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agaugust: after nigerian artillery roasts the south africa army, the few of them that remain will be used for our shooting practice.

south african artillery guns 120. niegrian artillery guns 660.

south african regular soldiers about 30,000. nigerian regular soldiers about 120,000.

who is ranking african countries military forces ? check out the above data....and only an army can occupy territory. navy sits in the sea and needs land harbour to replenish supply of food and fuel, air force needs a place to land before jet fuel finishes in the air !

the stronger army, is the stronger country.

Non of your guns can reach our guns, nore is your air force or air defense strong enough to defend them against a air defense.

CAR showed that our solders are more than able to hold the line.

And it 40 000 plus a rather active 10 000 reserve vs 100 000. Actualy useing the source used by wikpeadia nigerias army is only 60 000 strong.

drag_on: last time i heard about your subs they were in dry dock,esp after the accident of your last sub by incompetent sailors
one went down cause the sailors wrongly connected the batteries,the other was driven into the sea-bed.By the way you have not paid for them. http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/08/12/not-one-of-the-r8-billion-arms-deal-submarines-is-operational

Battary problem was done by a contarctor not a salor, and the one that bumped the seabed still sailed 1000km back to simmons town and was repared in 1 week, it then took part in war games. It turend out to be a result of a mechnical faluer not human.

This was done before when david meyer clamed in parlment than non of the subs were at sea while one had just arrivid in south amrica.

The subs are being run at a internastional standard one in three sytem. That is one at sea or short call up, one in minor refit or extended call up one in major over haul. It just so happened that the one that had the eltrcal short was due for a overhaule, the orginal damge was actualy repaired rather fast. It was only a circut breaker not all the eltronics.

GidiNaijaPikin: Prostitution is a big problem everywhere in the world. Did anyone force your SANDF troops to zip down? Most likely they patronised and refused to pay ... molestation and ra.pe is SA big problem. And your troops exported the trend to the DRC. Nigerian cops will never be as inhuman as your SAPS. What don't we understand about the 33% pass mark for matriculation exams?

has i said only 15 were found guilty of a crime and less than 10 were even accusssed of a a sexual crime. it works out to 0.6 percent. should we go back to posting you tube clips?

there is a agroget, yes you can pass a subgect on 33 percent but not a year. and if you get 33 percent no universty will accept you. and there is no one with that low marks in the SANDF. There is a exame you have to right before you may join the the defense force to see if you smart enough.

agaugust: post source of your claims and dont throw your minds imagination into our faces. post a source of those battles to prove exactly, your claims.

america and europe are NOT building any artillery of south african 75km range because it is a useless combat distance that wont win you a war.

south african army could not close-in on cuban army because you are cowards and did not want to die, all you wanted was to prevent cuba from entering south africa. your poor combat history is at work there again.

south african army did not charge forward and use your doctrine of mobility to assault the cuban enemy and engage in close range hand to hand combat. that is what an army is expected to do.

in the bush war, both south africa and cuba were a bunch of military dummies to laugh at. go see how nigeria and biafra close-in on each other for combat, biafra moved out of their territory and invaded nigeria and got to ore town heading for lagos reaching just 2 hours away from nigeria's capital city, before nigerian army counter attacked and made one of the bloodiest land battles in african history called "Oleku Ija Ore". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ore

stop posting things with no source, i am tired of it. dont be lazy. stop forcing your private ideas into our eyes. get sources to prove your claims.

when south africa got a better artillery range than cuba with your 75km GV6 guns, why did you not win the war with range advantage ?


nigerian army artillery firepower is 5 times superior to south africa and we will r.oast your weak army. period.

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I feel no need to waist my time look up things.

America went total air power route, and many western arty sytems have prety good range.

We did close in on them. But arty is not kept on the front lines.

We did not have the milltary power to ocuiepy angola we were able to sucfully prevent cuba from getting near nambia.

Well we never lost a battel in angola.


