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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by sunepa92(m): 10:46am On Dec 01, 2013 |
njokusboy: Op you got it wrong meen, Jesus christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the light, noone comes to the father except through me.... Now it means Jesus is the saviour, any other channel is the path of damnation... Jesus to the muslims is only a prophet, an old prophet at that, they believe his teachings are outdated and subscribe to the teaching of prophet muhammed whom they believe is the NEW prophet... They don't even believe Jesus is the son of God.. So you see.. It aint about believing in jesus or not, u have to acknowledge him as your lord and personal saviour... The bible further said that the name JESUS is the only name given to man, through which he can be saved... So there are two contending issues, "those verses completely dismiss the possibility of anoda saviour, hence you can't believe in Jesus and Mohammed at the same time, matter of fact, their principles are at variance, secondly, belief in the existence of Jesus aint enough, you have to accept him as the saviour.........:.....hmmmmmmmmmmm otito oro ni dat is to say WELL SAID |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by Gabrielsylar(m): 10:46am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Excluding mctunji his phone does not have gps to heaven |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by experimentist: 10:47am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Lordsonempire: Before as a christian, I thought that heaven was made for Christians alone. But since the day I had a discussion with a Muslim friend and he explained to me that every true Muslim who practice Islam and read Quran must believe in Jesus christ. He then talk about the five pillars of islam which made it mandatory for them to believed in him. In my own opinion, Jesus Christ only said, I am the way, the truth and life, no one come to the father except through me. That mean it does not matter where you worship as far as you believed in him you are saved. Truly most Muslim believe in him and pray to him.We don't pray to him. He is not God? He is just a prophet just like Mohammad (saw). We pray to Allah alone. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by olahero(m): 10:47am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 19: إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الْإِسْلَامُ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ إِلَّا مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَهُمُ الْعِلْمُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning. Surah Maryam, Verse 20: قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste? Surah Maryam, Verse 30: قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet; Surah Maryam, Verse 31: وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; God has made everything clear to us, so we need not to be playing with our mind anymore. Asalam alaekum. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by olahero(m): 10:47am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 19: إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الْإِسْلَامُ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ إِلَّا مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَهُمُ الْعِلْمُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning. Surah Maryam, Verse 20: قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste? Surah Maryam, Verse 30: قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet; Surah Maryam, Verse 31: وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; God has made everything clear to us, so we need not to be playing with our mind anymore. Asalam alaekum. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by burberry89(m): 10:48am On Dec 01, 2013 |
ifeness: Yeshua was a real person,a poor carpenter who was a member of the Essen. Jesus is an invention of the Roman Catholic who was changed from Horus to Jesus. Jesus means "hail zeus". Those who worship jesus and celebrate Christmas and Easter are worshiping Zeus. Hmmm dats so thoughtful of you. Is there any book that also back the stories in the quran? If yes list and let's see but if no you really need help. May God forgive you. The name Jesus us despise do much today will be that same name you will run to when you start to see the consequences of you foolishness |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 10:50am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by nutarious(f): 10:51am On Dec 01, 2013 |
macof: ODE!!!!!!!!!, As if Sango dint live as a Man, married, and father children like mortals |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by chicalle(m): 10:53am On Dec 01, 2013 |
noblejames: You are confused... any Muslim wey don confess Jesus no bi muslim again e don become christian. dat particular person if ask am watin ebi e go tell u say nbi chriatian......u dey here dey confuse people abeg commotsowie pls pls,u guyz ar both cnfusng me nd urselves o,christianity iz far frm a religion o,it iz a life style,it waz in antioch dat d apostles wia cald christians becoz dy wia behaving lyk christ nd d people arund cald thm christians meanin CHRIST-LIKE O.PLS TAKE NOTE 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by Taolyn4lif(m): 10:54am On Dec 01, 2013 |
ifeness: Yeshua was a real person,a poor carpenter who was a member of the Essen. Jesus is an invention of the Roman Catholic who was changed from Horus to Jesus. Jesus means "hail zeus". Those who worship jesus and celebrate Christmas and Easter are worshiping Zeus. The Book of Mormon |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by Nobody: 10:55am On Dec 01, 2013 |
noblejames: You are confused... any Muslim wey don confess Jesus no bi muslim again e don become christian. dat particular person if ask am watin ebi e go tell u say nbi chriatian......u dey here dey confuse people abeg commotGood your brain figured it out. Your thinking was exactly what i intended. P. S You need to know check out what it means to be diplomatic. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by PreciousBro: 10:58am On Dec 01, 2013 |
My Own Argument is, Jesus is God. Came to us as Man so we'd understand the teachings more and was sacrificed as Man in flesh. I mean, was Muhammed born of a Virgin woman, conceived by the Holy Spirit ? Jesus is God the second, in the place of the Holy Trinity" God the Father, God the Son" , and God the Holy Spirit ,which still makes him God but in different form ,spirit and responsibility in heaven. Don't argue, Just believe in your doctrine and be good. Whether you're a Muslim, Christian ,etc What Matters the most is that his Teachings is of Good and Good alone, devoid of Sin/Darkness ,because of course ,he's the Light. So search your heart if he's in you, then Highlight his traits in your everyday life to yourself and to people ,only then would you make heaven. Otherwise, Na You sabi . 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 10:58am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by laylad(m): 10:58am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Thou shall not judge anybody...no matter what religion you believe in, so far your attitude is good and you're far away from sinful acts,you're on the way. Reading bible,quran,or idol-books can't make you an heaven,going to church,mosque or shrine doesn't make you holy but doing good and eschew from bad attitude makes you holy. We don't need to read books to know godly things. May God help us all. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by itsmayiela(m): 10:58am On Dec 01, 2013 |
and i keep wondering where the name "Jesus" originated from. even the native Aramaic Jews in Israel (for those that have traveled to Jerusalem will testify to this fact) call him "Yeisa". |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by toomiesyn: 11:00am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Hi,I'm new here and i specifically joined because i couldn't help but comment on this thread. I'm glad people can actually come out to defend their religion but anyway,I'm a christain and i strongly believe in the bible! I haven't read the qu'aran before but i recently stumbled on an article on the net and i must confess that it changed the way i used to think. I have so many muslim friends and i love them but i think everybody needs to see this. http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm please do read it all and drop a comment! |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by sweetcheecks(f): 11:01am On Dec 01, 2013 |
harbiola1: There is only one thing that I can highlight from your response, MOCKERY of what you have no clue of. Going forward please wipe the smyte from your face and try to argue your point without mockery and belittling of the Word of God as inferior to your mohamadian book just becouse we will not take arms in in response to your slunder, for our God fights His battles for Himself and fight ours too. Thats all I can tell you today. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 11:02am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by gbrown(m): 11:03am On Dec 01, 2013 |
IamDebola:what,s ur point? Really just can't decipher what u scribbled down? No offence, |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by noblejames: 11:03am On Dec 01, 2013 |
IamDebola:I threw the above words out as a trap for some fools like you to know how they regard the ordinary people and here you are falling into it. I like to see Nigerians cogitating about their future, how it has been mess up by the so called political and religious tussle and dichotomy leaving the entire country unproductive and baseless. I like to see Nigerian youths dissecting on ideas that will uplift their educational, health, economical and social standards not talking about religiosity that has over the years created deep animosity among the people called Nigerians…. I think nairaland should stop taking/ allowing this kind of thread.. It does not help to unite us rather causes more grievous division among us. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by Ayobamms: 11:04am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Juell: Nah, our believes about Jesus Christ is totally far from that of the Muslims.could u pls mntion those places in d bible the followin events were celebrated or mentioned. 1. Christmas 2. Easther. 3. 40 days lenght and the numbers of time jesus observe t. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 11:05am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by rman: 11:08am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Simple logic should tell us all that if there is heaven, both Muslims and Christians will be found there. Christians will never accept OP's line of reasoning because it questions the fundamentals of which Christianity was built upon. I think both Islam and Christianity are still evolving and unfortunately for us all ( religious folks) , the answers will be provided by science ( the logical thinkers) The fact that testimonies and happenings in religious settings are being tailored to suit the times point to this. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 11:09am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by toomiesyn: 11:09am On Dec 01, 2013 |
Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century and the Qur'an itself. Just a cursory look at Muhammad's Qur'an (Koran) should be enough to warn you to keep your distance from Islam: In it you will see "unbridled raw evil", such as statements like these: - Truly, god loves those who fight - Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem. - Chop off their hands and chop off their fingertips - When you meet the unbelievers, chop off their heads - Fight and slay those who don't convert wherever you find them - Believers, take neither Jew nor Christians for your friends - Those who follow Muhammad are ruthless to unbelievers - Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures" and thus deserve no mercy - Fight them until Islam reigns supreme (throughout the world) There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an (Koran) advocating the use of violence to spread Islam. There are exactly 123 verses in the Qur'an about killing and fighting. The word "Islam" has been falsely proclaimed by Muslims to mean peace. The word Islam, actually means "submission" to the Muslim god of intolerance and hatred. It comes from the root Arabic word "taslim". In Arabic, the word for peace is only "solh". The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al- Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's "Life of Muhammad" relied on the earlier works. Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called "The Expeditions of Muhammad". The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar- us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by sweetcheecks(f): 11:11am On Dec 01, 2013 |
macof: He meant Jesus Christ! There may be maybe other Jesus' but He is the only Christ hence you muslims insist on using xtians, xmas to try and emit the name Christ, instead of Christians, and Christmas which is the true represantation of Jesus the Christ. On your last question He is both. 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by macof(m): 11:11am On Dec 01, 2013 |
ghostofsparta:Gods are the same everywhere and onto all human activities they manifest. Wat makes Gods of different traditions seem different is because the way the people understand the forces are different. However It's important to Note that Yahweh is Originally not a supreme God in Hebrew/Canaanite traditions and spirituality. During the time of Abraham, the kenites(a canaanite tribe of mountain dwellers) worshipped Yahweh as the mountain God, part of the Elohim(children of El), Abraham knew Yahweh as El Shaddai El- God, Shaddai(shada-mountain, shaddu- mountain dweller) In Canaanite spirituality El Elyon is the supreme God and not Yahweh, so I find it insulting to Eledumare's personality to be equated with Yahweh a mountain God like Orisha Oke. But even at that Yahweh worship is recognized by God, Yahweh similar to Orisha Oke. And no matter how Jews and Christians try to promote Yahweh it's not their duty to elevate forces of nature. But Wat I have noticed is that the Jews being radical racist restructured The religion Moses made through the Torah(which recognized other Gods but restricted their worship) and proclaimed their national God(Yahweh) as God of the universe and God's only chosen people, and such confusions were carried into christianity. Islam is totally an Arab traditional religion despite being non-pagan. Haven't u noticed everything Islam is Arab centered, the hijab, the Koran, mosques, pilgrimage to kaaba is Cure Arab tradition not Gods instruction in respect to religion. Allah is also known as Hubal in pre-Islam Arabia, hubal was the moon god and acted as chief God being credited with creation. Mohamed's family were hubal devotees and Mecca was his city of worship. Lemme highlight few similar gods of Yoruba and other traditions Sango-Thor(Scandinavia) Sigidi-Morpheus(Greek) Osun-Aphrodite(Greek) Esu-Hermes(Greek) Oba-Hera(Greek) Oko-Freyr(Scandinavia) It's important to note that Different traditions are liable to have different spiritual understanding so that is why Paganic spiritualities are often different. And it is mental slavery and foreign brainwash to think Other people are better than ur people in matters of spirituality especially.
Not atol, Islam strives on the Paganic traditions of pre-Islam Arabia but it has broken away from paganism by proclaiming a single God of it's original numerous pantheon to be the sustaining force of the universe. Paganism is pure spirituality and unlike religion, worship is not mandatory but to recognize their existence and give due appreciation, no set rules but merely advice to grow in consciousness. Both Allah and Yahweh are names used in Pagan Arabia and Canaanland(modern Israel, Syria, Lebanon) respectively but different false attributes have been linked with these names. Pagans don't fight in the name of any God, especially not one of our own brothers. If you like kill yourself because of a God, you are no better than irreligious folks who serve their consciousness properly. 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by noblejames: 11:13am On Dec 01, 2013 |
IamDebola:At your age you should be thinking about your future that is blinking in that country your country! |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by Sallychizzl3: 11:14am On Dec 01, 2013 |
date1816: . Kaf- Ha-Ya-'Ain-Sad. Jazakumu llahu khayran brother. The qur'an already explained it in black and white. Those arguing blindly can just take a day off and study this wonderful book then you'll know no mortal man form what is in it. Ignorance is not an excuse,infact it is a disease. Leave what u'v hrd and find out the truth b/w the 2 religion. Take the qur'an(english translation is available) and bible,study it without the influence of any alfa or pastor and use the common sense God bestowed u with to judge for ursef. There's no need to get confused ova anything. Peace 1 Like |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by noblejames: 11:16am On Dec 01, 2013 |
IamDebola:u no go anywhere u dey under ikeja bridge make we hear something.... |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by sweetcheecks(f): 11:16am On Dec 01, 2013 |
macof:Yes He is God. He rose on the third day, unlike mohammed. |
Re: Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not. by IamDebola: 11:16am On Dec 01, 2013 |
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