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May he NOT REST IN PEACE

WHY DO YOU ALL HAVE TO OPEN DUMB THREADS?


PHUCK YOU OP:

Are corp members the only people whose lives are worth protecting?

What about the people that were killed in other parts of the country?


Phuck you OP, go siddon somewhere jo. Bloody bigot!

^^^

This is the internet my dear.

We are all tough guys here

women can be crazy atimes

This thread is pointless

I can see the OP dying of jealousy very soon

OP: Seriously, you need counseling, if possible deliverance from the spirit of jealousy at MFM.

^^^Whats the difference?

OP: You are very stupiddd.

How is the death of a foolhardy brat from the UK Seun's business.

When five people, I repeat, five people were killed in Osun State, you didnt deem it fit to open threads then. Now, that a senseless brat from UK was killed, you dont want us to rest.

WTF is wrong with you.

Anuofia your arse.

May his soul RIP, but you need to close this thread ASAP.

Can someone spill the beans already!

Why cant Ribadu come out and reveal what went down?

Kilode?!:
The election was a farce, a product of a shytty system.

No matter how much fragrance you spray oh shytte, it is still shyyte.

Very unfortunate.

I am beginning to think that the election was massively rigged.

As long as it is aimed at Ibos, there is no point stopping the riots.

Its time we did something about the burgeoning Igbo populaton in the North. Since they make up 70% of the population in the North, we need to trim that population to a more manageable size, like 2-5%

Very stupiddd thread

Yoruba man. . . we lead, others follow.


Up Dbanj
Up Yoruba



Down Don Jazzy, always leeching off Dbanj. Dbanj needs to drop his lazy Ibo arse ASAP.

^^^

All politics is Local

State Assembly and State Guber are more important than presidential really

iwonbaoko:
god forbid that a silly man be found among the[b] igbos a nation of geniuses[/b]

I guess Eva/Evans/Evan Enwerem was a genius as well?

mama-gee:
[color=deeppink]What are you implying?[/color]

Nothing. He just wants you to do us all a fovor: GO HUG A PHOCKING TRANSFORMER REEEETARD.

What a Bimbo!

Whatz up mummy-Gee?

nuzo:
Wrong!
Both the Housa and Yoruba copied it from the Malians.

Wrong! The Hausas and Malians copied it from the Yorubas.

ODECHUKWU looking confused and perplexed:

aloy-emeka:
Why is this a Yoruba issue all of a sudden?. Do you have proof apart from suspicion that Tinubu stole money?. As for me, I suspect he stole 75% of his wealth from Lagos state and the [size=18pt]remaining 25% came last week from Jonathan when he flew him to Abuja in a presidential jet.[/size] Marwa stole Lagos state to pieces while praying allahu akbar and floated his own airline with it. Obasanjo rewarded him for stealing from Lagos state with ambassadorial post to RSA. If Marwa can do it, why can't Bola collect his own?.

[size=18pt]ROFLMAO[/size]

This Aloy~Emeka is really stupiddddd

aloy-emeka:
Ribadu was a placebo.

You need to go back to speaking Ibo. English seems too hard for you.

Why would you use Placebo in that context!

Olodo.

Anuofia e na nu?

http://odili.net/news/source/2011/apr/18/500.html

Yoruba nationalism in Nigeria gained fervent pitch after June 12, 1993. Having been deprived of ruling Nigeria through an avoidable annulment of an election, which Chief MKO Abiola, a Yoruba won, the nation went into the trenches. The NADECO which was the arrowhead in the struggle to rectify the anomalies of June 12, essentially was peopled by the Yoruba intelligentsia and business moguls whose option B was secession from Nigeria.

Their famed Oduduwa republic was ready, with every paraphernalia, insignia and symbol of nationhood. They included a national anthem and a flag. The election of General Olusegun Obasanjo in 1999 was a compromise. No matter how much the Yoruba did not like Obasanjo, he was still one of them. He was their son who, they remember, had once tilted electoral fortunes to Shehu Shagari, a northerner instead of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, their hero, mentor and sage of no mean repute.

They tolerated Obasanjo and were forced, by circumstance, not of their making to accept his leadership, however, grudgingly. Not even the most loquacious critics of him could resist the lure of power when one after the other, prominent sons of Yorubaland began to be identified with the OBJ administration. No wonder, when one of them became intransigent and incommodious, he was told in plain language, that “after all, we invited you to come and chop.”