Why do I need to repost sources tgis has been coverd. And you call your self an expert so what I am talking about should be knowen to you. The fact you want a source proofes you are a liary and are not a expert.

agaugust: Palmaria mobile artillery gun

https://k07.kn3.net/48E0E0103.jpg

artillery guns do not get obsolete easily like jet fighters, they only have one job, target the enemy position and rain down shells on him. america, russia, china, india and NATO/europe are still operating the same artillery guns nigeria is using, many dated since about year 1980 till 2005.

when we are talking about artillery guns in africa, south africa should shut up ! who told you that artillery exchange combat are usually fought from long ranges 30km to 75km apart ? armies contest for land territory and always close-in on each other in engagement to capture territory.

show us war history where one country won artillery vs artillery combat because his guns have longer range. show us a source to prove that.

no army sits down and receives artillery shells on its head, if you have longer range, the enemy will bridge the gap and close in on you. that is why mobile artillery are built to run like a car on the land and in 20 minutes it closes the gap to hit you back. if you want to maintain range advantage you have to keep running backwards and then you are retreating, the enemy is capturing all the land in front of you and your army is losing the war already !

you south africans only copy and paste data, you dont know how real war operates.

why does great america, one of the most war experienced countries of the world build its year 1994 to 2002 purchased new modern Paladin mobile artillery gun with the same range of 24km/30km as nigerian army palmaria mobile artillery guns ? its because they know that the usual war distance between armies fighting is within that range, not the 75km apart that your south african GV6 gun is dreaming of. what was the distance between south african army in CAR and Seleka rebels ? were you 75km away ? Seleka captured the land, south africa ran away. would south africa have uses artillery on Seleka rebels already looking at you eye to eye from about 3km away when they were approaching you ?

only south africa is making noise about its 75km GV6 artillery range, why did the whole world not rush to buy the gun from DENEL in thousands since 1987 till now ? only about 150 units of the gun has been sold in 25 years to only 3 countries. all armies of the world know that in real land war that excess range is useless, no enemy will sit down that far away from you.

also, how do you know what target you are hitting from 75km away, you have no way of seeing the enemy positions in another end of the town. you just waste your artillery shells hitting a cassava farm land. the enemy is mobile, evasive and too far away.

how many artillery guns does south africa have ? about 43 of the long range GV6 to defend your huge country land of about 1.3 million sq km, south african army has a great shortage of artillery firepower, the worst among the top 5 military nations of africa, you are the worst in artillery firpower.


south african artillery guns total about 120 units

nigerian artillery guns total about 660 units

firepower of nigerian artillery gun is over 5 times that of south african artillery guns, nigerian army will totally wipe out south africa army in an artillery combat


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those who no nothing aka you should please not talk.

you really thing the advance is that easy. what if you advance gets stoped by say the enemy, now what. the side with the longer range guns will be able to shell the enemy, shell the enmey artlary and remian out of range of counter battary fire.

has for when it has hapend. well it hapend in angola first cuban guns out ranged our guns so we could not shoot back, then it was reverserd. all so vietnam were nva guns would out range most of the amercan guns letting them shell a Forward Firing Base.


once again you show your complet lake of knowlege on the subgect.

drag_on: @zaandrew yes wiki is not a source that is why i gave a collaborating source that shows sandf is short on training and manpower to require redeployment from artillery to infantry. your army is ill,short on numbers,poorly equiped cannot maintain its equipment (e.g. griffens) or train its personnel,again your fighter pilots dont have enough flight time to be air-worthy.The navy can barely go to sea and you have too high generals to soldier ratio.
THE SANDF is a midget compared to SADF and is below NA.It is easy to increase numbers but if you cant train and equip a few how can you when they are more?

I never saw that menstioned in the source.

The thing is you fail to see our benchmark. They not comparing it to african(aka nigerian stadards) nut to American and western europe. We still better off than any african country. Just think if we struggel with our budget how is nigeria copeing with a even smaller budget. It seems nigerian like going around say "all is well!" Well the city is buring around them. We have to few I IFV. But we still have around 600 in servis. Nigeria has around 40. That just one exampil.

