mbaemeka

In typical Trustman style you keep recycling the same issues and giving your own interpretations of my statements then giving your purported "correct" interpretations regardless of how ridden with contradictions they are. For instance, I have maintained all through that Jesus (the man) was unique in that he had a SINLESS SPIRIT and SINLESS BLOOD but his FLESH was a sinful one and therefore subject to the temptations of sin.

I also told you repeatedly that the miracles he wrought were not as a result of his blood or spirit but they were as a result of the HOLY SPIRIT that was within him (his sinful/ mortal flesh). For this very fact any man that is born into this world with a mortal flesh like Jesus will be able to do the same miracles he did if he has the HOLY SPIRIT within like Jesus did. It doesn't matter how much you say SINFUL NATURE in relation to mankind or in contrast with Jesus. SINFUL NATURE refers to the SPIRIT of the unregenerate man and not his FLESH. When a man becomes Born again he receives a NEW NATURE that is now SINLESS like Jesus' and he receives the HOLY SPIRIT that enables the miracles to happen so men have as much claim to the miraculous and Jesus said so belaboredly.

That Jesus forgave sin isn't anything to behold his Deity from. I told you he made claims to his deity without FUNCTIONING as deity. Jesus said he forgave sins to show that the SON OF MAN could forgive sins and not that GOD could forgive sins (which everyone knows including Pharisees). Jesus also gave us the right to forgive any man's sins just like he did. It is not a big deal. Stop cherry-picking words in a style that doesn't show scriptural maturity. When Jesus died and resurrected he became the one to REMOVE sins and not just forgive sins which any christian can do. This clearly shows the world of class between the man and the GOD.

Jesus didn't say before Abraham I was. He said before Abraham "I AM". If the Jews understood him to mean he was saying he pre-existed Abraham they would have laughed him off as a mad man seeing that they knew he was just 33. But for him to say I AM he was making a claim to his deity as the WORD of God that was in the bosom of the father when he appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Again this is Jesus making a claim to his deity and NOT FUNCTIONING as one.

Again in John 1:10 like all the verses above it was John explaining Jesus' CLAIM to deity and not his FUNCTIONS because he never once functioned as GOD while on earth. He only made claims and I have said that so many times it is baffling that you continue to pretend that it is flying over you. Besides, John was describing the WORD in the beginning of his book because he was trying to set the precedence before stating that that WORD was what was made FLESH and dwelled amongst us. Again proving me right that JESUS was flesh and functioned as one because Jesus is the WORD that became FLESH and John wrote this AFTER Jesus had died and resurrected.

Colossians 2 or any of Paul's writings would not help your case so there's no need mentioning them. The books are very clear. Jesus is the first born from the dead; who died on the cross and brought us into oneness with God. If Jesus was functioning as God while on earth he would not have died or be referred to as the first born from the dead. If Jesus was functioning as God he would not be described as the first creation for GOD cannot be created. The word which was in God was released on earth to become a man named Jesus. That man died on the cross and was raised. He became the first born from the dead as a result and was elevated to a status that the WORD had at the beginning of the creation- God. His name was exalted too as a result and he was given ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND EVEN UNDERNEATH THE EARTH and Jesus told his disciples when this happened- after the resurrection.

Whether you called Jesus the God-man or whether that is in contention isn't the essence of this discourse. I have maintained and continue to do so from scripture that albeit Jesus was God and made claims to that effect. He never functioned as God while on earth (before his death). He functioned ONLY as a man. He wasn't holding any universe while on earth- he was a mere man that needed to pray always like he recommended mere men did. He wept, he sweated, he panicked even before his death. All these easily show manly attitudes in him and not his deity.

