₦airaland Forum

wolesmile:
They won't shout "APC is destroying democracy" now.

But if it were the other way round...

Why did the judges not cancel APC votes and declare PDP winner like the case of Kano Governorship elections tribunal?

abobote:
Instead of sacking him outrightly like in the case of oppositions, they are ordering for re run in few polling units.

Deceiving

That's the inconsistency of Nigerian judiciary. In cases affecting APC where the results of the elections is called to question, the courts calls for a re-run. In reverse cases involving PDP, LP or NNPP, the courts cancels votes and declare APC winner.

Tuaka10:
Obviously what she's saying the truth. Africans have slavery mentality, I mean there are so many opportunities in Africa.

So sad. Its the Chinese, indians and Lebanese that are exploiting those opportunities. Come to Ikorodu, you will find so many companies being run by Chinese, indians and Lebanese, many of them can hardly speak English. The latest news is that Chinese are taking over ogun state as they are buying large swathes of land. Yet the owners of these lands are the ones selling these lands to japa.

Adakintroy:
Am being emotions how? And you practical. The nerve not to call urself a weakling. How are you practical and am not while you encourage weak endeavour like abandoning your country . what then will you do in time so wars. Just natural human striving like struggle. Some of you already immense in million and invest in visa. Is that not stupid. If you have 1million you already beat the huger mark. The rest is hard work self and control and continue improve. Mental slavery will continue as long as blacks cannot not get pass immediate gratifications. You all will keep acting as slaves to the whites while pretending we are equals.

My sister my respect for you just increased 1000 times. I envy your husband - future or present. I honesty don't understand how someone can use millions sometimes up to N5 million to japa to another country to start doing menial jobs. With just 2 - 3 million you can start a viable business here in Nigeria that has growth potentials. I started a mini snack bar for my wife with less than N1million. When business was good, she was making a turnover of 10,000- 20,000 per day. Now snack business has crashed. We are looking at turning it into a pizza bar. Pizza is the latest fad in town.

One of my wife's friends make lots of money by just selling asun at hotels and drink joints. She goes to ketu every weekend to buy goats. Sometimes she buys 3 goats in a week.


Nigerians are just too mentally lazy and avoid taking risks. They want sure bets.

Adakintroy:
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Am not demonizing anyone. You are pro yapa that's all. She gave an alternate perspective. If you you are any objective you will tolerate it.


All of you act as if there is nothing good about Nigeria. Yet your basic education you got here. The little money you made you scrape and take outside. But you will present like you don't know why Nigeria is broke. You are all selfish. All of you. Shame on you for pointing solely at leaders. Imagine the drain in capital flight and the talent lost to your slavery mindset. No sense of honest patriotism. Who will teach you this qualities. White have no respect for men with non of this qualities. They call them traitors .

Yorubas would say ko lè yè yòn (they can never understand). The whites, the Arabs and the Asians would never respect you, if your values system is shit - selfishness, greed, untrustworthy and unpatriotic. With all the wars that went on the Syria, the Syrians themselves refused to japa into Europe, which was a stone throw away. With all the sanctions that the west placed on Iran, the Iranian people remain in Iran to confront the Ayatollah dictatorship. But any small problem in Nigeria (the southern parts particularly), scores begin to japa to any where. You now wonder why everyone hates and disrespect us, the Arabs loath us, the Jews don't want to see us, even fellow Africans hate and disrespect us. Canada that tolerated us because of their dwindling population and the huge expanse of land will soon get tired of us.

Trojan8:
Mumu

Na naira person wey dey Canada dey spend.

Uno tell am say N400,000 (which today is less that $400) no go pay rent for one room self contain in one month.

Saladdin:
We hear you!

I agree to her point that a top earning professional should not abandon his career to be a cleaner in Canada. He should rather seek for a dual citizenship or preferably send his family over there and then gradually plan to join them.

