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KunleOshob: To understand what tithes really means one would have to understand the social reasons and cultural / religious setting within which it was situated this concept of tithes was properly explained in the bible as stated in the laws of the tithe which can be found in the books of Leviticus 27 : 30 – 34, Numbers 18 : 25 – 31 and Deuteronomy 14 : 22 – 29. Upon reading this passages one would understand what tithes really means,....

KunleOshob: ........So what is tithes and why did God request it be paid to the Levites? The answer can be found in the following passages : Leviticus 27 : 30 – 32 which states that “one tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain or fruit belongs to the lord. If a man wishes to buy back any of it he must pay the standard price plus an additional 20 per cent. One in every ten domestic animal belongs to the lord when the animals are counted, every tenth one belongs to the lord.”  And Deuteronomy 26 : 12 which states that “ every third year give the tithe a tenth of your crops to the Levites, the foreigners, the orphans and the widows, so that in every community they will have all they need to eat” The above quoted passages clearly tells us what tithes is and the reason why God directed the people of Israel to pay tithes. It is very evident that it was a social arrangement for the less privileged in the Jewish society of that time, it was also meant to take care of the Levites because they have no land or property of their own.

Image123: Tithe just means 1/10, 10% of something.Abraham paid tithes,it was no heave offering.same goes for Jacob.same goes for me.The point is tithe existed b4 the levi covenant.It doesn’t compulsorily have to follow the same pattern or regulation.The tithe that was given to the poor and widows was no heave offering,but it was tithe(1/10).If you decide to pay your tithes today,its simply calculated as 10% of your earning,income,increase,wateva

Mark Miwerds: Farmers had to have had some form of money with which to redeem (buy back) the crop tithe if they so desired.

Mark Miwerds: they're only farmers when it fits Joagbaje's theology.

Joagbaje: Men gave tithes of all things . And all things represents all income.

We may not have all the details and that's where guys try to jump on. But certain scriptures still reveal the structure .

Luke 18:12 WEB
I fast twice a week. I[b] give tithes of all that I get[/b]. '

Luke 18:12 amplified
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Luke 18:12. Living bible
I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn. '

So people gave monetary tithes.

Message translation makes it clearer

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. '

Joagbaje: God used such term for isreal because they were farmers by default .

Joagbaje: Same thing with every other bible principle. Principles are eternal. Tithes o, offerings o, prayers o, fasting o. Etc and etc. we give offerings today because it's a principle.

Joagbaje: The bible was clear that money value was given as tithes. Money is a general medium of exchange. Money represents a mans labour.

Joagbaje: God made it a law for isreal because it's already a principle which Abel discovered

Joagbaje: The interesting part was that The reason for his first fruit was not the same reason God gave to isreal for FIRSTFRUITS..

Joagbaje: The interesting part was that The reason for his first fruit was not the same reason God gave to isreal for FIRSTFRUITS.. God connected FIRSTFRUITS to Egypt

Exodus 13:14
And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the Lord brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:

Joagbaje: Question: has Abel been in Egypt? Was he delivered by God hand? No . It was by revelation he knew FIRSTFRUITS belongs to God as a principle

Joagbaje: we give offerings today because it's a principle.

Joagbaje: Christians are not tithing based on the law . Christians tithe based on the fact that it's a principle in the kingdom of God.

Mark Miwerds: Fact #3: It is tempting God when you tell Gentile Converts that they must keep Torah. Again, clearly seen in Acts 15.

Bidam: Fact3 is also a repetitive lie.Moses was already preached in synagogues from earliest times and every sabbath( acts 15:21). Paul was no fool either,it was from the same TORAH you are now despising he reasoned with both Jews and greeks in the synagogue pointing to Christ(acts 17:2-4).The bereans even searched this same TORAH to verify and authenticate Paul's message(Acts17:10-12).

Mark Miwerds: Fact #2: Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Torah. This is clearly seen in Acts 15.

Bidam: Fact 2 is a lie.Gentiles are required to keep the law in their hearts which is no longer written the tablets of stone,

Image123: Tithing is not more a law of Moses than love your neighbour as yourself or honour your parents or any of the commands on mercy, judgement and faith.

Image123: This were the questions
1. Do you know all the 613 laws?
2. Do you disobey all the 613 laws?
3. Do you obey anyone?

This is your Mark's answer below


Kindly provide the answer to him knowing all the 613 laws, i find it hard to deduce from this answer.
i think he is saying that he disobeys all, hope this is the right deduction. please clarify.
i think he is saying that he does not obey anyone. Please am i right? i do not want to misunderstand what he is saying.

Bidam: God does not recognize ishmael as Abraham seed to Jesus geneology.short and simple.

Image123: The same Sarah cancelled the arrangement in the same chapter, and God approved it. God said ALL that Sarah said should be done.

Bidam: God said I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation.God never said i would make YOUR SON into a nation.YOu and mark need to apologise to me.

