daverebranded: not gonna say anything baud this man but when one CE guy told my junior sis that he can commit fornication with her and still make heaven coz he's a child of God mehn I can never go there to hear messages that will make me reason this way

betterpikinn: God bless sirjohn

Gombs:

Can you explain 1 John 4:17 for me? Why did Jesus say we shall do greater things than He did? Why did the Bible call him the first begotten of the father after His resurrection Rev 1:5, for He was termed as the ONLY begotten of the Father before His death as in John 1:14

If He's the first begotten, shey it means there are many others after Him, no?

kjhova:

I drove my younger sister to Healing School daily for 2 months back in 2001 when they were still at the old site in Oregun (just behind Alausa). She is wheelchair bound due to polio attack.....

For full disclosure, I am a grown up atheist & have been so for a long time. But back then, I did retain the hope that CE Healing School would prove me wrong & that my folks would be right after all. Well, I wasn't proved wrong.

lizfab:
Amen and WinsomeX too.
What a thread.

mbaemeka: Bro Gombs,

Thank you o. I shared the same things you just did on some other thread and it was like what I quoted wasn't from scripture. I am happy you are showing it to them. I have more respect for him than his friend as he sometimes discusses the scriptures. His Pal will see scriptures and runaway or isolate a miniscule aspect of your post and feign peity yet he will be starting threads and calling people's father's and husband's "Charlatans and evil".

Sometimes I wonder what they think they know if the knowledge of these scriptures is above them. It reminds me of when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus and had to ask him "Are you the leader of Israel yet you don't know all these things?".

We just have to pray like Paul that the eyes of their understanding will be enlightened so that they may know the hope of our calling and the riches of our inheritance in Christ even as he takes form in them and dwells in their heart by faith-as it is clear that it is not so as we speak. Amen.

SirJohn: @mbaemeka,
I have been trying to PM you for a while now. You seem to know about CE ojo and I'd appreciate if you respond to my PM.
there are things I don't want to say on the forum as they may involve some names.
Kindly oblige my request.
Regards

Let's not lose focus on the main issue - Jesus HAD THE INHERENT ABILITY TO HEAL anyone WITHOUT first teaching.  

1 John 4: 17 is simply telling us that Christians represent Christ here on earth. How? As part of our ambassadorship. 

Christ is the first begotten. And we? 1 John 3: 2&3: "2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

We are and will always be accepted IN BELOVED. We don't stand on our own merits. 

Again to get back; Jesus Christ is UNIQUE - remember the Israelites shama -  'Hear oh Israel' ? It was a pointer to this uniqueness of Jesus. 

His ministry, including his healings, [size=20pt]was unique [/size]therefore for any man to EQUATE himself with Jesus is blasphemous. 

That is why I stated that it was impossible for it (his power to do miracles) to be lessened because of unbelief or lack of faith. When he chose not to do miracles it was an act of his will. Jesus was in a class of his own. 

SirJohn: @mbaemeka,
I have been trying to PM you for a while now. You seem to know about CE ojo and I'd appreciate if you respond to my PM.
there are things I don't want to say on the forum as they may involve some names.
Kindly oblige my request.
Regards

christemmbassey: that will be very unfair and irresponsibl. Pls you can say the truth and nt mention names here. Thanks.

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Egbon! I'm loyal. I dey hail o.
Though I can't still understand why a 6 years old thread was taken to the front page, to serve what purpose? anyway, I could understand it's Chris Oyakhilome season, but T. B. Joshua's?

Seun: donclark: We do bring old threads to the home page from time to time, if they are relevant and if they have never made the home page. We clearly mark them as old threads by appending the year of creation to the home page title e.g. "The Truth About CEC Healing School (2008)". As for the claim that people want to bring him down, whether that's "good" or "bad" depends on whether the charges against him are true or not. We're primarily interested in uncovering the truth about these allegations through a thorough discussion of the facts by Nairalanders.

shdemidemi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFlumZ_Um4


Never cringed this much in my entire life. The gospel of God and the body of Christ brought to the lowest and miry decadence by religious gladiators in Nigeria. The entire church movement in Nigeria seem to draw a semblance with the political system in the country.

This guy describes Gombs and mba emeka as though he lives with them.

mbaemeka:

I have been seeing the notifications each time I Log in. I would respectfully decline your request for two reasons.

1. I am led to.
2. I don't have access to email address that I used to register with this account.

If you notice any "perceived" ills in the church of Christ as a whole I beseech you to write your grievances to the constituted authority even as you supplement it with prayers of intercession as is the custom of a child of God. I for one, do not partake with workers of dissension nor do I entertain them in any form for I do not want to be part of any man's sin and therefore curses.

My humble submission. Hope you understand.

Cheers.

shdemidemi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFlumZ_Um4

Seun: This guy's account of the "Oregun Land Wars" was extremely entertaining. I want more. Where can I get more?

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Egbon! I'm loyal. I dey hail o.
Though I can't still understand why a 6 years old thread was taken to the front page, to serve what purpose? anyway, I could understand it's Chris Oyakhilome season, but T. B. Joshua's?

Seconded! Egbon Seun, eh be like say na Chris Oyakhilome dey drive traffic now oh! But why resurrect a six year old thread?

Kenny4lyfe:

Seconded! Egbon Seun, eh be like say na Chris Oyakhilome dey drive traffic now oh! But why resurrect a six year old thread?

