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Religion / Re: Is Tithe Paid Only With Cash(money)? by Zikkyy(m): 10:55am On Dec 10, 2013
Ukuts gp: hw was tithe payed in the bible? Is it with money? Why are they nt following the bible pattern?


they are not following the 'bible pattern' because there is no gain for pastor (you can only receive tithe from farmers and there are very few farmers in urban church and pastor cannot live by foodstuff alone grin) and also because the bible pattern went with the Jewish law.

The modern day tithe is the creation of pastors and subject to individual modifications. Why do think people have problem determining the correct tithe and mode of payment? do you read the bible saying if you miss your tithe payment this year/season you should add it to next year's tithe. some peeps same pocket money is tithable some say its not. some say tithe is gross salary while some say its net after deducting tax, pension and loan. Can God give an ambiguous command? Pastors have not been able to define the tithe they preach (and most tithers don't even understand what they practice). the best you hear or read is that tithe is 10% (of what?) some people say it's 10% of watever (the reason everybody including prostitutes, robbers, thieves in offices e.t.c are tithing). Can God's tithe be 10% of watever?
Religion / Re: Is Tithe Paid Only With Cash(money)? by Zikkyy(m): 10:34am On Dec 10, 2013
Joagbaje:
They accepted unclean cash too in the bible days. Those who brought unclean things had to convert it to cash

Lol! joagbaje are you saying money used for the replacement/redemption of animals unfit for sacrifice was unclean? How? and i don't see how you can compare the redemption of unclean animals with the offering of cash gained from ungodly source. first, its the source of the cash we are talking about; was the cash used for redemption obtained from carrying out ungodly acts? secondly, the fact that an animal was unfit for sacrifice is not saying that the animal could not be sued for other acceptable practices. can we say the same for prostitution, money ritual e.t.c? I don't see how you even begin to compare uncleanliness resulting from physical defect to one resulting from ungodly (immoral) acts.

and i don't see how this can be a justification for pastors collecting/accepting solen cash from armed robbers, politicians & yahoo boyz, or cash earned from money rituals e.t.c
Religion / Re: Is Tithe Paid Only With Cash(money)? by Zikkyy(m): 9:13am On Dec 10, 2013
Alwaystrue:
@OP, why do you seem so bothered about this issue of tithing? You tithe on the result of your labour and I assume you know its honest labour I mean.

You may choose to assume, but pastors must teach their church that only acceptable cash is cash from honest labor. i mean even though they don't preach/teach God's tithe, they should stop deceiving prostitutes, robbers, corrupt politicians, ritualist, yahoo boyz e.t.c (that is in addition to making desperate/gullible/greedy church goers/christians believe they are paying God's tithe when they are actually paying the pastoral tithe)
Religion / Re: Is Christmas For True Christians? by Zikkyy(m): 8:05am On Dec 10, 2013
Royll:
hope all will read this and get understanding but all in union with Christ are not to observe the following or they revert back to being pagans. (gentiles).

Galatians 4 you quoted have nothing to do with paganism. it refers to Jewish rites/celebrations under the law.
Religion / Re: Is Christmas For True Christians? by Zikkyy(m): 7:59am On Dec 10, 2013
Royll:
hope all will read this and get understanding but all in union with Christ are not to observe the following or they revert back to being pagans. (gentiles).

Gal 4:6-11
In the past, when you did not know God, you served as slaves beings which in reality are non-gods. But now you do know God, and, more than that, you are known by God. So how is it that you turn back again to those weak and miserable elemental spirits? Do you want to enslave yourselves to them once more? You observe special days, months, seasons and years! I fear for you that my work among you has been wasted!

Romans 14:1-10 (NIV)
14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
Religion / Re: Is Tithe Paid Only With Cash(money)? by Zikkyy(m): 6:11am On Dec 10, 2013
Joagbaje:

Talk with your pastor. It's not everything people gave as tithe in the bible days .It's not everything God accepted.

you self know its not everything God accepted back in the days. How come pastors today accept tithe of 'watever' today? How come pastor accepts unclean cash as tithe to God? Am yet to see a pastor teach that God cannot be involved in the business of money laundry.
Religion / Re: Is Tithe Paid Only With Cash(money)? by Zikkyy(m): 6:00am On Dec 10, 2013
Joagbaje:

Talk with your pastor. It's not everything people gave as tithe in the bible days . It's not everything God accepted . They only gave what could be used in the house of God. Or rather convert it to money. The use of money for tithes and offering started in the bible days.


the use of money was very much discouraged in the bible days. No Jew paid a monetary tithe of 10%. Tithe in those days was always agric produce with the option of redemption. Redeeming ya tithe would mean you first tithe ya produce then buy it back at marrket value plus 2.5% of the value as a penalty for wanting to exercise the buy back option. For paying cash, ya total tithe expenditure becomes 12% instead of 10%.
Religion / Re: Huge Lie: You Will Not Be Blessed If You Are Not Paying Tithe. by Zikkyy(m): 10:44pm On Dec 09, 2013
ckkris:
I have no right to defend the Word of God.

the tithe doctrine (as practised today) is not the word of God. defending it will not amount to defending the word of God.

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Religion / Re: Is Christmas For True Christians? by Zikkyy(m): 10:22pm On Dec 09, 2013
truthislight: Rubbish!!!

Bad belle! you don't like igbaladun and you don't want others to celebrate grin you see ya self angry
Religion / Re: Where Does Your Tithe Go To by Zikkyy(m): 12:10pm On Dec 09, 2013
Bidam: Are you just passing by? or you don't have anything reasonable to say. cheesy

i no get ya time angry

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Religion / Re: Where Does Your Tithe Go To by Zikkyy(m): 11:58am On Dec 09, 2013
Bidam: OK...go through the translations carefully:

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: Which is to say he was actually teaching both the pharisee,crowds and his disciples and not the other way round as you would erroneously have us believe.

You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required.

He was actually teaching them that the basics is required before their tithing can be commendable in God's sight.Short and simple. grin

clown angry

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Religion / Re: Do Lawyers Pay Tithes? by Zikkyy(m): 11:53am On Dec 09, 2013
paix: That means robbers, prostitute, politicians, contractors etc can equally give their tithes.

Yes. and pastors collect their tithe and prays for them as well. it is expected that God will rebuke the devourer for the robbers, prostitutes e.t.c. this is the result of pastors teaching that a tithe (10%) of 'watever' income you earn belongs to God.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 6:54am On Dec 06, 2013
Joagbaje:

Is honoring your father and mother not preach able ? Is fasting not peaceable . You preach what you believe. Especially if you have bible backing or foundation for it the application gets results.

the NT instruct Christians to honor their parents, that's one reason its teach-able.
fasting is not taught as a biblical command. When pastor advise members to fast, it's usually based on revelation. Like you said in one of ya post fasting is a choice, and people have the freewill to determine the nature of their fast. there's no biblical command for Christians to tithe, so how do you teach tithe? As a choice? You tell somebody to give 10% because of some benefits you received when you gave 10%? What if the person been receiving similar benefits from giving 20% or 5%? Why tell him to give less when his desire is to give more?
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 9:15pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:
Are you saying that the patriarch Jacob lied to GOD? You guys should stop capitalizing on the blind spots of the bible. Any one who knows scripture well knows that God doesn't play with vows. He even reminded Jacob about it several years later to go back to bethel where he made the vow. Which priest took his tithe is not our business . It's only excuse makers that looks for such.

nobody capitalizing on blind spot, its wrong to build your sermon on assumptions and expect peeps to accept it as truth. You want us to forget bout the priest yet you tell us that wherever there is a priest, there must be tithe.

knowing the priest that collected Jacob's tithe will prove that Jacob tithes. We can also say Jacob tithing in the absence of a priest means tithe can be paid in the absence of a pastor, abi?

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Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 9:04pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:
Some Christians don't believe in fasting . They believe all works ended with christ . We don't need to labour in fasting . It's their belief . Me I dey fast well well but I won't start attacking others . It's the Holy Spirit that opens everyone eyes.

this is what I meant when I say that tithe is not preach-able. You cannot force your belief or views on others. Why encourage people to give 10% when they can give more?
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 8:56pm On Dec 05, 2013
Alwaystrue:
Yes, the same sermon preached by pastors on godly living is heard by all these people, teaching against robbery, prostitution, ritualism. Offerings, tithes, other donations are dropped by these people not just tithe so like I said you have no point.

we are talking about income from ungodly living. Am yet to hear a sermon that says tithe & offerings from ungodly source is not acceptable.

