₦airaland Forum

1stGenAmerican:
What you just told me is that your Nigerian public servants in are inaccessible to the public that they serve. I’m sad that Nigerians normalize that.

That's the reality of third world countries. Government officials and the governed live in two different universes. Whether we normalised it or not, that's the reality.

Now can we change that. Yes we can. But the problem is the governed are too divided, ignorant and fearful to do anything. They can only resort to religion, drugs, alcohol, crime, social engagements, etc to give their lives any meaning.

1stGenAmerican:
You’re moving goalposts. First, it was an invasion privacy and once it was determined that there is no privacy in public spaces, you moved on to personal space. Freedom of speech was on the side of the person recording and the person being recorded had the right to say whatever he felt like saying in return as long as it wasn’t a threat of injury or bodily harm. Goodbye.

I am shock at the quality of your arguments. When we talk of privacy, we are not even about the location, but private/personal space. That's why I attached the screenshot of what I mean by private/personal space. You stubbornly keep talking about a restaurant being a public space.

Then you go on interpreting freedom of speech yo mean you can hurl insults at others, which I explained to you can be termed provocation

1stGenAmerican:
When you see your Nigerian politicians out in public (and it isn’t election time), do they stop and offer you a seat so that they can hear your concerns?

Where will you even see a Nigerian politician to talk to? With the layers of Mobile policemen, DSS, aides, assistants, etc. That still does not justify provocation when you do have the opportunity to close contact with them.

I prefer we carry out our advocacy and fights intellectually and rationally instead of violence, insults and emotions which will achieve nothing.

1stGenAmerican:
You seem to have very little knowledge about America because people literally hurl foul words at politicians while recording regularly. Donald Trump was publicly called a b*tch on numerous occasions and the Secret Service just kept him moving along. As long as they don’t make threats of injury or bodily harm, the politician and his/her security keeps moving.

You are good at deflecting and muddling issues. I hope that's not how you argue your case in court. What most people are complaining about is not necessarily the recording or even the insults, but the invasion of Aregbesola's personal space. We are saying it's provocation the way he walked up to him, stick a camera to his face and starting making provocative remarks.

1stGenAmerican:
A citizen recorded a policeman killing a man in America and that recording led to the policeman going to prison. This has happened more than once but never did you hear the police demanding that the person recording give them their phone. I don’t know why these guys think the guy being recorded here is immune to things Americans aren’t.

Please quit comparing the recording of a person from a distance to someone sticking his phone in your face, shouting "this is America". To me that's provocation. Even the people recording policemen do it from a distance.

1stGenAmerican:
Have you not seen how American politicians are recorded and called out in public? Politicians are public servants. They work for and answer to the citizens, not the other way around.

I have not seen how how American politicians are harrased and heckled by strangers. What I have seen is journalists questioning public officials (sometimes aggressively)in the course of doing their jobs while at the same time avoid insulting or heckling them. Security of public officers would not even allow strangers close to them.

1stGenAmerican:
I am saying that if you and I are both here in America in public, as long as I don’t touch you or restrict your movement, I can rightfully record you. The restaurant is in a public place. There is no such thing as privacy in public spaces.

I disagree that a restaurant is a public space in the true sense of the word. It's a private business. No one customer has the right to disturb another customer. I run a business open to the public. Any unruly customer disturbing another customer will be thrown out.

Even in a public space, there is something called personal space bubble. You are not allowed to invade my personal space.

Personally, I hate strangers getting too close to me.

Wettoid123:
it is you guys back home that are stupid man that is why you guys will continue to live a miserable life back home cos you see nothing bad in all the atrocities this politicians are doing, aregbesola is the minister of interior yet Nigerians cannot process and get common international passport we in the diaspora feel the pains more but you you and you feel so lackadaisical abt everything , bro get a life!

And you think the most sensible way to get common international passport or get the country on the right path is by heckling government officials overseas?

If you are not ashamed of Nigerians always causing nuisance in foreign lands, I am. We should not be fighting our political dirty fights in other people's lands.

1stGenAmerican:
As an American lawyer, I’ll tell you that the police or security wouldn’t have done anything because the person broke no laws.

