trustman:

Note what I said: at the time Jesus started his public ministry HE WAS FULLY prepared for it. Recall that at the age of 12 he already matched the religious leaders of the day with his knowledge and understanding of scripture. Luke 2: 42 – 47: “And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom. And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, but supposing him to be in the group they went a day’s journey, but then they began to search for him among their relatives and acquaintances, and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him. After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.” Note what he was able to do at age 12 and imagine what he would have become at the start of his ministry.

The fact that he DID NOT POSSESS the sin nature meant amongst other things that his physical as well as mental and other capacities were untainted in any way.

So I reiterate: Jesus was in a class of his own. Therefore HE DID NOT NEED TO GROW HIS FAITH in order to see that his miracles keep improving.

Note also that before this incident here at Nazareth he had healed various diseases including demon possession. So there is no basis to claim that the quality of his miracle kept IMPROVING or that, like you claim, as a result “That’s suggestive of a growing faith”. That would be your own interpretation of the events.
If by ‘quality’ you mean the degree of excellence, then the issue would be to first rank miracles in order of difficulty and then begin to see if Jesus did the easiest ones earlier in his ministry and then progressively did the harder ones. I see no basis for this in scripture.

Did Jesus’ non-performance of much miracle at Nazareth stem from his response to their lack of faith in him to perform miracles or rejection of him as the Messiah? I think the more obvious answer is the latter

Jesus’ miracles were not formally arranged. It did not take those healed days or weeks to be healed as a result of their needing to increase their faith to be healed. There is no record that anyone he healed came back to say he ‘lost’ his healing for any reason.

mbaemeka:
It still doesn't explain why Pastor Chris has been able to deceive some of the biggest names who testify that they went there and got healed and are still alive today. It still doesn't explain the testimonies of many others who have come in contact with Pastor Chris and got healed. It does not checkmate the testimonies of those who graced your thread in 2008 to proffer alternate views to yours neither does it gainsay the testimony of my friend- the one who heard his case being called out on TV to almost mirror-like accuracy by the Man of God. It does not explain why people still throng the Healing school in South Africa as well as the one in Canada. That's one aspect.

mbaemeka:
I made references to miracles I experienced while in CE Ojo by the Resident Pastor. I even went as far as telling you that the recipient of one of the healings never went out to testify and he is still Asthma free as we speak. How do I explain such a "scam" using your thesis? How do I explain the scam of my interaction with a woman while I worked as an official during the Higher life Conference in PHC 2008 where the lady acted recalcitrant while she was trying to purchase a book for lower than the stipulated price. The same lady refused to sit where she was asked to and I watched her making phone calls virtually all through the happenings on the day but when the Man of God, Pastor Chris began to pray that same lady began to manifest by striking herself repeatedly on the floor and jerking uncontrollably. Then after the programme the lady came to apologize to me (I was the Usher on that Aisle) and if you had looked at her you could tell that something different had happened to her. How do you explain it to me?

mbaemeka:
[b]So the pictures you got from the Healing school website to which you gave your own interpretations to are the hard-evidences you got [/b]or did you take your own cameras to provide us with your own? Did you investigate the people that got healed and you could prove that they were actors? Do you have the proofs so we too can subject them to our own investigations if they exist? If your story is true will you need to falsify instances and prevaricate the one's you didn't even see? For example, you claimed that "all the HIV positive people were sent to a particular Hospital in Randberg where they were sure to get a new Negative result" and you said Kenya28 provided you with such information. Yet her post's at the time clearly show that the Hospital she went to had Nurses (the one's that helped test her) that expressed their hatred for Pastor Chris, so why did you taint it and claim otherwise or are you saying that the nurses averring that they 'hate him' was also part of their act?

