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Bidam: Now you are talking. When quoting scriptures please always explain them for sheep like us

lol!

Bidam: That is exactly what your ancestors where worshiping before the missionaries came..yoruba man

who tell you say i be yoruba man?

ifeness: What spirit should lead them if i may ask?

even when you know i cannot be referring to sango or orunmila spirit okay na holy spirit. are you happy now?

MostHigh: you lie

you support the removal of the truth

Where? How? When what truth?

MostHigh: wherever there is sin there must be law

okay

MostHigh: you say you have grace so you dont need the law

Correction; it's the mosaic law i don't need.

MostHigh: what about those that are not as strong as you ?

how are they to address the everyday evils in thier lives?

More reason why they should do away with mosaic law, it is not for those with a weak heart. The law was never successful as an enabler. They need to move on to the next level; allow the spirit to lead them. if they find that difficult to achieve, let them think/breathe/eat love.

MostHigh: IS APOSTLE PAUL NOW THE MASTER?

WHERE YE BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF PAUL

Lol! you missed the point. if Christ did not passed judgement on Apostle Paul for teaching that Christians are free from the mosaic law, i don't see Christ passing judgement on me for repeating Paul's statement?

MostHigh: I am not aware of any other LAW apart from mosaic

Now i understand why you are not happy with me

MostHigh: and yes eating grasscutter is prohibited by mosaic LAW

..and i told you gentiles been eating grasscutter since the time of Noah (possibly)...and the apostles in Act 15 specified the activities gentiles are required to do away with...and grasscutter meat was not on the list. meaning gentile converts can 'carry go' with the consumption of grasscutter meat so whether prohibited by mosaic law or not, it is not a problem for gentile converts.

MostHigh: THE LAW OF LOVE WHICH YOU SPEAK OF IGNORANTLY ENCOMPASES THE MOSAIC LAW

We Know Nobody is saying mosaic law is illegal. but remember that Jesus himself taught in Mathew 5 that the mosaic law was not complete.

MostHigh: AND YASHUA IS SPEAKING TO ME PERSONALLY ON THE MOUNTAIN

WHAT ABOUT YOU?

Lol! abeg my brother no vex if you consider my response an insult, i apologise in advance. it just that after reading this part of your post, what came to mind was Fela Kuti meditating with a jumbo size wrap of some heavy stuff but am thinking you are just high on the holy spirit, so no wahala

Bidam: ...ok remove the OT from the bible.let's see who peter and paul where making reference to from there quotes in the NT.

i do not support a removal of anything. you are the one pushing for a removal of Paul's letters because you are no longer comfortable with them

Bidam: you actually forgot Jesus Christ has said all the FATHER instruct him to say..Paul's revelation was to expound and buttress what Christ did. that's all.

if Paul had not gone to the gentiles, you still would be worshiping sango and orunmila

Bidam: lol.Peter taught that Paul was hard to understand, Peter wrote that there would be those who would twist Paul's words to mean something incorrect. What kind of people would do that? Peter said these are lawless men (2 Peter 3:17). By "lawless," Peter did not mean people who were without Roman law. Lawless, in this religious context (understanding Paul's writings and other Scriptures correctly), refers to being without God's Law - the Torah. Peter is saying that those who twist Paul's writings are those who don't have (know/follow) Torah. They will approach these letters, in (often willful) ignorance, and incorrectly interpret them.You are actually doing that.

...and you believe you are in a position to tell who is teaching the truth and the person preaching falsehood. You've never considered the possibility that you could be the lawless one Unless you are God, you are in no position to tell who the lawless one is. You are just as fallible as every other person.

Bidam: Lawless, in this religious context (understanding Paul's writings and other Scriptures correctly), refers to being without God's Law - the Torah. Peter is saying that those who twist Paul's writings are those who don't have (know/follow) Torah.

...again, what gives you the impression that Peter was referring to the Torah? and why do you believe the Torah should represent the totality of God's law? even when it is incomplete?

MostHigh: you are truly mad

Z8mbie coward

Rebrobate son of a Lawless father

But seriously, this is not acceptable. Not from an adult! unless you are not one.

if you don't agree with the posts you read here, simply provide a contrary view or ignore.

MostHigh: you are truly mad

Z8mbie coward

Rebrobate son of a Lawless father

Listen, Only Yashua tells us how to be saved and not paul. ok?

This is why the hardcore muslims consider paul a traitor

because of people like you.

