Virick: At the end of the day, the most pertinent question of all is: "whence cometh your source of information about Mugabe??" CNN? ah-ha!
Whether this is all true or not is not half as important as the need to re-evaluate what you, personally, call your 'truth'. I don't know about u folks, but i have never been to Zim before, still, i'll be comatose before i allow the Mainstream Media tell me what to think, and how to think about any matter as they tell blatant lies about much on this planet 95% of the time.
Perhaps any of u would like to discuss ur personal experiences of ur visit to Zim.
The folks of almight Uhmerika also lack choices when it comes to voting, dont they andrewza?? Is one of 2 choices (parties) "a real choice??" Ur arguments lack merits where already existing precedents are concerned.
Is that u talking from KNOWING or is that ur Ego?
Yes, the authour must be talking about the same elections. Currency value is a bankster game and not a true means of assessing the situation in Zim which may be fully contrary to what is being spouted by the Zionist controlled MSM.
Anyone with experiental info to share?
Thanks.
My source is speaking to zimbawens who fled to SA. And due to econmics but fear of mugaby. May be you should speak to them before you make assumpstions.
USA has more than 2 polictacal parties. Just the other once are so small they of no value or worth. But the people have a choice and they choice 2 stike with rep of dem. But they made the choice.
Zims elecstion had many ekegralties like 500 voters all living in a field. Yep ghost voters sine of a democorcy.
agaugust: i have corrected you many times, nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol aircrafts is the best in africa and one of the best and most sophisticated in the world today, the radar range if NOT 185km, it is 330km and that means the two aircrafts can radar search/track/locate any ship or vessel in all nigerian territorial waters within 10 minutes of flight and they can fly 9 hours each endurance. one can search with its powerful radar, the other comes to replace it in 8 hours, thus nigeria can find all enemy ships at 24 hours round the clock operations. the whole nigerian coastline is just about 800km, we have enough air power to monitor it easily.
ATR-42 Surveyor is also armed with a gun/cannon for light combat.
nigerian ATR-42 also has very advanced electronic warfare detection, prevention, and analysis capability and also a multi-mission electronic pod.
Fixed-Wing Search-and-Rescue in Italy – Equipping Italian Airframes with Italian Systems
As responsibility for primary search and rescue in Italy falls to the Guardia Costiera (the Italian Coast Guard), it makes sense that ATR's patrol variant has been chosen for that service. The aircraft – the ATR 42 MP (Maritime Patrol) is fitted with mission systems almost entirely made in Italy by other subsidiaries of Alenia's owner, the state- controlled Finmeccanica SpA. The ATR 42 MP carries belly radar, an E/O turret, a searchlight, plus a "multi-purpose" pod.
Visually, the ATR 42 MP Surveyor is distinguished from the airliner by fuselage hardpoints and observation bubble windows. On the starboard fuselage hardpoint is the 80-to-100 candlepower searchlight – behind which is a Galileo EOST-23 E/O turret mounted in the rear of the starboard undercarriage. On the port fuselage hardpoint is the multi-purpose pod.
A surface- search radar (with a range of 330 km) is belly-mounted.
SAR survival packs are stored inside the cabin aft of the port observation window and launched through the air-openable portside door. Palletized equipment (and access for major equipment changes) is via a forward port cargo door.
The ATR 42 Surveyor, also known as the ATR 42 MP, is a derivative of proven ATR 42 commercial aircraft developed to conduct maritime patrol missions and coastal surveillance. It can load the wide spectrum of equipment required to conduct that kind of missions such as radar, FLIR, TV camera, Electronic Support Measures (ESM), Communications and Navigation systems. In addition, bubble panoramic windows have been provided to the Surveyor for optimal visual observation of the environment.
The ATR 42 Surveyor can remain on station for up to 8 hours at 200 nautical miles from its base airfield. To do so, the aircraft cruises at low loiter speed which facilitates target detection and tracking while it can change to higher speed at any time. The Italian Customs service ordered two ATR 42 MP and the Italian Coast Guard an undisclosed number of airplanes to protect Italy's Economic Exclusive Zone (EEZ).
try not to under estimate enemy weapons so that you can live after the war !