SirJohn 1:03pm On Jun 30, 2010 :
Kenyan28 is shouting so loud cos she wants to silence the truth echoing in her mind but what she fails to understand is that no matter how loud she shouts, the truth will still stare at her right in the face.
Go ahead shout all you can, TIME WILL TELL

mbaemeka:
You also said you made up your mind "several months back [before November]" and later, retrospectively said that you did your research in 6 months and then came up with your findings. So when was it: when did you really leave, as the answer to that can explain how you made your research?

mbaemeka:
I mean you no disrespect but you are sounding like an obsessed fan that was jilted by your celebrity crush. If you left CEC in 2008 because of the sham in the Healing school and you have told your story why not give it a rest? Why do you still monitor the ministry's activities even more than those that are still there close to 6 years after (If we assume you left November)? Why does the mention of Pastor Chris or CE cause you sleepless nights? If the ministry is as demonic or fake as you say why not go to the one you feel more ahome in or better still start your own? Why are you still looking for reasons to retract your claims if you are already cork-sure about them?

mbaemeka:
As per your "Hacked accounts and unsolicited CE correspondence" it's mind-boggling to know which untrained CE brethren will do that (If at all the story is true). It is unlike us.

shdemidemi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFlumZ_Um4


Never cringed this much in my entire life. The gospel of God and the body of Christ brought to the lowest and miry decadence by religious gladiators in Nigeria. [size=13pt]The entire church movement in Nigeria seem to draw a semblance with the political system in the country.[/size]

This guy describes Gombs and mba emeka as though he lives with them.

Topgainer: @ Gombs, Mba Emeka you are really determined to preserve this dishonorable business of yours perhaps your cunning has brought you much gain. In all your responses, it is very clear you have been busy evading the questions about the credibility of your organization.
Let me make it clear to you that your present schedule here is beyond your capacity to handle. Nowhere had Sir John denied the occurrence of miracles in life, he had only brought to the fore what many already know that the healing ministry of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome as well as the lifestyle he has impacted into most of his followers left much to be desired when compared to the Biblical truths , the things you guys do at Christ Embassy is so manipulative
But don't over stress your hackers, lawyers, thugs, image sellers simply for fear of losing members. If you study your bible well False Teachers Will Always Have Adherents to preside over, I can guarantee you'll have new members just as the ones who are beginning to see you guys for who you are, are EXITING

SirJohn(m): 9:16am On Jul 11, 2010
But I am of the opinion that we may never be able to see some of the bible time miracles in our day for very obvious reasons:
there is a very large knowledge gap between the old times and now, medical science has greatly improved since then and so has engineering, arts, politics etc. I believe these are all workings of God.

SirJohn:

I posted a video of how W V Grant and Peter Poppoff was exposed by James Randi, these were men who supposedly worked miracles and displayed exceptional gifts of the spirit, yet they were exposed for who they are: scam artists. What is more disturbing is not that they were exposed but the level certain loyalists are ready to put their lives on the line for a belief they have been made to embrace. I suggest you watch that video again, it will explain more of what I mean. Delusion is the word
I challenged a lot of those phoney testimonies here on NL and even took Joagbaje on a challenge when he bragged about a woman he supposedly healed of blindness, it later didn't go down well as Joagbaje accused me of lying after the woman I interviewed on phone told me she was never blind. The whole of that exchange is still here on NL for reference purposes.

Those were not just pictures from the healing school website, they were people I saw and stayed with for two weeks who later ended up in borrowed wheelchairs only when pastor chris ministered to them, a fact you and all of christ embassy have not been able to explain.

When eventually time revealed the truth, I was able to reach her on phone and that was when I asked her to tell me how she tested negative and she told me that she and a couple of other people were directed to a hospital by a healing school staff and they all tested negative there. she never bothered to test somewhere else afterwards. She is still alive today and I can call on her to come reveal more

Kenyan28: 8:29am On Nov 01, 2012

I did my test at Randburg,SA which was -ve. Infact I remember very well the white ladies at the clinic didnt want to hear about pastor Chris or the healing school, they said it was a lie and I should go for a repeat test after 2 months which I never did (ooh how I wish I did).

I have a very big feeling that the kit that was used was faulty or expired. Like someone earlier said, someone can be symptom free even when they still have the virus, I have enough experience now of 11 good yrs.