Some, such as Bola Ige, Professor Ransome-Kuti, Fani-Kayode, Ebenezer Babatope and the head of the Afenifere, Abraham Adesanya or his representatives, went a step further, to accept to work in his cabinet. They did not grudge, anymore, when the dividends of democracy began to rain in the southwest region of the land. Juicy contracts for the sons of Yoruba soil; petro chemical industries, good motorable roads, power plants, the inclusion of Ondo as an oil producing state and so on were some of the visible dividends which Obasanjo, the rejected stone that turned out to be the cornerstone, came to symbolize for the Yoruba.

Things moved on well, or so it seemed till the election year of 2003. It was the year, which the cohesive and seemingly impregnable Yoruba monolithic voting trend came to a surprising halt. And the man behind it all was no other, than, their own son, General Olusegun Obasanjo, president and commander-in-chief of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Soon after the 2003 general elections, I wrote a piece in Nigeriaworld.com suggesting that Yoruba nationalism had been mortally wounded.

That article was inspired by the events of the day and the political climate of the time - the total political annihilation of the old and reincarnated western Nigerian politics of immediate past by the OBJ well-oiled new political machine. I saw the literal pressgang of the west into the mainstream of Nigeria politics whether by hook or crook as the only way forward for Nigeria, should it ever wish to attain thorough nationhood. Before that election, every governor that ruled in the Southwest belonged to the Alliance for Democracy - AD. It is important too, to observe that from pre-independence Nigeria to post civil war Nigeria, the trend had remained so.

Before the 2003 election, Chief Bola Ige had been killed in a very mysterious circumstance. Before his killing, it had been rumored that the Cicero who was the Attorney General and Minister for Justice and a very important member of the Obasanjo cabinet had planned to quit to enable him return to the political trenches in the south west in preparation to defending his political home turf - against the insurgent PDP. His death fueled the speculation, that he may have been eliminated by the powers that be in order to enable the master planners, who eventually conquered the rascally, radically, stubbornly, politically- sophisticated south west, have unfettered access to the vote rich and independent-minded people of the area for the ruling party - the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP).

It was also rumored that Chief Bola Ige, whose towering image in the South west was everyday beginning to be compared to that of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, had sworn that another political party would have access to the south west only over his dead political body. He was therefore ready to quit the Obasanjo cabinet instead of being seen as an instrument that would give verve to the conquest of his people, politically speaking.

Unfortunately, it was over Bola Ige's dead political body that the greatest electoral heist was foisted on the people of his beloved region. The man who was behind that annihilation was no other but Aremu Olusegun Obasanjo. Iyiola Omisore who was believed to be complicit in the death of Bola Ige was in detention when the elections were held. He won. He became the first man in Nigerian history to win an election from prison. Thereafter, he was in the Nigerian Senate for two terms. The story was also told of how, Obasanjo had cajoled and deceived the incumbent governors of the south west, who had ruled on the platform of the Alliance for Democracy (AD), to urge the SW populace to vote for their son, OBJ, in the presidential elections.

That year, unlike this year, the presidential elections, I think came first before the gubernatorial and the national assembly. Having obeyed their son, in whom they were beginning to be well pleased, OBJ, true to his marchiavillian style rigged the South west governors out en masse, after he had secured his own seat.

Thus my celebration in exhilaration in the article: Yoruba Nationalism mortally wounded. I had believed that Yoruba being in the mainstream of Nigerian politics will blurt and or erase politics of ethnicity, tribe and or tongue in Nigeria. I had hoped that beginning from 2003, Nigerians who mix up because of political associations would be the cornerstone of a new Nigeria. I had hoped that radical Yoruba elements at the national assembly would make the type of progressive laws that they had been used to in their region since the era of Chief Awolowo.

I had believed that there would be, within months, free education at all levels -everywhere in Nigeria. I had hoped that justice would begin to prevail in Nigeria. With Femi Falana, Gani Fawehinmi, Akintola Williams, and all those legal luminaries, it would be a new dawn in Nigeria's troubled judicial system. I had hoped that Nigeria would begin to experience cultural renaissance. I had hoped that from the ashes of stubborn Yoruba nationalism would rise true Nigerian nationalism. Looks like I was wrong. For my wish, now, seems to be evaporating. I am in real pains.

