₦airaland Forum

obonujoker:
Yeah..


And we celebrate Jesus everyday in our lives room thence especially as He saved many of us from the wrath of God and made us more than conquerors again

Why is your God so wrathful or vengeful?

Mosba:
Only God knows the truth but the story surrounding the birth of Jesus has no place in my Biology textbook.

The only human ever with only 23 chromosomes, where he got the Y chromosome to became male the most interest part of the miracle.

BenevolentD:
Christmas just like most parts of today's Christianity were the invention of Roman Pagans under the King Constantine who was not himself a Christian, in the year 325 CE. Jesus is a Greek name which Yeshua was never known with in his time. Not to mention that St. Paul has not met with him. Today's Bible will easily win the Guiness world record of book of contradictions with thousands of contradictions. The brutal truth is that today's Christianity and today's Bible cannot stand scrutiny. It's sad.

Even though I am a atheist - more agnostic, I like the character of Jesus. He is a humanist, a pacifist and socialist, quite the opposite of the character of Paul, on who Christianity is modeled on. Christianity in fact should be called paulinity as it projects the views of Paul and not Jesus.

Christianity is a mixture of Paul's views, ancient Roman Paganism and Roman political structure.

sirpharrell:
No qualms. Sorry for my own harsh words too.
We can argue and learn from one another.
From you, I have learnt that the letter of defection is not absolute even though I maintain that it is still the most satisfactory evidence of defection.
The two majors things I have posited are:
1. The member losing his seat is never done automatically as the constitution prescribes a process to be followed which you yourself have outlined here
2. There is need to amend those provisions so that we can make it more water tight and reduce this indiscriminate jumping from one party to the other.

I appreciate you and my friend Deepsight, you guys are offering an invaluable service by taking your valuable time to attempt to enlighten Nigerians. Yes, sometimes emotions get the better of us and results in some harsh and unsavory comments, but I am glad ir never degenerates into insults and verbal violence.

Having said that, I believe the problem is not the law. Agreed our constitution is very faulty, but the good, clear and unambiguous aspects are not obeyed, they are abused by those that wield power. The problems are Nigerians, who believe in "might is right" philosophy. Once you wield power, that gives you the privilege of being above the law. Dont you find it strange that an election conducted by INEC would overturned and declared fraudulent, and no one, not one INEC official would be prosecuted. That means the election was rigged by ghosts.

No law is perfect, afterall the British operates an unwritten constitution, it is sincerity on the part of the operators and the people that gives validity and respect to laws.

DeepSight:
The court has been approached and it has declared those seats vacant. This decision stands until overturnd by a higher court.

Nigerians are just too insincere. They don't believe in such things as honour, dignify and doing things right. They only believe in manipulating the system for greed and personal gain. No country can survive with such hobbesian value system.

The case would take years to snake all the way to the supreme court. By then the matter would have become irrelevant.

Kukutente23:
You're the confused and uncoordinated one. The process in the constitution uses the word "shall" which is a mandatory word. It does not say the process is at the whim of the speaker of the House.
The case of YPP you're claiming. I hope you're aware he has only announced his defection on the pages of newspaper. If he announces it on the floor of the House, then the speaker MUST declare his seat vacant. Anything else is an illegality. You're allowed to claim whatever outside but once you do it on the floor, your seat becomes automatically vacant. If the speaker does not declare it so, he's violating the law and YPP can seek redress for that violation in court.
Your problem like most govt defenders is an inability to know the difference between right and wrong in the face of the law simply because of your political inclination.
It's pitiable

What party is Senator Uba today?

sirpharrell:
See how ignorant you are, yet you don't want to cool down and learn.
Senator Ifeanyi Ubah was elected under YPP, not Labour Party.
He has already written a letter to the Senate President which was read in plenary.
Take note of the process. He wrote a letter to the Senate President and the Senate President read the letter in plenary. I hope you understand what plenary means sha.
The Senate President has not yet declared his seat vacant.
Now, if YPP feel aggrieved, they will approach the high court to state that there is no division in their party to warrant the defection.
Normally, the case will get up to the Supreme Court and YPP will most likely win.
That is how it works. No legislator loses his seat AUTOMATICALLY whether the case is controversial or not.

My apologies. I am not a fan of Senator Uba, so I didn't know political party.

You are still confirming the insincerity of the whole Nigerian system and its people. Obviously, Senator Uba is manipulating the system by defecting and still remaining in his seat, against the tenets of the Nigerian constitution. Defecting to the ruling party in power, and the Senate president being his friend, he know that his seat would never be declared vacant by Senator Akpabio. He is also aware that litigating the case all the way to the supreme court will take years if not decades. In normal climes, the case would not get to the supreme court, because the supreme court had made pronouncements (severally) on the subject matter. But this is nigeria, by the time the supreme court make a pronouncement again, the tenor would have been over, and the matter irrelevant.

sirpharrell:
The law is not about emotions.
The only evidence known to the law that a legislator has defected is the letter written by that legislator to the speaker.
Irrespective of any other thing, the only document a speaker can use to declare a seat vacant is the letter of defection written by that member to the speaker.
It's just like when you have been declared the winner of an election into a Constituency, you can not be sworn in until you present the certificate of return.
Even though the whole world knows that you have been declared winner, you can not be sworn in by the clerk unless you present your certificate of return.
Likewise, even though the whole world knows that you have defected, the speaker can not act until he receives a letter from you that you have defected.
I don't know how this is difficult to understand.

That's why I said Nigerians are very insincere people. Even our constitution reflect that insincerity. Of what use is the law, if a person defects by declaration on the floor of the legislative chambers, announce publicly that he/she has defected, received by the new party publicly and obtaining a membership card and begin attending the meeting of the new party, but fails to transmit a letter to the speaker? That means the person has effectively defected while still holding unto his seat.

sirpharrell:
Your problem is lack of comprehension or maybe education. I repeat, for those legislators to lose their seats, the process of declaration of vacancy as enshrined in the construction will have to be followed. They have not lost their seats yet merely because they have defected. Otherwise, Senator Ifeanyi Ubah should have lost his seat too. I am sorry I can not break it down any further fir you. I have tried.

That's why i accuse you guys of insincerity.
According to the law Senator Uba Has lost his seat. You are insinuating that unless Senator Uba writes a letter and takes other actions, he can continue on the seat indefinitely, even if he becomes a card carrying member of APC. So to you all Senator Uba has to do to have his cake and eat it at the same time is not to transmit a letter to the speaker of the house. If so then the law is useless.
Senator Uba's case has gone under the radar, because it was not as controversial as the one of the 27 law makers. Labour Party is yet to complain and make a case of it. The matter is not even in court yet, unlike the 27 law makers.

sirpharrell:
You are even reinforcing what I said. The Supreme Court declared the seats vacant after the speaker refused. Which means it is not AUTOMATIC. There is a process which takes time. Do you know how long it will take for the matter to go from the High Court to the Supreme Court? Most times, the tenure is even expired before the Supreme Court declares the seat vacant. Get this into your head, I have not said that they shouldn't vacate their seats but it is not AUTOMATIC as some lawyers are deceiving ignorant people like you.

This is the problem with Nigerians - insincerity. Laws are rendered ineffective using technicalities and delay tactics. The law on defections was put there to ensure legislators dont take mandate given to one party to another party. Since the constitution recognises that votes belongs to the party and not necessarily to the individual, a party's mandate should belong to the party. The supreme court has always held this position. Now, the 27 legislators have announced on the floor if the assembly thar they have defected, they have been welcomed on live TV to their new party, they have said with their own mouths that there is no going back, and you using technicalities to defend them talking about "AUTOMATIC". OK, what party are the 27 law makers as of today according to you? Are they in PDP, APC or independent? Do you think they can continue to legislate without resolving this issue?

Wike and Tinubu has incurred the wrath of the people of Rivers State, Both elders and youth have come out enmass to condemn Tinubu's handling of the conflict (handing executive powers to wike by making him appoint commissioners controlling the legislative).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5zkOYBMvg?si=n0TSf1DPjyEkt3Ry
Tinubu has exasperated the situation. The people of Rivers would not allow the 27 legislators remain in their seats, while being defectors from PDP and the 4 legislators loyal to the governor cannot perform the duties of the legislative. This jeans Fubara will continue governing without commisioners until the situation is resolved.

Maybe Tinubu will declare a state of emergency as he and his people has been threatening all along and bring in the military. This will exasperate the problem to a whole new level.

theamazonguru:
And part of the script is to demolish a state infrastructure - the state house of assembly.

To know this,you must be a member of the inner caucus.
Weldone sir.

As sad as it is, that's Nigerian politics. Fubara was fighting for his political survival. He needed time to respond to a sudden attack by Wike. He demolished the state House of Assembly to buy time. To rebuild the House of Assembly complex will not be a big deal for a rich state like Rivers. Two or three months of the N4 billion unilaterally removed by Wike from the monthly N10 billion internally generated revenue would be enough to rebuild the complex.

Please note: I do not support the destruction of the Assembly complex by Fubara. In a sane country, that action alone is enough for impeachment and prosecution, but then in a sane country, a so called Godfather and the president cannot conspire to undermine the authority of a sitting governor

coputa:
This government is never proactive.

Proactive ke? Dat one na grammar. Tinubu just announce whatever he thinks in his mind, and his ministers, aids and supporters (including the N30k gang) scramble to look to excuses and justification for the announcement. The use of the word policy is a misnomer. Policy connotes some degree of planning and preparation.