Navy barly go to sea? We have had 5 diffrent ships at sea in the last 3 weeks. 2 of them frigats. So in 3 weeks we sailed half our frigats and one is in dry dock. So barly able to go to see my ass.

At best the NA is 100 000 SA army 40 000 with around 10 000 reserve forces. How wil NA increase it numbers. Remember if you say just train more that mean a budget increase. Somthing SA can do.

If you had actually read the artical you would see what it was about. The goverment wants to increase the defense budget but needs support to do this. Hence the defence review. If you want you could even read the defence review. Right now the SANDF budget is set from the old 1998 poilcie. That has the SANDF not do any external operastions at all and close down many branches. But the reality is difrent.

Henry120: Nigeria has 3 stretch variants. No african country has.

You can strech it all you want it still meduime lift.

solomon111: you don't have the funds or the equipments to carry out some major wars likewise Nigeria.
Your soldiers are not that well-trained and are very indisciplined and you don't even have enough men.
The few well trained ones are been poached by other countries.
The morals of your soldiers have been battered by that CAR operation.
Your army is already being weakened by the "soldiers union" who are most of the time responsible for the division and strife in your army.
And lastly,your generals are cretins.

We do. Sa is not at war so has no need to spend that much. But our total state budget dwafs nigeria.

They better trained than any other african army. Including nigeria(this is from people I know who were in sudan and saw our nigerian solders are. Your guys did not even have a daily stand to exersize or follow proper protcals) as for disspline we far from bad. Numbers are about 10 to 15 thousand to few.

Like what countries. I know of only a few peolpe that leave to go to other countries. And they not all ways the best. And they not pouched.

Moral is far from batterd. Yes we sufferd losses but we all so put up one hell of a fight and showed when push comes to shuve we push harder.

The union serve a purpose to to prevent unconstuinal acstions. They do more good than harm. And germany all so has a defense union.

Show proof of this cliam.

GidiNaijaPikin: your SANDF met their WATERLOO in CAR. Your SANDF soldiers have been ra.ping and sexually molesting the poor helpless women in DRC. Only in SA do policemen drag a foreigner along the streets from the back of a van ... we could go on and on!

You are not the first and I don't seen you being the last. DRC is a recurring decimal for SADC and your SANDF. Your 33% matriculation result is a problem for you and your kin!

Waterloo? More our black hawk down moument. We made the same mistakes. To light a force, under estermait the enemy and no way of providing timly support.

There where 93cases since the start of the mission in DRC of those only 15 convecstion of those only one was rape. Most of the sexual omce are to do with prostuitsion. It a big problem in the DRC.

Yes but nigerian cops are not the much to speak about. And in SA the cops are punished.

You guys still don't under stand the 33%. You will fail if any core subject is that low.

GidiNaijaPikin: You overhaul C130s in SA yet SANDF spends several hundreds of millions airlifting men and hardware to missions in Africa?

C130 is medium lift. No african country has heavyift.

drag_on: here we go again, SANDF is not denel dynamics,denel dynamics produces weapons for the local industry in SA and for export,SANDF does not have Equipment,manpower and training.Stop comparing denel weapons with NAF. compare SANDF with NAF. For example concerning artilery read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Army_Artillery_Formation

extract:Due to a shortage of regular infantry, both 4 Artillery Regiment and 10 Air Defence Regiment have recently[when?] provided gunners deployed in their secondary role as line infantry in the central African region on peacekeeping duties.
also read
http://mg.co.za/article/2012-05-04-lack-of-funds-leaves-sa-vulnerable

talk about being overstrectched: http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/387/80709.html
extract: South Africa has an estimated 1600 troops in the Sudan and Democratic Republic of Congo on UN peacekeeping missions.It has 1600 troops deployed along the borders."We are seriously overstretched," Masondo said.

and i have posted previous info about SANDF.
Again SANDF is not Denel dynamics,just cause the company produces weapons does not mean SANDF have them.If a war breaks out Denel will need time to produce weapons(if their factories aint bombed).