Jesus was as different as Adam and only just because both men had sinless spirits and blood at conception even though their flesh was subject to sin. While Adam failed by subjecting himself to sin, Jesus won by not doing so. Jesus had to be as much man as Adam was given that he was going to represent the same men that Adam initially represented. After Jesus resurrected he gave the new men (formed after him) the right to act in his authority and receive the same Spirit he received without measure just like him. In fact, it would be outright stupidity to reject the instructions he gave us "to go in his authority" saying that he was unique and only him could function that way. When he himself has already told you he is sending you the same way his father sent him.

A born again man doesn't have A SIN NATURE. For what makes a man's nature is the SPIRIT that he has and the born again man has been created in RIGHTEOUSNESS. But Just like Jesus we have a mortal flesh that can sin and Paul told us to bring it under subjection.

As per progressively doing miracles you don't need to see it given that you may have not studied the scriptures well. I have put the verses showing Jesus saying exactly that- that the Holy spirit will show him GREATER miracles than the one's the Jews had already seen at the point, so that they would marvel. If you have a better interpretation of the verse please show us here.

Again Mark 6:5 says Jesus COULD NOT do mighty (GREATER works/miracles) in Nazareth because of his people's LACK OF FAITH so he went about teaching them (again showing teaching is not the works). The bible never said Jesus DID NOT or that he CHOSE NOT to. The bible said HE COULD NOT and in English language the word COULD signifies an ability to do something and not a willingness. Jesus cannot save or heal anyone that doesn't believe in him to do so.

I am not ADDING to anything in showing you the commission he gave to us. For whatever he said in Matthew 28 was the same thing Mark 16 was referring to. The gospel of Jesus is that he has saved mankind from SIN and the consequences of it. Sickness is one of the consequences of sin and healing schools help people receive the healing that Jesus salvation wrought for them. That's why Jesus told his disciples to wait in Jerusalem first before going about to preach the gospel. He knew the gospel required more than words- it also required the demonstration of the power. In Acts 1:8 Jesus said when they received the Holy Spirit they will now receive the POWER to be effective witnesses for him around the world. Paul who came into the scene much later taught the same things: that he didn't only preach with words he also demonstrated the power in the gospel. And even today (just like the early church) we are to preach the gospel with the same power and even more. That is what Healing Schools are meant for.

Jesus healed formally on occasions. People gathered at his door and then he healed all of them. He also instructed his disciples to go out and heal people. Not all the people Jesus healed got healed instantly. Some by gratitude received a wholeness while others just had the symptoms stop. Besides, healing schools don't have gradual healings. They teach faith messages first because that's what causes the miracles to work. While teaching faith some people act on the word and get healed while others may require a touch from the healing minister. Many times when the healing minister touches those still left they receive instant healings and continue to live so even till 30years later.

Healing schools are not church services or crusades where salvation is majorly preached even though salvation messages are preached in healing schools. Healing schools are even held in periods at the leading of the spirit of God and are less frequent than normal church services. As for messages of the gospel they are taught regularly in church services to those who have already received it and are on course to grow. So those who didn't get sent by God should mind their businesses and leave those who actually were sent to do what God asked them to do.

trustman:



It has been said that repetition makes for better understanding. So bear with me. Maybe repetitions will make my points clearer to you .

When you said about Jesus that
“his flesh was a sinful one” you just directly claim that he was not qualified to be our sin-bearer. This is absolutely INCORRECT. The reason why he was born without the involvement of any male in the first place was to ENSURE that his flesh will have no sin. Adam’s sin, which is the basis of our sin nature or ‘flesh’ as some portions of scripture put it, had no place in the humanity of Jesus. He was born PERFECT just as Adam was created perfect and without sin. As a physical human being he would experience all that ‘flesh’ would experience and the things that will normally affect ‘flesh’. He was also subject to temptation. Quickly note here that even creatures without ‘flesh’ (angels) were also subject to temptation. If his flesh was a sinful one he could not be said to be the lamb without blemish. Recall that in the OT the animals for sacrifices had to be without any defect.