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Can i get a source on that radar range, the links i posted to agree and non of your links agree.
How long do you think they can maintain a 24 watch. and to get a 24 hour watch you will only be able to have 1 in the air at a time.
No source say nigeria ATR42 are armed, not to mention it a easy target for a 76mm if it try to come in that close.
ESM only works if the other guy uses his radar, why would we use our radar unless we no we already detected. we could even use a lynx as a radar thus giving us the benfit of a radr with out the risk of decstion
I am while awar that the ATR42 is a good MPA but you seem to think 2 is enough to grant 100% coverage, after 1 or 2 weeks of that heavy use in following ghosts like you want them to and you going to ground them or risk a accdent
Demswear4u?: Are you saying it will take a miracle to fix our electricity sector or what are you saying? Our electricity is actually undergoing a holistic fix by the world biggest electricity companies ,its only a matter of time before our electricity problem becomes a thing of the past. 10,000MW should be enough to kickstart the economy. Secondly,those engines and stuff you listed are no big deal. Nigerians can manufacture those,especially when electricity becomes stable. Thirdly,Nigeria is a far more attractive investment destination than SA. Even the FDI inflow into africa is a proof. Once electricity is fixed,those companies will move into Nigeria and set up plants there, to serve the huge W.africa and central african markets.
Really you will still be far behind SA then and we have a smaller population.
I don't see nigeria producing anything at that level.
remove all FDI for south africa and SA is the largest contributor to FDI in africa. Basically the investors you speak of south african.
SA already covers the west and central african market and the east not to forget north and south.
any gist on your boys' venture to DRC? i heard they've finish training and have deployed. any word or pics?
No pics but it 1350 solders
1 infantry battalion(includes your single intlgiance, eltronic itengiance, extra extra) airborne/sf company engineer company
air support is at least 2 rooivalk and least 4 orxy helicopters. Though with that the SANDF has not said much. There are reports of 2 rooivalk in DRC though and we have had orxy helicopters there for some time.
The total brigade will be 3000. though only SA and tanzania have deployed so far.
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contribute in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
you have shown your self to be a big man than many
chris365: swear that this isn't better than yours.
SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE BARRACKS ROTTING AWAY
Appalling conditions at some police barracks are contributing to the lack of morale in the South African Police Service and affecting the ability of the men and women in blue tasked with ensuring law and order in the country.
One of the police housing units that Anchen Dreyer, the Democratic Alliance’s Shadow Minister of Public Works, visited was last year declared a health and safety hazard.
“It could easily house at least 100 families but is now illegally occupied by drug dealers and prostitutes,” she said after seeing the run-down condition of Excelsior Court.
The Berea Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which houses the east coast harbour city’s police detective branch, has a leaking roof and rotting carpets.
“The building is also infested with bird lice from pigeons nesting in the roof,” she said.
She will submit questions to Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi via the portfolio committee after seeing Natalia Court Barracks where police officers have to live with raw sewage seeping through rusted and broken pipes.
This particular police barracks was on the 2012 maintenance list but no work has yet been started due to insufficient funds, she said.
“The overall impression is that Public Works is literally leaving at least some barracks in the Durban area to rot.
“Creating better living conditions for our policemen and women is essential to improving the morale of our police service. They should be treated with dignity, not left to live in squalor,” Dreyer said.
Apart from the three Durban police accommodation and offices police facilities in Carletonville, the old Marshall Street Barracks in Johannesburg and Randfontein’s old Home Affairs building are also in a sorry state.
“All have been largely demolished by vandals and are completely uninhabitable," she said.
chris365: my fellow Nigerians, before i go, let me leave you with this important information i was keeping for myself.
The SA National Defence Force is on the verge of collapse.
