Bidam: MY BRO..THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE FALSE TEACHINGS HAS LED SO MANY ASTRAY THAT I WEEP FOR THE CHURCH...DISTORTION AND TWISTING OF SCRIPTURES AND CLAIMS THAT SINCE MALACHI IS OT..IT IS DONE AWAY WITH..WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WILL HE STILL FIND FAITH IN THE EARTH? MAY GOD HELP THE ELECT.

Bidam: BRO..RATHER you are the one who is blind to scriptural truth...so na until JESUS CHRIST appear to you and tell you to tithe before you go believe abi? my bro..go back to your first love..many are being led astray by false doctrines these days..becos they think tithes is for pastors and not Jesus..Thank GOD for the HOLY SPIRIT.

frosbel2:

I was banned for 2 days for calling the Pope the Anti-Christ

frosbel2:

Stop being a hypocrite bro, you cannot pick one part of the law while rejecting the rest.

Also , you cannot pick one part of the tithe law and reject the rest , this is plain hypocrisy and it is a product of brainwashing.

For example, I am allowed to buy gulder or star with my tithes but people like you who belong the organisations of MEN will call this SIN.

".... Then shalt thou TURN IT INTO MONEY, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt GO unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul LUSTETH after, for oxen, or for sheep, or FOR WINE, or FOR STRONG DRINK, or for whatsoever thy soul DESIRETH: and thou shalt EAT THERE before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household " -- Deut. 14:22-26

Here we can see God's children eating the tithes and even drinking alcolhol.

Ehhmm, I am waiting for your twisted feedback

christemmbassey: bro dont feel defeated, like i said , we are not here to win arguments, but to learn and teach each other, grow and become better christians, lets not engage in deaf and dumb or buhari arguments, if u have superior point bring out, we say the christian is not suposed to pay tithe with scriptures to back it up, if u believe otherwise show us a verse where Christ recieved or paid tithe, or where Paul, Peter, John etc paid to or collected tithes from christians. Speak the TRUTH and shame the devil. God bless.

christemmbassey: the bible call ppl like you 'profane' because u make men think they can buy the love of God, after stealing, selling their bodies, doing ritual etc they bring ur 10% u collect blood money and tell them it is well. You kill a mans conscience and tell him It is well?, you keep aside the cross and look up to naira and u say u know Christ. See the diff between u and me, when u pray, u tell God, "i have paid my tithe" when i pray, i say, "father thank you for giving me all things in Christ" as a son, i enter and lambano but as a law observer u beg. Bro wisdom is the main thing, therefor,get wisdom.....

alexleo: Stop being confused. When you give tithe with a loan its no more a tithe that you are giving. You give a tenth of your profit. Is loan a profit? NONSENSE. Thats why i said any pastor who ask people to give tithe with loan is being wicked and of course what the person is paying is no more tithe.He is only satisfying his greed. Offering also are not to be paid with loan. You give according to what you have and how the spirit of God leads you. Confused teacher stop mixing up issues. You are the one picking up old testament when it suits your senseless opinion and discarding it when it doesnt fit into it. NONSENSE.

Bidam: GOOD QUESTION..this is what paul wrote"If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we should reap material
things from you?" (1 Corinthians 9:11, NASB).

frosbel2:

^^^^^^^

So how come tithing is not mentioned once in the acts of the apostles or any of the letters written by the apostles.

Why are the Gentiles told to only abstain from fornication and not to eat meat with the blood in it?

If tithing was such an important aspect of their worship, why is it not talked about.

Because it was not a valid part of this new faith.


Stop this fraud!!

alexleo:

STOP YOUR OWN FRAUD. I pity innocent souls you are misleading with your useless teachings. See what pride has led you into. You feel you know the bible with all your satanic interpretations of it. You ve become a rebel in the house of God. It is only those who have not read your posts that wont understand your problem. You seek to know the truth of God's word but pride has polluted you. BE CAREFUL. GOD IS NOT A RESPECTER OF PERSONS.