Firmly entrenched, it had been very difficult for the people of the region, to get their political groove back from the ruling party. But for Lagos State and the intervention of the judiciary, it would have surely been a different ball game.

Do not be surprised. I had hailed OBJ then, lavishly. I had hailed him because I sincerely believed and still believe that because Nigeria was transiting from a prolonged military dictatorship to a democracy, the nation needed a benevolent dictator to stabilize the polity. I had given classic examples where soldier turned politicians had secured stability in their lands with a style reminiscent to mild dictatorship. I had had Brazil in mind.

I had Mexico as another classic case and even Argentina. I had pictured Ethiopia before getting closer home - to West Africa with Ghana's Rawlings being my alibi. Rawlings transmuted to civilian president. He ruled Ghana with iron fist for over 20 years during which period he straightened the country. I had wanted OBJ to do same for Nigeria - through whatever methods. The end ought to justify the means. The man, Obasanjo almost succeeded.

Folks, let's put it into stronger perspective. Nigeria, under Obasanjo recorded monumental progress in every field of human endeavor. It was during OBJ's time that our stock market soared to international respectable standards. It was during OBJ's reign that our banks began to compete with their foreign counter parts. Yes, OBJ as a man may not be photogenic and may not have been well liked by his people, but he had the vision, fortitude and foresight required of a leader with some progressive philosophical dispositions to hire men and women of integrity who fired the economic engine of the Nigeria of his time.

It was during OBJ's time that the nation's foreign reserve went stratospheric. It was during his time that we negotiated our way out of huge foreign debt. It was during his time that Nigerians in the Diaspora remitted millions and millions of foreign currency into the Nigeria economy. OBJ's era saw the resurrection of the disappearing middle class.

He almost leveled the playing field between the civilian middle class and their military counterparts including their apologists that had dominated the nation's political and economic life.

Was it any surprise then, that during, OBJ's reign, there was economic boom, political stability and a seeming onward march to total redemption. Was it any surprise? It is noteworthy that all the gains, achieved by OBJ, were wiped out within one year of Yar'Adua's reign. What we gained instead was a bogus concept known as rule of law typified by the even more drastic Michael Aondoakaa who applied the concept to fit his ignoble political plots.

Before the conquest of the West, politically speaking, the man OBJ had conquered the seemingly unconquerable North. He removed their emirs and replaced them at will. He stood against the implementation of Sharia codes in some parts of the country. He relocated the headquarters of the NPA which had been relocated from coastal Lagos to arid Abuja. He had stopped the irrational allocation of oil to every comer at Aso Rock.

He had disciplined his mates so much that they began to gang up against him, his person and his administration.[size=15pt] He had made a mumu of the South East[/size], which was still wriggling under the hangover of Biafra misadventure. He turned South Easterners into card-carrying members of his party. They obeyed his command without question. It was thus a feat of no mean proportion, I reasoned, for OBJ to get the South West into the mainstream of Nigerian politics. OBJ almost succeeded. Had he gotten the much despised and misunderstood third term, perhaps, Nigeria, painfully would have secured stability and prosperity - concurrently.

To be concluded next week.

^^^

ICU nurse

Good for you Blazay!

ndu_chucks:
You are making a lot of sense here. My participation in talks about spliting Nigeria has been minimal these days for I consider those talks, an academic exercise and nothing more. I've also observed that it has become an exotic topic particularly for our brothers who reside in diaspora. Here in Nigeria, no one is seriously considering that option. No one has the apetite to deal with the implications of spliting the country or even trying to split the country.

A necessary first step towards spliting the country is the convening of a "national conference".  All the presidential candidates who promised to convene such a conference were rejected. The people of Nigeria do not want to split the country. We are better off managing regional crisis than spliting the country when a majority of Nigerians is not interested in doing so.

@ekt_bear, why negotiate for any of the oil in the ND region? If you want to split, let them carry their oil resources and go. The off-shore oil is what must be negotiated, any arrangement which calls for 100% control of that oil by the coastal aread in less that 300years, is dead on arrival.