With dwindling budgets, an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff and reduced spending on training and equipment, the defence force - according to military experts - can barely meet its constitutional obligations.
Increasing international demands and frequent internal deployments - such as the recent presidential announcement of the deployment of hundreds of troops on crime fighting operations over the next four months - is putting further strain on the already overstretched armed services.
The army has nearly 2000 troops on peacekeeping missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and military trainers in the Central African Republic and the DRC.
The defence force has military observers deployed under the AU and UN flags in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The navy has a frigate, and air force personnel and aircraft, in the Mozambican channel and Mozambique deployed on anti-piracy operations.
Military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the defence force was now collapsing.
"We have huge sections of the budget spent on salaries, with equipment and training left lacking. We are hopelessly short on manpower - 20000 troops too few - and porous borders that cannot be guarded properly," he said.
"We have pilots who can't fly [sufficient] hours, troops who have been given limits on the amount of ammunition they can use in training, and equipment, such as our frigates, which cannot be maintained because there is no proper budget.
"The defence force is collapsing. If drastic action is not taken soon, in the next three years it will be beyond recovery."
The Defence Department received just over R34-billion last year from the Treasury. Its current budget of R37-billion is expected to increase to R39-billion in the 2013-2014 financial year. Professor Renfrew Christie, dean of research at the University of Western Cape, said the military's budget needed a drastic increase.
"We spend 1% of our gross national product on defence. We need a military capable of looking after our country with the time now coming to increase spending to 2% of GDP," Christie said. "To do our duty, we need a bigger and better equipped military. The option of downscaling our involvement north of our borders is not an option.
"Protecting our country and its borders is far bigger than just putting up fences," he said.
Retired admiral Chris Bennett, the former naval chief of staff, said the massive "poaching" of technical staff had led to numerous crises in the navy.
"Our military, especially on the technical side, is being bled dry by both public and private industries, as well as by foreign militaries.
"Though the navy until now has managed to stay afloat, things are beginning to bite," he said.
it has occurred to me that we have been arguing with a weak country that pretends to portray itself has being strong. this is the main reason why seleka used their soldiers as target practice, and are about to be served as brunch to M23 rebels in DRC.
how can this kind of military take on Nigerian military with shiny weapons they have no personnel for? i'll leave you to have your say from the article.
Some points to remember.
One we have never denied we have problems.
2 our budget is larger than nigerias. We spend 60% of our budget on personal nigeria spends 80%
And the big one is, it is a 2012 artical. Writen before the new budget. While we still underfunded it is no longer critcal.
chris365:SA police officers caught on tape taking bribes, performing sexual act (WATCH)
A South African policeman has been caught on video accepting money from a man on whom a policewoman then performs a sexual act for money. The 20-minute video was recorded in a parking lot near the East Rand Mall, in Boksburg, at 3 a.m. on Saturday, and a copy was sent to police Thursday, Beeld reported.
The video allegedly shows a bribe taking place, followed by a policewoman unzipping a motorist’s pants and performing a sex act on him. “The content of the video is very disturbing and has warranted the management to take immediate action in terms of the SA Police Service (SAPS) disciplinary code,” said the police’s Brigadier Neville Malila, City Press reported. “Internal disciplinary processes are under way, as prescribed by the regulations and policies of the SAPS.” He said the officers were suspended Friday.
Gauteng provincial commissioner Lt. Gen. Mzwandile Petros said there was no place for corrupt police officers in the service. “The message was clear since 2010: If you are corrupt, leave the service or you will be arrested, but leaving the service will also not stop us from arresting you.”
South Africans are frustrated with the country’s police force, widely perceived as corrupt and incompetent. Most shocking have been the recent incidents of brutality and violence, including the dragging death of Mozambican taxi driver Mido Macia in February, and the police shootings of 34 people during a wildcat strike at the Lonmin platinum mine last year.