Bidam: it might be a burden to you..but it is NEVER a burden to me i make bold to say with all humilIty and sincerity that i give my tithes to JESUS and i ALSO DO CHARITY DEEDS to those in NEED in the church..giving is by grace not by compulsion..no one will put a gun to your head if you don't give..is it not funny that God hAS AMAZING WAYS OF PROVIDING FOR HIS CHURCH EVEN IF BELIEVERS DON'T RESPOND WHEN THERE IS A CALL TO GIVE IN CHURCH?

Acidosis: Crap!

God did not say you should give your TITHE (God's 1/10th demand) to the poor...

If you want to give to the poor, c'mon, you can even give your FULL salary after paying the tithe to the church..
You can get a big loan and give to the poor, NO ONE will stop you..

And only a f00l will practise that which you suggested...
You don't need to show the whole congregation what you want to give.... Invite them to your house, pack your belongings and money and properties for them
BUT
Your tithe is for God! Try and change his order by trying to use your "professor wisdom" and you're doomed...
If God wanted us to do that, he'd have given us the commandment!

These things have been written before our greatgrandfathers were born and you can not change it with your JET age 21st century terrestial sense...

Bro, I already feel trying to bring you and fellow tithers to knowledge is a lost cause, but I'll still try.

Firstly, do you understand that because a law exist in the old testament, it doesn't have to apply to Christianity which is founded on the NEW COVENANT promised by God and established by Christ? The old testament contains records of Judaism, with laws commanded by God. He was not satisfied with the observance of those laws based on the old covenant so he promised another that was testated to with the blood of Christ. And the litany of rules and regulations contained in the law became nullified.

Secondly, evidence of this is rampant in the bible-new testament, with St.Paul rebuking Jewish Christians for trying to institutionalise jewish law(circumcision, Sabbath, passover etc) as christian faith. He warned rightly that the law was of no benefit to those who are saved by the blood of the lamb.

, again, a law commanded to be observed in the old testament under the law does not auto transfer to the new testament. Both are different books under 2 different covenants established by the same God. Christ directed his disciples to go forth and spread HIS gospel and his own rules leading to salvation being the testator of the new covenant. Hence the 10commandments of old were reduced to 2, an adultress was spared her life against dictates of the law, he was accussed of not holding the sabbath sacred by healing a man, he gave us the beatitudes, he gave us the parable of doing good works to our neighbours as being done to him. If you must live by laws, then these are christian laws to emulate. Why adhere to obsolete jewish laws that God himself found displeasing and of no benefit to him who observed it?

About false doctrine, can you point to christian scripture(new testament) that support tithes? We all know that the levitical priesthood stands nullified under the new covenant, we know that pastors are not levites, most have enough inheritance both on the land and even in the air, we know Christ never promised his disciples a reward taxed from their converts, we know from the acts and pauline letters that tithing did not exist in the early church, we know for FACT that it was the Catholic Church using state apparatus that introduced tithes into christianity to consolidate its temporal powers and advance a church/state political system of government within a christianized roman empire.

Lastly, the parable of the pharisee and sinner records that christ said the the pharisee had ignored other weightier matters of the LAW but should still have delivered his tithes of agricultural produce. We learn from this that tithes was of the law and under the law it wasn't one of the weightiest of obligations, we know Christ was yet alive at this point so the law was still relevant up to the point he was crucified, we also learn from this parable that the sinner only asked for MERCY while the pharisee gave a reel of religious SACRIFICES he was making like keeping the rules of sabbath, paying his tithes etc. Christ noted that the sinner went home more justified.

So I close with this true advice given by christ: "I will have mercy not sacrifice"!

frosbel2:


I am not one of those who has suspended his brain and allows himself to be manipulated by frauds.

Carry your threats elsewhere.

I do not do Apostolic faith church or deeper life, I do Jesus and he has nothing to do with the fraud called Tithing.

enilove:


Jesus told us that he has not come to abolish the law.

Tithe is relevant,if the new testament did not mention categorically that tithe is abolished,that means d apostles were faithful in tithing and never thought of not paying it.