SirJohn:
Its a free world Bro, no hard feelings...
I had so many things to say at some point last week after you tried unsuccessfully to make me a liar. It was very obvious you were carried away and didn't read my write up objectively, instead you resorted to cherry picking and splitting hairs to make your point but it obviously didn't work.
I was glad when you mentioned that you were at CE Ojo when I wrote that post, I had waited for you to make your calls to verify as you said you would. But then I again I'm wondering how come you didn't know me yourself if you really were in CE Ojo at that time
Yes I was the secretary of Haven 1, I was also a lecturer at the foundation school of CE Ojo (A school I passed through as the best graduating student in my time), I was a cell leader in the Haven and part of the first contact (follow up) team
I have had several off forum conversation over the years with some of your brethren here including Joagbaje, I was hoping we'd relate at that level too. We may not agree on everything but it doesn't make us enemies. For the sake of being gentlemanly, I wont say some of the things I and Joagbaje have discussed off this forum on phone and through emails.
The things I wrote were exactly what I saw, fast-forward six years later, I have not seen any reason to retract my words. The leadership of the ministry had the opportunity to explain but they failed to do so; I had a one on one with Pst. Sola Olubode in his office back then, this was after I had written a letter. I showed him hard evidence and told him all I wanted was an explanation, he was so infuriated to the point of banging on his table and even said I was dabbling into things greater than myself.
I'm sure you know Deacon Demo (I understand he's now a pastor) he is one of the few men that lent an ear and even told me things that I wish not to state here for his sake alone. if and when the situation permits, I will name people you are most likely familiar with so you can verify anything I say.
Its not easy being on my side of the tide you know, I have had my FB and email accounts hacked severally and unsolicited emails and CE correspondence sent to me without request. I have also received strange emails from people claiming to have seen my email address on NL, yet those emails were my very private emails that have not been shared on this forum. I have nothing to fear or hide, if I said anything which is not what I saw then let God be judge.
Thank You!

Candour:

Hmmm...

SirJohn, you amaze me every time. How do you keep your cool in the face of the attacks your story generate? How do you stay strong and unwavering in your belief about what you saw? I've read countless literature about how Martin Luther stood alone on the truth against the might of the papacy and every ruling house in Europe who felt threatened by the can of worms he exposed and I can say you've probably faced a little of what he went through. I might have been cowed by the enormity of what you've had to face if I was in your shoes (no joke).

Any one who thinks you cooked this story has the chance to call you out on the 'alleged lies' based on this post but of course non of your traducers dare take the gauntlet; they've failed and avoided it for the past six years. I pray God almighty continue to protect you as he has done since the day your story broke. You're the epitome of a cool, calm and collected guy and i pray God gives you more grace to carry on. I hope we'll have an opportunity to meet physically soonest.

I had decided not to post on this thread because I was angry with DrummaBoy for opening you up to probable ridicule and verbal abuse with this thread which of course came in torrents but while your traducers raved and ranted without substance, you remained sane and calm. Why then should I be angry when the recipient of the attacks remained unfazed? The truth truly liberates, sets free and puts mind at rest. You are a proof of this assertion.

God continue to bless and increase you manifold and keep you safe in the palm of his hands.

christemmbassey: my erudite oga , i dey hail o!

mbaemeka:


Could in English expresses ability. If the scripture says Jesus could do no mighty works, it simply means his ability was limited in that regard and the next verse clearly shows why- the "Unbelief" of the people in Nazareth (his hometown) marvelled him. The scriptures didn't say Jesus didn't do or wouldn't do (which would have meant his willingness) it said he couldn't do. Stop arguing with the scriptures. That's unbelief.

His remedy to the Unbelief was to begin teaching them.


That's the order again- 1) Teaching 2) Preaching 3)Healing.

The changing of water to wine is described as a sign and not a healing miracle and there is a difference. If you study them you would see it. So let us not convolute them again.


I know a lot of you that say some of these things don't really understand Jesus or what he stood for. Jesus functioned on earth as a man even though he was the son of God and therefore God himself. Everything Jesus did he did as a man. He had to grow his faith; learn patience; be subject to temptation; be taught; be baptized etc. If he by-passed all these steps his title as "Son of Man" would have been flawed. Satan would have been right in claiming that God cheated because like Adam, Jesus had to be a "mere" man to face and then defeat satan.



The bible says Jesus did no sin and not that he could not sin. Even though he didn't have a sin nature, he could still sin if he succumbed to the temptation of the devil.


Jesus was made perfect through his challenges. He wasn't made perfect by birth or inheritance. He had to become perfect even though he was in reality God. That's why Paul said he was humble. He let himself grow his faith like a man; get hungry like a man; even die like a man- yet he was God.


If you study the quality of his miracles from when his ministry commenced to when he died- the miracles kept improving. God by the Holy Spirit was increasing the quality of the miracles for him. That's suggestive of a growing faith. Jairus' daughter had just died, the widow of Nain's son had died hours before, Lazarus had died for days, then Jesus raised himself.


So have all these in perspective when you talk about the "man" Jesus.


If he changed his mind about the ministry in May as documented and declared by his post's he cannot at the same point be talking about how dumb people would be to suggest that the people that got healed were paid to act that way and then later claim he made up his mind 6 months later when he visited the HS only once 6 months before. Even at that he didn't take his own advice to investigate any person including the "big names" that got healed there and are still healed ATM.

Feel free to make it add up to yourself. Nobody can fool me with such inconsistencies.


Other people said Jesus was deceiving the people. They also accused him of using demonic powers. Not everyone accepted that Jesus was from God. They accused Paul too of being the same. The scriptures don't lie only humans do.



Prove it from scripture.



I have been quoting the NT and I have more to quote. You haven't answered a single question neither have you posted a single scripture. I am being kind to you because you sometimes attempt to discuss the scriptures. Show us what you believe from scripture. That's a good way to start.

SirJohn: