idnoble135: Like you said, the word was spoken for the young man to have eternal life.
We must not forget that the young man said he already obeyed the law of Moses from his youth.
Under the dispensation, obeying the law was all that was needed to gain eternal life (because we already learned in Romans that the law was ordained to life).
In this era, we do not give to gain eternal life. Because Christ has given it to us via His death and resurrection.

idnoble135: @Enigma, LOL.
I've got questions too. At least i responded to yours and you termed it 'excuses'.

Zikkyy:

what are saying? That eternal life is free for all now? We don't need to obey anything anymore?

idnoble135:
lol... I know where you are headed. Tithes will not take anyone to hell. Rejecting Christ is what will. We are saved by Christ not tithes.

Enigma:

In that case, you have not really given us any genuine reason why we should follow the statement on tithes in Matthew 23:23 but not the statement on eternal life in Mark 10:21 (etc).

It would seem obvious, even as you now suggest indirectly, that any statement on eternal life is more important and demanding/deserving of our attention than one on tithes!

idnoble135:
Saying i dont discuss salvation is a wrong assumption. This is my first time of talking about tithe. My posts on threads also bear evangelistic tone. Maybe you could do research well before wrongly insinuating me.

Enigma:

I have not said or even suggested what you are claiming here!

Read my post again: my question is why should we follow the statement on "tithes" but not the one on eternal life?

Enigma:

I have not said or even suggested what you are claiming here!

Read my post again: my question is why should we follow the statement on "tithes" but not the one on eternal life?

Enigma:

I have not said or even suggested what you are claiming here!

Read my post again: my question is why should we follow the statement on "tithes" but not the one on eternal life?

idnoble135: Lemme make a little contribution to the thread.
First, i would that, it be clear that i'm not a pastor or whatsoever anyone might think. The thinking of some as regards to the subject that anyone who agrees to such is brain washed or a pastor is shameful.
That point made, i'd add to what has been said that the subject is yet in existence and is valid.
My point comes from the word of the Master himself. The words of the Master is greater than the words of every one in the scriptures. His words can never fail.
And i yet discover that the Lord did not intend that tithe should go extinct.
We know the Lord is supreme and He is greater than Moses. The authority He commands is one that Moses did not have.
And we read of how the Master showed that when He brought the law of Moses to a wrap and introduced Kingdom principles (which the law was trying to do).
The master showed it here,

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in
danger of the judgment.’
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment. And whoever says
to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be
in danger of the council. But
whoever says, ‘You fool!’
shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:21-22

Here, the Lord showed Supremacy when He said, BUT I SAY UNTO YOU....
Again, the Master said on another occassion,

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou
shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a
woman to lust after her hath
committed adultery with her
already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-29

Again, we see the Lord's supremacy when He used the phrase "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". The "BUT" showed He was bringing a change here.
But now, the Lord comes to the issue of tithe and behold what he said,
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue
and every herb, and neglect
justice and the love of God.
These you ought to have
done, without neglecting the
others. Luke 11:42ESV

Is it not revealing? The Lord did not use the phrase, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". Instead, He said, These you ought to have
done. Thats one big reason to show the Lord never abolished it.
By this, we understand that the Lord never put an end to it, He commended it.
Tithing is not yet extinct. If the Master was aware of it and did not personally scrap it but approved it, i see no reason why some one should try to convince me other wise.
Shalom!

Candour:

Selective obedience associated with $$$.

Goshen360:

It's called 'selective' obedience. He doesn't 'understand' what you saying, he just reading.

@ idnoble135,

lemme help you understand what Enigma is saying. If tithing as per Matthew 23:23 is "ETERNAL PRINCIPLE", why can't selling ALL AND THEN FOLLOW JESUS AS REQUIREMENT also be "eternal principle", because both statements was made by Christ.

idnoble135:
Okk... Here for you.

idnoble135:

Enigma:

Bros, I'm afraid that still does not address this specific question: why should we follow the statement on "tithes" but not the one on eternal life?

idnoble135: Like you said, the word was spoken for the young man to have eternal life.
We must not forget that the young man said he already obeyed the law of Moses from his youth.
Under the dispensation, obeying the law was all that was needed to gain eternal life (because we already learned in Romans that the law was ordained to life).
In this era, we do not give to gain eternal life. Because Christ has given it to us via His death and resurrection.

Candour:



That your programmed response to Enigma's question will not cut it. Its the same post you gave to me and Goshen. Is it a 'one size fits all post'?

See the question again

Why follow Matt 23:23 and not Mark 10:21?

idnoble135:
Post the scriptures.

idnoble135:
Post the scriptures.

Enigma:

Matthew 23:23
Jesus said: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Mark 10:21
Jesus said: “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

I hope these versions/translations are satisfactory.

idnoble135:
I already answered these questions on this thread sef. Pls, bring on something else. Cant keep repeating myself.
Or better still answer my own questions.

idnoble135: Was all the words of Jesus to people under the law?

idnoble135: @Enigma, i'm on mobile. Thats why i'm trying to keep it simple. You know how difficult it can be typing on a device.

Candour:



We saw your 'answers' bro, but it was plenty in words nothing in substance.

See the question. Why obey Matt 23:23 and leave Matt 23:1-3 and Mark 10:21 knowing fully well Christ spoke in all these references?

For me, Matt 23:23 was not talking to me the same way Matt 23:1-3 and Mark 10:21 did not talk to me. Hope you get me now?

So you that insists on Matt 23:23, why not the others?

idnoble135: Was all the words of Jesus to people under the law?

Enigma:

No!

However,

1. was He speaking according to the law, when He spoke to the youth in Mark 10?

2. was He not speaking according to the law, when he spoke to the Pharisees in Matthew 23?