Pastor Kun:
I am currently experiencing 'open heavens' in my business and there is no room to contain it.

I own a warehouse you can use. 50/50 sharing ratio

Demain_man:
I belief that Satan is in charge in nigeria and that all those your god of men are Satan agents. They are in Nigeria to cause confussion hence you see no progress whatsoever irrespective of how many 'born-again' christians you claim to have.

My brother, i don't think it's ideal to call anybody satan's agent whether Pope or Pastor unless you have 100% proof that the person is actually one.

Na wa o! i thought this thread was bout Christmas you people don scatter this thread, there is no way i can contribute now

instead of fighting over copyright or trademark infringement, why don't you guys fight over who going to prepare the best dish on December 25th so i know who to visit

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Tithe is a tenth of your income, your increase.

This is not God's definition of tithe o! this one na your own.

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Their need was food, clothing and shelter. They all had shelter as God gave them an inheritance and cities. Their food and clothing was from agriculture. the whole family was usually involved. That was their increase and their blessing. The average man was not after accumulating shekels but after cattle and big barns. It is so different today. Look for any rich man in the Bible, you would see that he was rich in agric produce. It was their sweat as it were, it was their daily bread.

The wealth of men is still not calculated based on the amount of cash in the bank. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Carlos Slim e.t.c are not assessed based on their cash. computation is still based on non cash asset.

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The major economy or source of increase in Bible times was agric produce. Every family had to be involved in agriculture. They all lived by seedtime and harvest. It is only the lazy man that was not into that.
Pro 20:4 The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.

Even in some rural areas today, you still find this kind of thing. Whatever the family may be doing, they will have land/farm and animals that they rear. It was more intense in Bible times. Their need was food, clothing and shelter. They all had shelter as God gave them an inheritance and cities. Their food and clothing was from agriculture. the whole family was usually involved. That was their increase and their blessing. The average man was not after accumulating shekels but after cattle and big barns. It is so different today. Look for any rich man in the Bible, you would see that he was rich in agric produce. It was their sweat as it were, it was their daily bread.

I do not argue the fact that the "major economy or source of increase in Bible times was agric produce". what i argue is Joagbaje's theory that cash was paid as tithe in biblical times and the thinking that cash was included in God's definition of his tithe. evidence from the bible revealed that God did not request for and the Israelite did not tithe cash income/increase. While the idea of redeeming ya tithe of agric produce was allowed, imposing a penalty of 2.5% was to discourage the israelite from paying cash in place of their agric produce. even though our society is much more sophisticated today, agric produce is still very significant (cos man must wack). Although there are more people earning income from the provision of services today (labour), the approach to earning your sustenance is pretty much the same when compared to the economy in biblical era. Goods are first produced (agric & industrial) before they can be converted to cash via sales. So when you say today's economy is more cash based, you should understand that it is the sale of your produce (agric or industrial) that generate cash (not different from the economy of the Israelite). God's tithe was from produce of the land (Production), he was never interested in cash generated from sales of the produce/goods.

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Today, we can also give tithe of our daily bread, whatever it is. God does not refuse it so far it comes from His children.

@bolded, i do not argue this. You can give a tithe of "whatever", it is for God to decide what to accept or reject. just like Candour, am only here to show why the giving of tithe of "whatever" income should not be made a doctrine.

ayoku777:

If Jesus called it a new commandment, then new it is, meaning it never was before then. And its a replacement not just for both but the ten and the entire law. We are to love both God and man with the love of Christ, as Christ did and as Christ would. So if you would, we should love God with the heart and mind of Christ. And this is only possible with the Holy Spirit.

I think this is clear enough.

what I read you saying here is that the Christian becomes like Christ (Christ-like). The law lovers believe the spirit enables you to adhere or obey the thou shalts contained in the old covenant forgetting that you don't need the spirit to adhere to the law. A good example is the man in Mark 10:17-22. He was able to adhere to the requirement of the old covenant (the thou shalts) without assistance of the spirit, but adherence to the requirement of the law did not change him (same case for most Christians today) he valued his possessions more than anything. Christ told him to sell his possessions and follow him (Christ). that is where you need the assistance of the spirit; to follow Christ.
Even an armed robbers can chose not rob to avoid going to prison, but it does not change his natural inclination to do evil. For him to hate crime, a change (from the heart) will be required. He becomes a new person with no desire to evil. For him the laws are no longer relevant.

