^^^
Both Pastor JoAgbaje and Azibalua are displaying GROSS ignorance of both context and meaning,

All of Jesus Christ's Disciples with the exception of John were martyred as a direct result of persecution so you see why Jesus Christ asked them to procure swords for their own defense after he made the ULTIMATE sacrifice to free us from bondage.

Joagbaje:

The thread is not about oyakhilome. It is a general thing. For The men you mentioned . You're not in their house and you don't follow them to functions for you to know the security work. If Okogie should come to make address in Abuja stadium.you can't tell me there won't be security in place.

That apart. Any minister of God that is Involved with casting out devils on a large scale and healing the sick, will have Satan coming after him I. Different ways .they get security information and take preventitive measures.when Paul had security information he took measures by being smuggled out in a basket or police escort but when he didn't have security information , was stoned and left for dead. Other times he was attacked by robbers . Security is common sense

Pastor JoAgbaje, I can't say I am surprised by your acrobatics, what you are in effect saying is that any "MOG" that's not "involved in casting out devils on a large scale and healing the sick, " don't need to have security. Same argument you guys make to justify private jets because your "MOGs" have to preach the word and be at many places at once. Do you guys think you're talking to Elementary school children or have been made one by your "MOG"?

We need to keep you and others like you in our prayers!

There is no point trying to reason with Mr Jo - he is a fraud and he will resort to lies to justify his fraudulent ways.
He is the one after all who claims to have raised someone from the dead - but yet he seems to spend most of his time on the internet - shouldnt someone with his powers be in high demand around the country ? 

Raising a dead person ?? Even his master in crime Oyaks cannot claim to have raised a dead body - yet this half wit Jo says he can.

Have you noticed it is only in Africa that these fools make these outlandish claims ? If they tried it in a country where proper records are kept they would be found out immediately. Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and co have been ministering (lying/stealing and cheating) for years but they know better than to claim they can raise the dead - their prominence will immediately draw unwanted attention.

Prosperity charlatans can raise dead poeple but cannot restore lost limbs  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-654226.0.html] https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-654226.0.html

Anyone who is ready to open his mind and do some research on google will easily discover all these prosperity charlatans (in Nigeria and abroad) are frauds.

Azibalua:



Luke 22:35-51
35 Then Jesus asked them,"When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you were without money, duffle bag, or
extra clothing, how did you get along?""Fine,"they replied.
36"But now,"he said,"take a duffle bag if you have one and your money. And if you don't have a sword, better sell your
clothes and buy one! 37 For the time has come for this prophecy about me to come true:` He will be condemned as a
criminal!'Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true."

Anticipating evil or so you would say, at this time he asked them to procure swords

38"Master,"they replied,"we have two swords among us.""Enough!"he said.
39 Then, accompanied by the disciples, he left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives. 40 There he
told them,"Pray God that you will not be overcome by temptation."
41- He walked away, perhaps a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed this prayer:"Father, if you are willing, please
take away this cup of horror from me. But I want your will, not mine."43 Then an angel from heaven appeared and
strengthened him,
44 for he was in such agony of spirit that he broke into a sweat of blood, with great drops falling to the ground as he prayed more and more earnestly. 45 At last he stood up again and returned to the disciples-- only to find them asleep, exhausted from grief. 46"Asleep!"he said."Get up! Pray God that you will not fall when you are tempted.

47 But even as he said this, a mob approached, led by Judas, one of his twelve disciples. Judas walked over to Jesus and
kissed him on the cheek in friendly greeting. 48 But Jesus said,"Judas, how can you do this-- betray the Messiah with a kiss?"
49 When the other disciples saw what was about to happen, they exclaimed,"Master, shall we fight? We brought along
the swords!"



Interesting they could remind him of the real function of the sword he asked them to buy
Why do you think he ask them to buy swords,was it to make them function in their culture more? Definitely not

50 And one of them slashed at the high priest's servant and cut off his right ear.
51 But Jesus said,"Don't resist anymore."And he touched the place where the man's ear had been and restored it.


At this point it was time to be taken and he had been strengthened and so there was no point resisting the arrest, but at the time he knew it was not yet his time to be taken, he figured out a way of escape.

More proof that cec have zombies for congregation. No evidence to show you made any serious attempt to process the bible verses you quoting here. Maybe it because you believe Jo is always right.

EarsWide:



Anyone who is ready to open his mind and do some research on google will easily discover all these prosperity charlatans (in Nigeria and abroad) are frauds.

Open my mind to google- your pillar of truth.  

@Joe
Pls ignore the above (three) dumb posts.