Kenyan 28:

@sir John, i cant hold tears as I type this on fone.as i do,am inside the healing school south africa.am not a member of Christ Embasy.i traveled all the way from Kenya more than a wk ago.i sat with pple who had life threatening conditions BUT on Sunday they wa healed on graduation day.I say the lame walk,cancer die,HIV was not spared either! initially wen u talked of healin line i thot it was just a line of 20 pple or so only to witnes over 1000 pple get their miracles! I UNDERSTAND your BITTERNES IS COZ U & your FOLK DIDNT MAKE IT TO THE HEALING LINE SIMPLY COZ U HAD NO FAITH.THERE ARE INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED IN THE GROUPS ABOUT FAITH,THATS THE CRETERIA TO THE HEALING LINE.May God reveal Himself to you.Pastor Chris is a true servant of God.I WILL BE BACK WITH A TESTIMONY OF MY HEALING SHORTLY, stay tuned!

Kenyan 28:

Jesus is the same yesterday,today & forever, I forgot 2 say I took herbs for 4 months in 2005 & 2006 that boosted my immune & put on a lot of weight.I sm how thot I was healed yet the test was still POSITIVE, If u dont believe in Pr.Chris' miracles just know that in 2010 alone pple frm 90 countries all ova the world av kam 4 the healing skul.Dont u know for all those thousands of pple 2 kam 2 the healing skul is A MIRACLE BY ITSELF?! brethren am typin on fone but wen I get bak 2 Kenya on 13th,al tell u more and more

Kenyan 28:

Lord have mercy 2 your pple. my test was very very independed,no one told me 2 go 4 my test.NO 1 AT ALL.I didnt do the test at the healing school but in a clinic a VCT centre.the HIV test kits used in Kenya,the same that has 13 times showed 2 lines of HIV POSITIVE showed 1-one line of HIV NEGATIVE, However av neva been on medication rather managed with proper diet and a magnetic AMEGA bracelet with far-infrared on my hand which i bot 4 years.Again i lived in denial & swore neva 2 tek any ARVS coz I knew God wld heal me.My own dad knows my story!I went 2 a dif�rent doctor 2 get my results/medical report written down.Every 1 in Randburg around that clinic knew I was healed coz I CRIED TEARS of joy.for 3 hours I cried tears of joy.The devil LOST the battle when my trip 2 the healing school was succesful.God knows.Glory be 2 GOD for anointing Pr.Chris,am waiting 2 graduate on 11th 2 go bak 2 Kenya.REMEMBER PR.CHRIS HAS NOT TOUCHED ME YET AM HEALED.ITS ABOUT FAITH & APPLYING THE TRUE WORD OF GOD 2 MY BODY

Sometimes I wonder how it is difficult for you to understand something so simple:
I was at the healing school between May 5th 2009 to June 3rd 2009. A period in which though I observed several things, I fought with the thoughts and like you, tried to make excuses for the things I saw. I left in November after my meeting with Pst Sola Olubode, I don't know if I mentioned anywhere that my Sis was a Pastor in the ministry, in fact, She was Pst Sola Olubode's PA and in charge of partnership in the branch. She eventually resigned and left the ministry too several days after I left.

SirJohn(m): 8:53pm On Dec 04, 2008
Believers' Loveworld,
is a place where we share Gods Love
reaching out with peace and love
making plain Gods plan for all
Believers Loveworld building a happier world with love,

For five years until several months back, I would sing this anthem with joy.

Bro, I have moved on, but very much aware of happenings around me not just in CE. I don't know how this thread and the other one made it to FP recently. Believe me, I would have cared less about it but on a second thought decided to comment. I still have loads of CE friends both within and outside Nigeria so its a no-brainer how I know certain things by default.

Tos87: SirJohn(m): 9:16am On Jul 11, 2010
But I am of the opinion that we may
never be able to see some of the bible
time miracles in our day for very obvious
reasons :
there is a very large knowledge gap between
the old times and now, medical science has
greatly improved since then and so has
engineering, arts, politics etc. I believe
these are all workings of God.
@Mbaemeka...there is nothing wrong there. gosshhhh!!!...honestly you av got no iota of point anymore. Why don't you forget that this thread ever surfaced.

mbaemeka:
If you can't answer the concomitant question just log off. You are in the click of those who judge someone by just seeing them on TV and you are talking to me about an "Iota of a point". The people that go to the HS don't you think they tried all medical technologies available to them first before seeking other options because of its failure?

mbaemeka:

William James Sidis could talk at 2 months and before he was 7 had taught himself 2 Languages. 9 he attained the best entrance score for Harvard but was turned down because of His age. Got a position in Rice University as a visiting professor aged 11 and was confounding Mathematics Professors in Harvard with 4th dimensional concepts same age and time. Hope you catch my drift- even he was an ordinary man like you.

