"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up." - 2 Peter 3:8-10

"For the vision is yet for an appointed time; But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it; Because it will surely come, It will not tarry." - Habakkuk 2:3

"It is good that one should hope and wait quietly For the salvation of the Lord." - Lamentations 3:26

Believe in the Lord Yeshua, the CHRIST!

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

frndfghtr:
I have check every where, in and out, in all my challenges, and notice that GOD DOESN'T EXIT, pls take it easy on me olodo people

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"The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good." - Psalm 14:1

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" - Romans 1:20

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

[quote author=TenQ post=123014728]Both Islam and Christianity agree about the definition of SIN:
Sin can generally be defined as a VIOLATION of God's instructions or command.

Other than this, there is a wide gap between the understanding of the GRAVITY of SIN by Christians and Muslims.

Islam:
A. Muslims usually see SIN as TRIVIAL such that it takes NOTHING from God to OVERLOOK the Sin of a Person.
B. For Muslims, there SIN is in graduations. There are small Sins and Big Sins of which the biggest is Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
Christians:
A. For the Christians, SIN is the most Grevious Offence a Human being can commit AND thus a Sinner CANNOT escape PUNISHMENT.
B. There is NO Big Sin or Small Sin before God as ALL Sin have an INFINITE consequence.

FOR COMPARISON PURPOSE:
In other words (for the Muslim Readers), the Christians are saying that SIN is the VIOLATION of the Kunfayakun (Power of Command or Decree: BE!) of God!
In other words, the Power of the Kunfayakun of God FAILS anytime Sin is Committed by a Person.

1. Sin is a CONTAMINANT
I will have to explain the Concept of SIN in Christianity as it is completely different from the Concept of SIN in Islam. Sin is not just what we have done that is not right but a CONTAMINANT!

The Bible describes our Bodies as Houses or Containers (Cup, Plate etc) for the Spirit of God.

1Cor 6:19:
"Or have ye not known that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God, and ye are not your own?"

Violation of God's Rule for Mankind is called SIN. SIN Contaminate our Bodies just as Human Excrement contaminates a vessel for eating.

2. All Human Beings are Sinners by Nature!
In other words like a drug addict must have cravings for drugs so all human beings have cravings for Sin.
Just as a Piglet inherits non chalance attitude to filth from its parents, as humans we have inherited the nature to sin from Adam.

We were Born SELFISH at birth and this. Is the ROOT cause of ALL Sin.

It is this the REASON why you don't have to specially COACH any baby how to LIE or STEAL or FORNICATE. It comes naturally to us while DOING Gods will is extremely difficult for us.

Rom 3:23:
"for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

We cannot by any means share eternally with God his Paradise

3. Sin MUST be PUNISHED
Every Sinner is called Wicked in the Bible

Prov 11:21:
"Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered."

Isa 1:28:
"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


4. The Magnitude of SIN is INFINITELY Large
The WEIGHT of Sin is INFINITELY LARGE:
1. Meaning that there is NOTHING like Small Sin or Big Sin. Sin is SIN.
2. The Judgement of SIN is INFINITELY LARGE. This is why the Judgement of Hell is eternal
3. The COST of Atonement for Sin is INFINITELY LARGE and the Sinner must thus be Punished!

5. The Punishment of Sin is INFINITELY Large
Because the weight of sin is INFINITELY Large, there is NOTHING we can do as humans to right the error of Sin Against God. What is done is done and it cannot be undone.

ONLY God has the Power to take our contaminated LIFE and wash it by HIMSELF with His OWN Detergent and Bleach and to His OWN Satisfaction
This requirement is fulfilled in the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (forgiveness of sin)."


Finally, Jesus said:
John 3:36:
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


John 6:40:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life : and I will raise him up at the last day."



Questions:
1. Do you have ANY Questions for TenQ?
2. Do you have any correction of the Islamic stand of sin or explanations regarding it?
3. Do you think it is possible to UNDO a sin after it had been committed and How?


I invite you to the Messiah: He's the INFINITE cost of payment for the judgment against your Sin.

