Denise216:

You didn't disprove my premise, you didn't prove yours, and as expected you resorted to personal attacks instead of engaging the subject. Now its just a question of the last word at this point. There is no need for you to be sore about this either. I normally debate more informed individuals that furnish compelling evidence to support their position. Debating with you is good practice but I need a challenge. Hopefully the next person will be more........logical. I look forward to sharing this exchange with my students. I want them to be effective debaters and you've provided a wealth of examples of things not to do, nothing personal.


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legalwealth: It is obvious that women like attractive men.

What qualities will a man have before he can be tagged attractive?

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Sagamite:




The questions were too hard for you? True Sagamu-man?

As they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. ......... But, sho, if you have no logic, na kitchen you suppose go na.

I have disproved your premise and you can't defend it.

Your premise: Physical Attractiveness is the most important attribute to women but the necessity for their personal and offspring's survival makes them "settle for" for men of lower physical attractiveness.

I have used my superior intellect to destroy that premise. I told you that attraction for women is a bundle and a minimum threshold of physical attractiveness is what matters and it is the personality that is dominant for most women.

I took the constraint/complication part "the necessity for their personal and offspring's survival" and eliminated it to see if women still "settle for".

First off, I gave you adolescents! They are at an age when offspring is not on their mind, I showed you that they still go for the guy with confidence, fame and power (personality) on average. Get a 13 year old girl and ask her to choose between the physically fit football player in her school and Justin Beiber, then see which one she chooses. Science, baby!

Secondly, I gave you examples of women who do not in the slightest have to worry their personal & offspring's survival (a) because they are already super wealthy and (2) who have the pick of choices of men because they are seen as the most desirable women in the human specie but, yet, they still are more attracted to confidence, fame and power (personality) than superior physique.

Thirdly, I gave you example of men with exemplary physique that women never even look at because they do not have the right personality (confidence, fame and power especially).

So I have showed you women at no stage in their life have they ever overwhelmingly chosen physique as the dominant attraction tool, they only have a threshold they aim for in that aspect. And I have given you a strong hypothesis that confidence, fame and power seems to work everytime and appears to be the dominant attraction tool (since it attracts the most desirable women) as long as a minimum level of physical attraction is attained. They are hard-wired evolutionarily to consider other things in conjunction with looks. In the midst of your confusion when the intellectual heat was on, you were even giving arguments to support my theory.

And when I put forward to you to defend your premise or debunk my premise, you run.

And you still refuse to accept I am a genius and you thought you won the debate?

You just showed women and logic are like oil and water.


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Denise216:

That's can't be good for your blood pressure. Let it go, you'll live longer.

Sagamite:

Blood pressure?

I am having fun, it shows in my posts. I am known for this.

Denise216:

Whatever helps you cope I guess.

Sagamite:

I am an intellectual gangster who slaughters arguments.


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Denise216:

That hasn't been my experience with you. You can imagine my disappointment.

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Sagamite:

Well, you are displaying some of the behaviours I have experienced before.

People that can't defend their assertion and run when the heat (in the form of intellectually probing questions) is on.

I only like intellectuals that are proficient at defending their arguments.

legalwealth: It is obvious that women like attractive men.

What qualities will a man have before he can be tagged attractive?

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Richfella: I agree with several things Sagamite said. They are FACT - scientific, hit-the-streets-right-now-and-confirm facts.

A woman's attraction circuits are governed ENTIRELY by her limbic system - which know neither logic or reason.

Women are biologically programmed to respond powerfully to men who:

- have strong, dominant personalities or
- have lots of people reacting to them (like bosses in an orgasnization, popular/famous persons, etc).

Biologically speaking, our only purpose on this planet is to survive and replicate and being a pretty boy has ZERO to do with that.

A fresh, succulent babe means YOUNG & FERTILE, but since most men are fertile, women select more for SURVIVAL VALUE. Yeah and men, more for REPLICATION VALUE.

Denise216:

Like I said, it just a about the last word now, feel free to have it. I don't need it.

Sagamite:

Well said!

