ask him ooooooo,as pastor t.

Poster
easy.

1.Jesus was moving about with his disciples. On one ocassion, some children rushed to touch him, and the disciples prevented them. And Jesus said, let those Children come to me for the kingdom of heaven is for people like them. What does that tell you? His disciples did the owrk of body guard in a way.
2. Why are they afraid of death? Why should they not be? are they not human? they are not Jesus who came to die for mankind.
Even Jesus in one ocassion when the sadducesand pharisees wanted to through him down the cliff, he disappeared from within them.The bible said he walked through them.
Some time he was hiding from the pharisees though he later went out.

He was doing these because it was not yet time for him to die.
What will the death of the pastors benefit you? They are better alive than dead until they have fulfilled their ministries just like Jesus did and he left.
Where in the bible did you read? you were prolly reading the bible for your religious knowledge exam. lol

did you say ministtries?is only the pentecostal pastors that have ministries?what about the catholic?why are their Rev.fathers dont move about with body guards.For your information Jesus was always in th mix of people.

segyemaro:

did you say ministtries?is only the pentecostal pastors that have ministries?what about the catholic?why are their Rev.fathers dont move about with body guards.For your information Jesus was always in th mix of people.

Hahaha, I am a catholic bro easy once again.
He was always in the midst of people but surrounded by his disciples. I hope you read my post.

Yes I said their ministries. How many of the catholic priest even care much about their ministries? Who told you they do not accumulate or steal from the church offerings? Why should a rev father build a three story building in his compound? who gave him the money to buy the latest cars which he only sends home and not even use in the parish?

Having said that, you may want to know that some of these pastors just became a victim of  having no one to control them. It takes a lot of humility to manage autonomy. That does not mean they are not genuine. the problem is that, there is no one to correct them as they are the GOs. The church members see whatever they do as a statute from God.
They feel they had arrived and relax then some immaterial stuff get hold of them.

They have ministries. they still reach out to people not minding some element of greed that abound in some of them.

No one is free. Remember they are humans.
About the rev fathers, do not even go there because they are forced to live a lowly life because of the structure of the church. Apart from that, only god knows what would become of them.

agaba you made some point there,well i dont know about the catholic cos i am a pentecostal,but i was made to understand that even cardinal Olubunmi Okogie does not move about in convoy let alone body guards.

Well when cardinal arinze came to Nigeria for a lecture, he had 2 or 3 police vehicles in his convoy. I can't remember the number of other vehicles that was with him.

Okojie may be different but the catholic church has laws which no individual can change singlehandedly or flout openly. It may be by choice though.

my brother cardinal arinze is like 2nd or 3rd to the pope,so he must be protected.

haha
Yes pope is for catholic Church what those GOs atre for their denominations. What is good for the goose is still good for the ganda. And you said Arinze is second to the pope not even the pope . . .lol

my brother,there is a big difference between them ok?

why are they going about in with body guards anyway?cos as for me i dont use any body guard,because only God can guard me.

why are they going about in with body guards anyway?cos as for me i dont use any body guard,because only God can guard me.

its clear u are a broke pastor

you called me a broke pastor bicos i dont go about nwith body guards?what if their ways are not right with God and they die,are they going to be guarded by body guards when they are burning in Hell?pls open your eyes all of those things are all VANITY.

are they going to be guarded by body guards when they are burning in Hell

are u the one going to send them to hell

i just said that if their ways is not right with God ok!

@poster
the only reasonn why you have not seen it is because you re a slowpoke and you ve not properly engaged you brain and mind. why did moses had Joshua and Hur? why did David had 400 men with him, even a priest ask him why he came to see him alone and there were no men with him. why did Elijah had Elisha? or Elisha with Gehazi? why did Jesus had the twelve ? pls don't spill your foolishness in the public again.