The tithe is used by the church to spread the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

WISE THINKING IS:

If I pay my tithe to the pastor, can it hinder me from making heaven? If it is no,then it is better to pay it.

If I do not pay my tithe, can it hinder me from making heaven, if it is not abolished by God.?If it can hinder on the ground of robbery,& disobedience,then it is wise to pay the tithe.

If it is not required,and i did not pay. Would I have the same reward in heaven with those that paid their tithes foolishly to the pastors? Definitely not. At least part of the tithe will be used for God by the pastor.Like generating electrical power during service,printing of tracts,paying for the rental bill of the church premises or erecting the chuch building. Such a giver of d tithe will share in the reward.

If you read Matt 23:23 Jesus said" Woe to you,Scribes,Pharasees,hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin,& have neglected d WEIGHTIER matters of the law :justice and mercy and faithfulness.These you OUGHT TO HAVE DONE,WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS.
This means it is compulsory but should be in conjuction with the other more important part of the law,like Justice etc.

Matt 5:20 "For I tell u ,unless ur righteousness exceeds that of d scribes and Pharasees,you will NEVER ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. The Pharasees used to pay their tithes ,u too must pay your tithes,they negnected Justice ,mercy etc but you must add these to ur tithe, b4 you can make heaven.

Jesus said in Matt5:17 That he did not come to abolish the law.......19 "Ther4 whoever relaxes one of these commandments & teaches others to do d same will be called least in d kingdom of heaven,but he whoever DOES THEM & teaches them will be called great in d kingdom of heaven.

Non payment of tithe or payment to the widows or less previledged is relaxing the law.
An able bodied person will star to go to church toward end of the month,knowing that people will dstribute their tithes to him,as long as he puts on a torn cloth.

Another point is, if a widow collects tithe from a church member,who would she pay her tithe to?To the church or to a less priviledged widow? That second reciever would look for somebody else to give his tithe to ; and it will go on and on until it will no longer be divisible.This is confusion,unless the less priviledged will not pay tithe . If they do not pay tithe, then the giver of the tithe is also not bound to give his tithe.
Then the church of God will not have funds to finance its projects. The land on which ur church was erected was purchsed ,d building,the chairs,microphones,generators, goes into millions of naira.Monthly rental of space for some chuches is up to #300,000.00 per month
If you do not drop ur tithe, are u ready to follow what the early chuch practised in Acts 4:34"There was not a needy person among them ,for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them & brought proceeds of what was sold".

They paid more than tithes,there is no law against this.

My advice to yoy and others is "LET US FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.

To be carnally minded is death,but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Pay your tithe to ur pastor ,what he does with the tithe is no longer our business,he will give account of it on the day of judgement.

Thanks.

[size=14pt]Satan's Infernal Revenue Service[/size]
Isaiah 56:11; Prov.22:16; Hosea 4:6; I Tim.6:5,10

I received a short newsletter in the e-mail which taught that we must not love money more than God. True, so far. It went into a shortlist of things we shouldn't love more than God. What stuck out like a sore thumb was the writer's assertion that we should never say: We can't give money to God because we must feed our kids!

What shameful religious chicanery! It doesn't take a high I.Q. to figure out the possible motivation behind that statement. Such a tactic appeals to people's sense of guilt and lets them know that if they feed their kids before they pay the preacher, they don't really love the Lord very much.

This article begs a question, too: When we give money to "God", does the Lord of Hosts up in the Heavenlies reach down His hand to take it because He is so poor He is about to go bankrupt? Does it not, rather, end up in some MAN'S bank account to fund the projects (or pleasureable things) which are dear to him? Isn't it just as legitimate to give to the Lord by giving alms to the poor as He leads? There is much more teaching in the New Testament about giving to the poor than to the preacher, though both forms of giving are Scriptural and sometimes necessary.

What constitutes giving to the Lord? Many take that to mean the act of givng only to professionally trained pulpit ministers. People are insidiously taught that the giving we do to our own loved ones and friends is an incidental expense and does not count toward giving to the Lord. But if anyone supposes our own Christian families and friends don't count as being in the Lord, that is flawed theology. Nowhere in the New Testament do you find the Body of Christ divided into clergy and laity, though each member has different gifts and callings (Rom.12:3-8 ).

