TalkSmith:

I, on the other hand hold to the view that the data displayed on the JAMB website does not correlate to the demographics obtained from the NPC. This is rather another proof of how shallow we are, in undertaking well detailed statistical information.

In respect to whether the SW goes to school more than the SE or SS, I am of the view, the SE have an impressive record than the SW. This brings to mind, the literature book, one read earlier in those yester-years: ''Eze Goes to School.''  

If you are looking at a 6yr data that says year over year you are the best. . .hmm, is it true that I am truly proficient or is there something else influencing that data? Without inspecting it you will not know and if indeed there was an external influence, as opposed to true capability of efficiency, then it might be too late at a future time when the truth is revealed and efforts are put in place for recovery, the damage may be far done!

We must ask. . .if JAMB performance is measured in terms of population density, then there is no doubt that we are looking at a quota distribution (of course we know that's what it is - it's a rhetoric!) and as such we end with a scenario in which qualified and brilliant students are pushed aside from university enrollment so that less qualified but represented students are allowed in. This is the way it has been but is it the way it should continue?

ADint:

The data provided by JAMB is probably correct - there is currently more admission from the SE and SS region than the SW in Nigeria.

But looking at a bigger picture this does not mean that there are more SEers or SSers going to University than SW. The SWers have taken the quest for higher education to a different level. There are 10s of thousands of Nigerian undergraduates studing abroad, especially in Europe, and majority of them (just go to any Uni in the UK for example) are of SW origin. The average SW family, given the opportunity, will not spare any expense to send thier kids abroad to get quality education (in some cases even selling landed property or vehicles), this has been happening now for going on 2 decades hence the seemingly lower number of admissions from the SW region within Nigeria.

In the final analysis the SW region will still be the region with the highest number of graduates albeit a sizeable proportion with foreign degrees.

~Sauron~:

I raised this issue and some SE savages nearly took ma head off.

Ibime:

Savages indeed! 

Lets face it- those South Westerners in London are NEVER coming home! They will live and die in Peckham for the next 100 generations. They are no more Nigerian than Sade or Seal. A lot of them are even involved in knife and gun crime nowadays

While there will be an effect of quota distribution on admissions, there will not be ANY effect on applications. The Igbo lead in BOTH cases. Unless the Igbo states are tagged educationally disadvantaged (which they are not) this will have little effect. Explaining this quota might help you get increased accuracy, but will not affect the overall trend of the data. Once again - in this regard, there is no reason to feel that Igbos would be preferentially benefit from the quota system compared to Yorubas, rather it's the opposite:

The 'Quota' you mention, (more aptly 'catchment area allocation') is a factor in University admissions, but primarily for Federal Institutions. State institutions, on the other hand have a larger preference for 'indigenes'.

Now looking at the data, there are a higher number of state universities in the South West - LASU, OSU (OOU), LAUTECH, UNAD, Osun State University amongst others. This is due to two reasons - more states in the SW (meaning more universities) and the perceived 'demand' for tertiary education in the SW. Based on the foregoing, A greater number of places are 'reserved' for SW indigenes (due to catchment area (Fed Unis) and indigene preference (State Unis)) compared to SE, YET the SW has a lower admissions rate.

Negro_Ntns:

Larez,

I didn't know you are still hurting from that encounter.  I hope you find healing.  I followed that link and if I put your claim into perspective then on average you were making over $1m per home contract.  Adding all that together over the years, by now you are a multi-millionaire.  Does it not bother you that someone of your financial worth is coming to NL to scope for value of residential home market in Nigeria?  With clients like Babyface, La Reid, Andre Rison. . .and then you designed homes in Country Club of the South, which is where Whitney and Bobby lived, no house in that community is less than $1m. . .but yet you have not done ground work and networked to find any reputable Nigerian contractor or home designer to partner with, instead you come to NL asking "Wll these homes sell in Nigeria and where?"

In fact with these many beautiful designs and successes you are a ready market and should be sought after.  What happened that you are talking to us here instead of Governor Fashola on his Mega city project?  Why are you not already established in Lekki?  Again, I sincerely doubt your intent, although I do not contend that you may be an architect but one has to wonder why a multi-millionaire home designer is asking NL'ers for guidance on value and market location.  Resolve these questions within yourself before you respond.  

Your Parents obviously did a lousy job of raising you. You are a poster child of the need to promote contraception.

Your Parents obviously did a lousy job of raising you. You are a poster child of the need to promote contraception

debosky:

Didn't you mean 'well detailed collection of statistical information' or 'well detailed statistical investigation'? 

As a TalkSmith, I expect better from you. Don't fret though, the man who invented grammar is here! 

larez:

Your Parents obviously did a lousy job of raising you. You are a poster child of the need to promote contraception.

Negro_Ntns:

Could an applicant score high on their JAMB test and still be denied admission in a Federal Uni?  

How about merit?  Debo, you get my point?  Regardless of background, if a student merits university education, why not do away with the sentiments and begin the reconciliation?  This could be our true march forward to unity.  In fact, this was the reason that the Federal Govt Colleges were established to foster unity by exchanging cultural transfers.  

In these figures SW is behind 6yrs running.  It will continue some more years unless interventions are put in place.  The intervention cannot occur without a root cause find for the problem.  Some of the problems we find could become lessons learnt and adopted into policies that shares with other regions our mistakes in SW and proactively alert them in the direction to steer implementations.  

I did not discuss merit here, Merit is, of course, the first determinant of admission at the majority of institutions. Catchment area, indigene quota and so on are secondary considerations.

I am not sure what you categorise as 'sentiments' here, but let me give some background on this matter.