When a man is born again the divine ‘surgery’ takes place in his inside, not the flesh. If our new nature, like you said, is now sinless then there would be no need for the several instructions in the NT to stay away from sin, to confess sin, to put off the ‘old man’ and several others. Apostle Paul documents this in the book of Romans and elsewhere. Putting all that here will extend this presentation.

On forgiveness of sin. Who did mankind offend? God. Who should man seek forgiveness from? God. Who then should forgive man? God. When therefore you have a Man claiming to forgive sin what can anyone make of that? The Pharisees clearly understood this when they made some of the statements they made about him blaspheming and the like. They knew what the man Jesus was DOING. So to them the issue was ‘how can a mere man forgive sin?’ Maybe I should ask you the same question: ‘how can a mere man forgive another of the sin he committed against God?’

The Jews were too serious about their spiritual issues to laugh at things that come against what they believed. When Jesus said ‘I Am’ they knew he was saying that he is Yahweh. That is why you see their reaction of trying to stone him. Now did Yahweh pre-exist Abraham; even greater than Abraham?

Ask yourself one question: ‘Why did John record Jesus’ miracles – to show that other men (Christians now?) can do the same, or to establish his (Jesus’) deity?’ what do we find in John 20: 30 – 31.

What I’m getting at with you is that when the WORD became FLESH he DID NOT cease to exist as the second person of the Godhead. He did not also exist as a separate entity from the humanity of Jesus. The two did not come together AFTER the resurrection. The two coexisted in the humanity of Jesus Christ. John 8: 23 – “He said to them, ‘You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world” The man standing in front of them was telling them 'I am from above'!

If you claim to have the Holy Spirit without measure like Jesus did, congratulation!
Maybe you need to look at the issue of hamartiology

Then you make 1 John 1: 8, 10 a LIE. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” “If we say have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us” Or maybe it’s the other way round.
Were the Corinthians born again? Did they exhibit carnality?

Mark 6: 5 clearly tells us that Jesus marveled because of their unbelief. Now unbelief how? Again like I repeatedly said, context is important. Looking at earlier discourse in that portion it is clear that it was about his person that the issue is, not about their ‘faith’ for miracles.

I hope you what the meaning of ‘formal’ is. If you do then you will know that all you wrote here is chaff.

[s]Like i said previously:
There is a difference between him and us because we continue to have the sin nature which he never did.
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I still do not see anything in scripture that talks about doing miracles progressively. Maybe the WoF advocates use this to justify their inability to do certain things at any point in their ministry. Maybe you should show me clearly.

Again because Jesus did not heal all DOES NOT mean he did not have the ABILITY to heal all. The two are different.

[s]You are ADDING to what Jesus stated in Matthew 28:18-20 when you include healing schools in it. Please show me where that is included in that passage.[/s]

[s]Jesus' miracles were not formally arranged. It did not take those healed days or weeks to be healed as a result of their needing to increase their faith to be healed. Healing schools are the OPPOSITE of this. To that extent they run in direct contrast to how Jesus FUNCTIONED. Because the soul is more important than the body the overemphasis on healing schools turns the priority upside down as it focuses more on the physical than on the soul[/s].

ha ha ha ha. Go and ask a medical doctor: a baby receives his body (flesh) from his mother but receives his blood from his father. That was why Jesus got conceived by his father- God. He had the sinful flesh but he had sinless blood. The phrase "lamb without blemish" refers to the BLOOD of the lamb and not the flesh for if it were about the flesh then Jesus' badly blemished flesh wouldn't have been good enough.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He was tempted like any other man yet he did not sin. If he was unable to sin then the test would have been a fake one- it wasn't. Please study!

In typical Trustman style you keep recycling the same issues and giving your own interpretations of my statements then giving your purported "correct" interpretations regardless of how ridden with contradictions they are. For instance, I have maintained all through that Jesus (the man) was unique in that he had a SINLESS SPIRIT and SINLESS BLOOD but his FLESH was a sinful one and therefore subject to the temptations of sin.

