ijawkid:

You need to teach the truth my brother.......no one is sugar coating anything here........the scriptures is interpreting itself and speaking Gods thoughts on this matter.............the OP has asked pertinent questions which you should be defending with the scriptures if you really believe our heavenly Father would burn persons up forever in fire..............

How do you cast death and Hades literally into a
literal lake of fire? (Rev
20:14) If this is symbolical
then why is the next verse
'and whosoever was not
found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of
fire' not also symbolical?

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Are you kidding me? Direct conversations? Did Abraham not have direct conversations with the rich man? Was the EVENT of the rich man and lazarus not recorded or written down? Was the event for your loss of awareness and discouragement? What are you saying, have you started smoking? a story with a meaning, what meaning? you think He was a story-teller telling tales from the arabian night?

Which one is it? Darkness DOES NOT mean prison or darkness is a prison? You have claimed this two positions in the above quote. And what does this have to do with anything? i just quoted plainly to you that some fallen angels are in hell, and you come up with your exposition on darkness and prisons?
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

You seem to suffer from memory loss so let me remind you. You were saying that even devil and his angels are not yet punished so why will humans be punished, and here is scriptures showing that some angels are in punishment, reserved to their final punishment/judgement.

oh you somehow think that prisoner means something else ba? But death, die and co must streamline into your bigotry?

alexleo:

You people are just misapplying the scriptures to suit your cheap and diluted gospel which was exactly what satan did when he tempted Jesus. I dont care about the thirty irrelevant questions. Am just dropping my own piece of advice. Ijawkid are you saved?

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The same way death and hell will lose their hold on people on the judgement day.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You may also read the verse that follows if it doesn't inconvenience your new found traditions.

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The same way death and hell will lose their hold on people on the judgement day.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You may also read the verse that follows if it doesn't inconvenience your new found traditions.

alexleo:

I am not wishing anybody eternal torment. Ours is to preach the truth and anybody rejects it he will still face it at the end of the day. The fear of God remains the begining of wisdom.

ijawkid:

Hmmmm....but abeg we have quoted more than enough scriptures to show that persons won't be burning up forever somewhere in some fiery HELL......satan and his cohorts can't live forever....don't you get it??.......wicked persons and satan and death which is abstract would be obliterated for all eternity(th®own in the lake Óf fire)..........simple and cogent........

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An[b]d to answer your question::::.....until I endure to the end that is when I'll know if I'm saved....for Now I'm a runner anticipating to get to the finish line(everlasting life)......[/b].

alexleo:
Yes i know but are you born again?
again if you want everlasting life then desist from diluting God's word. May God help you.

alexleo:
Yes i know but are you born again?
again if you want everlasting life then desist from diluting God's word. May God help you.

alexleo:

You people are just misapplying the scriptures to suit your cheap and diluted gospel which was exactly what satan did when he tempted Jesus. I dont care about the thirty irrelevant questions. Am just dropping my own piece of advice. Ijawkid are you saved?

alexleo:
Hmmm...an unbeliever joining frosbel in this crusade to deliver false teaching about hell and eternal torment. Yes of course thats what you ll like because it sounds sweet in your ears while the truth is rejceted because it tastes so bitter. My dear, the best and first thing we require of you is to be saved. Give your life to Jesus. When u ve done this then we will be glad to see u debating or crusading.

frosbel:

stop your endless and senseless emotional tantrums, read your bible.

lagerwhenindoubt:

You can only be born-again once. Done that. In my time as a Christian I can factually count 128 souls I have converted for Christ . Sadly I have delivered them like lambs to the slaughter. The bible is plain about this and most times it is intellectuals that are fond of deliberately misinterpreting the word of God not the illeterates. You do not have to be a believer to read and understand simple passages of the bible.

ijawkid:

Alexleo my man .............the®e isn't aÑy dilusion my bro......this is what the bible reÀlly really teaches.................total destruction is what awaits the wicked...nothing more nothing less..........

alexleo:

Total destruction awaits them but not that they will be wiped out as you are teaching. They will be tormented endlessly. Jesus described hell as a place where the worms in it does not die. If ordinary worms there will not die in hell why do you think what the bible said about people being tormented forever does not really mean endlessly? You people are just reading the bible like a story book and a book of logic.you keep jumping from one bible translation to the other just to satisfy your false teaching.

ijawkid:

And didn't you read from the book of isaiah Jesus quoted from that the worms that don't die feed on dead bodies??....................frosbel quoted the excerpt from isaiah but you failed to pay attention........

Satan and his demons,wicked humans,grave and death would not be literally tormented endlessly........they would be extinguished/destroyed completely.......read your bible well and stop this running arounds...............

alexleo:

Thats your own understanding and its not acceptable becuase its wrong.

alexleo:

Shut up and stop being senseless in your reasoning. My opinion must not be in line with yours. Stop displaying irrational response when opinions dont go the way you want. It is even you that is emotional with that your nonsense teaching on this subject so quit talking rubbish. You can only deceive people who dont know God with your foolish and satanic teaching. I pity the poor souls you are deceiving on this issue. May God deliver them.

frosbel:

People like you cannot reason independently , you need a church like apostolic faith , to help you form your beliefs, and then when anyone challenges some of their false doctrines, you become terrified , almost as if your salvation depended on it.

I can count with my fingers how many times you have brought up scripture to buttress your points, instead it's one tantrum after the other.

Let us use scripture to discuss this important matter or are you afraid the apostolic faith church will kick you out of their congregation once you begin to embrace fact and not fiction ?

Are you a MAN pleaser.

alexleo: Lol . Apostolic faith is not the bible and they are not Jesus. i even challenge them where need be.

alexleo:

As long as you keep reading the bible like a newspaper you will keep failing it. Thats the problem i ve discovered in you people, starting from your tin god frosbel to least person. I dont read the bible like a newspaper, a logic book or a story book and i wont. Call it emotion, senseless or anything like your tin god frosbel, i couldnt be bothered.

frosbel:


Before you were born, I was a member of the apostolic faith, don't even get me started.

From my experience, people who belong to denominations are subconsciously fearful of challenging any doctrine that they do not quite understand , so they stick with the pack , for fear of disfellowshipping by the church authority.

alexleo:

You people are just misapplying the scriptures to suit your cheap and diluted gospel which was exactly what satan did when he tempted Jesus. I dont care about the thirty irrelevant questions. Am just dropping my own piece of advice. Ijawkid are you saved?

frosbel: Oh , btw, 119 comments later , and our eternal torment gurus have not answered ONE question out of the thirty raised .

These are the kind of Christians that when preaching , will tell their listeners not to challenge this doctrine for it is fact irrespective of how illogical it sounds.

Then they become worried when their message has no impact or has an impact that is short lived.

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i don't have time for that, ask my chief teacher abi you dey fear?

deebrain: In all, i blame 'the rich man and lazarus' parable for all the confusion. Something that did not happen and can not happen (a soul or man's spirit does not hunger for food or water-it is the body that does) but was used as a teaching has now been made the main subject of the gospel. Im sure people use this parable to back up those visions they see of dead people in hell. Pathetic. And yes, can somebody pls answer the op questions so we can move from this scary thread? Stop attacking him.

frosbel:


Before you were born, I was a member of the apostolic faith, don't even get me started.

From my experience, people who belong to denominations are subconsciously fearful of challenging any doctrine that they do not quite understand , so they stick with the pack , for fear of disfellowshipping by the church authority.