Jesus could do no single miracle till he received the Holy Spirit at age 30. Until then any attributes of divinity like his prodigious wisdom at age 12 were purely coincidental.



The only reason for his not possessing the sin nature according to scripture was because he was going to be the sin-sacrifice and the sin-sacrifice capable of saving the world had to have sinless blood. That's why he was conceived by the Holy Spirit.



Jesus functioned 100 percent as a man. He did so to show that what he could do,



Thrash! Before the case of the demoniac in Chapter 5 that you made reference to look at


Answer one question for once. Between raising Lazarus from the dead or resurrecting himself which was

Do you people study at all?


What rubbish is this? Look at Mark's account


Stop making disingenuous claims.


Don't speak when you don't know or have not properly researched

You say there is no record of anyone that Jesus healed losing their healing? Well there is no record that they all remained healed or didn't

diluminati:

Pastor joeagbaje or whosever you are, you can write millions of essays defending your church but THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE!

PastorKun:

Because the truths exposed in the thread are still very relevant six years down the line.

You mean the truth that you and your cohorts were instrumental to that Kenya lady's lost of her healing; changing her situation from bad to worse due to your self-styled godly zeal that seems to deny the power in the Gospel of Christ?
Spare me your boring sermon jare!
By the way, I read your response to joagbaje's video on Bro. Jeff's healing. That testimony must have gotten you really pissed and you wished it was a nollywood movie! E pele O!

Kenny4lyfe:

You mean the truth that you and your cohorts were instrumental to that Kenya lady's lost of her healing; changing her situation from bad to worse due to your self-styled godly zeal that seems to deny the power in the Gospel of Christ?
Spare me your boring sermon jare!
By the way, I read your response to joagbaje's video on Bro. Jeff's healing. That testimony must have gotten you really pissed and you wished it was a nollywood movie! E pele O!

mbaemeka:
Delusion works either ways. I am either deluded or you are. I read your exchange with Joagbaje and I trust his account more as you have changed your stories on so many occasions. The lady in question didn't expect your call at first and then she denied everything to you including ever having any eye- defect. When Joagbaje told her who you were she told you she was healed of blindness but you came on NL and claimed she said it was only an eye-defect with her having "peppery" sensations. Joagbaje came back to say she vehemently called you a liar for claiming that. Much later, when Joagbaje offered you more phone numbers to verify other cases you said you were no longer interested in numbers again.

mbaemeka:
Tell the world where you got the pictures from. I am itching to hear it.

mbaemeka:
There are spare wheelchairs and stretchers in the HS many of which were left behind by people who got healed in previous sessions and decided to donate it

mbaemeka:
It is a known fact that some conditions get worse even while at the HS and as such some people were placed on those wheelchairs and stretchers to aid them before they could meet the MOG. Some other conditions had people who couldn't really walk well but the lines would have looked disorganized if someone was there to help them stand or back them. Putting them on the wheelchairs only makes it more "Packaged" or organized. Many CE members told you this but did you listen to them? No.

mbaemeka:
Concerning Kenya28

mbaemeka:
I am sure you meant 2008. Now you say you left in November of 2008. Fine. Please explain this:

nnenneigbo:

http://saharareporters.com/2014/09/15/divorce-scandal-pastor-chris-oyakhilome-warns-members-against-speaking-ill-“man-god”

The founder of the Believers Loveworld Ministries, also known as Christ Embassy, Chris Oyakhilome, on Sunday, enjoined his congregation to refrain from speaking against a man of God. The church also suspended Michelle Okojie, a pastor in Lagos, for her “subversive activities.” The reason for Ms. Okojie’s suspension was not given.

At the church’s Sunday service, Mr. Oyakhilome described a man of God – as different from a preacher – as one who had been given a revelation from heaven. “To speak against the man of God is to bring a curse on yourself and your children. When you hear people speaking against a man of God, move away from there.

“Men of God don’t just talk. When they speak, God is forced to move.” Sunday’s service was Mr. Oyakhilome’s first appearance to the Lagos branch since the news of his divorce broke last month, and he meticulously stayed away from discussing the saga.

“This is the first service of this nature and I don’t know what you are expecting, but you will be blessed.

“It’s gonna be a short service but will be loaded,” Mr. Oyakhilome said.

Though he was not physically present at the church’s headquarters in Lagos, he conducted the service via a telecast from the branch in Pretoria, South Africa.

At the beginning of the service, the first moment the two large screens at the altar panned from choir to Mr. Oyakhilome, loud cheers erupted inside the capacity filled church in Lagos. Ushers in dark suits and red ties motioned worshippers to their seats as the congregation sang along with a choir showing on the large screens.

Outside, armed police officers and church security officials ensured that everyone coming into the church’s premises was screened by a metal detector. A sign at the entrance warned worshippers that cameras are not allowed into the church. Two Automated Teller Machines belonging to Parallex Micro Finance bank stood at a corner.

The service began with the launching of the Loveworld News App, a software application platform where the church will be showing its activities from around the world. Mr. Oyakhilome, in a milk-coloured three-piece suit, sat in a panel comprising of three other pastors who took turns to share their experiences on the benefits of the App to church members.

“It makes you aware of the things that are going on in the ministry. It also inspires teenagers and gives them direction in life,” one of the pastors said. “CNN and Fox news are reporting about the war in Ukraine, and then (I got) a breaking news (from the App) that our brethren over there are distributing Rhapsody of Realities. So it is not all gloomy. It was awesome,” another pastor said.

At the end of the pastors’ presentation, Mr. Oyakhilome began his sermon.

Speaking on the topic of the day’s preaching, ‘Children of the Word,’ he cited a plethora of Bible verses to encourage his congregation not to stray from God.

“Sometimes when you are going through challenges in your life, you many not know what steps to take. He says you should take these scriptures as a light shining in the darkness.”

He also used several other Bible passages to explain the difference between a man of God and a preacher as well as spiritually-minded people and carnal-minded people.

“A carnal minded person will say ‘How many times do we give offering? One, two, three, four times. Spirit people don’t think like that. A carnal minded person will come into the church and say ‘This place is hot,’ ‘The A/C is not working,’ ‘The fan is not working.’ A spiritually-minded person will instead say ‘How can I contribute to change this place?’

“Say I refuse to be a carnal person.”

The congregation chorused after him.

Mr. Oyakhilome is also renowned for his healing powers. So just before he rounded up his preaching, he announced a couple of miracle-receivers.

“A young man named Appiah, you are deaf in your right ear. You are healed.” Another lady, named Maggie, suffering from migraine, was told that she had been set free; another unnamed “adult” having an infection creeping towards his spinal cord was also told to receive his healing.

“There is someone who is not far away from me. You’ve had three seizures in the last six weeks. You are healed.
“As you are sitting down, miracles are happening,” he reminded them.”


A pastor is suspended
After a list of offerings that included monies for Bible sponsorship, Children/Teens Ministry, Healing School, Reachout Nigeria, partnership with the church, amongst others; it was announced that Michelle Okojie, one of the Lagos pastors, had been suspended from the church.

“It has come to our attention that Pastor Michelle Okojie has been visiting church members in private and slandering the ministry, engaging in subversive activities that are against the scriptures,” read the statement issued by Ray Okocha, the church’s Secretary General.

Citing Bible passages from Romans 16:17-20 and Titus 3:10 wherein Christians were told to “watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles,” the church warned every member of the congregation to stay away from Ms. Okojie.

“The church is not a social club where you can walk in and walk out at will and live disorderly.

“Pastor Michelle is hereby suspended from the fellowship.