Even after the fuel subsidy announcements, NNPC is still selling Petrol at less than international price (in dollar terms), meaning Nigerians are still paying subsidy on Petrol. The only difference now is that there is no budgetary provisions for it and the amount is hidden.

SoNature:
Oga, stop defending everything indefensible.
These transport companies make lots of money at this time of the year because there's pressure on them.

The FG should have deposited some money with them or have their team refund the passengers 50% of their fares in real time.

Don't tell these companies that they will get their money next year. This is their peak season. They didn't beg the federal government to use their companies for any subsidy palliatives.

Anyways, I just want to believe that this news report is FALSE because GIGM has updated their website, indicating that the FG is refunding 50% of fares.

Deposit ke! in obodo Nigeria. It seems you have not done business in Nigeria before. In normal private transactions once you fail to collect your full cash on transaction, you will never see your money again, not to talk of government.

Me, I collect 100% before supplying any good or service. I don't have power to be begging anyone for my money.

Gboom:
So, if you were in power, will you pay the transport companies upfront without proper records that can be verified?

So if you are a transporter, will you carry passengers upfront without collecting collecting your cash at the park, but expect payment days or even weeks after the journey?

nairalanda1:
It is because you have not lived in a situation where oil prices have really really crashed...like in the 1980's for example.

Few months after Buhari took over in 2015, oil prices crashed to almost $30.

egbetokuns:
You’re 100% on Point. Fubara became their governor overnight. It’s serious.

The same way Tinubu won Rivers State overnight.

BondRiv:
Confused fellow.

There was no coercion and this is straight from the spokesperson of the Rivers State government who is the Commissioner of Information and Communication but you prefer lies and foolish theories.

Ignorance is bliss.

Shebi we will all be alive tomorrow and the coming days, we will all be witnesses to the implementation and workability of this "agreement".

daveP:
Now can the African members get sense and do something smart? Or they still dragging feet?

Why does African countries have to export crude which price they have no control over? Why not export petrol, diesel, kerosene, aviation fuel, paraffin, fertiliser, etc instead? Items you can determine the price you want to sell.

BondRiv:
So where is the conflict? Comprehension seems to be your problem.

The president's spokesman is only speaking of what the president was ready to do, if there was a failure to reach an agreement. Basically a fallback plan and does not mean there was any coercion.

But that is no longer necessary as an agreement has been reached. The implementation of which is in progress.

Do you still want a translation in your native language? This is English language.

Keep fooling yourself. The so called agreement apart from being null and void is not implementable. If Fubara does not follow up on the agreement, what can Tinubu and Wike do? Impeach the governor? Then we are back where we started - perambulator as fela would say.
Fubara had to sign (under duress) no to seem to be disrespectful or confrontational to the president, he knew the agreement was not worth the paper it was written on.

This is an eye witness account of the directive (not agreement of President Tinubu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_pvVjGRBIg?si=QlUQD84xvnL86q7Q

BondRiv:
There is no variance. The resolutions were reached.

This is the variance (assuming you know what variance means);


The Commissioner of Information and Communication in Rivers State was in the meeting with the president and has spoken on this issue. He has stated that there was no coercion and that the resolutions will be implemented.

And
Mr President, was fully ready and equipped to take a very hard action if this resolution was not reached. - Ajuri Ngelale

BondRiv:
Keep crying.

Na you eyes I borrow to cry, or I beg you for water for the cry?
Why e con de pain you like this?

BondRiv:
You know what the Riv in my username stands for?

This why people like you who lack information about a subject should not comment on it.

The Commissioner of Information and Communication in Rivers State was in the meeting with the president and has spoken on this issue. He has stated that there was no coercion and that the resolutions will be implemented.

Now you are informed.

But this is at variance with the submissions of Ajuri Ngelale;

If he sees that peace is breaking down in any part of the country, this is a President that will take action. But nobody should be mistaken, His Excellency, Mr President, was fully ready and equipped to take a very hard action if this resolution was not reached.

BondRiv:
That is not your business. Are you the one that won the election for him?

Don't cry more than the bereaved.

You people can be funny in order to justify evil.
I make it my business as a bona fide Nigerian, one from the Niger delta at that.
Either we thrash the constitution and allow military or any other type of dictatorship, we we follow the constitution that's supposed to bind us together. Governors are not supposed to be houseboys of the president or a Godfather. Ironically, I admire the way Tinubu relates with his godsons, from Fashola, to Ambode to Osinbajo. He did not pass on our constitution in order to control them. Why he is now undermining the constitution now is surprising to me.

BondRiv:
Which Truth? People like you should leave Rivers State alone. Agents of chaos. Both parties want peace now.

How can peace be achieved when commisioners supposedly working for a governor are taking instructions from another person?