Thrash. The nature (Spirit) of the born-again man is RIGHTEOUS. What we are told to subject is our flesh and mind as they are not born-again.

1 Corinthians 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Romans 12:2King James Version (KJV)
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



He wasn't talking to ghost's here was he? He was saying this to men. The Pharisees had a religious mentality- they even objected healing on the sabbath.

John 20:23New King James Version (NKJV)
23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Jesus did not say before Abraham I was- that would have meant Pre-existence. He said before Abraham "I AM". He was referring to the WORD when he was in the bosom of the father. The word is GOD, Jesus on earth didn't function as him. He FUNCTIONED as a Man even though he was God.

John recorded somethings to show that Jesus is the Christos- the anointed one; the anointed one of God; the sent one; the messiah. He didn't say to show he was God. Besides, Jesus commissioned those who believe to do greater works and function the same way God sent him. Hear Nicodemus: "for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him"

John 20:21New King James Version (NKJV)
21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”

John 14:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Jesus never FUNCTIONED as God even though he was legally. I am from above too; I am not of this world. Anyone who is born-again is born from above.

John17:14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
John17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
John17:20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word;

Barnabas, Paul, Peter, Phillip etc. were full of the Spirit. Paul told us in Ephesians about being full and filled of the Spirit.

ha ha ha ha! Who is John writing to? John was writing to babes- carnal/ sin-conscious Christians. Not Young men or Fathers. The fathers are those that are righteousness-conscious.
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin.

Carnality means being fleshly-ruled, body-ruled; sense-ruled. There are a lot of carnal christians even on this thread. A carnal man let's his flesh dominate him while a spiritual man let's his spirit rule because the Spirit has been recreated in RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUE HOLINESS. The spiritual man is guided by the word and the spirit but the carnal man tries to rationalize God's word to a "believable level".

Thrash! If you disbelieve the person you disbelieve the authority that he functions in. Jesus said "those who receive a Prophet would receive the reward of a Prophet". That is why those who didn't see him as a Prophet (E.g Nazareth) didn't have faith to receive mighty miracles from him.

Mark 6:5-6New International Version (NIV)
5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

1. officially sanctioned or recognized."a formal complaint" synonyms: official, legal, authorized, approved, validated, certified, endorsed, documented, sanctioned, licensed, recognized, authoritative, accepted, verified, legitimate, lawful, valid, bona fide, proper, prescribed, pro-forma

Matthew 10:8King James Version (KJV)
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

If he gave these instructions in the Past he can still give this instructions in the present and he did!

I asked you before- Jesus raising "himself" from the dead and raising Lazarus which is a greater miracle and which happened before which? Are they on the same level? The ability of Jesus to heal anyone is embedded in the person's ability to believe Jesus. Jesus COULD NOT heal mighty ailments in Nazareth because the people DID NOT have faith in him. Period.

mbaemeka:

1. I DO
2. I DO

mbaemeka:

Like said earlier- I don't reason out the word of God. I let the Holy Spirit teach me through the word and I take him for exactly what he is and not a watered-down version.



Simple comprehension should be applied here.



I don't know what Christianity has to do with the discourse. Anybody can say Lord Lord doesn't mean they are saved. The will of the father is that men should believe the one he sent- Jesus. That's what Jesus meant.



The man perished as an apostate and Jesus would not say to Judas "I never knew you". That's simple enough. Judas couldn't repent because he tasted of that power from on high and later dis-reputed it.



No Christian will perish. Let alone a miracle-performing one.



You don't know who a christian is. A christian is the opposite of a sinner so let that marinate first. You have totally missed the mark with your Ezekiel reference and now is not the time or the thread to school you on that. The thief on the cross got the same promissory note that other disciples had before Jesus death and resurrection. Jesus would know him in Heaven even if he had worked iniquity all through his life because Jesus knew him when it mattered to the thief.

mbaemeka: Vooks,




John 6:40New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
40 This is indeed the will of my Father, that all who see the Son and believe in him may have eternal life; and I will raise them up on the last day.”