This is the problem with most nigerians, we want ready made in everything, we are not ready to take the time and effort to build something to obtain the reward later. We want everything now now. Those countries we are japaing to was build on the sacrifices, sweat and blood of their people. But we chose to destroy our own society and escape to enjoy the society build by others.

If all Africans or Nigerian professionals should japa with their families, who will then build Africa or Nigeria as the case may be? Boko Haram, Al- Shabab, ISIS or Fulani herdsmen? Fulani herdsmen are not japaing anywhere, in fact more and more are ja-wole, they are coming in from all over Africa looking for land. If you ja-pa, they would gladly ja-wole.

Europe and America is draining Africa of its most valuable resources - its manpower, particularly its skilled manpower. Imagine the richest man in the world is an African.

The AU needs to address this manpower drain of Africa that started with the slave trade.

However, an average Nigerian that has the opportunity to go to Canada should grab it with two hands, at least he has hopes to live in a sane society.

She looks like a Somali-Canadian. Why didn't she stay put in Somalia? I'll not be surprised if she's from an elite family in Somalia, or she probably came to Canada by seeking asylum. Abeg shift!

She has a valid point. It does not make sense to leave a respectable job and life in Africa and start doing menial jobs in Canada. Its acceptable for a young man or woman that just started life, but for a matured person that have achieved some respectable status in society, its embarrassing and shameful.

Djele:
The revolution will start in kano

Kano people no dey hear word o. They are very stubborn like Ondo people. I suspect serious riots if the supreme court agrees to invalidate NNPP votes just because ballot papers were unsigned without cancelling those of APC.
The best thing the supreme court can do is order a rerun in the controversial local governments. We should never be in a situation where the courts determine who would be governor or president.

Guyman01:
State capture of Judiciary, its no longer the people electing their leadership but the courts

That's the tragedy of Nigeria's democracy. People's votes are no longer sacred. The courts can cancel peoples votes based on errors by INEC or the parties, or any other technical issues. The courts have taken over to determine those that represents the people.

The electoral law and the constitution made sure INEC monitors the parties from primaries to the election proper. Why did INEC accept the candidates, screen the candidates, put their names on the ballot and announced them validly elected, only for the court to disqualify their candidacy and votes?

casualobserver:
I agree with you on agencies like EFCC last ma etc.

As far as INEC, I believe you are wrong but I don’t have the energy to engage anyone who thinks INEC is the problem. Largely because you have probably made up your mind and we will engage in back and forth with no achievement.

Let me just state my position on INEC.


INEC is one of the most credible organisations we have in Nigeria. Are there bad elements yes, there will always be bad elements so long as they are staffed by Nigerians. This election we had in 2023 is one of the most credible elections anywhere in the world and certainly ever in Nigeria.

What makes INEC credible? Their product (the electoral system) is credible. You cannot rig without evidence. I didn’t say you can’t rig but you will leave evidence.

If you over vote, there is evidence
you stamp ballot boxes, there is evidence
If you alter results, there is evidence
If you are not registered to vote, you can’t vote
You can’t register or vote twice

If you announce wrong results, there is evidence.

There is evidence for every infraction. What you do with it is not INEC’s business….they have done their job. Which is to provide an electoral system that is difficult to rig and when you rig you will leave evidence of your rigging.

The problem with Nigeria is that we are bad losers and we malign INEC and the judiciary and get the gullible public (very easy because the majority have no brains to use) to believe we were rigged when in fact we lost the election or it was our own blunders that cost us defeat.

Let me tell you something for a fact, if a politician knows he was rigged he knows where evidence of the rigging is. If he isn’t producing the evidence it is because he knows he wasn’t rigged. I am wasting my time try to convince you but the system is fool proof.

If anything I would revise my earlier list and say the most corrupt people in Nigeria are politicians. They know they lost but they lie and go to court even when they know they will lose because they believe if they admit they lost, their supporters will lose hope in them saying “this one never wins” but by saying and perpetuating the lie that we were cheated you keep the fire in the supporters alive.