@Donnie

I said

Anyone who is ready to open his mind and do some research on google will easily discover all these prosperity charlatans (in Nigeria and abroad) are frauds.

What part of research dont you understand ?

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.


2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


The above is for those who walk in the light.

Google is for the self-acclaimed '419 MOG exposers'

@Ogajim,earswide and zikky

Kindly note that joagbaje and azibaula are one and the same person. I have caught him before using azibaula I.D just like I caught him using the Akhozem one. If you study the language construct and terminologies of the two I.Ds you would realize it's one and the same person.

@KunleOshob

Thanks

Yep, I have been hinting for some time that Joagbaje and Azibalua are one and the same. I'm sure it will be proved one day.

KunleOshob:

@Ogajim,earswide and zikky
Kindly note that joagbaje and azibaula are one and the same person. I have caught him before using azibaula I.D just like I caught him using the Akhozem one. If you study the language construct and terminologies of the two I.Ds you would realize it's one and the same person.

This is mere child's talk, rather than derail this thread, if you have nothing to say, then just watch and say no more

And he said to them, But now, he who has a money-bag, or a bag for food, let him take it: and he who has not, let him give his coat for money and get a sword.
luke 22:36

I noticed that it was THE ALMIGHTY JESUS who told the disciples to procure arms and not the disciples suggesting it to Him. Why did he tell them to sell all they have to get arms, why didn't he tell them " go and when you face any danger, call on the angels to save you".
This instruction by Jesus was for their future life. They were going into the midst of dangers. The country was infested with robbers and wild beasts. It was customary to go armed. He tells them of those dangers-of the necessity of being prepared in the usual way to meet them. This was an intimation that great dangers were before them; that their manner of life would be changed, and that they would need the provisions appropriate to that kind of life.

A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety.

lol

The bible is the most abused book in history. Even a mad man can justify his madness in the bible. All he has to do is get some brainless people (God, they are so much on this thread), and give them his own meaning. And these zombies would digest it.

@Ogajim,earswide and zikky

How do you think those suicide bombers kill themselves, someone has quoted the quran to them and assured them they would go to heaven. the mind can be very gullible. So i'm not surprised here, ppl condoning frauds and using the bible to justify themselves. not a new thing. This same bible was used as a justification to enslave our forefathers.

@ donnie

google is the most used site in the world, and it is a very valid source for research, so pls ignore your bigotry and expose yourself to the realities of the world

Thank you Kunle for another expose on Pastor JoAgbaje, they're such a minority that he has to use multiple IDs to make it seem like there are other SANE Christians who support his scam. If a man can claim to raise the "dead" as indicated by dare2think and yet be scared of some hoodlum with or without any weapons, such "powers" ought to be investigated.

dare2think:



A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety.

lol

The bible is the most abused book in history. Even a mad man can justify his madness in the bible. All he has to do is get some brainless people (God, they are so much on this thread), and give them his own meaning. And these zombies would digest it.

@Ogajim,earswide and zikky

How do you think those suicide bombers kill themselves, someone has quoted the quran to them and assured them they would go to heaven. the mind can be very gullible. So i'm not surprised here, ppl condoning frauds and using the bible to justify themselves. not a new thing. This same bible was used as a justification to enslave our forefathers.

@ donnie

google is the most used site in the world, and it is a very valid source for research, so pls ignore your bigotry and expose yourself to the realities of the world

I thought it was because of the 72 virgins, this one pass person sha!

Joagbaje = Azibabe?

But Jo, what you told me is that Azibabe is Goodluck Jonathan's cousin!

Na wa for Pastor Jo O

Anyway, I thank God truth is showing more & more daily

As I said several times, when you guys get stuck, you come after jo. I'm not azibalua. Don't derail the thread.let's discuss topic. It's so funny that Kunle oshob who has degree in multiple ids is talking,

Joagbaje:

As I said several times, when you guys get stuck, you come after jo. I'm not azibalua. Don't derail the thread.let's discuss topic.

Pls do not generalise. I'm not stuck.

Can I ask you a question?
pls, how come A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety?

If you intend to respond with bible quotations, I must inform you that you refrain from abusing the text of the bible to justify your argument as this has been done by, Fraudsters,slave owners, racist, and the catholics in the medeival times. So pls come back with something better because i wont fall for the ability to pick words from the bible.
Thanks.

dare2think:

Pls do not generalise. I'm not stuck.

Can I ask you a question?
pls, how come A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety?

The thread is about MOGS generally and not about any particular one . So we can't give a blanket answer. All MOGs don't function by the same gift , they all don't function at the same level of faith. Not all MOGs heal the sick. I just want you to note that, but I will answer your question in my next post

dare2think:

Can I ask you a question?
pls, how come A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety?

