italo: Okay...

So can you give me evidence or proof that love, imagination, hate exist?

Thank you.

Yes. Love is mental state that produce measurable physiological reactions. If we can detect the minute changes in blood pressure, dilated pupils, pulse rate, increase in blood sugar, increase in the blood levels for the feel-good hormone melatonin, etc, then we can prove the existence of love and its' direct opposite hate.

Well, you dont have physical or scientific evidence of that.

...Yet you believe it.

It only becomes a problem when religious people do same.

Hypocrisy.

This is not a contest for 'most intelligent theist.'

So far, none of you has been able to refute my claims.

All you have offered is wild rants.

Mr Troll: We give up!!!

i must say this though, Anony is by far the most intelligent theist in this forum, despite his frequent Anonyisms. And being that he was an atheist only goes to show. . .

italo: Well, you dont have physical or scientific evidence of that.

...Yet you believe it.

It only becomes a problem when religious people do same.

Hypocrisy.

This is not a contest for 'most intelligent theist.'

So far, none of you has been able to refute my claims.

All you have offered is wild rants.

Cat scans and MRIs can measure and color code pleasure,pain and love in the brain.

For example, under a catscan or MRI, my brain images would change color when I see or talk about my lovely children and would do likewise when I see or talk about pentecostal fraudsters or pedophile priests, the people that I hate most in my life.

Imagination? Dreams?

plaetton:

Yes. Love is mental state that produce measurable physiological reactions. If we can detect the minute changes in blood pressure, dilated pupils, pulse rate, increase in blood sugar, increase in the blood levels for the feel-good hormone melatonin, etc, then we can prove the existence of love and its' direct opposite hate.

italo: Okay...

So can you give me evidence or proof that love, imagination, hate exist?

Thank you.

we give up o italo!

How do you know it is love and not likeness...or desire...or infatuation...or just a meaningless reaction?

plaetton:

Yes. Love is mental state that produce measurable physiological reactions. If we can detect the minute changes in blood pressure, dilated pupils, pulse rate, increase in blood sugar, increase in the blood levels for the feel-good hormone melatonin, etc, then we can prove the existence of love and its' direct opposite hate.

italo: Imagination? Dreams?

Yes. Have you heard of REM sleep and the studies associated with it?

Anything that emanates from the brain leaves biochemical trails that can me observed and calibrated.

bp

italo: How do you know it is love and not likeness...or desire...or infatuation...or just a meaningless reaction?

huh?

So I can be infatuated , desirous with my children?
Is that a joke or what?

italo just wants to prove god exists by force. i forgot to even ask him which of the gods?

nnofaith: italo just wants to prove god exists by force. i forgot to even ask him which of the gods?

His catholic god and his wife santa maria. .

You see the crap you are saying.

How do you prove dreams and imaginations?

Okay, if you insist, give me one example of a dream that was proven scientifically and tell me the contents of the dream.

Same goes for imagination...

And thoughts

plaetton:

Yes. Have you heard of REM sleep and the studies associated with it?

Anything that emanates from the brain leaves biochemical trails that can me observed and calibrated.

Another wild meaningless rant from another Atheist.

mazaje:

His catholic god and his wife santa maria. .

FAITH=DOUBT, RELIGIOUS FAITH= Extreme Form Of Atheism.

you know that is interesting...there MAY be some truth to that.

Ewu...havent you read where I said I'm not interested in proving God's existence to dunces who dont know that contradictory opinions about something doesnt necessarily mean it is non-existent?

nnofaith: italo just wants to prove god exists by force. i forgot to even ask him which of the gods?

Can you prove that you cant?

Afterall, there are many people who sleep with their children.

You havent given me proof that love exists.

plaetton:

huh?

So I can be infatuated , desirous with my children?
Is that a joke or what?

italo
house finished your case when he said "you cant reason with religious pple, if you could there would be no religious pple"

italo: Another wild meaningless rant from another Atheist.

What ever, the problem is your god has specific qualities and attributes, he is not the non interventionist deist type of god you are trying to sell. . .God remains a human idea, as such no god can be shown to exist on its own without human, writings, stories, human and societal acceptance etc. . .Once people stop believing in a particula god idea it dies, once people beging to believe in a particular god idea it lives, 5000 years ago, your jesus god was not in existence because the idea had not yet be conceieved, 2000 years ago allah god was non existent because people had not yet developed that idea and written books about him yet. . .the god that existed in ancient egypt was ra amun now that god is dead because people have stopped writing about him and believing in him. . .Your god is dying in the west. . .Even people that believe in the god idea you subscribe to have diferent ideas and conception of such a good. . .That is why we have many denominations of christianity, with different bibles, mode of worship and different ideas of who god is to them and how god acts or should act. . .God REMAINS a man made idea as such no god can be shown to exist on its own independednt of human input. . .Your god remains a man made idea simple. . .If your god ecist then so does Zeus, allah, shiva , Ra amun, and all the other gods and goddesse out there. . .

italo: You see the crap you are saying.

How do you prove dreams and imaginations?

