War Horse:

Hello friend, I found this in the same chapter John 1:18

"18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

My understanding is that there is God - The Almighty and his only begotten Son who is Jesus Christ. Jesus can be called a god. But he is not and never God Almighty. That title is for his father - Jehovah. This is why Jehovah God, up till now, has never been seen by any man. We only know him from what his son Jesus has told and shown us of him.

http://www.jw.org/en/

Beync: If they did it to our master, how much more do you think they will do to us servants? It is expected and we are not deterred by rejection or opposition. And yes, there are right hearted ones who always receives us becos they want to know the truth.

DrugDoc: Reasonable concerned Africans reject Jehovah Witnesses (JWs) because:

1. JWs are control freaks. They[b] use the bible to separate you from your family and the society at large. Before you know it, all your friends and interactions are with JWs only[/b]. JWs teach that the devil is controlling the UN, countries, flags, birthdays celebrations, which makes you uncomfortable anywhere outside a JW environment. Then you can never leave them because they are all that you know after a few years.

2. Their teachings are flawed and baseless. Take for instance that being separate from "the world", which makes Jehovah Witnesses the only true religion. But JW's are an organization started by European-Americans. America itself is land stolen from the natives (native Americans) who have been mostly killed off and confined to refugee camps to this day. Yet JWs live in this stolen land of America and have their Headquarters in NY. They enjoy the proceeds of slavery and imperial wars of America through the schools and hospitals and infrastructure of America. Yet they claim to be "separate from the world". They even pay taxes to the devil (Beast) controlled governments that belong to the UN. They are really insane then. They make use of technology that were invented by devil organizations like the USA Army. One such invention is called the internet.

3. They change their teachings, or false prophesies. They claimed Jesus will return in 1914, then 1974 and then changed it to by the time everyone alive in 1914 would have died. How are you sure they won't change present teachings after you have sacrificed your live living by them?

4. As an African, you need to go and educate yourself on your culture and traditions and the future of your race. These white organizations are coming from super rich countries that are busy bettering their conditions here on earth while these strange religions distract you with their rubbish.

5. Some of their members secretly accept blood transfusion and conduct abortions. I am in healthcare and I know this for a FACT. I don't blame them at all, JW teachings are insane on these topics.

5. JW are probably the least educated religion in the world. But their founders were very educated men. They discourage education and will encourage you to walk the streets of Africa spreading a Judeo-christian religion. It is one of the most tragic consequences of our defeat by the Europeans for them to send their non-sense missionaries to create confusion and sheep-like Africans.
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6. Any sincere humble soul, searching for answers is ice cream to the JWs. They enjoy manipulating and controlling people, less educated and studied people at that. There are better ways an African can live his/her life than being a Jehovah's witness. Arrrghhhh!

italo: What do you mean by gospel truth?

That Jesus came in 1914?

That heaven got filled in 1935?

That Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to earth in 1925?

All these Jehovah's witnesses prophecies (and many many more) are what you call "gospel truth?"

philfearon:
I have just a Simple Question for You!
[b]How did God beget Jesus Christ{not on Earth o....Before time began} ?
If you can Quote any scripture about it,its welcome!!

Godson201333: By the way why is it that they do not like praying to God ??

Pee2k3: who is ur master? The master u dnt know and spread false news about him. if u claimed to know him den tell me who is he

Godson201333: By the way why is it that they do not like praying to God ??

Beync: sorry, I will not indulge in any blind argument with you cos it's obvious what you are in for. I converse with people who have genuine interest to discuss the truth.

try69: They should go and preach in the places where the good news has not been heard, it's good for christianity. What more do they want to tell me that I don't know OK, this is what I know

TroGunn:

True, Christ is often called "only-begotten" Son. Begotten means "to father or produce as offspring" - vocabulary.com

So, since Christ existed before coming to earth, he was "begotten" before then, as you rightly pointed out.

Here are few verses that gives a good indication how:

Proverbs 8:22 ( generally accepted to refer to Christ) - “Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works.” (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

Col 1:15 - "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"

Rev 3:14 - “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation". (English Standard Version)

From the above, best conclusion is that God created Jesus Christ as the very first creation.

JMAN05:

They pray to God thru Jesus Christ sir. If you mean the first call, they wont pray, but if the study is established, they will begin and close with prayer. ie for bible study.

philfearon:
I have just a Simple Question for You!
How did God beget Jesus Christ{not on Earth o....Before time began} ?
If you can Quote any scripture about it,its welcome!!

philfearon:
Thats cool bro...Thanks 4 the answer!!
This now leads to my main question.....Since Jesus is the first of Gods creation,how was He created/begotten?
....
Please,bear this in mind while replying me..
John1:2 "All things were made Through Him,and Without Him,nothing was made that was Made"
..
Gen1:1 "In the Beginning,God created the heavens and the earth"
I know u might be inclined to ask me why i put those verses there...But dont okay!

italo: What do you mean by gospel truth?

That Jesus came in 1914?

That heaven got filled in 1935?

That Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to earth in 1925?

All these Jehovah's witnesses prophecies (and many many more) are what you call "gospel truth?"

Godson201333: By the way why is it that they do not like praying to God ??

italo: What do you mean by gospel truth?

That Jesus came in 1914?

That heaven got filled in 1935?

That Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to earth in 1925?

All these Jehovah's witnesses prophecies (and many many more) are what you call "gospel truth?"

Pee2k3: pls check john 14:9. Jesus Christ is d same as God d father. u need holy spirit for better undastanding. dnt b carnal like Philip

italo:

I dont see answers there. I only see more Watchtower lies.

italo: "The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239

"The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

The two statements buy Jehovah's Witnesses above are contradictory.

When did Jesus actually assume power in heaven?

Akshow: I gave up on them when I heard they don't take blood transfusion no matter the condition. Who does that?

War Horse:

Fine question. Friend, have you ever read Colosians 1: 13 - 17.

Colossians 1:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Notice that it is talking about Jesus who is referred to as "His dear son". Jesus is also said to be the image of his invisible father. The how is he God Almighty? Jesus is the first person that God created. Every other thing came through Jesus

ezzy-e:


and what does Matthew 16:16 tell you

philfearon:
Thats cool bro...Thanks 4 the answer!!
This now leads to my main question.....Since Jesus is the first of Gods creation,how was He created/begotten?
....
Please,bear this in mind while replying me..
John1:2 "All things were made Through Him,and Without Him,nothing was made that was Made"
..
Gen1:1 "In the Beginning,God created the heavens and the earth"
I know u might be inclined to ask me why i put those verses there...But dont okay!

Akshow: I gave up on them when I heard they don't take blood transfusion no matter the condition. Who does that?