His Gift of Freedom is yours through FAITH in God's SOLUTION and turning around to live your Life to Honour Him

This above is what is called:
Accepting Jesus as Saviour AND
Accepting Jesus as Lord


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Indeed!

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

"Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent[a] of the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church [c]of God which He purchased with His own blood." - Acts 20:26-28

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4

@ "kobo.."?!

Is all you convey on this forum not simply gibberish? The definition of gibberish is "unintelligible or meaningless language" and/or "pretentious or needlessly obscure language"

So, waste not your time... The Lord GOD reigns!

I want you to, particularly before you ever go on a post-responding rampage - to remember this word of GOD!

I Corinthians 13:1-13 NKJV

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love."

FreedomfromtheT:
You either lack comprehensive understanding of the Scriptures or simply being Pharisiac.
The righteous who will be rewarded are the saved who demonstrate such through their good works after salvation.
The sinners who will be punished are those who are not saved as at death and as such lack the commensurate heaven-made righteousness to prove such while still on the earth.

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@FreedomfromtheT - friend, you are spot on... Praise GOD! "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:8-10

The "user" you are debating does not appear to understand the Gospel of CHRIST, or perhaps he deliberately intends to oppose and confuse folks... or perhaps he/it is even a bot!

GOD knows, GOD sees... GOD is the Judge! (Psalm 7:11, Psalm 75:7)

jaephoenix:

And another one drops in not just to debate on the subject but to quote from the same material that is being debated about.
Aint chrissies wonderful?

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The Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST is Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6)...

The point in quoting from the Holy Bible is that everything that is in dispute (by the op and those like him) is a misapprehension of truth and either way, does not negate all the Holy Scripture that I quoted... plus, it puts the reader on notice about their error!

When all is said and done what does one say to one's MAKER, particularly in light of all HIS merciful revelations to mankind? Tomorrow is not guaranteed to anyone.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

Heroicvic:
Is there God ?
Apart from the holy book can you prove this?
Which is the true religion Muslim or christian?
Is there heaven or hell where bad people go?
Lastly Nothing like karma 💯

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Just take a serious look at yourself and everything around you in this world and beyond it!

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened." - Romans 1:18-21

op... clearly you and others like you have gone out of your way to attempt to discredit the inerrant, living (Hebrews 4:12-13) word of GOD, in error... GOD is the Judge and HE reigns... nothing and no one can stop HIS purposes... try in futility as y'all may! Very sad...

"But to the wicked God says: “What right have you to declare My statutes, Or take My covenant in your mouth, Seeing you hate instruction And cast My words behind you?" - Psalm 50:16-17

"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:11

"To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." - Titus 1:15 (note Revelation 21:8!!!)


The Parable of the Sower Explained
“Therefore hear the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” - Matthew 13:18-23


For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11

"Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men!" - Psalm 107: Verses 8, 15, 21 & 31

The gifts of the Almighty HOLY SPIRIT are diverse, given to each person who belongs to HIM, as it pleases GOD!

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
New King James Version

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills."

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ clothes His own in the same God's Armor that He alone is meant to wear. Where exactly is that indicated or written?

2. The verse you quote speaks of raiment — clothing — not armor. So where exactly did Jesus Christ state that all those who belong to Him would be clothed for battle much like He is by Him?

3. Jesus Christ Himself stated that He had already overcome the enemy on the behalf of His followers. Additionally, He gave to His own, His peace, to buttress them extra through suffering and tribulation meaning they have no battles to fight. So, when you tell folks to fight battles, that directly contradicts Jesus Christ, don't you see?

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"But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." - 2 Timothy 2:23-26

Kobojunkie:
How does one go about putting on an armor that is wholly worn by the Redeemer alone? https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#122627307

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The Redeemer, The Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST... does it all... HE clothes HIS own!

"Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?" - Matthew 6:30 (also Luke 12:28, Zechariah 3:4)

“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." - John 15:5

"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." - 1 Corinthians 10:13

jesusjnr2020:
Your position is antichrist because Jesus told us severally He would judge us according to our works. You cannot know more than Jesus who paid the price for ours sins with His blood concerning what He requires from us to be saved. If you don't believe that works play a crucial role in our salvation, you don't believe in what Jesus says.