Fiscus105:
Ijaw that Tinubu pushed out of power in federal as ordinary non state actor, and in which nothing happened. Or which ijaw you are saying?

You guys just make stupendous claims. It was not Tinubu that push Jonathan out of power, but myriad of Nigerians, including many Ijaws and Niger Deltans. Tinubu supported Jonathan in 2011 but supported buhari in 2015. That's just politics. The Ijaws as a people never begrudged Tinubu for it. The igbos begrudge Tinubu, but never the ijaws.

Not even when that same Tinubu now occupied all the executive power.

Executive powers has limits. It does not include the threatening of a sitting governor.

You guys would just be making urself happy by way of hallucinations.

Let's wait and see. The solution is not yet resolved. Tinubu might still need to exercise that executive power you gave him to remove Fubara from office.

divinitybillz:
At this point, it was good that SIM accepted this agreement. If not no allocation for him and He'd have been impeached. TInuBu runs all arms of government...so he should back off and strike back later.

He could not have been LEGALLY impeached. First, the state assembly which is the only venue constitutionally allowed for such deliberations had been demolished. Secondly, the chief justice of the state, who is to constitute the panel to investigate the governor had resigned. Thirdly, the mace, with is the official symbol of authority is not in the possession of the impeachment group. Finally, there are myriads of court cases that needed to be dispensed with before any such deliberations can commence.

simpleseyi:
It is for the good of all.

The President intervened as a concerned citizen who wants peace. He was publicly begged by the Rivers Elders who are loyal to Fubara to intervene. If he wants to intervene as the President and Commander-in-Chief , he will just declare a State of Emergency, and appoint a Sole Administrator.

If he appoints Wike as the Sole Administrator, the National Assembly will approve it. Anybody wey wan die, make e die, the President has spoken. This was what Wike was working towards, that was why he went to Rivers State to cause himself to be attacked and chaos will start, but Tinubu cautioned Wike to let Fubara be. If not, Nyezom Wike would have returned as the Sole Administrator of Rivers State and INEC will conduct another election which will be won by Wike's new stooge. Una go cry tire

So much ignorance in one post.
Yes Tinubu can declare a state a emergency, but it cannot hold until it is ratified by two third members of the national assembly. How will Tinubu get two third of the national assembly to agree to a state of emergency in Rivers State?

Wike being a party and in fact an instigator of the whole crisis can not be appointed sole administrator of the state. What then happens to his appointment as FCT minister?
Even if all the prerequisites for declaration of a state of emergency is met, it could only be in place for 6 months, after which the actual governor is expected to resume his office. A state of emergency is not a mechanism for removing an elected governor.

payaseriy:
Efcc can't investigate a sitting governor. He has immunity while in office. Tinubu can't do much except orchestrate his impeachment behind the scene using the Rivers state law makers, or he can just use the compromised court of law to remove him.

The issue would have been very messy, and the conflict would have shifted from a fight between Wike and Fubara to between Tinubu and Fubara.
Tinubu and Wike would have won in the short run, but they would have lost out (along with Nigeria as a whole) in the long run. A conflict in the Niger delta would affect oil prices world wide.

simpleseyi:
Once the 26 or 27 Assembly members impeach him, the FG will withdraws
the security agencies from him, what is left is Fubara on the streets. He may even be arrested for imaginary one trillion dollars corruption and flown to Abuja. If you like, you can kill yourselves in Rivers, it won't get to Aso Rock.

If this scenario happens, that might signify the beginning of the end of democracy in Nigeria, if not Nigeria itself. That would have been a direct affront on the constitution. Tinubu would have exercise dictatorial powers outside the constitution. The courts would have been dragged further into the mess, with conficting purchased injunction up and down. The whole of the Niger delta would have been up in flames, as the Ijaws would take the matter as an insult to its tribe.
It's a pity Fubara chickened out, he was not ready to put himself at risk.

Ps. The situation is still not resolved, as I don't see Fubara implementing the 7 items on the so called peace agreement. I don't see him reinstating the resigned commissioners loyal to Wike. There is no way Fubara can work with commissioners who clearly stated they can't take orders from him.
So I expect us to be back to square one within a very short time.

spencekat:
National assembly will endorse it too.Tinubu is not like Obasanjo.

I doubt Tinubu could have gotten two third of the national assembly to endorse a state of emergency in Rivers State.
Currently, there are 12 PDP governors outside Fubara, one NNPP governor and one Labour Party governor. APC has 59 Senators and about 162 House of representatives members out of 360 members.
Even if every member of APC votes to support Tinubu, its still not up to two third.

Sangoamadioha1:
Well that is decision, implementation is another thing entirely.

Why not government subsidize petrol or rice (which is beyond the reach of the common man right now) instead? That would have a greater impact on Nigerians in this festive season than subsidizing those that wants to travel by public transport.