As an American, are you insinuating that you can heckle me, invade my private space and disturb my peace and the police wouldn't do anything? Will a private business (the restaurant) allow one of their customers to be harrased and their security won't be able to throw the offending party out because the person broke no laws?

akwunomy:
It is not wrong because he is a minister of interior of the Federal Republic of Nigeria…he is not a private citizen and as such he can’t enjoy those right…is like the president telling someone not to record him…

All he need to do is just ignore the guy and stay mute…like the guy said…he can’t touch him as that will result in an assault…

To me he was wrong. He was intentionally just harassing the minister in order to embarrass him. He had the opportunity to express his grievances in a civilised manner, when Aregbesola offered him a sit. He made no attempt to discuss in a civil manner. His YouTube or social media channel would have benefited if he sat down and questioned Aregbesola on issues such as Osun election, Kuje terrorist attack, why he left Osun state during election, etc.

I don't support Aregbesola but we can only move forward by being rational instead of being emotional.

zickyclef:
There is a difference between recording from a from a distance and coming over to his table to record him. He also made it clear he is not comfortable with the close range recording, you went ahead to post it on social media.
Be logical . We are all suffering from bad leader Bro.

Exactly! That's an invasion of private space. If he was recording from a distance, that's another issue. But coming up to his face and shouting "this is America" is unacceptable. Aregbesola should have simply called the police or security.

zendi:
Mass Mail Voting.
Ballots Harvesting.
"Ballots Curing".
Absence of Voter Id Requirement..
Absence of Law Enforce at Vote Processing Centres.
Unmanned Ballots Drop Out Boxes.
Noncitizen Voting.
Absence of Proof of Citizenship.
All manner of travesties to vote.


Woke Guidelines produce Woke Votes.
Woke Votes are not Fake Votes.
But if Woke Votes were Medicines,
Neither tablet nor capsule would cross my throat.

Cvtte : My comment is on world affairs, not any country-specific.

Then you must be more Republican than Republicans in the US.

tony0806:
Instead of buying 2 litres of kings in a plastic rubber for 4k, why not buy the one of 1 litre in a big nylon sold for 1,500 naira. That way, you would have saved 1k if you buy 2 of it and turn it into the empty one you already have

Because all of those sold in big nylon for N1500 are unhealthy adulterated oil. They foam when using it to fry something and has an unpleasant taste.

Original unadulterated Kings oil is quite expensive.

KnownUnknown:
It has become an article of faith. Stupid people running around thinking faith is a virtue have now extended their religious ignorance to other spheres. So they'll say dumb things like "I believe the election was stolen" just like they say "I believe Jesus (white of course) died for my sins" as if their silly beliefs matter and not reality.

That's why I say religion/faith/beliefs bring out the worst in people. It gives people justification to be irrational, hateful and cruel without taking responsibility. Once you invest into a belief, no matter how absurd, it must be protected by all means including violence.

KnownUnknown:
Fox News having the most audience is due to the "demented racists" all watching the same outlet to get their daily dose of nonsense and that's why they have the highest audience. Crackas love their nightly virtual cross burning on FOX but you wouldn't understand because you don't live there. Other people get their news from various sources. Yes, they are "demented racists" and other manner of bigots or those that are comfortable with bigotry as long as its not directed at them.



Because they are a lot of brain addled minorities who are just as easily bamboozled as the majority racists. Also, Trump's increase in support reflects the increase in general turnout during the election. And so what if Trump got more support this time. Your post is akin to those bringing up trump's 74 million votes while seemingly oblivious to the fact that Biden had more votes.



I already explain that the only people who bring up CNN and MSNBC are the morons "knee-deep in white wing narratives" who think others depend on CNN and MSNBC like they depend on FOX. Nothing I wrote previously indicated that CNN and MSNBC are unbiased. You brought it up just like the "demented racists".

Even as right winged as FOX is, they acknowledged Trump lost, but that is beyond the capacity of his deranged worshippers. They will simply go over the edge if they accept that.

georjay:
It's business bro

It's just like saying premiership and other footballing events should be put on hold...

Some people earn livelihood from it....



As always you people will always blame BBN as the Reason why youths are not focused...as if they have ever been focused!

