Goshen360: Okay, @ idnoble135, I have seen the one you re posted, making two. I await others, if any. Thanks.

idnoble135: @Candour, i understand. Your post were sentiments. If i did not expect it, then something is wrong. I await two more brothers. They will not fail to unleash sentiment.
You sir, need not to weep for me. Is it not interesting that your response was clouded with emotions? Not a single bible verse! Where is the grace that should salt you comment? Even if i was wrong, where is the tenderness in the rebuke. This is a shame on modern christianity.
Simply because someone has dissenting views, we go all out on them.
Ride on pls. God is your strength.

idnoble135: Finish those first. I bet it might take a long time for you to get finished with them.
Slow and steady....

Goshen360:

Okay, let's take it slowly with tenderness to correct. Let's address the first issue, you quoted Matthew 23:23. Do you believe Jesus talking to scribes and pharisee = talking to his disciples?

Let's take it from there.

Alwaystrue: You answered already.

idnoble135:
As His immediate audience, yes!

Alwaystrue: @Idnoble,
I believe the 'do' part you meant Jesus was doing before he taught in Acts 1:1 was the 'giving' part for clarity sake since that is what i know that means without being told, because as usual it is being twisted to mean He received what will lawfully be going to the priesthood of that time as we know He fulfilled the law. I still believe this would have been before he started His ministry sha since we have no records.
Thanks, this is for those who will view the thread as usually even our words are easily twisted to suit base desires.
Thanks.

idnoble135: @Candour and Christembassy, i was not caught off guard by your replies. I've read it on other threads and i've pondered on it.
I believe that excuse is not valid. I guess everywhere we read in the bible something like... "and Jesus spoke to the crowd saying..." we should ignore it because we are not the crowd.
When he spoke to the disciples in Acts 1:8, he was not referring to us because he was speaking to the disciples. That excuse is very lame bro.
See, every word Jesus said might not apply to us directly but it will carry principles that are vital for us. You think all what Jesus was saying was just to make a point to the Pharisee alone? If it were, there would be no need to include it in the Bible because it is irrelevant to us. After all, John told us that there were alot of things He said and did that were not recorded. In the same John, he let us know he spoke only what He heard. And the Father's word in the Scriptures are meant for us.
Okay, look at Mathew 16, Jesus was speaking and He made it clear that the "great confession" which Peter uttered were not revealed by flesh and blood but by the Father.
By your theory, we can also conclude that all what God meant was only Peter can get revelation since Jesus was not talking to us nor the apostles but Peter.
But thats wrong, the principle there is there are things that we can not know via our natural human faculties. But God is telling us a principle here that He can reveal to us what we can in no way know via our carnal understanding.
Now to the verse...

“What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful
to tithe even the tiniest
income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God.
You should tithe, yes, but do
not neglect the more
important things. Luke 11:42NLT

I guess we can overlook this also because Jesus was talking to the Pharisees right?
What a joke!

idnoble135: Lemme make a little contribution to the thread.
First, i would that, it be clear that i'm not a pastor or whatsoever anyone might think. The thinking of some as regards to the subject that anyone who agrees to such is brain washed or a pastor is shameful.
That point made, i'd add to what has been said that the subject is yet in existence and is valid.
My point comes from the word of the Master himself. The words of the Master is greater than the words of every one in the scriptures. His words can never fail.
And i yet discover that the Lord did not intend that tithe should go extinct.
We know the Lord is supreme and He is greater than Moses. The authority He commands is one that Moses did not have.
And we read of how the Master showed that when He brought the law of Moses to a wrap and introduced Kingdom principles (which the law was trying to do).
The master showed it here,

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in
danger of the judgment.’
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment. And whoever says
to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be
in danger of the council. But
whoever says, ‘You fool!’
shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:21-22

Here, the Lord showed Supremacy when He said, BUT I SAY UNTO YOU....
Again, the Master said on another occassion,

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou
shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a
woman to lust after her hath
committed adultery with her
already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-29

Again, we see the Lord's supremacy when He used the phrase "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". The "BUT" showed He was bringing a change here.
But now, the Lord comes to the issue of tithe and behold what he said,
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue
and every herb, and neglect
justice and the love of God.
These you ought to have
done, without neglecting the
others. Luke 11:42ESV

Is it not revealing? The Lord did not use the phrase, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". Instead, He said, These you ought to have
done. Thats one big reason to show the Lord never abolished it.
By this, we understand that the Lord never put an end to it, He commended it.
Tithing is not yet extinct. If the Master was aware of it and did not personally scrap it but approved it, i see no reason why some one should try to convince me other wise.
Shalom!

idnoble135: I have said it, whosoever reads with an open mind will find the truth.

idnoble135: No pls.... The same questions i have asked you is the same i'm asking Goshen and none of you have yet been to provide appropriate answers to.
You've both dodged answering directly.
It is well o. Till the day those questions are properly answered and the rest which i have are duly attended to, dont expect me to swallow what you guys peddle.

idnoble135: lol... I dont engage discussions on topics that are on the front page. It will create too many distractions.
Besides, why the thread? I already read it. Why not this thread?

Enigma: If Matthew 23:23 applies to Christians, what about Mark 10:21 which is even about what to do to gain eternal life!

Jesus said: “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

So, how many of our Matthew 23:23 people are selling all they have, giving to the poor, then following Jesus --- so that they may have eternal life?

Or tithes in Matthew 23 is more important than eternal life in Mark 21?