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As has been severally explained, the economy of that time is so much different from now. In those times, their riches was in agric produce. That was their major income and increase. It of of this increase that they gave tithe. Today, our major increase and income is usually money. This so basic that even a child gets it. It is when theologists begin to give us fables that folks that reconstructing their thinking and ideologies.

You still don't get it. Being agric economy did not stop trade. we know the Israelite engaged in sales and purchase of goods and services. Some Jews worked and earned salary/wages but not required to tithe. In fact farmers sold some of their agric produce but they were not required to tithe from sales or profit. tithe was taken directly from harvest before you go to the market. Just like the Israelite economy, we still produce (agric plus industrial) but you guys tithe profit after making sales or you tithe salary. Tithe of old was from what we classify as asset in modern day accounting. The owner of Toyota will tithe a tenth of what comes out of production before sales you see you are getting it wrong. it was never about the money. see evidence that Israelite traded or earned salary below....

Nehemiah 13:15 (NIV)
15 In those days I saw people in Judah treading winepresses on the Sabbath and bringing in grain and loading it on donkeys, together with wine, grapes, figs and all other kinds of loads. And they were bringing all this into Jerusalem on the Sabbath. Therefore I warned them against selling food on that day.

Deuteronomy 24:14-15 (NIV)
14 Do not take advantage of a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether that worker is a fellow Israelite or a foreigner residing in one of your towns. 15 Pay them their wages each day before sunset, because they are poor and are counting on it. Otherwise they may cry to the Lord against you, and you will be guilty of sin.

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There is no need trying to find holes or start arguments.

No vex, i no dey fight

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You would have to ask God for clarifications for that one oh. He said.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

obedience/convenant same thing to me. you said it yourself....

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i said The covenant or agreement is that IF man obeys God's words, he will be peculiar, justified and holy before God.

....the covenant is still about obedience. that was the requirement.

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i believe that what is gone majorly is the condition, not necessarily the commandment. The condition of the covenant, the agreement was that IF God's words were obeyed THEN they would be.

The commandment contained in the covenant will naturally go with it, but the source & intent of the commandment remains. Just as stated by Ayoku, everything changed. How we apply God's law changed.......

"From obeying laws to being spirit led. From keeping commandments to walking in love. And from works and self effort to grace and faith."

It requires a change of nature under the new covenant. You are no longer the person you were before, you are no longer the person that would not kill simply because a law somewhere says don't kill. Now you don't kill because you love and value the life of the other person.

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You forgot to show what he meant by "regardless of how it is required". This is the phrase i made bold.

wait for him to clarify so you don't make wrong assumptions. you want me to explain everything?

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We are saying the same thing ithink. Some may have given 10%. mark said Christians are not required to give a set percentage regardless of how it is required. i simply showed where some christians were told that they MUST give a set percentage. It could be 10% or any other % from that passage.

my understanding of set percentage is "fixed percentage" i.e. 10%

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The scripture is very clear, i gave two again above. i said among other reasons, here is one reason why the tithe was given. There was another tithe given to neighbour levites, and another one shared with family and neighbour levites annually.

I know you said among other reasons, and am telling you that belonging to the tribe of Levi is the first consideration. if you serve in the temple and you are not a Levite (don't see how that is possible anyway), you don't get the tithe.

Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation

The Levites got the tithe as a people reserved for a particular purpose, it does not matter whether you are already rendering that service or will be able to render the service at a future date or if you are retired.