The anointing upon a minister is for others. He is anointed to minister to others. The anointing is not for himself. There are different kinds of anointings. There is a general anointing for christian life. There is another anointing for ministry, and ministry is about people ,how to help them. A man can not live by this anointing because it's not for himself. It takes his own personal faith to deal with issues in his own life. That's why it is possible for a man to heal the blind eyes and yet he himself is using eyeglass ! . I have seen a minister collected eyeglasses from others and broke them and they got instant healing but he is still using eye glass!. Why , it was the anointing that healed the people . That anointing can't heal him. It takes His own faith has to get healed. Elisha was heavily anointed . He raised the dead,yet with the anointing in him ,he died of sickness. Even after death,a dead man that was thrown into his grave came alive on contact with Elisha bones. Power was still in his bones! Yet he couldn't heal himself . He died sick.

But security matter is just common sense. Your healing anointing won't protect you. Your faith will protect you. But you still take measures. I'm sure Jesus will lock his room door at night. We saw him ran to escape a mob. when he heard Herod was after him,He refused to walk in the Jewry. Was he not a healer and a dead raiser?  We don't walk in the spirit 24/7.  Why did Jesus run?

Seriously though - what manner of society are we in? It has become so commonplace for a "pastor" to be crooked that sensibilities are not really offended when such is accused of the manner of things we take as normal with Joagbaje.

Crazy world.

Joagbaje:
. . . I'm sure Jesus will lock his room door at night. We saw him ran to escape a mob. when he heard Herod was after him,He refused to walk in the Jewry. Was he not a healer and a dead raiser?  We don't walk in the spirit 24/7.  Why did Jesus run?

Kindly tell us the chapter and verse for the bolded in red, if you please.

You used to sound reponsible before. Stop being petty.

Just quote the chapter and verse so that everyone can see for themselves---- very simple requirement.

Petty?  

How does the question or requesting party sound petty, for Christ's sake?

You made a statement that he quoted directly.

Are you saying your statement was wrong or that no-one can ask your help in finding what we can't find in the Bible?

Enigma:

Just quote the chapter and verse so that everyone can see for themselves---- very simple requirement.

I will do your bidding. After you have answered my questions which you have been dodging. Give me a scripture or the link to the facts that the disciples of Jesus carry sword as custom for fishermen.

nuclearboy:

Petty?  

How does the question or requesting party sound petty, for Christ's sake?

You made a statement that he quoted directly.

Are you saying your statement was wrong or that no-one can ask your help in finding what we can't find in the Bible?

I sent you a mail

^ ok, not checked that box for awhile but will do so now. but you are not fair here - me & GreyBeard spoke of the cultural link so why is it Enigma you ask to provide a link?

Joagbaje:

I will do your bidding. After you have answered my questions which you have been dodging. Give me a scripture or the link to the facts that the disciples of Jesus carry sword as custom for fishermen.

You and I did not discuss the question of whether disciples carried knives swords etc for reasons of custom, mate; in any event whether they carried swords as custom or not, as people have told you and as even a Sunday school child will tell you a whole "pastor", Jesus called his disciples to be disciples and fishers of men not to be mai guard.

So do please post chapter and verse from the Bible where Jesus ran away to escape. If you are not able to post it, you will have to endure being called a liar.

Edit: cross post with Nuke

^^

But Joagbaje:

This is simply reprehensible - what level of cunning and manipulation are you people not willing to go to?

How many Bible versions do you frigging have and how dare you start searching them all till you find words that can be twisted into whatever you feel like saying?

@Enigma:

BTW, how is Enigmalet? I hope you haven't forgotten he is promised to mine? Is Enigmatrax (hope you remember where its at) still kicking? You may wish to look at her.

I quoted king James translation  and message translation for the second .

There is no cause for enugma hammer. I didn't write the bible. You guys should check your theology well before attacking ministers. God didn't see it embarrassing to put there so , I only quoted what is in the bible. Leave ministers alone they are doing the works of Jesus . I will continue to give the examples of Jesus to clear issues like this. It is not insult to him. We are one with him.

why are you changing translations? why would you read ONE translation for one quote then another for a second quote? Do you think we are babies or your cec members who only listen without checking?

nuclearboy:

why are you changing translations? why would you read ONE translation for one quote then another for a second quote? Do you think we are babies or your cec members who only listen without checking?

I'm I limited to a translation? Okay for your sake .I leave only kjv

John 10:39. (kjv)
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,