Do you understand Jesus now? Anyone saying Lord Lord doesn't matter to him except they are Christians. That's what he was saying. Also anyone merely "SAYING" "I did this in your name and I did that in your name" is only just saying it. They are not Christians- they are sinners (those who work iniquity by nature)

Judas was a sinner like every other man that pre-existed Jesus' death was. Even those who don't believe in Jesus regardless of how well behaved they are- they are ALL sinners. But before Jesus died his name was not yet salvific coupled with the fact that it had limitations in its use- it was restricted to Israel. So Judas and co worked miracles in the name (in the stead of the owner and with the authority he possessed) even though they were still sinners then. When Jesus died and resurrected the name had all the authority in heaven and in earth and became the name that saves people. The name belongs now to Christians.

So again like I said in the previous post- Judas was not unknown by Jesus, Judas was known but he died without receiving Christ's salvation that's why he went to hell and nothing more.

mbaemeka:

ha ha ha ha. Go and ask a medical doctor: a baby receives his body (flesh) from his mother but receives his blood from his father. That was why Jesus got conceived by his father- God. He had the sinful flesh but he had sinless blood. The phrase "lamb without blemish" refers to the BLOOD of the lamb and not the flesh for if it were about the flesh then Jesus' badly blemished flesh wouldn't have been good enough.

Trustman

vooks: You are probably drunk with Calvinism and you are arguing in circles;
-All that perish were never Christians
-Christians will never perish
probably your own version of once-saved-always-saved

There are many prophets and miracle workers who will cling to works all the way to hell and I pray that with your greater-than-Jesus-miracles you won't be among them. That's all Jesus said, not that there would be many who would try cheat their way out of hell. You must have a very dim view of God if you think men can stand before the judgement seat and concoct clear lies

What was the point of Jesus telling his disciples about men lying in heaven? That liars have no place in heaven or lying won't save you?
He was relaying the shock factor of people like you who think performing miracles is an external manifestation of eternal security. They did more than say Lord Lord, they even performed miracles in his name

vooks: mbaemeka,
Nobody would 'merely SAY' to God on judgement day before His throne they did ABCD if they didn't. That is the point. And if they did,the natural response would be to rebut the lie. Jesus never disputed their claims because they were true....it is because you can't imagine yourself or fellow 'greater-than-Jesus'-miracles' worker going to hell that you are determined to defy logic and common sense not to mention the natural reading of this verse; some miracle workers WILL perish.

You are trying to argue that NOBODY would perform miracles and be branded worker of iniquity. Spiritual gifts don't cease immediately a man falls into sin or even after the man persists in sin. So if you think exercising your gifting is a mark of purity, think again

On Judas, you are engaging in unnecessary theological gymnastics. You are essentially GUESSING that Judas died BEFORE Christ (like it matters) and you are lamely attempting to LIMIT the MANY that would cite their works (lies according to you) to post resurrection. The twelve and the 72 actively operated in the name of Jesus well BEFORE he died.........


And come to think of it, how would the name of a mere man like any other( God in him dormant) drive out demons?

vooks: mbaemeka,
So in short you are saying that ;
1. Jesus' physical nature was different from you and me seeing his blood was DIFFERENT from yours?
2. he had sins 'in his flesh' but not in 'his blood'?
3. And Christ's divinity was his blood?

mbaemeka:

That exchange was not in heaven. Please study well. Secondly, who is a christian and who is a sinner?. Can you show me where Jesus said those who told him they did miracles IN HIS NAME actually did it?

Let me see you answer this from scripture then if God wills it I would teach you who a christian is.

mbaemeka:

Let me quote scriptures again to help your understanding. 1 Peter 1:19 says Jesus blood was precious and spotless like a spotless Lamb will be.

His blood was what needed to be taken into the Holy of Holies like high priests in the OT did when they went ro make atonement for the sin of the nation within a year.