There is nothing there that I have not menstioned.

The sandf is short about 10 to 15 thousand. This can be corrected in 2 years once the order is given. And the nigerian army is at most doubl the SA army. Even though your populastion is 3 times biger than ours.

We under funded 2billion USD. I have menstioned this before. It still about 2 billion bigger than nigeria.

60% of the SANDF budget is spent on defense. It 80% in nigeria(will find the aurhor of the report if you want it)

You posted a wright up from wikpeada including the quear of it truth. There is no source to back up that non infantry units did any such thing.

Wikpeada is not a source.


Denel is the states arems company.

Henry120: Ok, good.

Artillery. FH-77 155mm howitzer = with a range of 27km, you seriously must be joking. Still in use and in service.

Oto melera 56.3 = served us well in liberia, and still in service.

T-55= only used at NDA(nigerian defence academy). Withdrawn from active service. Nigeria operates the VICKERS M3 and upgraded T-72's as our main MBT's, and the scorpion light tank as troop support in FIBUA operations.

Panhard AML, also used by south africa as (eland MK7). Panhard AML virtually replaced by the otokar cobra, panhard VBL (and other variants), nigerian made PF3 and the nigerian army's own igirigi.

Same thing goes for the fox. replaced by the otokar cobra, panhard VBL (and other variants), nigerian made PF3 and the nigerian army's own igirigi.

BTR-6BB, withdrawn from service and retired.

Airforce

F-7ni, bought in 2005 as a stop gap measure. A 3.5 generation fighter plane, still in active service.

12 L-15 falcon paid for and awaiting delivery.

MI-35p aka flying tank. The helicopter killer.
1 billion times better than the south african made rooivalk, plus we got 2 times your number.

Mbb bo, since retired from service and never flown. Replaced by 12 militarised versions of the augusta LUH.

Navy, NNS thunder.
2 million dollars weapons up-grade done on that ship. NNS thunder currently used in anti-piracy operations.

Nigeria has 5 corvettes in active service.
2 type 056 chinese light frigates already purchased.
2 light frigates to be built by india's pipavav dockyard. With the possibility of 2 more. ( Reported by defenceweb.co.za)

The FH-77 and oto melare are both out classef by the G7 never mind G5

The vickers is a odd ball. Only 2 users both african. It a good meduim tank and it weight is good for african infustructer. Armour is not enough to stop the rooikat 76 the T72 is ok but even the best version (T90 yes a T90 is just a T72 with a T80 fire control and sub sytems. The best russian tank is the black eagel or a heavly modfied T80UD) is out claased by the olfant MK2 it terms of fire control and protecstion.

The eland MK7 were replaced by the rooikat. Though there are calls to bring a few back since they can fit in a C130. Somthing the heavier eland can not do. The eland is still usefull.

Even the supper hind of algeria is not better than a rooivalk. And we know this. SAAF has 1 hind and knows all about it.

They OPVs not light frigats.

Henry120: SAM = we've got ours
IFV. = we've got ours (PF3)
Attack helicopters = we make components for our MI-35P's

All of the above, links and photos had earlier been provided.

Of the 9 listed, we got 3, and we import the rest. However in numbers, we have 3 times the numbers in some areas above south africa.

If a conflict between nigeria and south africa, were to ensue today, we would defeat you. you lack the man-power or industry to churn out your heavy equipments in the quantity required, while nigeria already has more.

*We got more attack and utility helos than you.
*radar system, nigeria is fully covered
*mraps, I'll give it to you.

What sam sytem does nigeria build. Never mind devlope
Nigeria has only 40ish IFV they are the BTR3
Nigeria make spare parts. SA is the only certfied place in africa to over haul
C130s
Mi17(witch we all so upgrade)
Mi24(witch we all so upgrade)

No you got more hinds(thencal assult not attack) but lift helcopters are still in SA faver

GidiNaijaPikin: Feel free to set a stage! We'll intelligently meet you anywhere.