You are so wrong. People do want to split. The topic was not adequately dealt with. if it was debated and throughly discussed, you'd be shocked at the number of people who would be FOR it. To claim that people were rejected on that basis, is just being stupidddd. The election wasnt even credible, so how would you know?

ekt_bear:
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Err, I'm not quite a socialist. I'm not sure about centralized health care, but universal health care is certainly a must-have. Free public school . . . well, I agree on the free part. Public schools aren't really the best way to efficiently spend money while meeting educational objectives. I prefer private schools + voucher system to public schools. Let the FG come up with the money, set the standards and testing, and let private industry run the schools.
Totally agree. Though I think that this is already sort of happening. . . urbanization+intermarriage+Yoruba language/culture weakening local ones has really helped a lot. Anyway, definitely ban it. Society shouldn't care about LGA of origin, religion, etc. All of that is private stuff.

I am glad SEFAGO waded in to offer his own token. I really dont think your idea will work in the 'new SW.'  Anything short of socialism will most likely fail at this point . Like SEFAGO posited, The Welfare State is the best for us, at least at this moment; Big Government so to speak. The Welfare State is one in which the state through a host of different  services tries to raise the standard of living of the population and help the people to meet the various troubles that they have to pass through. It is better as  it guarantees parliamentary democracy and respects the private ownership of the means of production although some means of production may have to be nationalized to secure the smooth running of the modern state.  For instance, MTN in the new Odua state would have to be nationalized. Nationalization here is being used loosely to mean either acquisition by the state or assisted acquisition by the state on behalf of Nigerians, to be headed by a Nigerian or Nigerians in the form of PPP. The kind of profit MTN makes should not  be allowed to leave Nigeria under any circumstance.  My main issue is that we need to carry everyone along and exploit the talent that is inheretnt in everyone, as long as they are from the SW. The welfare state would not only mitigate poverty, ignorance, and disease but also abolish them completely and guarantee a minimum standard of life below which no citizen will be allowed to fall. Capitalist on the other hand thrives on the fear of the people, and in a way, uses a certain segment of the population for the betterment of an elitist group.

The only place I disagree with my younger brother, SEFAGO, is the issue of education. I get his point, but I dont think everyone should be forced to send their wards to public schools. A great public system should be built, but people should still have the freedom to send their schools to private schools if they want. Lets face it, Government, not just in Nigeria, dont do a great job when it comes to education. And, anyone who wants better or worse for their children should be at Liberty to do so. Government shouldnt try to micromanage private lives.

On healthcare, I think Universal health care = Centralized health care if I understand both of una correctly.The concept is the same, not sure of implementation though.

In the final analysis, your 'pump-in-as-much-money-as-possible' method aint gonna fly in the 'new Odualand.' It would be counterproductive and in the long run result in political servitude to external forces.  Something I so desperately want to avoid. Nothing good comes out of being controlled by Shell et al. They never have your best interest.

Nadanbata:
Loool if you got money and ride in Honda then sure why not. If the Hausa girl is in Abuja or Lag lols. But you cant be rolling to no 'mallams' house seeking his daughter for marry Maybe if you convert to Islam and buy him a set of Cows though we can start discussion

But Hausawa really only marry Muslims. The men marry outside though no problem but still muslims. But the girls its usually a mallam for her , For the rich girls however its "who be your fada?"

what about the educated middle-class? they should be open-minded, No? People like Amina Az-Zubair?

BTW, is she married to a mallam? Do you know?

OAM4J:
Whao! so we have to break it down to LGAs. Dont know how feasible that will be. Not also sure how it will work, that will only aid urbanization of some LGAs I think.

And what happens to your Ekiti, Oshun and Oyo States? send them back to farm? Some mechanized farming I guess  

It is called federalism, each Local Government should be autonomous in its own sphere, independent of, and coordinate with or equal to all
other governments in the Federation, my dear.

Each person in charge of his destiny

That said, with regards to economy/revenue, that is a totally different department entirely. So mechanized farming or no mechanized farming, when we get there, we will cross the bridge.

Nadanbata:
Lol na theres no 'fierce' resistance to Christianty, Islam is the religon it will not change haha.

Dont mind her.

She is a Latvian disguising as Nigerian.

She is a scammer I think.

Be careful ok?

OAM4J:
It is one of the reason[b] I also support regional parties controlling their regions so we will only come to the center to negotiate. Imagine ACN in charge of SW, APGA in charge of SE, CPC in charge of the North and PDP fin charge of  SS and NC, we will be closer to true federalism than having PDP in charge of 28 states out of 36.[/b]

So you are in favor of Tribalism?

