refineries abroad, whereby NNPC gives them crude and they give us refined petroleum products in return and keep the condensates and other byproducts as payment.

nairalanda1:
Slight correction...Niger does have a refinery...the Soraz refinery, which refines 20000 barrels of crude from a domestic crude oil well.

Thanks for the correction. We can't know all. But then with local refinery, why is petrol selling for over N1000, and is selling for N650 in Nigeria with imported petrol?