Why does it matter where it fires from. It out ranges everything, highly accurate, good rate of fire.

NaijaPikinGidi: Certainly a South African trait. Your SANDF must be smiling away with millions and visas from the US?

Read the info in the link below for a Brig. General O. Azinta.
http://beegeagle./2013/07/06/highlights-of-the-nigerian-army-day-celebrationnadcel-2013-summarised-by-beegeagle/

Since when has the nigerian para bats performend so many combat jumps? Do they even no what a combat jump is?

Henry120: Neither would your generals. So it goes both ways.

Depends on difrent aspects. Those that woulld acsept a brib either

Feel the war is lost and want somthing out of it. They may even feel that they saveing the men under them lives

Don't care for therir country and would probaly do it for free.

Henry120: Neither would your generals. So it goes both ways.

Depends on difrent aspects. Those that woulld acsept a brib either

Feel the war is lost and want somthing out of it. They may even feel that they saveing the men under them lives

Don't care for therir country and would probaly do it for free.

NaijaPikinGidi: They always complain to AndrewZA,

We have posted enough sources of solders in sudan and even northen nigeria of complianing.

solomon111: Apart from Quality equipment and funds which are relative and dependent on the nation we warring with,Nigeria is excellent in All the other points you listed.
Southafrica on the other hand,lacks in most if not all of those points you listed.

Really witch one do we lack.

GidiNaijaPikin: You fail to get my point! You claim we are overstretched ... and my point is to make you to realise that we have not even scratched the surface of our full military capacity internally and externally. Enjoy your mistake!

Then why have solders from nigeria complianed about being deployed beyond what the orginal mission was for, SA knows it limtes(3000 external) but we have never had solders complian about being deployed longer than than they were told.

stone-mind:
he's DEAD!!!!!!!

Realy. That strange because typacaly even if you kill a leader a new one pops up. So there is a leader.

GidiNaijaPikin: Your warped sense of reasoning is evident. Did President Olusegun Obasanjo meet the requirements to be elected CIVILIAN President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria? Was President Olusegun Obasanjo the President and Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria from 1999? By the end of 1979 General Obasanjo was in the Nigerian Army and not the Navy. If he wore this well-fitted Naval uniform post-1999, then you need to go check-in for brain overhaul session! You lost your sense of reasoning long ago.

Show us a similar image of yourself as an infant typing away trash on a Mac computer!
Like I said I've got time to spare here ...

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See Obasanjo's pics below.

[img]http://.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/19-NIGERIAN-PRESIDENCY-NAVY-UNIFORM-OBJ.jpg[/img]

Once a solder all ways a solder.

Mm though him wering naval dress is odd it still a milltary dress. Camo is not a navel dress in SA but navel people do wear it. No branch would ever wear anothers cermounal though.

juman: President Robert Mugabe is an elder statesman and one of our fathers in Africa.

We Africans strongly hope that the election in Zimbabwe would be free, fair and the result of the election would be accepted by all participants.

Has I showed all ready. It not free or faire.

Mike..ZA:
Did you know Iraqi T-72 tanks were armed with a 125mm gun,and the American Abrams with 120mm gun?,but the T-72 were out ranged. What I'm saying is the diameter of the gun can be BIG with less range and ineffective against armour. Example about "range&diameter" is South Africa Denel's G7 105mm gun howitzer(light ordinance),which can put a shell 36km away out ranging all 105mm howitzer and most 155mm guns. Regarding the Rooikat's gun it was designed from a naval gun,it is not just "normal 76mm gun",but some vehicles(Rooikats) were upgraded and armed with Denel's GT7 105mm gun.

Iraqs 125mm sheels where rather poor useing steel sabot rounds. Most countries use DU or tugstine rounds.