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Clearly you have not understood... but I pray that you do.

GOD Who works in His own, whom He alone saves, is the only Holy One Who will be glorified!

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." - Philippians 2:13

Good works are a good thing and are encouraged, but know that works can never save a person from damnation! Why... because "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags"! (Isaiah 64:6)

Go and read the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector in Luke 18:9-14!...

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
"Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” - Luke 18:9-14

[quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=122348389]What Saved The Thief On The Cross?

It wasn't just faith but good works that saved the thief on the cross.

He didn't just put his faith in Jesus and pray for Jesus to remember him as many erroneously think. He did much more than that!

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I applaud your attempt to bring attention to this event... praise GOD!

I would just remind you that there isn't a single work that we as human beings do or can do that contributes to our salvation... it is by GOD's election and grace alone (John 1:12-13). The good works GOD does in us after He saves us.

Picture all of humanity, dead in trespasses and sins, in a pit since the fall of mankind. GOD must reach into said pit and breathe life via HIs Holy Word in those whom He will... then we respond to GOD.

Ephesians 2:1
By Grace Through Faith
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins"

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9

Indeed...

The Judgment Seat of Christ

"Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences." - 2 Corinthians 5:9-11

"It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me." - John 6:45

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." - John 17:3

"Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him." - Psalm 2:12

The most-High GOD - Who mercifully gave laughter - can indeed laugh... in the case below at the futility of those who reject and resist Him!

"The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.” He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision." - Psalm 2:2-4

Make no mistake... The LORD reigns!

"This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men." - Daniel 4:17

"God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

"Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness" - Galatians 5:19

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13

"Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." - 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"You who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked." - Psalm 97:10

"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate." - Proverbs 8:13

Kobojunkie:
Stop posting scripture out of context abeg!

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If this is your response to the holy Scriptures I quoted... are you now not clearly exhibiting your lack of knowledge? May the LORD GOD have mercy on you.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

"Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it." - Luke 17:33

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." - Jude 1:7

HeavenBreed:
For many of us, faith is a central part of our lives. We turn to God for strength and guidance in difficult times and we find comfort in His presence. But who is God, really? And how do we find Him? Is God in heaven?

These are big questions, and there is no easy answer. But the journey to a deeper faith is worth taking, and it’s different for everyone. There’s no one right way to find God.

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GOD IS... GOD!

"Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you. - Exodus 3:13-14

"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” - John 4:24

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6


GOD IS everywhere!

"Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?” says the Lord; “Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord." - Jeremiah 23:24

"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases." - Psalm 115:3

"The eyes of the Lord are in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good." - Proverbs 15:3

What's wrong with honest work, regardless of what it may be?

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going." - Ecclesiastes 9:10

"...that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing." - 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." - Isaiah 45:21

The Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST says...

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." - John 10:17-18

itu404:
Is it not being baptized either as a baby or even by immersion?
Is it not how much you can quote the bible or know a lot of verses by heart?
Is it not your winning a lot of trophies for your youth body each time you go out for debate?
Is it not having a famous pastor as your spiritual father or mother?
Is it not getting a degree in theology or going further?
Is it not teaching a Sunday school or getting a job as a Christian religion teacher?
It is not being a church leader?
Is it not being close to the pastor?
And have received a lot of awards from the board of deacon?
Surely it is keeping the house of God cleaned always for worship?
Being a good and regular thither for the past decades?
Having their highest monitory contribution each time, there is a need arising in the church
Bought a car gift for your pastor during his 50th birthday
Appointed head of elders to build a huge orphanage as part of the church ministry?
Donated a parcel of land to the church?
Sponsor the pastor’s television ministry through your organization as part of the church vision to reach the world?
Gave a scholarship to some deserving students in the church.
All the above is no.
THIS IS THE ANSWER :
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:24-26

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." - John 1:12-13

GOD is the only Holy One Who can truly make a sinner (all have sinned - Romans 3:23)... a Christian / true believer in the Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST

"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." - Ezekiel 36:25-26

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." - Hebrews 13:4

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8