2 Chronicles 31:14-19 (NIV)
14 Kore son of Imnah the Levite, keeper of the East Gate, was in charge of the freewill offerings given to God, distributing the contributions made to the Lord and also the consecrated gifts. 15 Eden, Miniamin, Jeshua, Shemaiah, Amariah and Shekaniah assisted him faithfully in the towns of the priests, distributing to their fellow priests according to their divisions, old and young alike.

16 In addition, they distributed to the males three years old or more whose names were in the genealogical records—all who would enter the temple of the Lord to perform the daily duties of their various tasks, according to their responsibilities and their divisions. 17 And they distributed to the priests enrolled by their families in the genealogical records and likewise to the Levites twenty years old or more, according to their responsibilities and their divisions. 18 They included all the little ones, the wives, and the sons and daughters of the whole community listed in these genealogical records. For they were faithful in consecrating themselves.

19 As for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who lived on the farmlands around their towns or in any other towns, men were designated by name to distribute portions to every male among them and to all who were recorded in the genealogies of the Levites.

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i have devoted my tithes to God. Mind your own business.

Lol! na wa for you o. you post on a public forum and you want me to mind my own business? how is that possible?

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The first borns were supposed to serve in the temple. They were replaced by the levites. The point i made was that the purpose of the tithe was to support the temple workers irrespective of tribe. The tithe was given them FOR/BECAUSE of the temple work.

.....and the point i was making was that tithe as support for temple workers was announced after God claimed the Levites for himself. It's possible Moses could have adopted a different approach to sustaining firstborns for example their family members can sustain them, especially if their family entitled to a share of the land. We don't know, so don't assume.

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Everybody already knew the MAIN tithe, that is, the 10% that leaves the individual's custody and goes into the minister's custody.

Scriptures does not support this statement. Tithe in the bible is not 10%, it is a 'tenth'. for tithe purpose tithe and tenth are not the same. You can say 10% is a tenth, but some tenth does not amount to 10%. the tithe of the Israelite goes to members of the tribe of Levi, it is the levites that tithe to the priest.

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No, there is no such thing seen in the reference. It seems you spuriously see the word "ONLY" in every tithe passage. Here is the phrase on tithes from the passage again. Try to note that there is nothing like ONLY in that reference.
"the TITHES in all the cities of our TILLAGE.38.And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God"

So because you don't see the word "only" in the bible verse, it therefore mean the Israelite tithed cash. Read the bible verse again....

Neh 10:37-38
'And that we should bring the first fruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the CHAMBERS of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the LEVITES, that the same LEVITES might have the TITHES in all the cities of our TILLAGE. 38.And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the CHAMBERS, into the treasure house'

they promised the tithes of their ground; tithe from the cities of their tillage. Image123, you dig money from the ground abi? anyways i understand some people don't keep money in the bank, they keep their cash in some underground vault at home. I want to believe you are one of them for thinking tithe of the ground includes cash.

Image123 is attempting to separate the law from the covenant or agreement. i don't see how that can be possible. the "thou shalts" form the basis for the agreement/covenant.

“We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.”

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The Old covenant is not "Thou shall not steal" or any of the thou shalts. Many of us tend to interpret it to be that. The consequence is that we become very confused and selective in understanding and implementing the new covenant. We're often like, the Old covenant is gone, therefore "Thou shall not steal" is gone. Or "Thou shall not kill", or "Honour your parents" or any of the other Thou shalts. Or even as someone opined above, tithing. The Old covenant is not Thou shall tithe or anything close to that. That is not the covenant, but a revelation of God's will.

@bolded, these are instructions and part of the agreement. If you take out these instructions, there will be no agreement/covenant.

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We're often like, the Old covenant is gone, therefore "Thou shall not steal" is gone. Or "Thou shall not kill", or "Honour your parents" or any of the other Thou shalts.

What is gone is the "thou shalts" contained in the agreement. i.e. the terms of the agreement. It went with the agreement/covenant.

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This is the OLD agreement, the Old Covenant. That man would obey God's voice indeed, and keep His covenant, SO THAT man would be a peculiar people and holy before God.

@bolded you don't keep the covenant, you keep to the terms of the covenant.

