Goshen360: Many Christians don't know the Malachi 3 verses that pastors use to coerce them into parting with 10% of their income is NEVER written or addressed to Christians. This is NOT to mean Christians should not give - Christians are to give to the advancement of the Gospel in WHATEVER THEY HAVE AND CHEERFULLY. This is what brings blessings on you as Christians.

Malachi 3:9-10 was addressed to the priests who were stealing God's tithe. Pastors lift that verse out of context to apply it to Christians. Study Malachi in context (it doesn't take up to 1 hour) and you will understand it wasn't talking to Christians. God was rebuking Israel and later in Chapter 2,

Malachi 2:1, And now, O ye priests, this commandment [is] for you. AND Malachi 3:3 still mentions "sons of Levi". It was to the "O ye priests" of Malachi 2:1 that was carried into chapter 3. God wasn't addressing the Church of Jesus Christ.

Again, the tithe teaching to the church is religious scam in the body of Christ. It is NOT EVEN DONE IN THE BIBLICAL WAY BUT HEBREWS 7 ENDED TITHING.

How is biblical tithe done to the people (Israel) it was commanded to? Lemme show you from scriptures.

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frosbel2: Interesting !

Acidosis: Crap!

God did not say you should give your TITHE (God's 1/10th demand) to the poor...

If you want to give to the poor, c'mon, you can even give your FULL salary after paying the tithe to the church..
You can get a big loan and give to the poor, NO ONE will stop you..

And only a f00l will practise that which you suggested...
You don't need to show the whole congregation what you want to give.... Invite them to your house, pack your belongings and money and properties for them
BUT
Your tithe is for God! Try and change his order by trying to use your "professor wisdom" and you're doomed...
If God wanted us to do that, he'd have given us the commandment!

These things have been written before our greatgrandfathers were born and you can not change it with your JET age 21st century terrestial sense...

Bidam: studying the bible with a preconceived ideas..remove that satanic blindfoldness from your eyes..read the whole bible concerning tithing.. Abraham Commenced it (Ge. 14:18-20). Jacob Continued it (Ge. 28:20-22). Moses Confirmed it (Le. 27:30). Malachi Commanded it (Mal. 3:10). Jesus Commended it (Mt. 23:23). God Commissioned it (1 Co. 9:14). Paul Conformed it (1 Co. 16:2). A study of these Scriptures shows that tithing is a scriptural principle. Abraham and Jacob tithed 500 years BEFORE the Law was instituted. Moses, Malachi, and Jesus spoke of tithing DURING the period of the Law. The Apostle Paul explained tithing AFTER the Law. Christians ought to tithe!

Goshen360: Please, get your bible and let's read\study together to see how God commanded biblical tithing to be done.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering TO AARON THE PRIEST. - Numbers 18:25-28 KJV

The commandment to take tithe I showed you from Hebrews 7:5 was established here. To who? To Levites. Who are Levites in the Old covenant of Mosaic law? THEY ARE THEY TEMPLE WORKERS THAT WORKS WITH THE PRIST, AARON UNDER THE MOSAIC SYSTEM. There is no more Levites in the body of Christ, what we have is ministry gifts such as pastors, teachers, Apostles etc BUT if we are to translate this instructions\commandment in Numbers 18 into our modern day Christianity, THE LEVITES WILL BE THE CHURCH WORKERS - USHERS, SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHERS, CHOIRS, CLEANERS, TRAFFIC CONTROLLER ETC ETC AND THE PRIEST, LIKE AARON WILL BE THE PASTORS ETC

Look and pay attention to the instruction in Numbers carefully. God doesn't speak in KJV languages, God speaks SPECIFICALLY. The instruction is LEVITES TAKES THE TITHE AND OUT OF THE TITHE THEY COLLECTED, THEY GIVE TENTH PART OF IT TO AARON. So, if tithe is to be practiced today, it is the church workers that are to collect it and give tenth part to pastors......I know your pastor will NOT like me for this but this is the Bible truth.

graluxxy054: I don't know y people like creating problems for themselves. I don't know y people like involving themselves in things that does not concern them? Leave God and pastors matter alone before you incur Gods wrath upon yourself. Don't add or subtract anything to/from the Bible. I've read my Bible and I've not seen where God instructed us to give our offerings and tithes to the poor. If u want to give to the poor, do it the right way and at the right time. Stop twisting Gods word to suit yourself and situation!

If you're in d league of those that tell people things that are not in d Bible, desist from it now cos God will hold u responsible for every soul you mislead

Bidam: studying the bible with a preconceived ideas..remove that satanic blindfoldness from your eyes..read the whole bible concerning tithing.. Abraham Commenced it (Ge. 14:18-20). Jacob Continued it (Ge. 28:20-22). Moses Confirmed it (Le. 27:30). Malachi Commanded it (Mal. 3:10). Jesus Commended it (Mt. 23:23). God Commissioned it (1 Co. 9:14). Paul Conformed it (1 Co. 16:2). A study of these Scriptures shows that tithing is a scriptural principle. Abraham and Jacob tithed 500 years BEFORE the Law was instituted. Moses, Malachi, and Jesus spoke of tithing DURING the period of the Law. The Apostle Paul explained tithing AFTER the Law. Christians ought to tithe!