When we feed our children, we minister also to the Lord, for whenever we do something kind for the LEAST of these His brethren, we do it also unto Him (Matt.25:31-46).. Let the children FIRST be filled, not after some professional preacher's pet projects have been financed. It is not meet (fitting) to take the children's bread and give it unto the building fund, a new steeple, etc. (principle based on Mark 7:27). Jesus taught the Pharisees that it is wrong to take money which ought to have gone toward feeding elderly parents and dedicate it to the Temple (Mark 7:10-13). Preachers today liken the Jewish Temple to the brick and mortar sheep shed where Christians congregate on Sunday. But just what IS the Temple of the New Covenant? God’s true Temple is built of living stones (I Peter 2:5). It is comprised of the whole Body of Christ's believers, not just the so-called clergy (Eph.2:18-22).

Jesus says in Matthew 10:42 that even if you give a cup of cold water to one of His little ones who believe in Him, you in no wise lose your reward! How shameful, that the idea is conveyed today in Christendom that only money counts as giving, and even then such giving is only acknowledged by God when it goes directly into the treasury of the institutional church.

Countless old ladies in America have dined on cat food in order to provide luxuries for TV preachers. And like a snake charmer, many smooth-talking preachers mesmerize their listeners into complying with them. The most beautiful religious lies are told to pry money out of God's poor people.

Alms were taken up in the New Testament mainly to feed the POOR, not construct new buildings. If any man provide not FOR HIS OWN HOUSE, he is counted as worse than an infidel who has denied the faith (I Tim.5:8 ). When people feel forced to give to professional ministers FIRST to the point of neglecting their own hungry families, they are being forced to be "worse than an infidel". Whoever DELIBERATELY instills guilt in Christians who feed their families first, so as to re-channel that money unto themselves, also falls into that category.

The Lord spoke this word to me on forced religious giving:

My heart is grieved by the mass exodus from the church of people who truly love me and can take no more pressure to give until it hurts. Many are so blinded by their tears of frustration that they not only desert the institutional church but keep their distance from anything which even remotely resembles true commitment to Christ. In their bewildered minds they cannot discern the difference. Why? These former followers of Mine were brainwashed and hoodwinked into casting their bread upon the waters so they could wait many, many days for their shipload of fruit to come in for seed sown.

Well, I cannot put My seal of approval upon error, even when that error is obeyed out of ignorance. My people are destroyed through lack of knowledge of the truth. He who gives to greedy dogs who can never have enough shall sink into the despair of deeper darkness and poverty. So many of My people found that their ship sank long before it reached the happy shore of fulfilment of their desires. But deception is like an intoxicating drug. You swear that you have had your very last fix and will take no more, but so many lack the courage to break free of error. It is a binding spirit of deception which holds My people in grievous bondage. Multitudes of disappointed Prosperity devotees are told to wait for the next wave to come in, then the next and the next. Perhaps next month, maybe next year, Scripture-twisters say, I will pour out blessings from heaven too numerous to count, if only those poor souls will keep on tithing out of their poverty and cheerfully do without the things they and their children need daily.

Those who cannot be persuaded to continue giving to satan's infernal revenue agents without visible reward are bound to their masters through other means. Threats issue from the pulpit that I will punish those who refuse to surrender to their teachers a tenth of their earned income or other monetary assets. Marinated in error, saints are brainwashed into associating Me, their loving Heavenly Father, with Pharaoh, who would not relent on the daily quota of bricks his overworked slaves must deliver. Only eternity will tell the heartbreak, emotional trauma and family feuds which are directly attributable to being taught a flawed, demonic concept of my nature and My relationship to My beloved Bride, the Church. Such crafty peddlers of lies who oppress my people skate on a very thin line which borders on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because their slanderous sermons on giving impugn my character and rob Me of reputation as a God of perfect love.