Jesus had a flesh subject to sin Romans 8:3 but Jesus didn't sin unlike Adam who sinned. When Adam sinned his Spirit was tainted and the same would have happened to Jesus if he too did but he didn't.

When scripture says we sinned in Adam it is referring to our Spirits for we were born with a sinful nature (sinful spirit). The flesh is always corrupt and will always be till the final redemption of the body where we will put on incorruption. Jesus had a corruptible flesh which enabled him to die and then he resurrected to an incorruptible one.

See how simple I have made it. Now let me see you do so too. Who is a christian?

vooks: You are regurgitating (plagiarizing) Ernst Angley mysticism and passing them as Spirit teaching you
I know what Peter is saying, my question is whether the blood was ANY divine more than Jesus flesh
If ONLY the blood was needed, was Christ's death necessary seeing it is very possible to spill and sprinkle blood without DEATH?
Read this and focus on the word FLESH

1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Was Jesus really human if he had no human blood?
On who is a Christian, that is a nickname for the disciples. You can derail this thread by taking me through TULIP but am not interested. Let's focus on your mysticism of Jesus blood being non-human seeing you have no proof of the workers of iniquities lying. My maxim on doctrine is simple; don't cling to what you can't defend regardless of which mortal is propagating it

vooks: I gladly throw the challenge back at you...Show me where it is written they didn't

I have given you reasons to believe they did what they said
1. Nobody rebutted their claims
2. the idea of mortals standing before the throne and having the presence of mind to go through various works and picking the most convincing lies is stranger than science fiction.

mbaemeka:

You on the other hand are just picking names and ideas from the sky and shying away from questions that ridicle your beliefs no matter how unscriptural they are.

The lamb that was slain for the atonement didn't it need to die? Stop asking me questions to mock what you don't understand because you haven't studied well. Part of the reason that the lamb of God came on the scene was to THROUGH death defeat the one who had the power over death- the devil. So it was necessary Jesus died.

Jesus was fully human even if he had "no human blood" according to your construction. The blood he had was not smeared by sin because it came from his father. Is that too hard to understand?

Topgainer:
Pastor Mba, What are you saying? Haven't you realized that what Rev Oyakhilome is teaching you has no basis in the scripture. You are seriously re-affirming our belief that Love World had long deviated from the Bible Truths to self-preserving stunts

mbaemeka:

The answer is in his statement and reply. He said MANY will SAY to him and not many who DID will SAY to him. And then his reply is the clincher- I NEVER KNEW YOU. You who worked iniquity A.K.A you sinner.

How can Jesus say he never knew someone who made demands in his name that caused the Holy Spirit to act?

Because that person rebelled against the Will of the Father. Jesus is telling you that no amount of miracles will save you if you are outside Father's will

Learn to think and apply logic.
Doing Father's will= entering kingdom of Heaven.
Not doing Father's will= missing Kingdom of heaven
missing Kingdom of heaven= Those that Jesus never knew

Therefore
Jesus never knowing you= not doing Father's will
So if you are not doing Father's Will, Jesus never knew you.


Do you know you insult the name of Jesus to suggest that sinners could use it to achieve anything? Do you know that a sinner who uses the name of Jesus to wrought a miracle will automatically cease to be a sinner?

That is the gospel according to mbaemeka. That miracles is a measure of righteousness. You will perish with your miracles. Paul was careful not to be a reprobate after saving others

1 Corinthians 9:27 King James Version (KJV)

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


Where do you people pick all these teachings from?

From the Word of God not traditions of heretics

mbaemeka:

Jesus was fully human even if he had "no human blood" according to your construction. The blood he had was not smeared by sin because it came from his father. Is that too hard to understand?