Bidam: studying the bible with a preconceived ideas..remove that satanic blindfoldness from your eyes..read the whole bible concerning tithing.. Abraham Commenced it (Ge. 14:18-20). Jacob Continued it (Ge. 28:20-22). Moses Confirmed it (Le. 27:30). Malachi Commanded it (Mal. 3:10). Jesus Commended it (Mt. 23:23). God Commissioned it (1 Co. 9:14). Paul Conformed it (1 Co. 16:2). A study of these Scriptures shows that tithing is a scriptural principle. Abraham and Jacob tithed 500 years BEFORE the Law was instituted. Moses, Malachi, and Jesus spoke of tithing DURING the period of the Law. The Apostle Paul explained tithing AFTER the Law. Christians ought to tithe!

alexleo:

Why dont you also show us in the bible where Jesus said we shouldnt give tithe and where the apostles said we shouldnt give tithe? You people are just deceiving yourselves and your pride makes you think you know the bible now more than before. Satanic deceit. RUN AWAY FROM IT.

[b]st.OLA[/b]Tithing is of the law. The law has passed away as fulfilled by Christ, as acknowledged by Paul, as NUMEROUSLY indicated in both Paul's and other new testament letters . Its irrelevance is universally acknowledged even by most tithing pastors who promote Grace alone as advocated by Martin Luther.

So why hold on to agricultural tithing morphed into money? Moneytised firstfruits? Wave offering?. We all know anything that was of the law and can't be monetised has been done away with.

Bro please go through your Hebrews 5 6 7 8 9 10, with emphasis on the damning of the law and old covenant as uttered in the words of God himself.

Churches don't need to tithe b4 they'll have funds to pay the clergy or recurrent bills. Offerings can do a mighty lot on their own.

Bobbysworld28: I hv followed all d posts since morning & resisted d urge 2 type but @bidam has forced my hand.

U really need 2 read ur posts 2 c hw thick u r. R u arguing 4 tithing or giving in church? It is clear u r mixing both up.
I grew up tithing & where I worship tithing is preached. But if u read up on tithing in OT u will find out dt d church has gotten it horribly wrong in d way it is handled now.
It will please u 2 realise dt money can come more into d congregation if there was a rallying call for giving from d hrt. Cue d early church in which ppl sold their lands & brought proceeds without being coerced.
@bidam is holding tenatiously 2 error because he cannot justify his being gullible over d yrs.

Bidam: you already have a preconceived notion it is false..so why bother?or do i sense FEAR that we tithers are right and you are wrong all-along?If you can't as a believer discern truth from error with all ola..image..and others ave said concerning tithing that it is more of spiritual principle than LEGALISTIC you guys always seems to bring up..then am afraid i can't help you..nobody taught me about tithing..it was a revelation borne out of a deep devotion and consistent walk with Jesus over the years...and i am telling you with all humility my conscience bearing me witness in the HOLY GHOST that EVERY WORD GOD spoke to me came to pass over the years e.g my admission,marriage.prophecies concerning my family and other brethren i came in contact with over the years..etc..i am bold to tell you that tithing is never a SCAM..JESUS told me so...you need to hear Jesus for yourself bro..and not heresies and distortions of scriptures from false brethren who claim they are Christians. One's spiritual sight determines his theology, which in turn determines his conduct.

Goshen360: @ Bidam, you dey try o But I asked you, do you agree the levitical priesthood is abolished?

christemmbassey: tithe cant never be spiritual because is of canal origin. Pls no vex o, the day u claim Jesus spoke 2 u did u bother to check up 4 malaria? Them Malaria can b very funny, u know, just wondering, how come upon all the treasures of wisdon and knowledge embeded in Jesus, na onlx £ € $ ¥ ₹ and #naira u hear, no message on salvation, holiness, righteousness, justification, peace, love , prayer etc, na only naira u hear, well u try sha. God bless.

St.Ola:


I chose to respond to this because your dissection of my post makes it clumsy to reply without a great loss in time. I'll also like to correct the precedence you've tried to establish here.

From the books of exodus-leviticus-numbers-deuteronomy, and the parable of the pharisee and sinner, and from Hebrews we all know that tithes paid to levites was established as part of law under the levitical priesthood. It is not to be linked with a CHOICE royalty made by Abraham to the highpriest and KING of Salem. It has been revealed on this forum that it was only customary for Abraham to pay such royalty of a 10th of SPOILS OF WAR to a king he adjudged as being under his authority.
This had nothing to do with God giving a commandment under the law years later. For the tithing law was giving to solve a particular problem of levites lacking a land inheritance.
Even the admonition in Malachi was addressed to the levites/priests and not to the layfolks. So any pastor using such scripture is actually referring to himself as the robber.

Now concerning the law, you seem to hold on to your own preconceived ideas too. I tell you there's more than a few verses from the letters of paul that says no profit is gained in the law, that rebukes those who still adhered to jewish traditions of old testament law, Hebrews give you a record of God's opinion about the law and it's imperfection.