1) What is the determinant of someone 'meriting' a university education? I think this has to do with setting basic standards, such as 5 credits as SSCE as minimum admission criteria (for Federal Unis anyways). JAMB had a similar system a few years ago, with the 'floor score' of 200 being the minimum to get admitted.

2) In any educational system, University education is not COMPULSORY. As a result, there will always be a limited number of university places and hence competition. Now what level of admission vs candidates can always be debated and set according to national/regional goals and data as applicable. Currently, there is a massive 'shortage' of University places compared to applicants, the reasons for which are beyond the remit of this particular discourse.

3) Universities are set up for different purposes. As you mentioned, some colleges are set up for integration, others on a strictly merit basis, others for religious affiliation. State Universities cannot be compelled to admit purely by merit - they are set up to cater for state needs first and foremost, and as a result will always have an inward bias.

4)We cannot do away with quotas and the like for now, else we will leave behind regions/zones and will have an even more lopsided distribution of candidates/graduates. Whether quotas are the best means for achieving inclusion and widespread education remains up for debate.

Our educational system is definitely not mature enough and that is why we have some of these issues.

The reports of any data showcasing regional performances are at best what they are and no meaningful decisions can be made out of them because they have inherent problems that rest largely on ideological differences best managed from a central bucket.

Negro_Ntns:

So from that central bucket- JAMB - we are running an operation diluted by sentiments and placating the demands of regional interests alongside the need to reward the demonstration of merit performance and Best in Class.  Why then should the statistical report carry weight, except to fuel more sentiments of regional divide; a political, rather than an educational interest? 

ADint:

The data provided by JAMB is probably correct - there is currently more admission from the SE and SS region than the SW in Nigeria.

But looking at a bigger picture this does not mean that there are more SEers or SSers going to University than SW. The SWers have taken the quest for higher education to a different level. There are 10s of thousands of Nigerian undergraduates studing abroad, especially in Europe, and majority of them (just go to any Uni in the UK for example) are of SW origin. The average SW family, given the opportunity, will not spare any expense to send thier kids abroad to get quality education (in some cases even selling landed property or vehicles), this has been happening now for going on 2 decades hence the seemingly lower number of admissions from the SW region within Nigeria.

In the final analysis the SW region will still be the region with the highest number of graduates albeit a sizeable proportion with foreign degrees.

Mowire
:DAfaukwu please don't return to Nigeria. Not to our institutions. We don't need one more corrupter in the 

debosky:

Didn't [/b]you mean 'well detailed collection of statistical information' or 'well detailed statistical investigation'? 

As a TalkSmith, I expect better from you. [b]Don't fret though, the man who invented grammar is here! 
I will never forget that book. I still remember my 'lesson teacher' Mr Afolabi, affectionately known as 'Mr. Afo' reading the book to me.

Quote from: ADint on February 27, 2009, 12:20 PM
The data provided by JAMB is probably correct - there is currently more admission from the SE and SS region than the SW in Nigeria.

But looking at a bigger picture this does not mean that there are more SEers or SSers going to University than SW. The SWers have taken the quest for higher education to a different level. There are 10s of thousands of Nigerian undergraduates studing abroad, especially in Europe, and majority of them (just go to any Uni in the UK for example) are of SW origin. The average SW family, given the opportunity, will not spare any expense to send thier kids abroad to get quality education (in some cases even selling landed property or vehicles), this has been happening now for going on 2 decades hence the seemingly lower number of admissions from the SW region within Nigeria.

In the final analysis the SW region will still be the region with the highest number of graduates albeit a sizeable proportion with foreign degrees.

toksdam:

@ poster,this is a very strong thesis,i like to know your source,you didnt say much about your references,i have a bit of some reservations,you should publish this in an academic journal for the right people to see.your use of the graph and chart is apt i must say.if you dont mind i like an abrigded copy.toksdam@yahoo.com

toksdam:

from my recent observation after going through the facts in this publication,is this; the statistics may be correct, note; maybe correct,also the poster needs to do a little more research especially into the level of drop out from the SE, not every body that starts a race finishes it. go back and check the level of drop out from each zones as you have done with the entry data or better still let's have the data on the statistics of graduation as against entry into school. you will have to go beyond Jamb to get it,as jamb only knows those who are entring,am really interested in ur findings, @ poster nice job.i want the drop out statistics,take itas a challange.are in the academia or you are apolitician ? shallom.

Dede1:

I say an arrant nonsense to this baseless assertion. Is there any reason for someone with an average organized social order to let go an unsubstantiated statement in a public domain? In UK, USA and Canada, majority of intellectual gatherings that I have attended with mainly Nigerians as invitees have proportionately placed Ndigbo on the above average.

I am not here to argue on the behalf of Ndigbo but the group’s academic records speak loudly. For the sake of this discourse, let us assume for a moment that south-western zone of Nigeria trumps south-eastern zone on academics, I request that we approach very wisely the question posed by Mr. Walter Mandel, the USA presidential candidate of Democratic Party, “where is the beef”?

Statistics after statistics, data after data, in most cases first in every thing, the flow of inventive genius and pure academic achievements have managed to trace their ways to south-eastern zone of Nigeria or Ndigbo in general.

Baseless in your opinion does not change the reality on ground. I am not here to argue for or promote any particular region, but the above assertion I have made is the status quo like it or not! When it comes to trade/commerce one would readily give it to the easterners likewise politicking to the northerners, westerners value educational accomplishment above anything else and would go to any lenght to achieve this even if it means studing in Ghana, SA or wherever - same way the easterners are prepared to ply their trade in any corner of the globe.

What is nonsensical is your inability to be objective.