Lol! Pastor Goshen and Pastor Shdemidemi, you guys better watch ya back o! i hope una dey wear bullet proof vest when preaching from the pulpit the way i dey see am, some people fit issue Salman Rushdie type fatwa anytime soon

Bidam: It is this teaching that has opened the door of the church to the world: unrestricted license, freedom and liberty from all law to any who will accept and believe the new Gospel.

okay, are you saying Bidam is required to adhere to the commandments as issued by sango & orunmila?

Bidam: Devotees of the heresy of "grace unlimited", find abundant support for their distorted teachings in the epistles of Paul. There are millions of present-day professing Christians who actually believe that this 'apostle was the founder of a “New Gospel of Grace”. It is this teaching that has opened the door of the church to the world: unrestricted license, freedom and liberty from all law to any who will accept and believe the new Gospel. It is this interpretation which has heralded these present times of lawlessness and crime without proper judgment in the world.

you sound like a robot with all this ya copy and paste

Bidam: Now consider this: what foundation would the following apostate teachings have, if the epistles of Paul were removed from our Bibles?

if you delete Paul from the equation, Bidam will be worshiping sango and orunmila combined

Bidam: my brother i tire for these guys..they are practicing Antinomianism. Antinomianism in Christianity is the belief that under the gospel dispensation of grace, moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation.

you don go copy Wikipedia come post for here. which one be Antinomianism for this matter? is that the belief that true Christians only respond to Christ laws instead of the mosaic law? You just wan quote big grammar sha

Bidam: what i meant was that not every thing written in the bible should be taken as the word of God.

okay, i don hear

Bidam: the laws of God and the word of God are used interchangeably in scriptures..who you wan confuse

whether laws of God or word of God, it's still not addressing my post

shdemidemi: No. He is saying, not every part of the Bible is the gospel of Christ. If you are a Christian or you want to be one.
You must ask and answer this question-what is the GOSPEL?

You would be surprised some pastors don't know what the good news is.

I understand and agree cos what Bidam said has such implications; a rejection of some of Paul's teachings as not being part of the gospel.

shdemidemi: In contrary, everyone is not born under the law rather everyone was born into sin until they accept Christ ..atheist are not under law, they are condemned until God calls them.

very correct. gentiles are not subject to the mosaic law. except the judaizers

Alwaystrue: I John 3:4
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness

everyone who sins break the divine law of God. This is different from the mosaic law.

MostHigh: Reprobate gainsayer.

Lol!!

Bidam: And that was why i asked you this question which you never did reply, are you to obey scriptures out of regulation or revelation?

did not respond cos i don't know what you meant by 'obeying scriptures'. maybe if you explain. you should know zikkyy, i don't respond to what i don't understand, and i don't pretend to understand when i don't. so clarify and i will answer your qustion. Thanks

shdemidemi: My brother, you have to believe everything written in the Bible. If you don't believe 1, there is no point believing all. The words of Paul to the church as documented in the Bible does not contradict the word of God if you rightly divide the word of truth. The Bible is just not 1 book you read and quote haphazardly which most are guilty of doing.

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

The man is saying the bible is not exactly the word of God. just some part of it

Bidam: herein lies the error... No searching believer should be offended by the declaration that the Words of God are superior to the words of Paul. Yet, some may contend that God was the Author of every word which Paul wrote. But by studying Paul's own words, such a position can be disproved "I speak not by Commandment ... and herein I give my advice" (2 Cor. 8: 8-10). Paul's "advice" undoubtedly was good, but it certainly was not always the Word of God.

abeg make i hear word jor who said anything bout 'word of God' for here. address issues on ground abeg

Goshen360: It simply means he spoke "spiritual things or words" to them. Words are words, not spirit but the words of Christ spoken to then are spiritual words\teachings and full of life....to his disciples; that's what that sentence meant. Or are we to say when Jesus cursed the fig tree, we are to say those words applies to his disciples or to us because it came out from the mouth of Christ and\or it gives spirit and life to the fig tree or it applies to the Apostles? You need to apply the context of "to whom" was the statement addressed in context.

Pastor G, why you dey expose the secret of the fig tree na abi you don't know some peeps already sharing in the curse sorry i meant blessings of the fig tree? i.e. those that believe everything Jesus said applies to them.

Image123: unfortunately, what gosh is teaching is the most complicated interpretation i ever saw as regards obeying God.

Pastor Goshen wants to the next apostle paul his teachings are difficult to understand. but i think it's only the 'judaizers' that will have problem understanding him

Bidam: I perfectly understand what you are talking about and i still maintain you are quoting out of context.Paul never said the Law was abolished.