An official inquiry into the mine incident is continuing. There has also been trouble at the highest echelons of the police service, with the previous two national police commissioners both fired from their jobs — one of them for dodgy property deals, while the other was sentenced to 15 years in jail after being found guilty of taking bribes from a convicted drug dealer.
In 2011, 630 police officers were arrested in Gauteng province alone, mostly for fraud and corruption, the Globe and Mail reported. Here is a portion of the video from Beeld, allegedly showing the bribe and the policewoman with the motorist.
so what is craigB bragging about when their police is far worse than NPF?
It shows that unlike NPF SAPS takes acstion. There have been a number of stings and arrests where corrupt cops have been arrested. In nigeria nothing happens.
patriot4: So to you beating a man who is already almost dead and then asking a civilian to help you load the man in your truck and then beating that civilian for being too compassionate for the almost dead man is "a little bit of force". Yet you were saying one Nigerian soldier was a monster for making a man do frog jump. You are the biggest hypocrit ever.
Are you a medical doctor. There was nothing medicaly wrong with the guy. He refused to stand up. Unlike the guy doing the frog jump this was some one arrested for a crime.
patriot4: Nigerian police does peace keeping all over the world. What does your police do ? You are a laughing stock. The Nigerian police being the biggest in Africa, it takes more money to fund it, that is why some accademies like the one you saw was the way it was, but right now it has been upgraded to first world standards and so have the remaining affected accademies. The US has one of the biggest armies in the world, and that is why there are more abuses in that army than in most of the other armies in the world (except South Africa), yet they are still the best, aren't they ? The Nigerian police has been to Somalia, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Mali, and so on. What has your police ever done ?
Nigeria has the biggest poliece force due to the larger populastion. How ever I bielve we have the highest per capita. SAPS have all so done peace keeping missions. SA spends more on it's poliecse force than nigeria.
Saps is far from a joke and sa crime has been on a steady decline.
In the first one all involved have crmnal cases against them and will serve jail time. The seconded is not brutalty. The fool was uncompritve so the cop had to use a bit of force.
patriot4: I READ THAT REPORT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, it fits people who do not know the difference between police and army. And second of all, there are a lot of reports which have been coming out, many contradicting each other and many are sponsored by boko haram and its partners. If terrorists can't beat you in the battle field then they will beat you in the papers. And let us not forget the sectional media financed by politicians who want to destroy the current government's image. I thought you were a knowledgeable person. Get up to speed.
Jtf is a joint task force. It all so menstions solders murdring and kidnaping people.
agaugust: if your d.ull b.rain thinks nigerian defence pact with ukraine is to get help of ukrainian soldiers for a 170 million people nation of nigeria, then see your p.sychiatrist/d.octor as soon as possible.
that pact guarantees urgent and timely arms sales in war emergency, sure will cover SU-27 jets sales from existing stock with mercenary pilots to support F-7 jets for nigeria in emergency, nigeria did it with russia against b.iafra in war, and eritrea did it with ukraine against ethiopia in recent 1998-2000 badme war, about 10 Mig 29 jets and SU-27 jets complete with ukrainian mercenary pilots in few months of war starting, all paid for in dollars by eritrea.
real qualified countries military commanders have a smart way of making your copy and paste ranking to become f00lish in real war. try go back to school a little bit more and upgrade
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So you going to get forghin air crafts flown by forgine pilots. What you don't think any country with the capital can do that. You don't need a defense pact to buy air craft fast, just money nore do you need a defense pact for mercs. Just money.
Any milltary that relies on mercs to win there wars is weak.
You complian I post old news yet you are for ever recyling the same bull story that we have shown to be wrong. Why don't you post what the rebels say in the artical where that photo comes from.
Donian007: Andreza and his recycling with rag tag magazines. We have dealt with these issues in previous pages and its quite a shame that you have refused to be enlightened and corrected. The funny thing is that none of these writers can provide proof of their reports as none of them have ever been to the hot zones, on the other hand the military have taken some local and foreign media to the hot zones to see for themselves. Premium Times, BBC, Sahara Reporters, Aljazeera, Guardian UK can keep up the lies but it takes a complete fool to rely on these. Andrewza stand corrected.