People like Pastor Adeboye, Kumuyi etc should be walking around alone without escort? how foolish you could be? some of these people I mentioned led congregation of 10millions and yet they should not have bodyguard, even your local govt chairman has body guard, maybe you think your president deserve more honour than a pastor. it really amazed me, unfortunately this is a free online forum, you couldn't really know whom you re talking with, am sure some of you re under age and are still writing your SSCE or Jamb,

@agaba123
help me ask them when Jesus was about to be arrested why did some disciples drew their sword and even Peter cut off one of the arresters ear, Jesus even mentioned it before Pilate that His disciples would have prevented His arrest if Hos kingdomwere to be of this world.

the fact the poster posted a topic like this confirm that he knows nothing about the bible , yet he claimed to have read the bible from Genesis to Revelation.

@ segymaro
so pope did not have bodyguard? Olubunmi Okogie didn't have bodyguard? I pity your poor brain.

Pastors use Body Guards because they realise that we know now that they are Scammers.

Segzyjoe,u are too naive and rude in your submission,pls lets do this at least with some little respect.

I heard some popular Pastor (Oyedepo's) bodyguard dcarry arms and fire into the air to disperse crowd

I believe there is a difference between escorts/ushers and body guards. A pastor is free to have people escort him to aid him in his activities, but he shouldn't have bodyguards which are primarily for protective purposes. A bodyguard is likely to exhibit violence in carrying out his responsibilities, and act of violence shouldn't be associated with a religious leader.

Pastors should not be compared to Jesus Christ, but rather to apostles. Even so, the primary responsibility of the disciples was not to protect Jesus Christ, and it is not written where Jesus sought to be protected by his disciples.  The fact that the disciples were willing to protect Jesus from capture through the use of force, does not mean he approved of it. In fact peter was admonished, and the ear of the soldier healed.

David did not have 400 men with him because he was a prophet but rather they were his fellow outlaws. Joshua's was Moses's aide, as was Elisha to Elijah, and Gehazi to Elisha.

One can argue that people need body guards by the nature of the society, but I have not seen a biblical justification for it.

Biina,you have spoken well

They dont believe in the power of God in them.

There is every need for Nigerian pastors to have body guards. No body in his right sense that know he obtains his wealth by trick, obscenely flaunts such affluence will deny himself the services of body guards.

Dats correct

Youngies,u ve hit the nail on the head.

yea ,they need bodyguards to protect the ill gotten wealth.

they really need body gaurds to protect them from people like madje

well, using body guards is a matter of choice.  Also, that pastor kumuyi uses it does not make it right or wrong but one thing you should know is that in the said crusade,  the crowd was too much, he is old now and a celebrity too, so a lot of people want to touch him. If it is allowed they could surfocate the man and you know what that means. That they are pastors does not they are no longer human. I have attended his crusades so I know what I'm  talking about. If he is your father i'm sure you would't want to see him hurt pastor or no pastor. You should know that he means a lot to so many people both home and abroad; even if not to you. Therefore, I think, in his case he is justified.
  As for the other ministers I am not in the right position to jugde them. At the right time they will all give account of their stewardship, which includes what they did with the church money.

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chichijoy:

well, using body guards is a matter of choice. Also, that pastor kumuyi uses it does not make it right or wrong but one thing you should know is that in the said crusade, the crowd was too much, he is old now and a celebrity too, so a lot of people want to touch him. If it is allowed they could surfocate the man and you know what that means. That they are pastors does not they are no longer human. I have attended his crusades so I know what I'm talking about. If he is your father i'm sure you would't want to see him hurt pastor or no pastor. You should know that he means a lot to so many people both home and abroad; even if not to you. Therefore, I think, in his case he is justified.
As for the other ministers I am not in the right position to jugde them. At the right time they will all give account of their stewardship, which includes what they did with the church money.

biopat, you are entitled to your opinion. It only shows your level of quantitative reasoning. However, the wise thing to do in any situation of life is to always consider 'safety'. I live in one of the western worlds and in all my years here; i've never seen anything or job you do without taking one training or the other on safety cos you have to stay alife to do that job. same goes to pastors/ministers. and i will advice you to stop pointing accusing fingers on others cos when you point one finger; four is pointing at you and how are you sure you will not do worse things if you find yourself in that position tomorrow?. Remember there is a different between pastoring a congregation of hundreds and pastoring that of hundreds of thousands . If you have never worn that shoe, you may never know where it pinches.