Has Nigeria as a whole ever been focused? universities have been shut for close to 1 year, A bag of rice is nearing N35,000 per bag, Naira is exchanging for over N600 to the dollar, diesel (main fuel for transportation of goods) is N900/litre, Boko Haram can attack Abuja at will. And someone is talking about only the youths not being focused.

Onlinedet:
Lol... I don't want to sound like I'm defending the couple, but I also believe that the lady was the one that agreed for her family to be sent the money. My point is that everything was consensual and mutual to some extent. But normally, we all know that it's in human nature to want more for themselves regardless of the former agreement. So, we can say she later realised that she could have more than just basic needs... And if the couple had known that she would breach the agreement and go to the UK police, I believe they would have revoked their name from her visa, and she would have had to go back to Nigeria. They probably thought they could just bring her from one village in Nigeria and take her in as a house help, just like it's done in Nigeria...
I just feel for the little kids that would be staying without their parents for two years Shaa.
This just goes to show that one needs to be careful even when helping others, because even the person you think you're helping could turn against you anytime they feel they're not getting enough...
I repeat; it's all shades of grey

As a Nigerian, our conscience has been deadened by both culture and religion. We are taught that exploitation of the weak - poor, women and children is acceptable and even desirable. In the west, exploiting these group of people without appropriate employment terms is termed modern slavery. Agreements contrary to these terms are null and void from the beginning. There are lots of NGOs specifically dedicated to fighting against such exploitation.

I have three children and I never agreed to use teenage children, very poor relatives or exploit a desperate poor stranger to help raise them. My wife and I raised my children all by ourselves, with occasional help from my mother. I know lots of couples with less income with 2 or 3 exploitative "househelps" baby sitting their children. Nigerians have normalised such behaviour. It's not condoned at all in Europe.

The case has been decided, the couple was found to have broken their laws and they have been sentenced. So the the matter of a consensual agreement has been defeated. Furthermore, the general society is appalled by such behaviour and decided to vent their anger. You might find such behaviour acceptable, but the British society does not.

Onlinedet:
"It doesn't matter what she agreed to". My point exactly. Considering that it was categorically stated that there was no form of abuse, and she willingly stayed back in North Ireland to work for them while they took care of her (clothing, food and housing) and sent some money to her family in Nigeria. I'm not saying that it was fair enough. It's just all shades of grey.

That's the definition of modern day slavery. Why should your employer send send some money to your family and not pay you directly? Even such things are common place here in Nigeria, it is considered illegal in the western world.

basilico:
How old do you think that girl is? I hope the bot does not ban me. He was having an affair with her. He has not been charged.
Mods please dont ban me.

The other one is his creepy father, Hunter has of today saved him on his contacts as "Pedo Pete"

Evil people Yet you scream about Trump all day
Birds of a feather flock together.

How does this concern the topic under discussion? You like jumping from one issue to other unrelated issues. I care less about hunter Biden's sex/love or drug life as he his not an elected or public office holder. Biden has been in politics and public life for over 4 decades. If he had committed any sex offence, it should have come up before the elections.
Trump has been accused by 25 women of sexual harassment and by 2 prostitutes of intimidation, and he confessed to "grabbing them by the pussy", you still choose to worship him. It means sex crimes or deviance is not important to you.

Skyonebaba:
Before 2015 how many Igbo Muslims were into the southeast politics , people we will wake and start talking rubbish. They are more northern christians than eastern Muslims

He has a point. Igbo are not very tolerant or liberal to foreigners in their own land. They will not even allow igbos from other South East states into their civil service not to talk of politics. Igbos are also generally intolerant to Muslims.

basilico:
Everyone is allowed to protest. The intention of the protest was not to storm congress. It was to make sure they knew a crowd outside felt the separate group of electors would be discussed. Some states had sent an objectional list of electors ( I will get you that list) and the procedures I outlined above were supposed to have been followed. Instead a pipe bomb was found and the session was cancelled just before Ray Epps gang removed the barricades. And Trump rally 20 minutes later ended after Ray Epps and his FBI fiends had started the chaos.
The whole thing was a setup. It does not take an idiot to see that unless your brains are closed,

Here is a video of Democrats objecting in 2017. Objections have been there so Trump doing the same was no crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZtrFaa8Tw

Here is CCTV footage of the guy who stopped the objectors before discussions on the electors started. FBI have all these videos they have never arrested him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGedQ17XqI

Every one has the right to ptotest, but not on the Capitol balcony and certainly not on the legislative chamber at the time of certification. And no one of the protesters has the right to stop the steal.