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A covenant is an agreement, a contract, an understanding, a deal, a testament.

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So, what was the Old agreement or covenant? It was simply that if man obeyed God's words, he will be peculiar, justified and holy before God. Note that God's words or laws are not the covenant or agreement. The covenant or agreement is that IF man obeys God's words, he will be peculiar, justified and holy before God.

am yet to understand your objective here. if God's laws/words are not the covenant, so?

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Abraham's tithe belong to God, mine also. Infact, the whole earth belong to God.

...and did God tell you he want a tenth of the whole earth?

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Do you believe that a man can rob God in tithes and offerings? Do you believe that a whole nation can rob God if they do not bring tithes and offering?

You just refused to learn, even when it is stated that scriptures is useful for learning. A man (unless the Israelite under the law) cannot rob God in tithes and offerings. Even the gentiles in the time of Malachi were not robbing God. So what are saying. My brother, it's in your interest you open your heart to truly learn.

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The Bible NEVER talks about tithes being different. It talks of tithe as tithe, simply 10%.

You know this is wrong. The bible did not define tithe as 10%. This is the definition of man

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Abraham's tithe is a tenth. Malachi's is a tenth, Jesus's is a tenth, Number and co are tenth, mine is a tenth. This is what the tithe is. One cannot come tell us that it is numbers tithe that is real, the others are not.

There is God's tithe and there are tithes. What tithe are you paying? God's tithe or just simply "tithe"? God's tithe is defined in Leviticus. We know your tithe is tenth (or 10%), but it is not God's tithe. is your tithe real? it depends on your definition. if you say "realness" is defined by the proportion/percentage, then the tithe of income from prosti.tution, robbery, rituals e.t.c are real. Will God define the "realness" of his tithe based on the proportion/percentage? I believe you now see tithe is not just about giving a tenth.

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Malachi or any Bible verse does not tell us that tithe is ONLY from one thing.

IT DOES! EVEN AN ILLITERATE CAN SEE THAT. Malachi was referring only to the tithe defined in Leviticus. It's fraudulent to say robbing God in Malachi was referring to not bringing a tithe of war booty, when the law clearly stated how war booty was to be shared. It would be fraud to say robbing God in Malachi was referring to people that refused to tithe their pocket money, when the law did not provide for the tithing of pocket money. maybe you are saying robbing God meant not tithing income from prosti.tution or robbery. What does it mean to rob? you can only rob others of their property. and what tithe did God say was his? see below......

Leviticus 27:30-32 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord.

Did God any time say that a tithe of pocket money, war booty or salary & wages or profit from sales belong to him? if he did not how can not giving the tithe from these income amount to robbing him?

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there are so many Bible passages that seem to be a 'direct' reference to something, but the Holy Ghost uses it to mean and prove and teach something else.

So what is Malachi telling you?

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If you were not hasty to jump into the discussion, you may have noticed that i never said that proportion means 10%. Nobody said that,

This i will archive. It will come useful when you attempt to use that particular verse to prove 10% in future

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Abraham's tithe is categoriless, interesting. So, why do you have to put mine or any other under a category?

The man listed three type of tithes and you asked which of the category Abrams tithe belonged. My view was that Abraham's tithe is not in any of the three. Abraham's tithe is Abraham tithe, simple. Nobody saying your tithe falls into any of the three category mandated by God, in fact it is tithers that been trying to prove their tithe belong to category 1 as defined by Omo-Awori. Any literate reading tithe discussions on NL should know this. You know very well i have been saying that there is God's tithe and there are tithes. i never considered your tithing God's tithe so don't worry your tithing does not fall into any category mandated by God and it does not even belong to a tithe category found in scriptures. Yours is a creation of man, for the use and benefit of man.

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yes, the firstborns from all tribes were initially chosen to serve in the tabernacle. it was after that God chose Levi after a particular "Who is on the Lord's side" incidence.

It's possible you did not read your own post, so let me report below....