“Avoid her. Do not fellowship with her. Do not try to counsel her or receive counsel from her. All you can do is direct her to her pastor.

“Do not be a partaker of another man’s sin.”

Efforts to ascertain from the church members the real reasons for Ms. Okojie’s suspension were unsuccessful as all the church members approached for comments declined to speak.

But one who spoke over the telephone said that the pastor was suspended for blasphemy.

“She has been suspended for blaspheming against the ministry. But we don’t know exactly why,” said the church member who did not want her name mentioned for faith reasons.


Chris Oyakhilome and his ex-wife Anita
“My zonal pastor just told us we should not have communication with her,” the lady added.

PastorKun:

So we are now responsible for Kenyan28's loss of purported 'healing' [s]your god must be really weak for mere mortals like us to reverse his so called healing. You guys keep descending to new lows every day[/s] I am to be blamed including my crew [s]miserable pastor who is a confirmed fraudster and charlatan[/s]. I sincerely pray that God would open MY eyes and release Me and My Crew from Satan's bondage before it's too late.

I say a loud "Ammmmiiinnn oh!" To that prayer!
Fixed

Kenny4lyfe:

I say a loud "Ammmmiiinnn oh!" To that prayer!
Fixed

mbaemeka:

I just wanted to clarify on WinsomeX and nnenneigbo.

@WinsomeX there was a just concluded Healing School session in Canada. Thousands again went there to be deceived many of which must have heard about SirJohn's thread in 2008. I wonder why they are still going there. And of course, there were many staged-miracles and lying wonders all free of charge. Praise the Lord.

WinsomeX: Is there any Christ Embassy member on this thread who quite naturally doubts SirJohn, who plans to attend the two weeks healing school with a sick person to ascertain whether SirJohn is lying or not?

This is not a challenge. Its simply a suggestion or possibly a request.

While it's easy to claim that embarking on such a mission is not congruent with "faith"; it might be your own opportunity to prove SirJohn a liar.

mbaemeka:

I checked the link you and nnenneigbo provided for the write-up but it didn't work. Maybe you and her can provide a better one. Alternately, you can read the handle 'Feedthenation's post as it was more comprehensive. (I attended that service so I know). When you are done reading it please tell the forum where you and nnenneigbo got the concluding paragraph. The

"Chris Oyakhilome and his ex-wife Anita" my zonal Pastor...bla bla bla.

Do you see how you have reposted a lie because you want to believe what you want to believe? Nnenneigbo can help you out as she seems to be the source of that aspect and don't tell me it is trivial because I am trying to show you how easy it is to believe anything no matter how even non-commonsensical it is. For example, believing that someone would use millions of dollars to organise a show where he and a few people stage-manage miracles when they don't get anything in return for doing so.

PastorKun:

You seriously need help.

Thanks but no thanks!

SirJohn:

Again you evade talking about your take on the video posted
Well Bro, you have already taken a side on a matter so what difference does it make. I called the lady and her brother and they never admitted that she was blind period. I'm sure joagbaje still has her contact, you can do a follow up yourself . He told me he had proof of a boy healed of a hole in the heart, when I demanded he provide the x-rays showing the before and after, he started brandishing numbers of other people. tell me why would I call anyone again when I have been accused of lying with the first one I called?

You are one very funny guy, you enjoy making things look complicated. Every picture I have posted from the HS have been from either the HS site or the HS magazine. I have not denied that and it doesn't make any difference where the pictures are from. in my last post I said "Those were not just pictures from the healing school website" I gave links to pictures in the HS website in my original post but the links no longer work so I had to post some of the pictures directly. I wonder how little things like this are difficult for you to understand. Those were folks from the 2008 HS session, if you think they're not then let me know Bro

Oh come on!, I was hoping you wouldn't say this, it was the same crap Pst Deola Okeowo said at the beginning of the HS session. But like I mentioned in my original post, there was no such thing. Some of the wheelchairs used in the HS where borrowed from other students. In 2008 for example, out of over 100 wheelchair cases in that session, only five made it to the healing line, out of that five, three were given wheelchairs taken from other students, only two came with their wheelchairs and they where not crippled but had conditions that required them to stay less on their feet so as not to put more pressure on their limbs; one of such conditions is arthritis. Even after they were prayed for and asked to stand out of the wheelchair to the amazement of the unsuspecting audience who obviously thought these folks couldn't walk, they quietly sat back in their wheelchairs as before after the audience had left.