If you had bother to read the report you would have seen this
"Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other campaign groups have made similar allegations over the past three years, but it was unusual to see them in a report compiled by a government organization."
Oh yes, I forgot that I was meant to answer an F-7 question posed by agaugust. Your famous Nigerian beegeagle listed what the F-7 has quite nicely. I was interested in this part.
British Type 226 Skyranger radar: Ranging radar that weigh 41 kg with a range of 15 km.
And then you say Nigeria purchased PL9 missiles with a range of 22km. If this is true (and I'm starting to doubt that this is true), then your Generals deserve to be laughed at. Not only will F-7 jets probably get shot out of the sky before they pick up any enemy aircraft, they can only fire their missiles at almost half their maximum range.....which was my original point. P.S no other sources except the Nigerians on this blog claim that your F-7's can fire PL9 missiles.
And no the F-7's were not produced in 2008 like you claim. There is a difference between produce and procured. The Nigerian F-7's are slightly modified versions of the F-7M Airguard, a 1980's era aircraft. Which aircraft produced in 2008 still uses "rolls of film" and has a 15km radar range? Stop lying to yourself.
Iss confirms they do have pl9c. How ever with out a data link sytem it does not matter if they have a 100000 km rang radar. Their plc are operting in the short range mode.
How ir aams achiev there long range these days is by geting the target on radar then fire the aam and guide it through a data link till it is in range of it's ir seeker head.
all4naija:How is it irrelevant when the thread is about who has the strongest military in Africa? I am just weighing into the disadvantages of SA military as to why Nigerian military is stronger. It means you cannot relate with what I am talking about with regard to the thread topic.
But niether sa or nigeria are currently larg enough. Both have the populastion to get a milltary that size so your comparsin is incorrect.
souldust: an ADC is an odlay (not sure the spelling but you should know it)
@all, why is it that there has never being a field marshal in the nigerian army. And also, its equivalent in the navy and airforce?
Have you had a field marshal in SA army before? And also, its equivalent in the navy and airforce?
Do we currently have Generals in the Nigerian army? I ask this becos, Ihejirika is a Lt. General Hope i am not irritating you with my questions? If i am, then i appologize
Ok I under stand. And I don't know if zuma has one from the milltary. And if he did any officer would do(though a senori officer is a better opstion). Ii not like the guy is euning the milltary. My first boss was once the aid of the minster of defense (1980s) and he was a chief petty oiffercer then.
Last sa field marshal was during ww2. The orgonistional structer of the sa milltary post ww2 did not have a need for one.
O and it is sea marshal and air marshal. And no only ever had field marshals.
Typcaly a milltary the size of nigeria will only have one full genrail or admarial. He is the chief of defense. Over all in charge of all branches. Typical it is army genrail since they the supperor servis. Though sa did have a full admrail once has chief of defense.
souldust: i heard some students argueing about who can and cannot be an ADC to the president. All of the boys said the president's ADC must be a coloniel but one said a coloniel cant be an ADC. OBJ's ADC was a coloniel (oh, that handsome man, he is late!) same as yar'adua. But GEJ's ADC is a major. So whats the real thing? Is it right for a coloniel to be an ADC or not?
According to the boy who said coloniels cant be ADC, OBJ is a mad man!; that he could have even taken a general to be his ADC. So i dont know whats right here may be you guys can enlighten me.
Also i want SAns to tell us how all i have said and asked apply to SA. Does your president have an army ADC? Can a coloniel be his ADC (if that rank is in your army)?
What is a ADC? Yes we have the same ranks Coloniel is one under becoming a genrial. The guy could be due for promostion.
Henry120: Platoon, I think a platoon is about 12-44 soldiers. Led by a lieutenant.