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The purpose of the tithe is to support the people that serve in the temple/tabernacle. At a point, they were simply firstborns from any tribe, at another point, they were from Levi tribe, at another point, they are of the order of Melchisedec.
So, the true purpose is, why Levi? Because they are the people that serve in the temple/tabernacle.

You told us the purpose of tithe was to support the people that serve in the temple and you said at a point it was the firstborn that were serving in the temple/tabernacle. my need for clarification: did the firstborn served in the tabernacle and was tithe used to support them. Please clarify.

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The tithe is given to support temple workers, so that they do not have to go out and work like other people, but that they be allowed to serve God whole heartedly. At the time of Moses, the temple workers were from the tribe of Levi. Today, God has temple workers from different tribes.

You have not shown how the purpose of the tithe was to support people serving in the temple/tabernacle (or temple workers).

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They get the tithe for serving in the temple, amongst other reasons.
Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

They get the tithe first for belonging to the tribe of Levi. Read your quote above..."And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel".....every Levite don't serve at the temple at the same time. They got the tithe even when they were not serving in the temple. Serving in the temple was not a prerequisite for receiving the tithe, being a Levite was. and the tithe was an inheritance, not just a form of support. Did God reverse his will concerning the tithe? if he did not it is very wrong of you to give God's tithe to anybody other than the Levite.

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It is obvious. Read the coloured again. He said "Christians are not required to give a set percentage of our income regardless of how it is required". According to you, you said "Agreed. proportion is ratio, percentage". There is no need for you to help him twist what he said. It is so straight forward, regardless of how it is required.

You will only end up embarrassing yourself if you continue down this route. I already showed what he meant by set percentage. It has nothing to do with me agreeing that proportion is ratio.

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as you have been blessed or prospered IS a percentage or proportion of your earning. mark said Christians are not required to give a set percentage. i simply showed where some christians were told that they MUST give a set proportion. It means those who had little did not give the same thing as those who had much. They were told in this case to give in proportion to their prosperity.

Paul did not determine the % of giving. he allowed each person to determine their %. as you have been blessed (giving in proportion to your prosperity) is not a fixed 10%, or 20% or 30% or 90%. Some may have given 20% or even 3% and some may have given 0.2%.

DrummaBoy:

I do.

So, OLAADEGBU, who sent you?

His stomach

debosky:
Melchisedec did not require tithe to sustain himself - instead, he sustained Abram by refreshing him. Melchisedec did not need sustenance from Abram - let that sink in for a moment. Pastors are not those in the order of Melchisedec - Jesus is. Jesus doesn’t need sustenance from us either.

debosky:
The only tithe referred to as belonging to God were those commanded from the Israelites from agricultural produce. God did not say Abram’s tithe belonged to him - Abram chose to give it after Melchisedec blessed him, not as a pre-condition to be blessed either.

Thank you my brother.

debosky:
...... - let that sink in for a moment.

Image123 please take this brotherly advice; let the teachings you received today sink in o!

This bit is also useful for learning (strictly for Malachi 3 lovers)....

The post....

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The book of Malachi and every other book refers to all. i will have to quote it again so that you see it.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,
2Ti 3:17 so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed. -GoodNews.

The response........

debosky:
Useful for teaching is not the same as saying Israelites were commanded to do x therefore Christians have to do x as well; unless you understand this elementary distinction, it is a waste of time.

I had to repost this bit for Malachi 3 lovers

debosky:
...but again, in Malachi, it is not Abram’s, neither is it yours - it is the specific tithe commanded from the land from Israelites as belonging to God. It cannot be extricated from that context and converted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

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Any literate knows what proportion is. It is ratio, percentage, as God has, in ratio to, in proportion to how God has prospered you.

Agreed. proportion is ratio, percentage but you have to be an illiterate to say proportion means 10%

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Seminary songs.
1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in PROPORTION to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
Do you know that proportion is another word for percentage?

every use of earnings is a proportion of something. if you go shopping at shoprite, you will be spending a proportion of your income. the poster was not saying Christians are not required to give a proportion of their income. read the post again (below)....