Again my friend, this is what you were made to believe, all these folks were well able to stand and walk up till when they were prayed for. Those who are unable to stand and walk never I repeat NEVER make it to the healing line. Pst Chris ministers to only people he knows will get up when he says so because the healing line has been carefully selected. I explained the process in my initial write up

Yes concerning Kenyan28, I'd rather not talk about her again as her matter has resorted to "your word against mine" "She said he said".
The truth is, a lot of what she posted initially were modified facts just to give credence to her healing story. God opened her eyes and she came out clean with me. You dont have to feel for her, she and her daughter is doing very fine now and her daughter I understand is now free of the virus.
Its very possible that her husband is HIV free as it is not automatic to contract the virus even if you have intimate intercourse with an infected person. percentage can sometimes be less than 1 in 1000 chance.

You're trying too hard to evade several strong issues raised on the post and endlessly clinging to trivial issues. Oh I get it, you're trying unsuccessfully to put a hole in a small part of my story so you can discredit the entire account.
Sorry Bro, it aint working

trustman:

I have in the past pointed out your attitude which to say the least is VERY NEGATIVE. You actually attach your faults on others and blame them for it. You THINK you ALWAYS have a superior argument. This is expressed by your OBSESSION to fire back at every comment against your position. You will do so with this my post. 

Have you ever heard of the Hypostatic union? Simply put it the teaching that Jesus Christ was BOTH undiminished deity and true humanity IN ONE person for ever. While he was on earth he was what I just described above. Now is there ANY other human being that can be described in the same way? Maybe you guys know. I would say NO ONE.

When you therefore belittle the UNIQUENESS of Jesus Christ one wonders which Christ you believe. When the angel announced in Luke 2: 11-:For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord." was that baby in a manger the savior and Christ the Lord or just like any other human being? What sustained his humanity from there till and then through his public ministry? His human will-power? According to you it had to be because you NOT ONLY compared him with a prodigy you claim "Jesus could do no single miracle till he received the Holy Spirit at age 30. Until then any attributes of divinity like his prodigious wisdom at age 12 were purely coincidental." COINCIDENCE? So to you the workings of God in Jesus were just a matter of CHANCE.

I want to ASSUME you agree he had[b]NO SIN NATURE[/b]. If for that FACT alone he still in your estimation DOES NOT qualify to be in a class of his own then I wonder what you guys are thinking. Except like I said you just want to 'puncture' every 'opponent' points whether good or bad.

So you sincerely think that as at the time he started his ministry he still had TO GROW HIS FAITH [/b]that is why his miracles KEPT IMPROVING? In spite of what he proved himself to be at 12 years?

Did Jesus [b]SOLICIT for people to be brought to him in order for him to perform miracles? The answer is No. That is what is meant by the fact that Jesus' miracles WERE NOT formally arranged. That people brought the sick to him in droves or individually DOES NOT remove from the fact that he DID NOT set up a healing school OR even set apart specific times in his day or week solely for miracle working. They just come in the ordinary course of his business.

So check this out again:
Jesus’ miracles were not formally arranged. It did not take those healed days or weeks to be healed as a result of their needing to increase their faith to be healed. There is no record that anyone he healed came back to say he ‘lost’ his healing for any reason.

If we come to an account as this:
14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
The question should be 'What is SOMETHING GREATER that can happen to this man? Greater sickness or what?

Still on this issue of 'greater', when Jesus said greater works what did he mean? Are we to look at 'works' from the perspective of miracles alone? Can any single man since Christ claim that he alone has done greater works than Christ did? So how is that verse to be understood?

So,
What percentage of those who come to the healing school eventually get healed?
How much do the procedure for healing there line up with what we have in the New Testament?

trustman:
Stick to the issues man.
Resorting to distractions is not what this apt thread needs right now.