Tithing is of the law. The law has passed away as fulfilled by Christ, as acknowledged by Paul, as NUMEROUSLY indicated in both Paul's and other new testament letters . Its irrelevance is universally acknowledged even by most tithing pastors who promote Grace alone as advocated by Martin Luther.

So why hold on to agricultural tithing morphed into money? Moneytised firstfruits? Wave offering?. We all know anything that was of the law and can't be monetised has been done away with.

Bro please go through your Hebrews 5 6 7 8 9 10, with emphasis on the damning of the law and old covenant as uttered in the words of God himself.

Churches don't need to tithe b4 they'll have funds to pay the clergy or recurrent bills. Offerings can do a mighty lot on their own.

Christianity is about the teachings of Christ, it has no pact with the law.It teaches you to give for the sake of the ministry but doesn't obligate a 10th of your income, you make your choice cheerfully. It teaches love as conveyed in our works. It also teaches not to hold on to the law lest you deny the redemption by grace obtained by the death and resurrection of Christ.

Bobbysworld28: I hv followed all d posts since morning & resisted d urge 2 type but @bidam has forced my hand.

U really need 2 read ur posts 2 c hw thick u r. R u arguing 4 tithing or giving in church? It is clear u r mixing both up.
I grew up tithing & where I worship tithing is preached. But if u read up on tithing in OT u will find out dt d church has gotten it horribly wrong in d way it is handled now.
It will please u 2 realise dt money can come more into d congregation if there was a rallying call for giving from d hrt. Cue d early church in which ppl sold their lands & brought proceeds without being coerced.
@bidam is holding tenatiously 2 error because he cannot justify his being gullible over d yrs.

christemmbassey: @Bidan, i told u, when u pay or collect tithe u reject Jesus and the cross and u're still in ur sins. Pls repent, stop this scam. Accept the free gift of Jesus.

frosbel: This Sunday in Church , take your 'Tithes' and Offerings to Church.

When the service gets to the Malachi 3 session, look for anyone around you who has real needs, and give your tithes and offerings to them.

Better still ask the ushers or pastors to ask the following people to come forward :

- Mothers who do not know where the next meal for the family will come from
- Fathers who have lost their Jobs
- Widows who have no husbands
- Orphans who have no parents.
- Students who are barely eating talk less of paying school fees
- Those who wear rags or who have no shoes
- the homeless and destitute.

Do not give it to the ushers or take it to the front of the church , give it to these people, these are GOD's children who have real needs, yes, they are the ones who need your money, your spare clothes and shoes, extra cars etc.

I repeat, do not give a dime to your church or pastor and let us see how they will react !!!!

Bobbysworld28: @bidam
Good dt we agree abt giving freely.
U said tithing predates d law? Let's say I agree. Who started it? Abraham! He gave 2 Melchizedek. Good! Christ is a priest after d order of Melchizedek, right? We r king-priests too like Christ (royal priesthood). If Melchizedek collected, it means we should be collecting tithes right? We shouldn't be d ones paying it. Conundrum? Yes!
Y did Abraham pay once in his time? Y nt monthly & at every increase?
Hv u read Malachi? In ur opinion who was d tirade aimed at? (Tip: read from d beginning of d book)
My submission: if u feel dt d church (in ur case d religious institution) owns 10% of ur earnings, go right ahead. I knw dt d church (in my case d ppl who christ died for including my parents, friends, brothers, widows, orphans etc) own 100% of mine & I administer as I deem fit.
No one will bring me into a bondage Christ set us free. Me sef I b man of God. I rest my case. ARE YOU CALLED INTO THE FIVE-FOLD MINISTRY?

U said tithing predates d law? Let's say I agree. Who started it? Abraham! He gave 2 Melchizedek. Good! Christ is a priest after d order of Melchizedek, right? We r king-priests too like Christ (royal priesthood). If Melchizedek collected, it means we should be collecting tithes right? We shouldn't be d ones paying it. Conundrum? Yes!
Y did Abraham pay once in his time? Y nt monthly & at every increase?
Hv u read Malachi? In ur opinion who was d tirade aimed at? (Tip: read from d beginning of d book)
My submission: if u feel dt d church (in ur case d religious institution) owns 10% of ur earnings, go right ahead. I knw dt d church (in my case d ppl who christ died for including my parents, friends, brothers, widows, orphans etc) own 100% of mine & I administer as I deem fit.
No one will bring me into a bondage Christ set us free. Me sef I b man of God. I rest my case.

ighoosagie:
See many likes, people dey like nonsense sha

ighoosagie:
See many likes, people dey like nonsense sha

Bidam: ABEG COMOT JOOR . After we don talk about heb 7 tire una con open this yeye thread say tithes na for widows abi? Jesus our Melchizedek High priest is weeping in heaven for you guys right now..you better repent and give to God what belongs to GOD.

Bidam: ABEG COMOT JOOR . After we don talk about heb 7 tire una con open this yeye thread say tithes na for widows abi? Jesus our Melchizedek High priest is weeping in heaven for you guys right now..you better repent and give to God what belongs to GOD.

Bidam: YOU ARE GODLESS AND SILLY.THIS IS MY LAST POST TO YOU.