Guilt-ridden saints fear to approach My Presence anymore, because they are taught that you must never appear before God empty. Yet those same unscrupulous prosperity teachers who teach you to come before Me with both hands full sometimes teach that you can only receive from Me if you hold out empty hands to receive! Why the inconsistency? To deny My all-sufficiency in presenting you guiltless before God the Father is to blaspheme against the precious offering of My Blood upon the heavenly Altar and to call it an inadequate offering on your behalf.

Just as sharks can smell blood a mile away, so those greedy infernal revenue agents can smell money from afar. So they hold infernal revenue services geared toward buttering up the congregants and getting them to open wide their purse strings, much more than their hearts, supposedly to Jesus.

These sleazy snakes are not My representatives anymore than Judas was my representative after he betrayed Me. And in My sight, they are every bit as bad because they have sold out My reputation in the sight of men for a bag of filthy lucre.

Those who know the real truth but hide it beneath a bushel basket in order to profiteer from the childlike innocence of babes in Christ, such shall suffer the greater damnation in the Day of Judgment, saith the Lord unto His Beloved Bride the Church. So do not cater to their lusts, and do not bow down before them as Baal lords. For most assuredly I have not sent these infernal revenue agents to bleed you dry.

Satan has.

Source

frosbel2:

^^^^^^^

So how come tithing is not mentioned once in the acts of the apostles or any of the letters written by the apostles.

Why are the Gentiles told to only abstain from fornication and not to eat meat with the blood in it?

If tithing was such an important aspect of their worship, why is it not talked about.

Because it was not a valid part of this new faith.


Stop this fraud!!

Bidam: studying the bible with a preconceived ideas..remove that satanic blindfoldness from your eyes..read the whole bible concerning tithing.. Abraham Commenced it (Ge. 14:18-20). Jacob Continued it (Ge. 28:20-22). Moses Confirmed it (Le. 27:30). Malachi Commanded it (Mal. 3:10). Jesus Commended it (Mt. 23:23). God Commissioned it (1 Co. 9:14). Paul Conformed it (1 Co. 16:2). A study of these Scriptures shows that tithing is a scriptural principle. Abraham and Jacob tithed 500 years BEFORE the Law was instituted. Moses, Malachi, and Jesus spoke of tithing DURING the period of the Law. The Apostle Paul explained tithing AFTER the Law. Christians ought to tithe!

christemmbassey: pls can you show us a verse in the bible whe Jesus said we should pay tithe to him or better still where he collected tithes while here on earth. If he did not collect tithe while he was on earth, what is he going to do with mo€y now that he's in heaven? Abi im want buy long spand to roof ur own part of mansion?. Whether u like it or not, this scam must stop now. God give u the grace to stop this scam.

Acidosis: Crap!

God did not say you should give your TITHE (God's 1/10th demand) to the poor...

If you want to give to the poor, c'mon, you can even give your FULL salary after paying the tithe to the church..
You can get a big loan and give to the poor, NO ONE will stop you..

And only a f00l will practise that which you suggested...
You don't need to show the whole congregation what you want to give.... Invite them to your house, pack your belongings and money and properties for them
BUT
Your tithe is for God! Try and change his order by trying to use your "professor wisdom" and you're doomed...
If God wanted us to do that, he'd have given us the commandment!

These things have been written before our greatgrandfathers were born and you can not change it with your JET age 21st century terrestial sense...

kufre2010: bros what do Jesus mean when he said we should not accumulate too much wealth instead we should give it to the poor. Or is it better to let the poor die while pastor are using this money in servicing private jets?

christemmbassey: pls can you show us a verse in the bible whe Jesus said we should pay tithe to him or better still where he collected tithes while here on earth. If he did not collect tithe while he was on earth, what is he going to do with mo€y now that he's in heaven? Abi im want buy long spand to roof ur own part of mansion?. Whether u like it or not, this scam must stop now. God give u the grace to stop this scam.

frosbel2: [img]http://3.bp..com/_ZXrTvfP6GJU/RgqGEhjsXSI/AAAAAAAAAEI/sMwGaViTyss/s320/tithing.jpg[/img]