A battallion is about 970-1100 troops
A brigade is a full military structure. 5,000 troops, Commanded by colonel. Eg airborne brigade, amphibious forces brigade, special forces brigade, mechanised or armoured brigade.
Division= headed by a GOC ( general officer commander) is in charge of all the brigades in his sector. For example, HQ 1 division in kaduna, 82 division in enugu is the headquarters of all the brigades in the south south and south east.
A battalion is always led by a person in the rank of a general and above.
Is a battlion not run by a colonel in nigeria?
And to add a company is 100 to 150 in size and run by a captain.
souldust: is the navy and airforce pretty much the same?
No.
A battlion is a unit. A ship is a unit. Both are led by a seniro officer(for the most part). Diffrenc is that a ship can have a crew of a 100 and be run by a captian and a battlion of 1000 can be run by colonel
Enjoy your floating shacks in Naai-nice, the African Venice
wow he thought that he could pull india off has sa. just because we have the second largest indian polpulastion in the world does not mean we are india
agaugust: only a F00L like you will use a 3,300 ton ship as OPV in an african country that cannot maintain 26 Gripen jets. waste money, waste ships in a wrong role.
south african 50% poverty in CIA WORLD FACTBOOK is 2012 data, no 2013 data can be found in half year unless you dont want an annual runniing average, your economics is very poor dude.
T-Craft is south african, post its hull material and stop asking me, i post all bout nigerian weapons before i ask any person who dispute my posts to give his own source. i wont post my T-craft source if you dont post yours, i am very good at refusing to do F00LISH things to please south africans.
Did I say it was a OPV? No I said it can patrol in litorl waters in the same places has a OPV.
Can you read. It a 2000 est. Has in it is 13 years old and only a estmait.
You the one who said it was allmiunm. So where is your source to back up that cliam.
agaugust: it was not my 50%, its quoted by index-mundi directly from the CIA WORLD FACTBOOK that your fellow soldier @fighter pilot was boasting about as very reliable.
we are still waiting for source proof of your own 10% claim, blooooody liar white-man !
And they even say it is old data. So again debunked.
How about this. Show me proof that south african navy T-craft are made from allumien and I will amuses you with a respons.
agaugust: almost every military machine, ship, aircraft in the world can run on one engine if it has two. you scored zero in military academy.
show me source that says valour frigate is modular design for multi-roles from OPV, to Littoral combat, to Full frigate. it does not exist, you can say NNS ARADU too is a modular ship for OPV because it is MEKO design...you can also call C-130 hercules a light transport aircraft...you drunk with beer !
Did I say runing one engine was speciol? No I did not.
I showed some time ago how the the valour is modula. Amotola just retured from ant piricy where it had the extra boat davits. It can have wepaons swoped and sytem installed has needed. So yes the valour is modula
The meko 360 is modula in nature. But is not run has such. It's draught is lower than the meko 200 making litorl use more problomatic
Any war ship that has a shalow draught and enough manvorbilty can perfom littorl combat. The USN LCS on the other hand can not perfom regualer naval tasks. Such has fighting other ships. Hence valour makes the LCS look like a toy.
A c130 could carry light cargo but can not land in the same air fields that a light transport could land. So no.
show us proof of your fraudulent claim of 10% poverty in south africa, when did your country become better than France that has 13% poverty...you must be very craaaaaaaaazy !!!!!!
agaugust: your argument is F00LISH because america has a different and more modern classification and configuration for its modern warship, the south african classification is becoming out-dated in this modern age of naval warfare, valour frigate is NOT a modular warship that you can use for all mulit-roles from OPV to Littoral Combat to Frigate warfare.
america, china, and nigeria have gone modern to focus on building hundreds of modular warships that change roles perfectly, based on new threat and new situations. south africa has no modular warship. simple fact. swallow it.
The valour is a meko desghin. And thus modular. It can go where ever the LCS can go only it paks more fire power and is not a weak joke, it can run on 1 engine makeing it has econmical has a OPV.
If you don't kbow what you talking about it is best not to talk
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