Evidence that you don't understand what am talking about did i quote Paul as saying the law was abolished? see my post below:

Zikkyy: It was Paul that said the law was not meant for the righteous, the law (mosaic) is for the lawless. and I agree with him. The law is good if used lawfully I.e to check the lawless. If you still rely on the mosaic law, you belong to the lawless category

From my post, you can see the law is still useful for checking the activities of the lawless. so am not quoting Paul as saying the law been abolished. No! the law book was not burnt, it still exist in some temples or churches. it is still very much available for people like you; the type Goshen refers to as 'judaizers' What Paul meant was that the activities of those that found a new life in Christ are no longer a response to the requirement of the mosaic law. They been freed of the bonds of the mosaic law. Now they live by the law of Christ or law of the spirit

Take some time to understand my post before you say am quoting out of context

For you to understand what it means to be free of the law, i will try to illustrate using the recently promulgated Lagos State traffic law. According to the law driving against oncoming traffic is an offense (including making phone calls or eating while driving). Then consider zikkyy as somebody that will never drive against traffic even if it was allowed because it would amount to putting the lives of road users at risk. It is a principle i live by based on my love for doing the right thing and protecting the lives of other road users. even in the absence of a traffic law, i still will not drive. For me i am not subject to the traffic law because law or no law, zikkyy will never take a phone call while driving. Now let's consider Bidam; always causing problem for other road users; have a habit of making calls while driving at high speeds on very busy roads, will not hesitate to switch to the oncoming lane on sighting heavy traffic on his lane. With the promulgation of the traffic law your excesses been checked. You don't call while driving because you don't want to be arrested. even though the law is not really successful in making you a responsible citizen because you would make that call when there is no law enforcement officer in sight and still drive against traffic when there is an opportunity to do so.

Bidam and zikkyy are then two different people. Zikkyy does not live (or act) based on the requirement of the traffic law. to do that would mean zikkyy rejecting or doing away with his principles. It therefore mean i now obey traffic rules because the government says i must i.e. i will not act responsibly on the road in the absence of a law designed to check my activities.

It is the same for those in Christ. If the only reason you are not killing is because the Mosaic law says thou shall not kill, then you don't have Christ in you. The true Christian will not kill or acquire his neighbors wife even if that law was deleted from the mosaic law. For that person, the mosaic is irrelevant. You cannot claim to be in Christ and still subject yourself to the requirement of the law, it is not possible. So check yourself, if you still find yourself responding to the OT laws then you have a problem.

I believe you now have a better understanding of what have been saying.

Bidam: and why did paul said it? you guys love quoting scriptures out of context.

When you don't even understand what am talking about, there is no way you will ever know if am quoting out of context.

[quote author=MostHigh][/quote]The lawless are the robbers, child molesters, assassins e.t.c the law is still useful for such peeps. For the true Christian, the law is not required.

MostHigh: HE RUBBISHED THE LAW HOW?

PAUL TOOK UPON HIMSELF THE VOW OF THE NAZARITE

THAT MOST SOLEMN JEWISH VOW

YOU ARE JUST LAWLESS

It was Paul that said the law was not meant for the righteous, the law (mosaic) is for the lawless. and I agree with him. The law is good if used lawfully I.e to check the lawless. If you still rely on the mosaic law, you belong to the lawless category

Bidam: My understanding is that the old covenant of the law of moses established a system of regulated behavior in Israel. In the new covenant of grace the heart of man becomes the living stone on the inside upon which God writes his heart-law. so me paying my tithes for instance is not borne out of a regulated format or because am following the mosaic law but am actually obeying Christ from the heart which comes from a product of revelation. I don't obey Christ unto death because somebody told me to do it. I obey Christ unto death because i have seen Jesus in His glory, and that becomes what i desire. Obedience becomes a joyful activity.

If you preach your tenth giving as coming from the heart instead of the usual "it is a command by God according to Malachi or .......", I don't think peeps will argue over it.

MostHigh: then you have no place in Israel in the kingdom AGE!

This is literally Christ sitting on the throne of glory and the 12 elders with him judging the 12 tribes


by the words of your mouth you are judged.

So what are you saying That gentiles will not be judged? So that means we get to keep our pork and grasscutter that's good news then

MostHigh: The master yashua was subjected to the mosaic law and he never one day complained as you do.

As a matter of fact He extolled its virtues and passed judgement on those that would rubbish its validity for everyday living. math 5:17

Infact the resolution in Acts 15 made nonsense of the mosaic law. If the apostles can only think of a few stuff in the law for the gentiles to implement.