How were the protesters made aware of alternative electors when the issue was only brought up on the floor of the house. Even the Vice president was not aware of alternative electors until it was raised on the floor.

Then how did alternative electors emerge? The secretaries of states had already ratified the results and the state legislatures had already ratified the results and sent electors, so who sent the alternative set of electors, and on what election results was it based? There is a process of sending electors to Congress. Till today, the state legislatures had not protested the electors that was sent to Congress. If every candidate is allowed to send his own electors to Congress without recourse to the elections then there will never ge peaceful transfer of power in US ever again. All elections will end up with violence until a civil war ensues.

basilico:
I have given you a list of all electoral objections from 2000. Your mind should be not sealed. Read that link.I dont live in America I love honesty not the lies you are putting forth after It is codified in Law which is what Trump were discussing. There is no crime there.

Since 1887, 3 U.S.C. 15 has set the method for objections by Members of Congress to electoral votes. During the Joint Session, lawmakers may object to individual electoral votes or to state returns as a whole. An objection must be declared in writing and signed by at least one Representative and one Senator. In the case of an objection, the Joint Session recesses and each chamber considers the objection separately for no more than two hours; each Member may speak for five minutes or less. After each house votes on whether to accept the objection, the Joint Session reconvenes and both chambers disclose their decisions. If both chambers agree to the objection, the electoral votes in question are not counted. If either chamber opposes the objection, the votes are counted.
Objections to the Electoral College votes were recorded in 1969, 2005, and 2021. In all cases, the House and Senate rejected the objections and the votes in question were counted.

What are you arguing about? No one is questioning normal legislative objections on the floor of the house. As you pointed out, it it is part of the normal certification process. The bone of contention is a "stop the steal" protest/riot that attempted to thaw the whole process of certification by violent means. There had never been a violent attempt to stop the certification of election result by Congress in US history.

basilico:
Democrats have been doing that for years. Free your mind then the rest will follow
https://rollcall.com/2017/01/06/trump-election-is-made-official-over-scattered-objections/

Democrats had never organised a protest (or riot) on the day Congress certified the presidential elections in an attempt to "stop the steal". A few Democrats raising objections on the floor of the house had no effect on the certification of the results.

Tell me how did you guys plan to stop the steal on the day the result was to be certified? What was the intention of the protest/riot the exact time the elections were to be ratified?

armyofone:
Basically - he shouldn't have attended that Jan 6th event. "Your presence" "as a leader" - mind you.

Knowing that day was the day for doing what the constitution asked to be done - he should not be holding or attending the so called stop the steal demonstration.

There are so many things we can't change but accept and grumble

The "stop the steal" slogan itself was an indictment of Trump's complicity in the insurrection. How were they to "stop the steal"?

On a day the congress was to ratify the result of an election, you call your radical supporters to got to the Capitol to stop the steal. That means you called them to stop the process (by violence), as all efforts to persuade the Vice president from ratifying the results failed.

COMPAQ:
You can't pay N20k ($33) for dstv, yet you are clamouring for Starlink that currently costs N66k ($110)?

Please explain that logic!

For 20k you can hardly get 100Gb of data at a less than 100kb/s. With starlink they say they will provide true unlimited data at between 150-500 Mbps.

It pays a medium to big business company to subscribe to such a service than the poor and expensive service being offered currently .

KaluwisxPRO:
You must be blind then

It's you that's blind. Billionaires that make their wealth through hard work do not waste it on frivolities. Ask Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet or even Dangote.

Theone123:
When you have money, like money.... 10m naira becomes your ₦10. Ask Elon musk.

And you think Elon Musk will spend his hard earned money to buy a $10,000 cake?