Bidam: Ermm..sorry to barge in @ the last minute, i have been following the trend of arguments here and i must say well done to both contributors, i have learnt quite alot from both parties. But i want to chip in one or two thoughts if you guys will oblige me.
Paul writing by the unction of the Holy Spirit said Christ did redeem us from the curse of the Law( Gal 3:13). The greek word for redeem is not "agorazo" but "exagorazo" which is to purchase or redeem out from or away from.
The word "curse" here is "katara".
But casting our minds back to OT since all scriptures is written for our learning we would find in Deut.28:15-47 every kinds of sickness and diseases included in the curse of the law. So it amazes me when christians stick to an erroneous impression that Christ death and ressurection has no power to free christians from sicknesses and diseases but only to save souls.
And concerning the blood and body of Christ both are efficacious and powerful, that one sacrifice is absolutely pure, so perfect and so powerful that it has enduring strength throughout all eternity( Heb 10:10).
In types and shadows found in OT, we see both the blood and the body of the passover lamb being used by the chidren of Isreal. NONE was discarded. No wonder Paul said in 1 cor 5:7 that Christ our passover lamb is sacrificed for us. Since Christ is our passover lamb, we must conclude: that his blood was shed to save us from the wrath of God and HIS FLESH was broken for OUR PHYSICAL BENEFITS or as Peter puts it in 1 pet 2:24 "by the bruise of whom ye were healed". The healing wasn't spiritual as some theologians are trying to water it down but PHYSICAL from the greek word "iaomai".
So all saints should expect God to heal their sicknesses today because all sickness is the result of satan's work, when he introduce sin into this world, and Christ was manifested to destroy satan's work.

vooks: Sir, there was nothing divine about Jesus blood any more than his body.
The idea that Jesus had a sinful flesh but sinless blood borders on mysticism and is clearly heretical

mbaemeka:

The blood of a baby is gotten from who? From Whom did Jesus get his blood?

What did Peter mean in 1 Peter 1:19 and can you tell us the greek translation for the word Precious as used there? Why do you think Jesus blood was the only one capable of saving the world of men?

Mysticism you said. How risible.

mbaemeka: Vooks,

Your logic flies in the face of God's word.

What is the will of God= that we become Christians (John 6:40)
What is not doing the Father's will= rejecting Christ (remaining unsaved)

Who will say Lord Lord and still enter the kingdom of Heaven? Christians.

Who will say Lord Lord and still not enter the kingdom? Non- Christians.

Who will Jesus deny knowing? Non- Christians.

Can a non-Christian do a miracle in Jesus name? No.

Paul said in Romans 10:13 and Peter said in Acts 2:21 that WHOEVER shall call on that name [in Faith] shall be saved.

But what do we have? We have pseudo-spiritualists telling us that sinners would use the name of Jesus and remain unsaved.

Another question, if you would respond or evade it as usual: Can you show me anywhere that says a Christian went to hell or was castaway? I will wait.

jared007: jared007: 8:11am On Sep 13th ....don't be silly winsomeX the pharisee. The gospel and d church is to convert a sinner and not a holier than thou hypocrate like u. Do not dwell on d past deeds of yooguyz. Do u know if he has repented? Yooguyz my advice is dat u change ur nairaland monicker.

vooks: Adam's blood was equally human sir, where did it come from? THINK!
Think for once, blood is for creatures. What is God who is Spirit doing with blood in heaven?

Leviticus 17:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
The blood is precious but so is the flesh. There is no difference between Christ's body and his blood except in Ernst Angley, Branham, Jack Van Impe, H A Maxwell Whyte and and their minions' minds

vooks: mbaemeka,
MIRACLES are not heaven ticket and if I were you, I would examine myself instead of fighting Jesus very words
There will be thousands of miracle workers in hell
Do Christians sin?

shdemidemi: @Mbaemeka
Is Jesus actually God?
Did His flesh see corruption?
Will your flesh see corruption i.e decay?

mbaemeka:

Jesus is God.
His flesh didn't see corruption it changed before the corruption could set in.
What does my flesh have to do with anything? What if I am here when Jesus appears?

The flesh is already corruptible. I have said all that in the discourse.