If you were rigged, there is evidence. I stress I am not saying rigging doesn’t happen but politicians have the results even before INEC because they have situation rooms. They know if any rigging materially affected the outcome. If it did they will provide. The evidence because you cannot hide evidence. But often they know they lost, they know there was rigging in 2 or 2 places but they know it made no difference but they will highlight it to malign INEC and claim they won. If it mattered they have the paper trail and they would present it.


Haven’t you noticed that people claim they won elections and instead on focusing on where they were rigged they focus on disqualification?

Majority of Nigerians would disagree with the redded statement including judges, SANs and many highly respected legal scholars.
Here is the opinion of 3 justices of the court of appeal in Abuja read out today 24th November by the lead justice in the judgement that the sackes the Speaker of the Bauchi State House of Assembly.

BREAKING: Court of Appeal sacks Bauchi state House of Assembly Speaker, orders rerun

A three-member panel on Friday held that the election that produced Suleiman in Ningi Central Constituency in Ningi Local Government Area of Bauchi State was full of irregularities.

The appellate court ordered a rerun in 10 polling units in the constituency.

Meanwhile, the lead justice has warned the Independent Electoral Commission (INEC) to conduct its affairs under the law to avoid plunging the country into crisis.

Delivering judgment in the Ningi Central Constituency appeal, said INEC’s conduct of the 2023 general elections was not as an unbiased umpire.
https://politicsnigeria.com/breaking-court-of-appeal-sacks-bauchi-state-house-of-assembly-speaker-orders-rerun/

If 3 appeal court judges could accuse INEC of not being an unbiased umpire, you expect ordinary Nigerians to accept INEC’s conduct of the last elections.

These 3 honourable judges did the right thing when the integrity of the elections was called to question by cancelling the elections in affected areas and ordering a rerun, instead of cancelling the votes of only one party and leaving the votes of the other.

Some Nigerians still have conscience and have not sacrificed their conscience on the alter of money, tribalism or other personal interests.

LocalFARMERS:
You think so? But the imported ones will also pass through all those setbacks you mentioned.

The don't. Imported products don't have the extra bureaucracy and corruption local goods pass through, particularly in the production and manufacturing process. Ordinary registration of business in Nigeria is problem. Getting necessary certifications and approvals like NAFDAC SON, health approvals, fire certificates, local government fees, Union fees, agbero fees, etc are extremely difficult and costly.
It seems you have never tried to set up a business in Nigeria. The approval processes alone can kill your spirit. And we have not even started about the manufacturing process proper.

Lukuluku69:
Very true.

I learnt Chinese Trawlers, Ghanaians and Cameroonians are the one doing serious fishing in our Waters.

This is a business Nigerians can go into too.

Growing up, I know some Lebanese at Apapa, Lagos into this but left when the old Man became old.

His name? We simply call him Joseph back then.

The reason Nigerians are not into fish trawling is because of corruption and government bureaucracy. Getting loans to buy a trawler is very difficult, an interest rate of 30% is killing. Registering a ship in Nigeria is a herculean task. The Nigerian crew and captain operating the trawler will steal you to oblivion. Navy, police and other government agencies patrolling our Waters will collect bribes and fish from your vessel.

In the 70s, 80s and 90s trawling was a viable business and lots of people went into it. Ibru was a major player in the trawling business. If you go to apapa then, you will see lots of Trawlers offloading fish. But now trawling is a suicide mission.

casualobserver:
The police are the most currupt followed by the opposition who try and taint the judiciary and INEC for their incompetence and lack of election strategy.

I disagree. The police have really improved over the years. Even though some police officers are extremely corrupt and they still collect bribes in police stations and on the road, this is child play when compared to other organisations like LASTMA, FRSC, Customs, INEC, EFCC, NDLEA, and civil servants in general. The police is the only organisation I know that punishes and dismisses officers caught with evidence of corruption. Have you seen any INEC, EFCC LASTMA, etc officials dismissed or demoted for collecting bribes?