Elon Musk had been married twice. Did you thing he spent a fortune doing "owambe" just to show off for one day?

Dannycypher:
Their choice. When money talks.




uote author=naijaclass post=114665328]A Nigerian couple have set tongues wagging online following the expensive giant cake they used for their wedding.

They reportedly spent the total sum of N3.5 million to get a baking team to design the cake like a Lexus SUV car.

A video which has gone viral shows he bride and groom pulling up to their wedding reception in the car cake being pushed remote controlled and they stunned guests.

It was gathered that it took a total of 7 days for the car cake to be made and about 7000 eggs were used.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cf3242RgrYu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I gather that that's a big lie.

My wife is a Baker. She specialises in cakes for that matter.

She says, 1 Nigerian egg weights approximately 60g. That means the cake was baked with 7000 X 60g, which equals 420,000g or 420kg. That's over 8 bags of flour. In standard cake recipe, the weight measurement of eggs is usually equivalent to the weight measurement of flour. So therefore, the cake was baked with 8 bags of flour. Sugar should be about 20% less than flour.. That means 7 bags of 50kg sugar was also used in the cake.

Now does that sound reasonable?

Imka:
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Iswap controlling all of Nigeria before mid 2023.
Just as the Taliban overran Afghanistan and nothing happened, ISWAP is certainly gonna take over . This is the plan of the caliphate and agent zero. Zero made it all a walk in the park while you all were sleep walking.

I agree this is the game plan. ISWAP will launch a full scale attack once Buhari leaves. With the capabilities shown by ISWAP during this prison attack along internal sabotage by political and military officials, I don't see them not taking over Aso Rock. There are sleeper cells already all over the South, while the south is still sleeping. Taking over the South will be a breeze. The serenio will be like Afghanistan where less than 50,000 Taliban militia (me I would say much less, probably 30,000), took over a country of over 35 million with N180,000 US equipped military. Nigeria with less than 50,000 ill equipped and trained soldiers cannot face N10,000 trained, equipped and battle hardened ISWAP and Boko Haram fighters.

Okobola146:
BRIDGET EDOKWE ·
JULY 6, 2022

JUST IN: Boko Haram takes over Kuje federal prisons; releases hardened criminals into Abuja
Boko Haram fighters have seized control of the prisons in Kuje, an Abuja suburb, freeing hardened criminals into the nation’s capital.



The insurgents stormed the facility at about 10:00 p.m., detonating explosives and opening live rounds on state agents guarding the facility, according to a senior government official.

“Suspected Boko Haram attackers have just seized the prisons from our control,” an official said to Peoples Gazette. “They have destroyed the prison and we don’t know what they plan to do next.”

Why are there no campaign for Buhari to resign or be impeached?

Cognitivereason:
lol.. I am not saying we have the best security architecture but certainly.. if buhari was in his convoy..he would definitely be in a fully fortified armoured vehicle. you will also have several gun trucks before and after his own vehicle..

there are bomb detection vehicles very close to the official vehicle..also he travels in a fleet of about 40 vehicles..atleast 30 of which are field with armed soldiers ,police and DSS officials...

like I said as far as bubu was confortable in his official car..definitely it unlike for the terrorist to succeed without heavy resistance..

even president john F kennedy was murdered in his convoy in the US..a whole america

I am not talking about Buhari, I was referring to kuje prison.

GreyLaw:
Please get your facts right. A former president cannot have just 2 - 4 mobile police men. In OBJ's House do you know the number of DSS operatives there? Even civil defence. They are all there!

Those guys have both police and soldiers and secret service attached to them. Imagine common Burna boy has police people attached to him and you expect a former president to have just 2 - 4 security officers. Lol...

You should be the one to get your facts right. Civilian ex-presidents don't have military as part of their security details. Army has army officers guarding their retired generals, Navy has navy officers guarding their retired naval admirals and ditto for airforce. Civilian ex-president has mobile policemen in place of military officers.

I don't know much about DSS and civil defense, probably they are attached to retired military generals and ex-presidents for keeping an eye on them by the current government, in case they are planning a coup. But I know they are not usually in the security details that follows the principal when mobile or traveling. Most likely they are stationed in the residences and offices of the principal.