Yes the 76 on the rooikat is a high velocty naval gun. Has for the rooikat 105. SA chose the 76mm. It can carry more rounds and can handel any likly threat. Rate of fire is higher to.

Henry120: No, thank you. First up-grade your 11 rooivalk helicopters so that they can at-least shoot at something. Besides all our MI-35p's and MI-24B hind's are all up-graded.

They where upgraded receantly.

Mike..ZA:
Don't you think we gonna see air strikes on the dam with F-16 jets,rather than mechanised units or divisions invading Ethiopia?

Distance is rather far. Those F16 would need to launch from sudan(who support the dam) or use a tanker(wich if you shoot dowm means you wipe out all the attackers) so no. And it not like ethyoipa does not have sams and jets to fight back with.

agaugust: mr man, brazil's army is not better than nigeria in jungle warfare, show me proof of brazil's war history, it is zero, i ask you again, show me source that says brazil ever fought a jungle warfare like nigeria, or else you sharaaap !!!!

you judge countries military by your own imagination of 'big name' like brazil, should be better than nigeria because its brazil....you think war is the same as world cup football ?

vietnam is not better than nigeria in jungle warfare, show me proof . nigeria's biafra war involved thick jungle warfare by 3rd marine commandoes inside nigerian and biafran equitorial rain forest with about 200,000 soldiers on both sides, while another army urban warfare was going on with about 300,000 soldiers on both sides in africa's biggest war in history.

you like to rubbish anything that is nigerian, and praise everything that is not nigerian, thats why you cut nigerian ATR-42 aircraft radar range down from 330km to 185km....because you are the italian manufacturer, right ?

nigerian army is world champion of jungle warfare, we won all our jungle battles, british army ran away from japan in burma jungle, brazil never fought any war except on football field, vietnam did not win but had a stalemate war with USA, and USA ran away from vietnam jungle war.

nigerian army has the record of fighting the biggest jungle wars in this world and winning everytime. sorry you cannot change nigeria's war history of 100% victory, if you dont like it, go hug and kiss 20,000 volts electricity transformer !


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when america invaded iraq in 1991 they had littel combat experiance, non in dessert warfar/armoured warfare/air combat or just about any of the aspects that gw1 containted. yet they still came out on top. brazil has the amzone rain forest all around in inside it, so they have very good jungel warfare training programe. any case when was the last time nigeria fought a jungel war. brazil by far a better trained milltary force than nigeria.

veitnam deafted america, cambiadia and china in jungel warfare. so yes they better than nigeria

well when last did nigeria fight a jungel war. and bifare was a civil war meaning you only deafted your self.

agaugust: go ask seleka rebel about their AK-47 rifle. you dropped out of military academy.

They all so had 23mm auto canons, 30mm AGLs, 14.5mm MGs. 120mm mortas. Most add good qualti AK47s. O and they lost up to 800 compared with our 15. My point still stands.

females in the SANDF

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https://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy175/Dwelm-man/SANDF%20Woman%202/AUtroops.jpg
https://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy175/Dwelm-man/SANDF%20Woman%202/calandergirl.jpg

chris365: for your information; Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Wars are fought by men and it's not about the weapon but the man wielding it.

There are a lot of weapons in the Nigerian military inventory but as always we don't stick to one tactic (weapon).

You can look up Nigerian SBS training US marines in the Delta with the FN FAL rifle. Our military tends to have a policy of versatility.

Every country's military no matter the level of training still have indisciplined personnel but it's the ability of the military to fish them out and punish them that matters. Your countryman just posted proof of Nigerian soldiers facing trial for misconduct.

And what's with the gay thing in spelling my country? If you don't have anything to say it's best you sit back and read from others and stop exposing your ignorance. And later they'll say Nigerians always start the insults.

@Thiza
hope you're taking notes

the one with the better gun stands the best chance in winning

agaugust: i cannot find south african super lynx helicopter radar range 370km in all these your sources, why ?

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convert 200nm to km. I posted it in KM because not everybody knows the diffrence