To me the most corrupt organisations presently is INEC. There are still many honest judges at the lower courts who dispense justice without collecting bribes. The rot is in the higher courts - Appeal and Supreme courts.

koboko69:
Guy nor dey argue mumu thing. Does not matter if it was rupiblican or democrats. That is not the issue. You claim sifting through ballots was strange, and I said even in America politicians do same looking for ballots to disqualify to see if it will make a difference. What are you arguing about? Trump rallied against mail in ballots, and maby republican states used simple errors to disqualify many ballots in Texas, Arizona, and swing states. Republican ballots too were discarded if errors were found in them. I said it earlier, the onus is on NNPP to also show us ballots for APC that was not signed so they can be disqualified too. Abi na court go help NNPP look for evidence? I don tire for your matter abeg

I wonder why Nigerians don't believe in fairness, justice and equity, but to cheat and take undue advantage. APC was the party contesting the results, so it was APC that sifted through the ballot papers to disqualify NNPP votes. Now that a new result has been announced by the courts, natural justice demands that NNPP also should be allowed to sift through APC votes looking for unsigned ballots to disqualify APC votes. After that the total tally of all signed ballots can be tallied and the winner determined.

koboko69:
This guy is a clown sha. All those "mountain of evidence" brought to the court by your principlal in boxes contained what? What were they trying to do with it? Even in the united states here, one of the strategies used by Donald Trump was to look for ballots that could be canceled due to one mistake of the other. A lot of mail in ballots were discarded for simple errors like no signature on the outer envelopes, or no postmark by postal office, signature could not verifiedz You are here talking about "strange"

Let me help u

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/california-rejected-100000-mail-in-ballots-because-of-mistakes
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/18/texas-rejected-election-ballots/

We're they rejected by the courts or by election officials? The law gives election officials from polling units to the state level the powers to reject election results. Why didn't any of them reject the results based on non signing by the presiding officer. The law specifically gave the election officials the discretion to reject or accept unsigned ballot papers, why did the courts feel they should usurp that power from election official?

Kukutente23:
You're presenting the claim of the APC lawyers as fact. If voting was disrupted due to violence, what does the EA say should be done to the PU result?
Since the APC lawyers claim that BVAS was not used in those PUs, what does EA say should be the fate of PUs where BVAS was not used?
You're only shooting yourself in the foot out of ignorance

That's the problem with this verdict. If violence was proven to have occurred in a particular polling unit, it would have made sense to cancel the result of the while polling unit or at worst ask for a rerun, but to isolate votes of one particular party is suspect.

After all ballot snatching and violence is a very common feature of nigerian elections. This is not the first alleged case and it wouldn't be the last, but this is the first time a particular party is punished.

Ay4christ2010:
It can be sir, From the electoral law if the ballot paper is not stamp and sign by the presiding officer on the election day, it make the vote invalid. That's why presiding officer is always told to sign and stamp the ballot paper only when he or she is about to give it to the voters.

So if some hooligans came to hijacked the ballot papers and start tumb printing on it he/she will just leave them for his own security purposes and cooperate with them while those illiterate does not know that the failure of the presiding officer to sign and stamp their ballot papers make all their votes invalid.

Are you now saying that only ballot papers won by NNPP were the only ones unsigned by the electoral officer? Not one vote credited to APC, not one vote credited to PDP or any other party, but a whooping 165,000 ballots won by NNPP was cancelled because they were the only ones unsigned by the presiding officer.

An imperial Court would have asked inec to recount all ballot papers and cancel all those not stamped and signed by the presiding officer and not only sift through the ballot papers and remove only the ones won by NNPP.

This is the first time in the history of elections in Nigeria that one party is being singled put for punishment, while rewarding others for the same offence.