OilSubsidy: All this pastors no go kill person. One minute they are translating verses in the bible literally, the next minute they are using their 'Spiritual' inner understanding to translate it.

How can someone say a man whose sperm gave birth to a child is not the father? How can you say GOD did not recognise Ishmael as Abraham son? No be GOD dey give PICKIN again?

The same bible said "Before ye were born, i already knew thee"

Bidam: If you keep interpreting scripture carnally like you ALWAYS do. You will keep missing the whole point about MOTIVES/HEART. God is not interested in spoils of war,neither is He interested in crops or livestock, He is not also interested in the filth you peeps called money but HIS paramount interest is the heart of the giver.Cain's was rejected.Abel's was accepted.LESSON Learnt.

Bidam: You need to know the difference between what God said and biblical account.All the scripture you quoted are biblical account, not what God said: This is what GOD ALMIGHTY SAID:
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. [size=16pt]He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one,[/size] And to thy seed, which is Christ." Galatians 3:16


"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's [size=16pt]seed,[/size] and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:27-29

Bidam: You don't get it do you? As far as God is concerned, Isaac is the [size=16pt]ONLY[/size] son,it doesn't matter whether the slave child was sent away or not.E.g if you send your child away does that stop you being a father to your child? Does your logic makes sense to you? GOD IS THE DECIDING FACTOR,NOT ABRAHAM.

Image123: BTW, i missed your answers to my three questions. i am sorry sir. Kindly show me or quote it, or anyone else that saw it please show me. i beg you for God's sake, thanks in anticipation.

Mark Miwerds: I am not required to keep the Law. If I teach Law to the saved, it is only in its Historical background... not as present imperative for them.

The Law is for the unrighteous. (see 1 Timothy 1:8-10 ) If one commits to any one part of the Law, that one must keep all the Law (see Galatians 3:10 ) It that one does not keep all the Law, that one is cursed..

Mark Miwerds: 2. Where we live, when a man and woman live together, have a child, and continue living in the same household, that is known as marriage and family. Abram was married to Hagar. This is clear because we see that he went in unto her, caused her to be with child, and continued to live with her in the household for years after.

They were married, no if's, and's or but's about it.

Enigma: Remember it’s in your interest and in your favour when you give to the Lord, for He has promised great returns and mighty harvest of blessings for the giver. So be sure to be counted among those who give financially towards the things of God.

Enigma: This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

Enigma: It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift. Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

Enigma: Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

Candour: I just skimmed through the book again and shook my head at the 'snake oil merchant' tactics used all over. He talks about obedience to the law working all the time because God cannot fail, then he brings the caveat of having kingdom expansion interest otherwise it will not work.

Enigma: It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough.

Enigma: So, beyond your tithes and giving your offerings, which are compulsory for every believer, you have to go the extra mile by getting financially involved in the spread of the Gospel.

truthislight: If the tithe that Oyadegpo is collecting does not work all the time and has never worked for some people, then, it is either, God does not accept it or asked for it, or it is a violation for christian to pay tithe and that should have made him(Oyedegpo) to reconsider and know that something is wrong, but, that he still insist and dishes out a curse for those not paying tithes shows he is either not a honest person or he is a FRAUD STAR.

Image123: Humble pie in the sense that you kept quiet about making ridiculous claims of a pastors gospel that tithe works all the time.

Uche ernest: All these anti-tithers, the truth is, if u dn't want to pay tithe, simply dn't pay, anybody force you to pay? As for me i go continue to pay my tithe & offerings, E Dey work. If u no wan pay dey dia...u get sense pass sam walton, john d rockefeller etc.

Image123: My mention of Oyedepo(for those that see without bias and hypocrisy) was to rebut and correct zukky's presumptuous claims that there is a pastor gospel that says that tithe will work everytime or something like that. i opened showed and quoted Oyedepo stating otherwise. i know him to be one of the major pastors whose church practices tithing in Nigeria and he is a model to many others. Instead of you all to eat humble pie like zokkyy, you're hear talking rubbish about worshipping Oyedepo. Next time, don't go making bogus unfounded claims.

Alwaystrue: I think the message is as simple as it gets ...you CAN....Not You MUST.

Has any of you ever made donations online to red cross and other relief agencies and NGOs? Is it not card payment that is often accepted?

Have you ever paid money into the account of anyone in need or helped them pay for things online?

Its like many do not realise that many nations no longer use cash but use cards, but they keep looking at just the Nigerian way of things.

Christians have been so blessed by God that when some want to give financially, its best to drop cheques or do so online for ease.

Its is always nice to be objective when handling all issues and not just looking for every slight opportunity to bash.

Image123: i asked three questions na.
Do you know all the 613 laws?
Let me be clear please. You are saying you disobey all the 613 laws, you do not obey anyone.

debosky: I think image is saying you can tithe as a form of sowing and reaping described in 2 Cor 9. I do not believe there is any prohibition in this regard. I think he has stated that he isn't teaching tithing according to the law so the location requirement doesn't apply.