Alwaystrue:
God is the judge of which giving He will accept like Abel's and those he will reject like Cain's so stop trying to help God.

is this the message from ya favorite Mathew 23:23? Is this the teaching you say you believe? Was Christ telling the Pharisees in Mathews 23 that God will decide the offering he will accept or was he telling them to do the right thing? When you say am trying to help God, what about pastors and peeps preaching and giving their views/opinions? Are they helping themselves? Maybe they are.

BTW, when I post questions, it is not for you to answer (unless you feel like responding), it's just something for you & other readers to think about. If I want an answer it will be expressly stated in my post along with the question. Thanks for taking time to answer some.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 8:27pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:
Abraham didn't give his tithe because of war. It's not a war obligation . He have tithes on profit or income , Jacob gave tithes on profit and income.

joagbaje, war is now a business transaction with profit? What was the gross income and tell us the expenses incurred by Abraham and deducted from his war income before arriving at war profit. So you are saying Abraham gave tenth of profit to Melchizedek, nothing we no hear/read for nairaland.

So Jacob also gave tenth of profit? Joagbaje what are reading? Can you prove that Jacob gave a tenth (tithe)? Also provide info regarding the priest/pastor that received Jacob's tithe.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 8:01pm On Dec 05, 2013
Alwaystrue:
You have said you believe anyone can do whatever with their money, so leave them to do it. Stop saying and not doing. smiley

do you read me saying tithers should do away with their tithing practice? I don't think so. I respond to tithe sermons and any post that serves the purpose. This is a public forum if you want me to leave you alone, you should log out.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 7:54pm On Dec 05, 2013
Alwaystrue:
Lol, will believers of Jesus be prostitutes, ritualists, robbers in the first place? Sorry don't mix church-goers with believers of Jesus. All those people you mentioned above would also give to the poor, does that make it right? No. So you have no case again.

don't blame me ma, reference to prostitutes and robbers is not my fault. Pastor is yet to tell us that prostitute, robbers, ritualists, corrupt politicians, blood or fraudulently obtained money are not tithe-able. Everything goes into the same tithe box/bag no segregation, pastor prays for all tithers including robbers, prostitute e.t.c., pastor's sermon on tithe is addressed to all, in fact some peeps been telling us that tithing is a kingdom principle applicable to all. So how can you say I have no case?
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 7:39pm On Dec 05, 2013
Alwaystrue:

All Jesus words had people that BELIEVED Him, 'Christian' was a word used by some people to call Believers just like we have people call Believers 'SU'. All the play of words does not change the fact that it was Jesus words spoken to the hearing of all.
You have chosen not to believe it so relax.

my sister it is one thing to believe and it is another thing to adopt or implement. We all believed what we read (I know I do, if I cannot speak for others). I am not arguing belief here so you wrong to say I do not believe. Did Jesus say Christians should or must implement all statement directed at the Pharisees? Did he say how this was to implemented? Was it Jesus that converted tithe of agric produce to cash from whatever? Or was it Jesus that said it must be taken to the pastor? What exactly did Jesus say?
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 5:45pm On Dec 05, 2013
Gombs:
Ok, why do you fight tithing?

this is proof you have not been reading my posts. I am not fighting the giving of 10% of 'watever' to the church/pastor (aka Tithing'). I believe people have the right to do 'watever' they like with their money, after all it's their money.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 5:40pm On Dec 05, 2013
Alwaystrue:
You see, since Jesus, the Word Of God that came in flesh full of Grace and Truth, came to explain how we should tithe and you still don't get it, neither Paul's explanation by the Spirit, my words will not help either.

there's nothing to get. Nowhere in scriptures will you find Jesus teaching tithing to Christians. Maybe you are telling us that it was Jesus that taught 10% of salary (including the payment of tithe of income from prostitution, robbery, money ritual e.t.c), I guess it was Jesus that taught Christians to tithe their allowance (aka pocket money). I honestly don't know what you are reading cos the reference to Paul is not an attempt to explain Christ tithe teachings.

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Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 9:58am On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:
We do Gods principle they may be contained in the law but we font do them because the law says so . We do them because they are kingdom principle.

I am yet to meet that person that tithe because it is a kingdom principle. one thing i like to know is why pastors don't preach tithe as kingdom principle? or maybe tithe becomes a kingdom principle when the tithe defender find him/herself in a tight corner grin

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Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 9:52am On Dec 05, 2013
The bit below caught my attention........