"Christians are not required to give a set percentage of our income regardless of how it is required" i.e. Christians are not required to give a 'fixed' % of their income. The issue has to do with pastors specifying the % to give, Paul did not.

1Co 16:2 is not saying they should put aside a defined or fixed % of their earnings. when Paul said in proportion to what you have earned, he is saying as you have been blessed or prospered. for those that have little put a little something aside, and for those that have more (or earned more) save a little more. he expected the rich to give more than the poor, but that does not translate to everybody giving a fixed 10% or 20%. It cannot be used to justify tithing.

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What of the tithe that Abraham gave, what category does it fall? Or you do not approve it?

It's not in any of the category and it's not for him to approve or dis-approve.

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The purpose of the tithe is to support the people that serve in the temple/tabernacle. At a point, they were simply firstborns from any tribe, at another point, they were from Levi tribe, at another point, they are of the order of Melchisedec.

are you saying firstborn from any tribe served in the temple/tabernacle please clarify.

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The purpose of the tithe is to support the people that serve in the temple/tabernacle. At a point, they were simply firstborns from any tribe, at another point, they were from Levi tribe, at another point, they are of the order of Melchisedec.

what's this talk bout supporting priests that are of the order of the Melchizedek. You are saying the purpose of the tithe is to support people (of the order of Melchizedek) that serve in the temple/tabernacle image123, this your desperate attempt to justify a pastoral fraud is making you speak in greed inspired tongues o!

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So, the true purpose is, why Levi? Because they are the people that serve in the temple/tabernacle.

It's not just because they are people that serve in the temple/tabernacle. Levites don't serve in the temple at the same time. They get the tithe first for belonging to the tribe of Levi.

Neh 10:37-38
'And that we should bring the first fruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the CHAMBERS of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the LEVITES, that the same LEVITES might have the TITHES in all the cities of our TILLAGE.38.And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the CHAMBERS, into the treasure house'

Candour:
You can even see in the reference that tithes only come from the cities of TILLAGE(i trust you know tillage refers to land cultivation?), in other words, farming cities. This proves again that tithes only come from farm produce.

This was the tithing promise made by the Israelite (in compliance with the law). This is something for joagbaje to consider. The jews were never required to tithe cash, it was always about agric produce.

Alwaystrue:
@lastmessenger,
That is why people need to study their bible more and gain understanding. She received money to pay for a debt, can she give out of the money as a gift to the poor? The money is not even hers. How can she tithe on money given to her to pay her debt, to pay for her school fees? This is common sense. This is not money she worked for, neither is it dash money to do what she wants with it. Let people rightly divide the word and they will not see things as 'burdens'.

This is false teaching. Tithe, whether of God or of pastor does not consider the purpose/use of the harvest (God's tithe), income/cash in-flows (Pastoral tithe). God said the Israelite must tithe their harvest of agric produce even if they end up using the remaining 90% to pay debt. Pastors say you must tithe all forms of cash inflows, salary, revenue from business, gifts or even allowances (a.k.a pocket money). see joagbaje for additional information/clarification.

Alwaystrue:
How can she tithe on money given to her to pay her debt, to pay for her school fees? This is common sense.

Na wa for you o! you dey apply common sense for tithe matter even bidam will disagree on the use of common sense.

Alwaystrue:
Please take time to study yourself why the people were asked to keep in store. It was for the poor saints in Jerusalem due to the famine, who were giving their all, and Paul said God is not mocked, He that sows little reaps little and vice versa but give as your purpose in your heart. That part is never quoted because it is nicer to hear 'as you purpose'.

you need to review this ya theory on giving and receiving (sowing & reaping). the poor saints in Jerusalem gave their all, how come they had to rely on support? what happened to their harvest after sowing so much?

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nostalgic. i see zikky is still very busy trying to twist my words till date 01/11/13.

You dey deny ya post

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BTW, heard a fellow was/is a dubious lecturer extorting money from students. Hope it is just hearsay sha.

is the fellow tithing such income using ya definition income/cash inflow from extortion is tithe-able