A good fraction of these men tend to have decent physique because image matters to being dominant and people reacting to you in a servile way. That does not mean they have the best physique. They just are above the threshold.

Richfella:

Hey bro, you seem to know about the pick-up community.

Sagamite:

I am a community leader and resident rules expert scholar in the pick-up community.

Sagamite:

Well said!

A good fraction of these men tend to have decent physique because image matters to being dominant and people reacting to you in a servile way. That does not mean they have the best physique. They just are above the threshold.

Richfella:

Lol. RSD or Mystery?

legalwealth:

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Sabo,GRA,Ayegbami,Ijoku,Hospital road,Ayepe Road,Isote,Ojumele,Makun OR ?

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Denise216:

Please respond with a better rebuttal. The discipline of Evolutionary Psychology isn't an opinion, its a science. So find a source that contradicts what I have written; provide proof that muscle definition is NOT a factor evolutionary mate selection for the female human species. I can understand why the idea of women holding a man to a standard of physical attractiveness might make men uncomfortable, especially if they don't have to the income, personality, or status to compensate for not meeting the physical standard.



I haven't. Physical Attractiveness has always been important to women but the necessity for their personal and offspring's survival was a priority over their physical satisfaction. In developed societies women have the means to ensure their personal survival and children (for men and women) are becoming less of a priority. This means that men are subject to the same physical scrutiny as women. You've heard the charge of women being attracted to "bad boys" right? These women aren't falling for them because their "bad", these men on average are more physically attractive then their "good" male peers who have to compensate by being "good men" to compete for females.

carefreewannabe:

I agree with you 100%
Physical attraction is extremely important to women. Who knows better than a woman?

However, people have different preferences when it comes to beauty.

Sagamite:

Cut the crap, carefree.

So tell me, all the guys you have dated and loved (excluding me), have they all had 6 packs or they had a personality that turned you on?

carefreewannabe:
I don't consider 6packs attractive to start with but the guys I dated attracted me with their looks first. This is why I agreed to date them. The personality came second. It played a role in deciding if I want to have a relationship with the guy or not. But looks came first. If I hadn't liked the way they looked, I wouldn't have started dating them at all and therefore wouldn't have got to know their personality.

carefreewannabe:
Saga, are you a woman?
Many women on this thread have mentioned appearance among other factors being decisive for choice making. Why are you so desperately trying to prove that looks are not that important? They are very important. Unfortunately, also MANY women are very superficial beings.

Sagamite:

So basically, if you defined your ideal man in terms of looks, would you say you have dated a man like that in the past?

And do all your exes look like that ideal physique you would describe if you were to define your ideal man in terms of looks?



God forbid I am a woman.

No 2, I never at any point said looks were not important nor did I say women don't go for looks.

Can you prove otherwise?

carefreewannabe:

The men I dated were very handsome and yes they very much met my ideals.
My ex-boyfriends were extremely attractive in terms of looks. I still think so.
What are you trying to prove then? Looks are very important FULL STOP Ask any woman and she'll tell you that she prefers a handsome men to an average looking one or an ugly one. Not only because a handsome guy is sexier but also because they have good genes to pass on to their children.

Yes, I can because I am a woman and I also know what many other women dream of. All women like handsome men and all women would prefer a handsome men over an ugly one. What each individual finds attractive, however, differs.

Sagamite:

I didn't ask you if your ex-boyfriends were attractive. I asked very simple questions, please answer them with careful thoughts:

So basically, if you defined your ideal man in terms of looks, would you say you have dated a man like that in the past?

And do all your exes look like that ideal physique you would describe if you were to define your ideal man in terms of looks?

Don't focus on what I am trying to proof, just answer the question honestly.

There has never been a point I said women prefer ugly men over handsome men or they don't like handsome men.

Can you prove otherwise?

carefreewannabe:

Let me answer your questions AGAIN because you refuse to read between the lines.
First answer: Yes.
Second answer: Yes.

Now tell me what you're trying to prove.

Sagamite:

Okay, good. Thank you.

Now can you describe to me your ideal man.

Then, secondly, tell me how many guys you have dated.