Okay, if you insist, give me one example of a dream that was proven scientifically and tell me the contents of the dream.

Same goes for imagination...

And thoughts

Wow. i can't believe that you would say that.
You must be really desperate.
It is very interesting that this goes right to the meat of my intended thesis on this thread.
Everything now dovetails right into fear and doubt.

We have successfully , but inadvertently cornered you into the fear=doubt mode.

By your incoherent tone, what I would call "religious decoherence", we can observe that you have become fearful of not defending your faith strong enough. Fear is creeping in. Your deep doubts risk being exposed, hence the recourse to ill logic.
I would not be surprised if you suddenly whip out the spiritual immunity card and start waxing spiritual.

plaetton:

Wow. i can't believe that you would say that.
You must be really desperate.
It is very interesting that goes right to the meat of my intended thesis on this thread.
Everything now dovetails right into fear and doubt.

We have successfully , but inadvertently cornered you into the fear=doubt mode.

By your incoherent tone, what I would call "religious decoherence", we can observe that you have become fearful of not defending your faith strong enough. Fear is creeping in. Your deep doubts risk being exposed, hence the recourse to ill logic.
I would not be surprised if you suddenly whip out the spiritual immunity card and start waxing spiritual.

I keep asking them to exlain what sprititual means and every time I do, i get some incoherent gibberish. . .

mazaje:

I keep asking them to exlain what sprititual means and every time I do, i get some incoherent gibberish. . .

Na wa o.
Infact, I am working on a new thread on Spirituality, once again.
It's neigh time we put it to the test, and ultimately to the sword.

Coming from someone who thinks that contradictory opinions mean a thing is non-existent.

nnofaith: italo
house finished your case when he said "you cant reason with religious pple, if you could there would be no religious pple"

Many words...

Zero meaning...

plaetton:

Wow. i can't believe that you would say that.
You must be really desperate.
It is very interesting that this goes right to the meat of my intended thesis on this thread.
Everything now dovetails right into fear and doubt.

We have successfully , but inadvertently cornered you into the fear=doubt mode.

By your incoherent tone, what I would call[b] "religious decoherence"[/b], we can observe that you have become fearful of not defending your faith strong enough. Fear is creeping in. Your deep doubts risk being exposed, hence the recourse to ill logic.
I would not be surprised if you suddenly whip out the spiritual immunity card and start waxing spiritual.

What has inability to explain the way you want it explained got to do with anything?

Can you explain the love you have for your mother?

mazaje:

I keep asking them to exlain what sprititual means and every time I do, i get some incoherent gibberish. . .

italo: Coming from someone who thinks that contradictory opinions mean a thing is non-existent.

you need a high level of grace to understand all these!

You are just speculating. How are you sure that I do not perceive Jesus everyday?

You have no evidence for what you are saying.

mazaje:

What ever, the problem is your god has specific qualities and attributes, he is not the non interventionist deist type of god you are trying to sell. . .God remains a human idea, as such no god can be shown to exist on its own without human, writings, stories, human and societal acceptance etc. . .Once people stop believing in a particula god idea it dies, once people beging to believe in a particular god idea it lives, 5000 years ago, your jesus god was not in existence because the idea had not yet be conceieved, 2000 years ago allah god was non existent because people had not yet developed that idea and written books about him yet. . .the god that existed in ancient egypt was ra amun now that god is dead because people have stopped writing about him and believing in him. . .Your god is dying in the west. . .Even people that believe in the god idea you subscribe to have diferent ideas and conception of such a good. . .That is why we have many denominations of christianity, with different bibles, mode of worship and different ideas of who god is to them and how god acts or should act. . .God REMAINS a man made idea as such no god can be shown to exist on its own independednt of human input. . .Your god remains a man made idea simple. . .If your god ecist then so does Zeus, allah, shiva , Ra amun, and all the other gods and goddesse out there. . .

Okay. Now, run along.

nnofaith: you need a high level of grace to understand all these!

italo: Okay. Now, run along.

You ve been weighed, measured, and you ve been found wanting!

italo: You are just speculating. How are you sure that I do not perceive Jesus everyday?

You have no evidence for what you are saying.

I said all gods are man made, and they all remain a man made conception and idea. . you perceive jesus just as a muslim perceives allah and a hindu perceives the hindu goddess shiva. . .

italo: You are just speculating. How are you sure that I do not perceive Jesus everyday?

You have no evidence for what you are saying.

Granted.
You perceive Jesus, I perceive the FSM and pirate Mosey(pbuh).
Now, do you believe me, and what is our common denominator?

italo: You are just speculating. How are you sure that I do not perceive Jesus everyday?

You have no evidence for what you are saying.

oh! so cute, he persives jesus everyday!

Is this supposed to be your evidence that I do not perceive Jesus everyday?

Can you also prove to me that you do not believe in God?

(Scientific proof)

mazaje:

I said all gods are man made, and they all remain a man mande conception and idea. . you perceieve jesus just as a muslim perceives allah and a hindu perceieves the hindu goddess shiva. . .