Gwin007:
Thanks you all for the advice I really appreciate it will help a lot

Before you make this life altering move, look at this video on Daddy Freeze Channel, of a married woman with children that took the same decision of relocating to the UK without her husband. That practically ended their marriage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp9ws4qv0j8?si=U0aiJjAOA2pQAIXi

Fearyourcreator:
If he had done well ... he would have been voted in again

In Nigeria, are elections based on "doing well"? How do you measure "doing well"? How many governors or presidents in Nigeria were elected or reelected based on "doing well"?

Christistruth03:
INEC Job is to hold Credible Elections and Produce a Winner

Any delay in doing it could create big Crisis. Like during Abiola time

Any problem after that let the Supreme courts sort out

Is INEC the only electoral body in the world? How come others countries including those much poorer and less politically stable than Nigeria are able to have credible elections, conclude all litigations and reruns before the winners are sworn in.

In Nigeria, INEC is not interested in holding credible elections. The are only interested in announcing winners and then asking other candidates to go court to prove they won the election. Meanwhile, inec is the one with all the evidence of the elections.

Christistruth03:
End of Story !

This is what Atiku and Peter Obi should have done at least after the Supreme Court ruled against them

Instead of trying to incite Civil and Ethnic Unrest

It was an Election!

Elections always have winners and losers

It's not about Atiku or Obi. It about the whole electoral system which promotes getting INEC to announce a winner by hook or crook, and then asking other candidates to go to court. Once the announce winner is sworn in and has his/her hands on the levers of power, they use that power to manipulate the system.
Atiku has been challenging the presidential elections since 2007, so you cannot claim to understand the system more than he does.

Addme:
Did you really mean the bolded. Since 1999 till date, no election conducted in Nigeria that we don't have at least 2 governors losing their seat

English comprehension my brother. I said under the present dispensation - meaning this Mahmood Yakubu / Tinubu regime. If INEC does not do the job, the appeal and supreme court will finish the job.
I alway use Rivers State and just recently Imo State as the poster examples of the new dispensation. If the Rivers elections could be validated by both INEC and the courts, I don't see any governor or president losing an election in the future.

Mccullum:
2023 presidential election is the second best election in Nigeria. BVAS exposed malpractices in increments of accredited voters.

That's not what's reflected by the report of international observers and the number of electoral cases in the courts. This election has the highest number of litigations contesting the elections.
Jonathan's elections had far fewer complaints and litigations.

BVAS and IReV has been sabotaged, the courts and INEC have rendered it useless and irrelevant.

IVORY2009:
This can never happen in Nigeria, but thanks to the former president Goodluck Jonathan that made it happen, the current political atmosphere in Nigeria can never see this happen, but I know someday we would get there.

Jonathan's case was an aberration. Goodluck Jonathan was from a minority tribe, he got the position of president by providence and despite opposition from the king makers in Nigeria. Jonathan was not that desperate to retain power as he had declared that his winning does not deserve the spilling of Nigerian blood. He was also a bit naive and was not ready to deploy the full force of the presidency to manipulate the system - both electoral body and the judiciary.
This cannot be said of the present system. Under the present system a governor cannot lose an election not to talk of the president. The executives have the whole system in the pockets including the election body, judiciary and the security forces. The elections are getting less credible and violent. The next set of elections are expected to be even worse.

Throwback:
The report said he burnt it.

He burnt it all.

The report is wrong. I watched the actual video on WhatsApp. He said he forgot his Secondary school certificate at home. The documents burnt did not include the secondary school certificate.

I am sure if you search on YouTube, you will find the actual video.

Throwback:
Many already suspected he is one of those who studied a discipline that is not very employable. Then a private university that has no standing in the Labour Market like Covenant, Babcock or Afe Babalola.

If he has never worked a job that is relevant to the discipline since 2010 when he graduated, it is a learning opportunity not to study for the sake of university admission or to graduate anyhow for the sake of certificate.

The very stupid action was burning his O'level certificate that would always be required for any other undergraduate study he choses to embark on to align his career experiences with an academic qualification.

In all he has helped to eliminate himself from contention, so that other job applicants can move forward with more ease.