Alwaystrue:
What did Jesus say about giving tithe, He said there are weighthier matters of the law which are love of God, justice, faithfulness, mercy (per different translation) which if you look at well are more of the Spirit of the Law but still not to neglect tithing.

you say love of God is a weighthier matter of the law and tithe is not part of it. if tithe is not love of God, then what is tithe? love of money?

Alwaystrue:
What did Jesus say about giving tithe, He said there are weighthier matters of the law which are love of God, justice, faithfulness, mercy (per different translation) which if you look at well are more of the Spirit of the Law but still not to neglect tithing.

if love of God, justice, faithfulness, mercy are more of spirit of the law, then i guess tithe is categorized under what you call 'letters', and you stated somewhere that the letter killeth....

Alwaystrue:
All they see is letters which killeth but the Spirit gives life.

....so, what exactly are you saying? maybe your post was actually directed at the tithe preachers.

Alwaystrue:
Jesus knew that to give tithe right is to have the right heart and Spirit of giving. Paul confirmed it as well by trying to explain why they that sow spiritual seeds should reap material harvest referencing OT in I Cor 9:13-14.

Honestly i don't see Paul confirming "giving tithe right is to have the right heart and spirit of giving" in I Cor 9:13-14. what has Paul sowing spiritual seeds and reaping material harvest gat to do with giving tithe right? what exactly are you reading?
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 9:37am On Dec 05, 2013
Gombs:

Ok, you mean God is fighting tithes? Through you guys, yes?

Nobody mentioned God here. I was responding to the idea of joagbaje calling people sharing their views/opinions here agents of satan. maybe he is telling us that the hundreds of millions (or even billion +) christians not tithing (because they don't believe in it) are all agents of satan.
Religion / Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by Zikkyy(m): 6:34am On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:
Why is it tithing satan fight ? It only shows that there's something very significant about tithing .

you think it's Satan fighting the tithe fraud scheme? why would Satan fight a fraud?
Religion / Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Zikkyy(m): 9:51am On Dec 04, 2013
Pastor Kun: ^^^
Is it that no tither or tithe collector grin is sure enough of this tithe doctrine to boldly come out and discuss the subject matter in a organised manner

Mark Miwerds:
I think the problem is, they do not want to discuss... instead, they want to debate.

The average tither would avoid any discussion on tithe, and i can tell you that debate is not something they want to do. For them the less they know about tithe the better for them.

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Religion / Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Zikkyy(m): 7:40am On Dec 03, 2013
Pastor Kun: Olaadegbu where hath thou? smiley

He is @ the kiddies section, searching for cartoons grin

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Religion / Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Zikkyy(m): 7:32pm On Nov 28, 2013
Enigma:

Don't take it too seriously bro, I was half teasing. grin

smiley

no wahala smiley
Religion / Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Zikkyy(m): 7:13pm On Nov 28, 2013
truthislight:
Your RCC is far worse, you dont have scriptures to show for most of what you do and say at all.

which one be my RCC? if you shine ya eye/ear very well, maybe you will be able to understand what italo been saying grin

truthislight:
I have been asking ye all for just one here, to show scriptural evidence for your doctrine of "papal infallibility", but no scritural evidence for such a claim.

This is not a courtroom. you dey ask for evidence too much abeg angry
Religion / Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Zikkyy(m): 6:58pm On Nov 28, 2013
shdemidemi:
1) your dream is unique to you, it is not a standard hence it can't be substituted for the TRUTH

2) the devil can also give you dreams that become reality

3) Muslims and Hindus n other religions have these experiences too.

truthislight:
the witch of Edor that king Saul of Israel consulted, her prophesy also came to pass, read it again.

Lol! so when i said God communicate with me via my dreams, this was what you guys could think of? grin and i was thinking of Joseph and Jacob. Na wa for una sha grin
Religion / Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Zikkyy(m): 5:31pm On Nov 28, 2013
Enigma:
I can't remember; maybe it is better you remind us all. smiley

Na wa o sad

truthislight:

From your post so far, you belief in papal infallibility.

If you feel i am wrong, restate your stand here let all see.

This is your (very faulty) interpretation. anyone reading with an open mind will not read me supporting papal infallibility anywhere on this thread. you believe what you want to believe cos you already made up ya mind. a reflection of what you been taught by your spiritual ogas at the top (at JW HQ).

@enigma & truthislight, if you want my position on papal infallibility, we've done this before. No need repeating myself.

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