Jenifa_:
yorubas and igbos are less protective/defensive of their traditional culture. yes

Very wrong. DO us all a favor and do a literature serch on why the White man was succesful in Western and Eastern Nigeria Vs Northern Nigeria (if there was anything like that).

and if you re-read my post you will see that I didn't make any moral value judgements on the comment.

It is called inductive reasoning my Latvian friend. From your statement, I was able to make a rational conclusion that, by and large, is true. If you are stupidd and cant put two and two together to make four, that is your problem, not mine. I am not here to school you on Nigeria. I am not phoocking you, so I have no obligation whatsoever to be nice to you. I will call you out every time you act and make foolish statements here. As you can tell, a lot of people have taken notice.

I'm not sure if you deliberately chose a clownish personality for yourself on NL. but I think you ought to have a little bit of self-respect.

First of all, I have never misrepresented myself. I drink, eat, and breath Nigeria. You on the other hand havent been honest about yourself and your true aim on this forum. Anyone who lies, would eventually steal, so says an African proverb. You are here to warm your way into the hearts of unsuspecting forumites so you can carry out your true motive, which is scamming. I have no doubt in my mind that you are a phony, nothing more and nothing less.

If you have any decency in you, you will desist from lying and misrepresenting yourself here. Talking about self-respect, from a Nigerian wanna-be Latvian? What will my eyes not see here? LOL

OAM4J:
You are forgetting a fact that our population size is still a plus for us. For instance, our market size attracts foreign investments. Besides there is beauty in our diversity.

If this is all about population size as you have poorly articulated, why is the US not trying to bring Mexico and Canada into the 'Union?' Afterall, that would make the 'amalgalmated union of the US, canada, and Mexico' more diverse and more beautiful,  going by your thinking.

Tell me, will you prefer US as it is or do you think each state will fair better on its own?

The reason the US works is because they have a clear majority that decides the direction of the 'union.' White power constitute 70% of the population. They run everything( from media to education to policy to pop culture to government to  name it),  and you either have to fall in line or fall out. In Nigeria, it is different. We dont have a clear majority, hence the reason for the chaos and constant acrimony. The only solution is to break the effing country into pieces already. Let us find our way and chart our future.

This is no US and we will never be peaceful like the US.

ekt_bear:
What practical difference is there between that and splitting up? Why not just divide? They are the same thing. . . except you have to deal with an additional layer of bureaucracy at the center.

Why not cut out that additional layer?

I agree.

Lets wait for OAM4J to defend himself.


Maybe he would post another article by Sanusi to defend himself.

:::SMH:::

Sanusi ko, Lamido ni

Jenifa_:
Nadanbata, you know I wish there were more hausas on nairaland. your comments are definitely welcome.
hausas live in the worst poverty in nigeria so it makes sense that this is about resources. besides poverty, what else do you think is a problem?

[size=18pt]hausas are much more conservative than the rest of nigeria and very protective of their culture.[/size] Even the british were barred from bringing chrsitian missionaries to the north talkless of them tolerating southern christians.

i'm assuming you are muslim. what is your opinion of southern christians in the north?

So Yorubas and Igbos are not proud of their culture, in your opinion, that is why they embraced western education?  So being close minded and lacking foresight = Being more conservative?

Interesting indeed.

Jenifa_:
what do you mean by "they"?
you mean the 25 million hausa population or a couple of disgruntled rioters?

[size=18pt]MEND had their own violent outbursts too[/size]. why aren't Niger Deltans labelled as barbaric?
obviously there is ethnic sentiments involved and we are not thinking rationally. let us try to reason logically and understand our issues other wise, free free to find another thread  (there are tons of them already) to express your angry emotions.

That statement proves that you 'aint' Nigerian. Sorry I just have to point it out.

You call MEND's agitation for resource control 'violent outbursts?'

You are really daft indeed. Maybe its time for you to go back to Latvia, where you really belong. Your understanding of Nigeria is very limited, almost Zero frankly.

The internet is not Nigeria. If you really want to understand Nigeria, you need to go live there, at least for a day.

Just because your BF is Nigerian, does not give you the audacity to make bold erroneous assertions, borne out of ignorance and the desire to be regarded as an authority, on Nigerian issues.

Too much talk, very little action


I hail Odechukwu.

GEJ is a big mumu. Very daft guy