University education is not required for selling hair wigs and extensions on Facebook or "Fashion Design, or carpentary/furniture business, or selling cosmetics or operating a barber shop or betting shop.

Pursue whatever vocation that will bring you money and avoid a delay of 5 or 6 years just to obtain a useless certificate just because you want to feel among.

He did not burn his O Level certificate.

Kukutente23:
The problem is not the building of bridge, hospital and rail. The problem is those things are being built with loans which means we can't afford them. Worse still, they are being built by foreign companies which means we are borrowing money to pay foreign companies to build infrastructure. It's a vicious cycle that leaves Nigeria at the short end

Gbam! The problem is not even the loans. With an interest of 4 -5% over a 20 year period, a semi competent government should be able to pay back comfortably. You need these critical infrastructures in order to develop the economy. The problem first and foremost is corruption. The projects are done at highly inflated costs, sometimes up to 5 times the actual cost. Then there is the issue of labour. The Chinese bring in most of their labour, thereby denying our own people the benefits of enjoying the economic impact of the liquidity of the loans. The money is repatriated back to China instead of it circulating within the country. Then there is the lack of manpower and training to build, operate and maintain these infrastructures. Our educational system is not in tune with our developmental goals, so after these infrastructures are build, we must rely on the builders who incidentally are our creditors to help us maintain them at exorbitant costs.

This is why it has become a viscous cycle. If we train our own people to build and maintain these machines and infrastructures, we would have been building and improving on them by now.

nairalanda1:
Also, economics 101...have a diversified economy that exports.

The government is not interested in diversifying the economy before we can even talk about export. Try and export simple charcoal or even garri from Nigeria. The stress you will face on the road transporting your goods to the ports and the officials at the ports will kill your spirit and profits before your goods gets to its destination. And we are not even talking about cost of production yet.

ArcSEMPECJ:
Thanks alot abeg, I wonder what they meant by 30%.....
iF a good am buying at #350 as of NoV 2022 is now sold at #1500…..
Then we have above 100% increase in inflation....
Let's not go back to 2014 before this evil Government came to snatch power....

I am sure KPMG was talking about monthly inflation and not yearly. If you are talking about inflation from this time last year before Tinubu's fuel subsidy policy came into effect, I am sure you will be talking of over 200% inflation.

Kenochi:
Economics 101: Refine your crude oil and stop importation of petrol,diesel and aviation fuel/kerosene

If those in government are expecting anything apart from this to reduce inflation,then they need to go back to school and question their certificate
Force NNPCL to supply crude oil to Dangote and all other modular refineries and conserve your foreign exchange.This is the only short term measure to stop this galloping inflation
The cost of production is very high as we run a Diesel Economy, our Electricity is kaput and we rely on Diesel to power our industries

Here in ikorodu, which happens to have one of the best electric supply in lagos, we have not had light during the day for up to a week. And you expect businesses to be run on petrol of N600/litre.

The poverty that will hit Nigerians by January next year is still doing push ups.

LeeSantos:
I haven’t heard of a country that numbers are so useless like this country. Every positive stats predicted change to negative before the day or week ends.

Imagine! And Tinubu was presented to Nigerian as an accomplished accountant, a economist and a technocrat, but up till now he has no economic agenda for Nigeria, not even a economic team. Nigerias economy is just floating, downstream at that.

Femiairboy:
You’re talking to a Chartered analyst, I know all these. I’m a capitalist at heart, I have a laissez-faire outlook when it comes to policy and the economy so they can do whatever they want with their finances. However, where is the place of patriotism?

This your question dey vex me well well. What do you mean by where is his patriotism. I am sure he is more patriotic than Tinubu, Atiku and probably Obi also, and most of our elected and appointed government officials. Nigeria is the only country I know that a governor or minister sends all his or family abroad, have all his or her investments abroad, goes abroad for any medical treatment, spends all holidays abroad, and then japa the day he leaves office to permanently sell the abroad. And you are asking ordinary struggling Nigeria "where is your patriotism"?